Re-entry points for Chinese space station include well-populated areas in California, New York

It would be just my luck if it hit my house right after I get a new roof.

Via The Washington Times

In this picture picture released by Fraunhofer Institute FHR, the shape of China's falling space station Tiangong-1 can be seen in this radar image from the Fraunhofer Institute for High Frequency Physics and Radar Techniques near Bonn, Germany. In the next few days, the unoccupied Chinese space station, Tiangong-1, is expected to reenter the atmosphere following the end of its operational life. Most of the craft should burn up. . (Fraunhofer Institute FHR via AP)In this picture picture released by Fraunhofer Institute FHR, the shape of China’s falling space station Tiangong-1 can be seen in this radar image from the Fraunhofer Institute for High Frequency Physics and Radar Techniques near Bonn, Germany. In the next few days, the unoccupied Chinese space station, Tiangong-1, is expected to reenter the atmosphere following the end of its operational life. Most of the craft should burn up. . (Fraunhofer Institute FHR via AP)

Just in time for Easter: A defunct, 9-ton Chinese space station the size of a city bus is expected to return to Earth — hard — in flaming chunks of metallic debris around Sunday, aerospace scientists say.

But exactly when and where Tiangong-1 (Chinese for “heavenly palace”) will hit is anybody’s guess.

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Still, the chances of anyone being hit by a hunk of Tiangong are about 1 in 1,000,000,000,000, according to The Aerospace Corp., a California-based research group that monitors all goings-on above Earth via its Center for Orbital and Reentry Debris Studies.

Aerospace has predicted that the spacecraft will burn up as it re-enters the atmosphere “around April 1st, 2018 07:15 UTC plus or minus 20 hours.” Its researchers have identified a band of “probable” re-entry points around the planet that include well-populated areas in California, Oregon, the Midwest, New York and New England.

That band of re-entry points — between 42.7 degrees of latitude north and 42.7 degrees south — also includes China, Africa, southern Europe, Australia and South America. Canada, northern Europe and Russia are safely out of range.

“The overall risk to an individual from re-entering debris is extremely small compared to the other hazards we face. It is estimated to be less than a 1 in 1 trillion chance that a particular person will be injured by falling space debris. By comparison, the risk of being hit by lightning is 1 in 1.4 million, and the risk that someone in the U.S. will be killed in a hurricane is about 1 in six million,” the aerospace authority said in a public advisory.

Meanwhile, the falling space station has become a media star, inspiring dozens of stories from news organizations worldwide — and lots of dramatic prose. Tiangong has been called a “runaway” and a “rogue” that is set to “plummet,” “plunge” and otherwise “crash” its way home in “fiery glory.”

A fitting end for its honorable history, perhaps. China launched the 34-foot-long spacecraft in 2011 as a prototype and a platform for larger products such as the Tiangong-2, which was launched in 2016, and a future permanent space station. For a brief time, Tiangong-1 supported two successful missions that included China’s first female astronauts. Its last crew departed in 2013.

In 2016, supervising engineers lost their telemetry link with Tiangong-1 and informed the United Nations that the craft had “ceased functioning” and eventually would return to the planet on its own terms. Over time, the space station has fallen from its original orbit of 216 miles above Earth to 131 miles this week, traveling at 17,224 mph.

But now comes a warning. Though the odds are slim that Tiangong-1 — or what’s left of it — will land in someone’s backyard, there are genuine hazards to note.

“If by some truly cosmic coincidence you do find a piece of Tiangong-1 in your neighborhood — or if some debris washes up on a shore near you — here’s some advice on your best course of action: Don’t touch it,” said Brandon Specktor, senior writer for LiveScience.com.

“There are two reasons why you should not approach and touch a piece of space debris. The first is it is a health risk,” space historian Robert Z. Pearlman told Live Science, specifically citing hazardous, corrosive and noxious materials from fuel tanks, and the inevitable sharp edges.

And reason No. 2? Space debris souvenirs are essentially illegal.

“According to the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, a country’s spacecraft is their legal property until they say that it’s not their legal property. No matter where it lands — whether it lands in the ocean and sinks to the bottom of the sea, or whether it lands on their own land or some other country’s land — it belongs to that country of origin,” Mr. Pearlman said.

In the meantime, the Inter-Agency Space Debris Coordination Committee — made up of specialists from 13 space agencies including NASA, the European Space Agency and the China National Space Administration — are trying to narrow down the elusive timing and re-entry point, calibrating the estimates according to the Earth’s rotation and other factors.

“Participants will pool their predictions of the time window, as well as their respective tracking data sets obtained from radar and other sources. The aim is to cross-verify, cross-analyze and improve the prediction accuracy for all members,” the interagency panel said in a public advisory.

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Bob P
Bob P
April 1, 2018 8:46 am

Oh, please land on CIA headquarters.

Big Dick
Big Dick
  Bob P
April 1, 2018 10:09 am

I would rather it hit LA and cause a major earthquake that cracks the entire state off into the deep ocean.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Bob P
April 1, 2018 10:10 am

I’d vote for the new NSA digs in UTAH where they store ALL personal info.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
April 1, 2018 8:59 am

Can you even imagine how stupid these “engineers” must be. They know the orbit. They know the speed. They know the drag. What else would they need to predict the orbital decay?

Hand them all a trophy and send them to McDonalds where their skills can have an impact.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Hollywood Rob
April 1, 2018 10:12 am

But certain ‘scientists’ can predict 100 or 500 years into the future for the effects of the CO2 Magic Molecule.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Hollywood Rob
April 1, 2018 10:23 am

Two days ago it was projected to hit Michigan, today it’s going to land in the Pacific. Like you said they have a fix on orbit, speed, size of the planet, rotation, etc, but they can’t figure out where it’s coming down to within half a planet? Yet they supposedly got it up there precisely where they wanted it to be in all of it’s many shapes and configurations.

Sure, whatever.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 7:42 pm

If the telemetry from the real time website I posted is accurate, it isn’t falling at a uniform rate. At the moment it is actually rising, perhaps because it is tumbling. Obviously such unpredictable behavior makes it pretty hard to postulate any specific time or place.

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
  Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 8:53 pm

Every piece that breaks off reduces it’s cross-section, changing the drag coefficient. Predicting when any given piece breaks off requires more data than available, since there’s no telemetry left working to give you weights, stresses, strains, etc. – how do you predict without real data? Also, there’s no way to know if a given item was manufactured to specs (think fastening bolts; what if one was undertightened / worked loose / made of off-spec materials / weakened from use?) or not, so predicting if X part will break off now, tomorrow or make it to ground is impossible.
Upper-atmosphere aerodynamics (given that it was not made to be flyable) are always tough to guess – it might hit anywhere under the orbit.

steve
steve
April 1, 2018 9:01 am

Hey Jim,
“When life gives you lemons, make lemonade”. I’d say have some marshmallows and long skinny sticks on hand, just in case, ya know.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 9:32 am

You guys should schpoogle the images for this thing. There are quite literally no two alike. Most of them aren’t titled as ‘artist’s rendition’, they seem to be actual images taken in space, but the size, the arrangement of the solar panels, the shape, the equipment all have numerous configurations.

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 9:35 am

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gilberts
gilberts
  hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 11:20 am

I’m no space expert, but that first one says SOYUZ in cyrillic on the side and looks like an old jiffypop popcorn packet, so I can safely discount that one. I can’t find any real pics of it online. All I see are artists’ conceptions of flying water bottles and pics of Chicom dildos.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
April 1, 2018 9:47 am

Those who are lucky enough to see the re-entry will witness a fabulous show. I sense the breakup will be spectacular.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 1, 2018 10:21 am

No one will be hit by it.

DurangoDan
DurangoDan
April 1, 2018 11:02 am

When it comes to space news every day is April 1.

gilberts
gilberts
April 1, 2018 11:30 am

BREAKING NEWS!
THIS JUST IN- CHINESE ILLEGAL ALIEN CAUGHT ATTEMPTING TO ENTER US!

An illegal alien, originating from China, was caught attempting to enter the US Sunday. This particular undocumented immigrant was unique, in that his approach to avoiding US Border Patrol Agents was to enter from high altitude, from space in fact. Coupled with this week’s fascinating reports of a self-trained astronaut’s attempt to launch a steam-powered rocket, could space be a new, largely unguarded “final frontier” in illegal immigration?

gilberts
gilberts
  gilberts
April 1, 2018 11:34 am

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Other nations are believed to already be working on this technology…

Annie
Annie
April 1, 2018 11:32 am

They don’t know exactly where, but they do know that it won’t go past 42.7 latitude? Right. At least HSF and I are guaranteed safe, I’m at 42.9 and HSF is north of me! LOL

KaD
KaD
April 1, 2018 11:53 am

According to Hopi prophesy, the last sign before the end time (great destruction and purification):
You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 1, 2018 12:00 pm

Just great. One more thing to add to my bug out bag. Satellite repellent.

cowanderer
cowanderer
April 1, 2018 12:02 pm

If you want to know when and where, here’s 2 good tracking websites:
http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=37820
http://www.aerospace.org/CORDSuploads/TiangongStoryboard.png
The second is a static page which can be manually refreshed every 2 minutes or so. Seriously, the variables on this thing are the rate of tumble and the sun’s output which makes the upper atmosphere more or less dense depending on the solar flux. We can measure solar flux (using satellites at the leading and trailing Lagrange points), we have nothing measuring the current density of the upper atmosphere, so guessing is as good as we can do.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 2:22 pm

This thing weighs 8.5 tons. Skylab weighed 77 tons. Oh wait…according to HSF, it never happened. Nevermind.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 5:33 pm

Anything is possible. Not everything is probable.

Liars sometimes tell the truth, but honest people don’t lie.

You want to believe it, you believe it, no skin off my nose.

card802
card802
April 1, 2018 6:24 pm

If the sky’s clear along Lake Michigan I’ll be out there with the camera running.
23 degrees and a cold wind off the lake, fun times. I’ll wait from 8:30 until maybe 10:30 then I know I’ll be too cold to stay any longer.

As far as why no one can really predict, From Space.com:

“We know that Tiangong-1 is tumbling, or at least it was when Germany took [a] radar update, so the question is it still tumbling, and is the tumbling getting faster or slower,” Andrew Abraham, a senior member of Aerospace’s technical staff, told Space.com in an interview at 7 p.m. EDT Saturday (March 31) when the group released its latest forecast. He noted that the time of re-entry keeps getting pushed into the future, so the window of uncertainty remains large. As the re-entry time approaches, the range of re-entry times will narrow.”

“The latest forecast from Aerospace Corp. pegged the space station crash at 8:30 p.m. EDT tonight (0030 GMT Monday, April 2), give or take 1.7 hours. But the time of the re-entry – along with the geographic area – is still highly volatile as Tiangong-1 continues its descent.”

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Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  card802
April 1, 2018 7:37 pm

Go to bed. That thing isn’t going to come within 6,000 miles of Michigan. It must be tumbling because since I started watching it on real time, it fell almost 10 km but has now risen 1 km. Right now it looks like it will re-enter the atmosphere somewhere around Argentina in an hour or two. It has 35 km to go…

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 7:18 pm

It’s falling fast now. It has maybe an hour left. It looks like it will burn up over the Pacific or perhaps over China. Oh the irony.

http://www.heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx

Edit. I watched it for about 15 minutes and it fell from 145 to 135 km. Over the past 15 minutes it has risen from 135 to 140 km. I don’t know what the fuck is up with that, but I have no idea what’s going on now. Re-entry occurs around 100 km so if it resumes the former rate of decent, it will be over within an hour but if not who knows… Is it possible the Chinks still have some control and are maneuvering it to burn over someone’s real estate?

Edit #2, 6:53 Central Time. It has resumed it’s former rate of descent. Interesting that it rose just as it passed over China. Now 139 km, just passing Japan.

card802
card802
  Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 7:53 pm

It has to rise to make it one last circuit, it’s probably full of zombie spores that have to be deployed over the western US and spread east with the prevailing winds.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  card802
April 1, 2018 8:03 pm

7:02 PM, Central time, now 137 km. If this continues it should re-enter over East Africa or the Indian Ocean but it could still occur over China.

7:07 PM , NM. It’s rising again. Up to 137.8 km

card802
card802
  Zarathustra
April 1, 2018 8:16 pm

Space.com has it rising pretty fast, back up to 149km

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 8:31 pm

So, just to re-state the original premise. The Chinese satellite is due to re-enter Earth’s atmosphere because GRAVITY!

Then at 7pm or so it begins to climb higher in Earth’s orbit because TUMBLING!

However in space there is no drag so, CONTRADICTION! With all of our supercomputers we haven’t got the scientific or mathematical capacity to track a falling object at a known speed, size, weight, angle, rate of descent, etc.

And people think we went to the Moon fifty years ago.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 8:45 pm

7:43 PM, It has now completed one orbit from where I first viewed it almost an hour and a half ago. It was then at 145 km. During the last orbit it descended to 135 km, rose back nearly to 145 km again and is currently at 137. 4 km and falling.

Edit. 7:58 PM. It fell to 134.0 km and has now started to rise. currently 134.3 km (according to wiki it’s operational orbit height varied from 350 to 390 km).

card802
card802
  hardscrabble farmer
April 1, 2018 8:59 pm

Maybe it’s skipping like a stone?

DNH in CO
DNH in CO
April 1, 2018 8:50 pm

As Cowanderer pointed out earlier, here is a good website that shows its location real-time and the expected path.

http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=37820&sid=31#TOP

As of now it is headed over Africa.

FXE
FXE
April 1, 2018 9:22 pm

It will come down when the altitude hits the 100km mark. It’s those solar panels that kicks it up to a higher elevation every time it encounters the somewhat denser atmosphere at the lower altitudes. This could go on for a long time and many more orbits than predicted.

card802
card802
April 1, 2018 9:45 pm

It came down in the south pacific, near Easter Island, fittingly enough.

No zombies I guess.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  card802
April 1, 2018 10:24 pm

not according to this site: http://www.heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx maybe that site isn’t real time after all.

Wild Bob
Wild Bob
April 1, 2018 11:14 pm

One in a trillion? So you’re saying there’s a chance!