In Search of Intelligent Latin Policy: To Sleep, Perchance to Dream….

Guest Post by Fred Reed

The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these, as his silly wall would not. This accomplished, the chief obstacle to assimilation, crucial to the well-being of the United States, will be something called the Alt-Right.

When I write about Latin America, response falls largely into two classes. First, those who are civil, interested,  thoughtfully express various points of view or ask questions, all in a manner suggesting sanity.   The second are those who say I am a race traitor and hate America, sometimes adding sexual insults directed at my wife, who is Mexican. These latter often identify themselves as being of the Alt-Right. The two groups are clearly different sorts of people.

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If the Alt-Right wanted only to stop immigration, deport criminals, end affirmative action and so on, it would do no harm. Unfortunately it inveighs against all people of Latin-American descent, whose presence it regards as portending every kind  of disaster known to man and perhaps some not yet discovered. Sites like Vdare.com and Breitbart News endlessly paint Latins as stupid, filthy, socially irresponsible, and unable to learn English. This does not bode well for the future of a country in which Latin and Anglo will have to live together.

In fact, the Alt-Right’s desired social catastrophes seem not to be materializing, which must be a cause for sorrow. For example California, with a very large Latin population, does not produce the required Anglo-Latin race riots, burning cities, or elections made interesting by racial vituperation. Brown and white appear to get along in disturbing peace.  I guess you can’t have everything.

The problem with this apparently exhilarating hostility is there are in the US an absolute minimum of forty-five million legal Latins,  mostly citizens, who show no signs of leaving and cannot be deported. Some policy more  practical than fuming, hissing, and name-calling might be in order.

A characteristic of the Alt-Righters is a robust disregard for truth. Of course, this is equally true of their enemies on the Left, ideologues being identical psychological vessels into which may be poured any desired content. An ideology is just a systematic way of misunderstanding the world. Since the ideology is more important than correspondence with reality, truth is an ideal to be genuflected to while picking its pocket.

For example,  I have read in Alt-Right sites like Vdare and  Breitbart News for years that Mexicans in particular are filthy, throw trash everywhere, and leave their children in dirty diapers. They do not. Neither do Argentines, Peruvians, or Chileans, or any Latin-Americans I have seen. These stories are usually anonymous or vague enough to make verification difficult, at times clearly fraudulent,  and those posting them seldom seem to have bothered with fact-checking. After all, it’s the spirit of the thing that counts.

Another common story is of Latin kids in American schools turning over desks, threatening teachers, and the like. These may be true–I have no way of checking individual schools, often not named–but they bear no resemblance to school children here in Mexico. Among other things I have followed my step-daughter Natalia from age eleven through various public schools urban and otherwise through high school and then through the Universidad Marista in Guadalajara. Nothing fits the Alt-Right’s description. I do know a Mexican woman who runs food-services at a school in LA. The kids, she says, are “no saints”–how many teenagers are?–but do not come close the the Alt-Right’s hopes.

The writers of this sort of thing could easily determine the truth of many their assertions  by spending a few minutes with Google Images. Just put in Guadalajara or Chapala (where I live) or an agricultural town like Jocotepec or a mountain pueblo like Mazamitla and scroll in search of street scenes. (Here, Chapala plus neighboring Ajijic.) Look for the thick layer of garbage, dirty diapers, and used condoms. Similarly with the implications of stupidity. The CIA Factbook put literacy at ninety-five percent. A brief Google check for bookstores(“librerias”) would provide a list of thirty in Guadalajara, mostly very good. This does not absolutely prove anything, but might make one think.

In fairness to Breitbart, it may be that New York does not yet have internet service. Otherwise, one might ask why people vilifying Mexico and Mexicans have not done the easy research that would be done by an eighth-grader for a term paper. The two obvious explanations are  lying, and gross intellectual incompetence. Since the owners of these sites are highly intelligent, out of respect I assume that they are lying.

It is interesting to see what the Alt-Right really is when its members are not disguising their sentiments. A while back I wrote a column suggesting that   we should perhaps a have a reasoned policy toward our permanent Latins, to include assimilation. Such columns invariably arouse fury. This one ran in the Unz Review, which allows commenting. and has drawn 447 comments to date when 80 is a more usual number. They  represent the attitudes of the Alt-Rightists when they are protected by pseudonyms.

Note that the first comment seriously advocates killing the Latins. Not all the commenters are of this stripe, or belong to the Alt-Right, but…read a few and draw your own conclusions.

(The commenters express their own views only. The Unz Review, one of my favorite sites, is not of the Alt-Right. The owner, Ron Unz, lives in a heavily Mexican neighborhood of Silicon Valley and has repeatedly said that he finds them good people.)

Much of the vituperation of the Alt-Right against legal Latins seems the sullen hostility of gas-station louts who in some cases may have discovered clean shirts. There is an air of unreality in it, a truculence devoid of any practical program. They are positively unworldly regarding the illegals. Whatever the desirability of expelling these, practicality is lacking and the idea borders on lunacy from the far side. Do the enraged have any idea of the magnitude of ejection even twelve million people, or even  eight hundred thousand Dreamers? Executing them would seem a difficult Congressional sell. America is not going to build a Pedroschwitz despite the panting political onanism of its advocates. Meanwhile, Congress appears wildly uninterested even in The Wall, which It looks like theater to keep The Base voting as desired.

The chief reason why the Alt{Right ‘s dreams of extermination or mass deportation are pointless is that not enough  people are in favor of either. Whether a thing is a good idea doesn’t matter if it isn’t going to happen. Perhaps it would be a good idea to build a chain of catfish houses on Mars. Perhaps it would not be a good idea. Since it isn’t going to happen, the wisdom doesn’t matter.

Breitbart seems at times to rely on the innumeracy of its readers, whom it presumably knows well.  Breitbart News writes that “over 800,000” Dreamers have committed 2,139 crimes running from alien smuggling (probably their parents) and DUI to serious offenses. These criminals equal .267% of 800,000 or about a quarter of one percent of “more than 800,000” claimed by Breitbart. That is, one crime per about four hundred Dreamers. This is a crime wave?

Rather it suggests that Latins treated as legal and having  jobs commit very little crime, hardly surprising to anyone with opposable thumbs. The Dreamers also speak English and pay taxes. They are not illegal, though ever-honest Breitbart describes them so,  since the DACA program gave them legal status. Many entered the US as very small children, apparently establishing the curious doctrine that a two-year-old can commit a federal crime. So why is the Alt-Right so focused on them instead of illegals? Because it knows where to find them.

A measure of Breitbart’s contempt for its readers is that when one of twelve million illegals commits  murder, the mother of the victim becomes an “Angel Mom.” Goebbels would gag.

Perhaps the  nuttiest notion of the Alt-Right about Mexico is that it is somehow Indian.  Indians in the Alt-Right mind, or approximation of one, apparently are squatty little brown creatures with sloping foreheads and loincloths, doubtless engaging in human sacrifice. Mexico  is in fact chiefly European. It has a European language, a European religion, a European legal system (based on the Napoleonic code), and a government, well, OK, more American than European but certainly not Indian (elected president and legislature,, courts, and intractable bureaucracy). Its music while distinctive is not at all Indian and is closest to Mediterranean.  Its cathedrals would be instantly recognized by any Catholic. There is a small amount of religious syncretism: The Virgin of Guadeloupe is not mentioned in the Bible.

Again, the majority of Latins are not going to go away. Might it make sense to look at them as they are, at their many defects and many virtues, at what they are and are not, at their present and their potential, instead of growling in limbic hostility over what cannot be changed? guess not.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
April 9, 2018 1:06 pm

It’s always gratifying and heart-warming to hear Fred saying we are not dumb knuckle-draggers. Usually, the best response to accusations of that kind is to ignore them. Lowlifes are everywhere.

Private Pangloss said, I’ve watched them (the brass) screw with everybody (the soldiers) in turn, they fuck them over, it’s nothing personal – just their number comes up.

TI Pangloss said, You tryin’ to go through life without gettin’ screwed?

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 9, 2018 4:20 pm

I think ol’ Fred just phoned this one in. Throws a bunch of shit out to see what sticks. The Alt-Right wants to “exterminate” all Mexicans? Sure, okaaaaay, buddy.

KaD
KaD
  Anonymous
April 9, 2018 6:36 pm

No, I just want them to go Fing HOME to Mexico and fix their country like we are trying to do here.

MN Steel
MN Steel
April 9, 2018 4:41 pm

Can’t do mass deportations, eh?

Two words: Operation Wetback.

Seems the internet extends to Minnesota…

corey white
corey white
April 9, 2018 5:49 pm

jesus christ, I would love have a conversation on the sheer altruism and absolute asinine egalitarian views of multiculturalism, that have no history or foundation of reality whatsoever. Im guessing your a civic nationalist? please watch nick Fuentes and R.C Maxwell civic nationalism vs ethnic nationalism. Also who said we wanted to kill hispanic descendents or anyone at all? maybe from the intensity of the moment, most likely in extreme cases but definitely not literal, we condemn such barbarous acts immensely. So go ahead and get that abysmal generalization out of your head. Also did you know that Hispanic peoples are the less likely group to assimilate than anyone in the west and they are going to be the majority? whats wrong with working towards eradicating illegal immigration and drastically decrease legal immigration? So that society may be cohesive culturally, socially, politically for genrations, because i’ll wait for you to find one successful and continued successful multicultural country and is doing better on almost all levels than the original homogenous population. ill wait.

KaD
KaD
April 9, 2018 6:34 pm

My Mother worked at a hotel that harbored a bunch of Mexicans on H1 Visas doing construction work (jobs American’s won’t do, right?). None of them spoke a speck of English and they were so filthy the hotel charged the construction company extra. The construction company didn’t even put up a fight about it. As for the Latinos that are here LEGALLY, I’m fine with them. As for the ones who are NOT, and that includes the ones waving Mexican flags, acting like they are reconquering the North, NOT learning English, and pissing on our laws while gratifying themselves on the taxpayers largess; yes, it IS time to get these parasites off Uncle Sam’s ass. Guess what? America is FULL. We have no use for more low IQ unskilled useless eaters no matter what color they are.

gilberts
gilberts
  KaD
April 10, 2018 2:53 am

We no longer need unskilled labor, uneducated backwards-ass peasants, or gangbanging animals too uncivil for even their own natural habitat.

gilberts
gilberts
April 10, 2018 2:52 am

Fred can say whatever he wants. I’m sure he has a wonderful wife. She’s probably gorgeous. And I’m sure he writes whatever he has to to keep her happy. But for every pretty story about her and his kids and every reference to some Mexican idealic locale, there’s also the lovely cesspools along the border. Doesn’t even matter where. Pick anything from CA to TX and you can see it. Speaking of- how’s that narco war going? Seems like all I ever hear about are beheadings, shootings, random murders, terror, etc.

My personal experience living on the border in AZ was educational. The illegal alien highway along the …San Pecos? San Pedro? (I forget, doesn’t really matter) river north into the US, which is a US protected wildlife area, was a massive garbage dump of abandoned clothes, litter, diapers, water jugs, trashbags, shoes, etc. They thoroughly wrecked it. Erooms in hospitals across the Southwest were being shut down then, too, due to illegals never paying for care. They’re turning Erooms in nearly all other hospitals into loss leaders, too.

They also brought crime, rape, drugs, guns, violence, ignorance, disease, etc. You can look it up- the stats don’t lie. Google Rape Trees to learn about our lovely friends to the south and what they do when they arrive for unscheduled visits. Look up Stash Houses, too. Or read about how tropical diseases our doctors haven’t seen in 3 generations are suddenly back, courtesy of our uninvited friends, and our medical system is forced to play catchup and whack-a-mole with Dengue fever and other fun stuff.

As for the out-of-control schools, apparently Fred hasn’t spoken to any of his native Virginians, because when I spoke to public school parents in NOVA, they were full of stories about the disaster of latinos in the schools and the disruptions they cause. The elementary school girls wear prom gowns daily, the kids show up and eat in class, since their family doesn’t feed them breakfast at home, and the teachers can’t speak to them, so the entire class is slowed down to the pace of the slowest No Englais! kid. Even the little kids are getting in fights. My former Cajun neighbors were pissed their 9 yo girl was getting bullied by boys, but they never got in trouble, while she was sent home in trouble if she responded. Not to forget the rapes and murders, but that’s probably just the alt-right doing it all. All those MS13 gangbangers are probably all whites. Home Schooling is growing very, very quickly in popularity in NOVA and more and more parents are getting into it. It’s easy to see why.

The worst part, and what really does drive a wedge between whites and hispanics, in my opinion, is the double standard. We’re expected to be civilized, follow the rules, be respectful and courteous to even the most fucked-up entitled welfare-cheating illegals, while even their worst crimes and violations are glossed over and ignored and explained away. My friend quit donating and volunteering with her church food bank because the illegals took advantage, just backing up their luxury SUVs and cleaning the stock out. I didn’t donate to those kinds of charities for the same reason-I didn’t want to make illegals’ lives any easier. In fact, I think those charities do us a disservice, making life in a very expensive place easier, thus drawing more criminal illegals. My cashier complained to me about how the illegals, in luxury SUVs again, were buying lobster and steak with EBT, while she can’t afford that working as a cashier. I watched them trying to cheat WIC with organic premium milk, which isn’t permitted. The cashier in the Safeway I was in that particular time refused to complete the sale. Others aren’t so stringent. And what the fuck is up with everyone switching to SPanish for goods and services? WTF? Why can’t we just expect them to learn? It makes me crazy. When I go to other countries, and I’ve been to a lot, I have no expectation people will bend over and kiss my ass speaking to me in my language.

And the crime rates around their neighborhood in my town (I used to live in NOVA- not no more) were sky-high. It was the worst neighborhood in town. The only way the PC city govt and cops could cover it up was to shrink that patrol zone down to just that single neighborhood, while stretching a massive zone along the highway, encompassing light undustrial areas, shopping centers, and neighborhoods. Those who dared to point at the ghetto neighborhood were told it was baloney and where the actual worst neighborhood was. It took breaking out the actual police annual crime report to see how they slanted the statistics to protect the illegal alien ghetto dwellers from the racism of statistics. My buddy lives in Leesburg and he told me the town govt and the cops were so desperate to preserve their small town appeal, they would turn a murder into jaywalking to minimize the crime rate.

I might be a terrible intolerant bigot, but I just want people to be citizens, be held to the same standards I am, and to follow the law. At this point, however, thanks to the liberal traitors in government and society (CA issued 1,000,000+ licenses to illegal drivers. VA and NC have issued countless licenses to illegals. VA can’t trust their own DMV to the point they no longer issue licenses on the spot. Other states are giving in-state tuition to illegals.), who are willing to cover up for the illegals, aiding and abetting their crimes and trying to explain it all away, I feel forced to just assume practically every hispanic I see is an illegal or the progeny of illegals. If they can’t speak English, drive a beater van with 3x different colored body panels/rust spots holding hands, massive body damage, etc I just assume they’re illegals. If they’re blasting their repetitive it-all-seems-to-sound-alike music at 1am while I’m trying to sleep and ignoring repeated calls to the cops from me and my neighbors, I just assume they’re all illegals. If they can’t seem to figure out how to do simple things, like pay for stuff at the cash register, or use multiple cards+cash+checks+count out change and need their kid(s) to explain it to them, I just shake my head and assume they’re illegals.

If they were coming here, learning the language, fitting in, and embracing our values, it would be very different. That’s not happening. Fred seems to miss the stories of the towns on the TX border who refuse to fly the US flag. The towns who refuse to cooperate with the feds. The LA schools where wearing an American flag is a trigger and gets you sent home, while the kids raise the mexican flag on the school pole. And the long, LONG history of racism in california and the fights between blacks, hispanics, and whites. Or the demands for Reconquest. Or… I could go on. Google could keep me here all night with examples.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2018 7:13 am

Bravo, Gil. Always enjoy your sensible, factual observations.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
April 10, 2018 10:22 am

What facts? He says google could keep him up all night looking for examples. Yet, he can’t figure out the name of the Rio Grande. He can’t even figure out that Arizona is a choice spot for illegal entry because there is no natural barrier like a river.

Just like he throws out wild river names that sound illegal, he throws out any wild accusations – seriously – reducing murder to simple charge of Jay-walking? Gimme a break, Gil.

Mentally ill Gill throws everything at em, drivers licences, the old lobster on EBT and driving luxury wheels. He turns the old welfare queen image into the stereotypical illegal. Then he reverses himself and says they drive cars like mine; old beaters with different colored panels. Which is it, Gill?

Google much, you dumbfuck?

gilberts
gilberts
  Anonymous
April 10, 2018 8:45 pm

You’re on the wrong state, dumbass. I said Arizona.
And everything I wrote was either from personal observation or observations of friends and neighbors or, finally, from reading. The Leesburg one was merely exaggeration of an actual policy-they minimize charges to any extent possible to avoid felonies, which would eat away at their All American City image. You may not know the NOVA region, so you can be forgiven for your ignorance. Judging by your kneejerk hothead comments, I touched a nerve. And yes, if you go into the ghetto, like I routinely did, you would see both shitty white panel vans and mercedes, escalades, navigators, and other expensive vehicles. For people who are ostensibly in dire straits and need govt money and other forms of aid, some of them are doing quite well. I used to make a point to ask the cashiers at my grocery store and walmart what % of people paid with EBT. Estimates ran from 75-95%. Make of it what you will. And suck it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pedro_River_(Arizona)
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San Pedro River (Arizona)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

San Pedro River is a northward-flowing stream originating about 10 miles (16 km) south of the international border south of Sierra Vista, Arizona, in Cananea Municipality, Sonora, Mexico. The river starts at the confluence of other streams (Las Nutrias and El Sauz) just east of Sauceda, Cananea.[3] Within Arizona, the river flows 140 miles (230 km) north through Cochise County, Pima County, Graham County, and Pinal County to its confluence with the Gila River, at Winkelman, Arizona. It is the last major, free-flowing undammed river in the American Southwest,[4] it is of major ecological importance as it hosts two-thirds of the avian diversity in the United States, including 100 species of breeding birds and 300 species of migrating birds.[5]

History

The first people to enter the San Pedro Valley were the Clovis people who hunted mammoth here from 10,000 years ago. The San Pedro Valley has the highest concentration of Clovis sites in North America.[6] Some Clovis sites of note are the Lehner Mammoth-Kill Site, the Murray Springs Clovis Site and the Naco Mammoth-Kill Site.

The hunter-gatherer, Cochise Culture next made this area home between about 5000 to 200 BC. Followed by the more advanced Mogollon, Hohokam and Salado cultures who built permanent homes and engaged in agriculture here. By the time the first Europeans arrived these cultures had disappeared and the San Pedro River was home to the Sobaipuri people.

The first Europeans to visit the San Pedro River may have been the parties of Cabeza de Vaca, Fray Marcos de Niza or the Coronado expedition, and while no archeological evidence as yet exists of the passing of these groups, it has been fairly firmly established that the upper San Pedro was a widely recognized and utilized leg of the “Cibola Trail.”[7] The Jesuit priest Eusebio Kino visited the villages along the San Pedro and Babocomari Rivers in 1692 and soon after introduced the first livestock to this area (if we assume that Coronado’s livestock did not survive/breed).[8]

It is widely believed that by 1762 Apache depredation drove the Sobaipuri and Spanish out of the San Pedro Valley which then remained largely uninhabited until the early 1800s.[9] This, however, is not true as a recent study has shown.[10] In fact, documents state that not all the Sobaipuri left and in the 1780s Sobaipuri were noted still living along the river. Archaeology has confirmed additional Sobaipuri settlements along the middle San Pedro not mentioned in the documentary record throughout the 1800s.

Early American exploration of the San Pedro River, like most rivers in western North America, was driven by the pursuit of beaver pelts. James Ohio Pattie and his father led a party of fur trappers down the Gila River and then down the San Pedro River in 1826 which was so successful that he called the San Pedro the Beaver River.[2] The party was attacked by Apache Indians (probably the Aravaipa Band) at “Battle Hill” (probably Modern-day Malpais Hill) where they subsequently stashed and lost over 200 beaver pelts.[11] In the 19th century the river was a meandering stream with fluvial marshlands, riparian forest, Sporobolus grasslands and extensive beaver ponds. As the region experienced a rapid climate warming and drying,[12] (coincident with beaver removal and large-scale cattle introduction; correlation not directly established) the river down-cut and then widened in a process of arroyo formation observed on many rivers in the Southwest.[13] In 1895, J. A. Allen described a mammal collection from southeastern Arizona, “On the headwaters of the San Pedro, in Sonora, a colony of a dozen or more had their lodges up to 1893, when a trapper nearly exterminated them. All the streams in the White Mountains have beaver dams in them, although most of the animals have been trapped.”[14] The beaver were finally extirpated by 1920s dynamiting of the beaver dams from soldiers from Fort Huachuca to prevent malaria.(citation?) By the mid-20th century the once perennial river only flowed during the rainy season and beaver, fluvial marshlands and Sporobolus grasslands were uncommon.[13][15] Physician naturalist Edgar Alexander Mearns’ 1907 Mammals of the Mexican boundary of the United States reported beaver (Castor canadensis) on the San Pedro River and the Babocomari River.[16] Mearns claimed that the San Pedro River beaver represented a new subspecies Castor canadensis frondator or “Sonora beaver” that ranged from Mexico up to Wyoming and Montana.[17]
Ecology

More than 300 species of birds, 200 species of butterflies and 20 species of bats use this corridor as they migrate between South, Central and North America, including the imperiled yellow-billed cuckoo (Coccyzus americanus). More than 80 species of mammals, including jaguar (Panthera onca), coatimundi (Nasua narica), bats, beaver (Castor canadensis frontador), mountain lion, and many rodents; more than 65 species of reptiles and amphibians, including Sonoran tiger salamander (Ambystoma mavortium stebbinsi) and western barking frog (Eleutherodactylus augusti). Remaining native fish species include the Gila chub (Gila intermedia) which is proposed for federal listing as endangered, and the longfin dace, desert sucker, roundtail chub, Sonora sucker, and speckled dace. The flora includes Fremont cottonwood (Populus fremontii), Goodding willow (Salix gracilistyla), velvet mesquite, sacaton, and the Federally endangered Huachuca water umbel (Lilaeopsis schaffneriana spp. recurva).[5]

In recent decades, rapid growth and population increases in southern Arizona has caused concern with this river. Several non-profit organizations have risen in recent years to raise awareness of this problem. The San Pedro Riparian National Conservation Area (SPRNCA) was established in 1988 to protect some forty miles of the upper San Pedro valley.[19] The Nature Conservancy also owns several preserves in the watershed, including the San Pedro River Preserve, Aravaipa Canyon Preserve, Muleshoe Ranch Preserve, Ramsey Canyon Preserve, and most recently, Rancho Los Fresnos. Rancho Los Fresnos, near the river’s source, is the largest ciénega, an isolated desert spring or marsh, remaining in the San Pedro River watershed. Its protection is important as 99% of the ciénegas in the Southwest have been drained and destroyed.[20]

With large portions of the river dry much of the year, Bureau of Land Management (BLM) wildlife biologist Mark Fredlake proposed restoring beaver to the watershed to retain water flows into the dry season and to support re-growth of the historic riparian vegetation.[15] Riparian habitat covers only 1% of the Southwest but supports 50% of breeding bird species and is vital as a food source for migrating avifauna.[21] Fredlake reasoned that beaver dams would raise the water table, allowing groundwater to recharge the river’s flow in the dry season. From 1999 to 2002, 19 beavers were released into the SPRNCA, a 40-mile (64 km) stretch of the river, in Cochise County. By 2006 there were more than 30 dams. The beavers also dispersed widely and rapidly. One beaver migrated to Aravaipa Canyon, more than 100 rivermiles away; another to the river’s terminus at the Gila River, earning itself the moniker “the surfing beaver”; and others up into Mexico, building several dams along the river’s upper tributaries. The program was successful with measurable increases in bird diversity and formation of deep pools and lasting flows.[22] In 2008, flooding destroyed all the beaver dams and this was followed by a long drought. However, as in historic times the beaver seems well adapted to the San Pedro River, and the 2009 dam count is back above 30 with a current population between 30 and 120 beavers.[15] A

The San Pedro drains an area of approximately 4,720 square miles (12,200 km2) in Cochise, Graham, Pima, and Pinal Counties. Its course traverses deep sedimentary basins flanked by the Huachuca, Mule, Whetstone, Dragoon, Rincon, Little Rincon, Winchester, Galiuro, Tortilla, and Santa Catalina Mountains. The San Pedro is fed by numerous tributaries, which in general, drain relatively short and steep catchments oriented more or less perpendicular to the mainstem.[25] For most of its length the San Pedro flows over sedimentary basin fill deposits, although it is bound by bedrock at the Tombstone Hills at Charleston and near Fairbank, “the Narrows” south of Cascabel, near Redington, and again at Dudleyville (Heindl, 1952). Two major tributaries, Babocomari River and Aravaipa Creek, each have extensive bedrock-lined stretches. Historically the San Pedro has been divided into upper and lower reaches at the Narrows.[26]

On May 27, 2011, a U.S. District judge ruled that Fort Huachaca’s plan to pump 6,100 acre feet (7,500,000 m3) of groundwater without mitigation plans to replenish the San Pedro River flows failed to protect the endangered Southwestern willow flycatcher (Empidonax traillii) and the Huachuca water umbel so they could recover from their imperiled status. [27] The ruling was in response to a second lawsuit brought by the Center for Biological Diversity and the Maricopa Audubon Society. In 2002, in response to an earlier suit filed by the center, another judge tossed out an earlier Wildlife Service biological opinion that the water pumping could be mitigated.[4]
Mormon Battalion

The Mormon Battalion marched through the river valley in 1846, and the only battle the battalion fought in their journey to California occurred near the river. The battalion’s presence had aroused curiosity among a number of wild cattle, and the bulls of these herds damaged wagons and injured mules. In response, the men shot dozens of the charging bulls.[28] Mormon settlers later returned to this area in 1877 to found a settlement that became St. David, and logged the Huachuca Mountains to provide lumber for building Fort Huachuca and Tombstone.[29]
Geology, paleontology

In recent decades, the Arizona Geological Society has focused on the region, as well as researchers. Development pressures, recreation, and groundwater harvesting have led to recent concerns of protecting the region. A recent floodplain study focused on the Holocene floodplain alluvium and its history, over a 125-mile (201 km) stretch of the river to understand subground waterflow resources.[26]

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http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/pics_naco4.html

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This is from Naco, near where I used to live.

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This is similar to what the illegals have done to the wildlife sanctuary.
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http://www.desertinvasion.us/reports/hull_border_env_damage.html

Desert Invasion – U.S.
Environmental Damage at the Arizona-Mexico Border and Intrusion into the Lives of Americans Living There, by Diana Hull, Ph.D., 2002

This inadequately protected area in and around the small ranching towns of Bisbee and Douglas were inundated last year by 1 to 3 million illegal aliens most of whom escaped into the interior of the United States.
Intense and successful operations by the Border Patrol in El Paso, Texas and San Diego has funneled illegals and drug smugglers through Cochise County in southern Arizona. This inadequately protected area in and around the small ranching towns of Bisbee and Douglas were inundated last year by 1 to 3 million illegal aliens most of whom escaped into the interior of the United States. Only one half million were apprehended by border patrol agents.

Environmental groups ignore the damage this is causing to our National Forests, and recently a revived Sanctuary Movement wants to rescue the immigrants and help transport them north. The Border Patrol in what is called the “Tucson sector” has been increased from 287 agents in 1994, to 1400 today. But they are unable to guard the entire 83 miles of border [in the Tucson Sector] that Arizona shares with Mexico. Yet because of the increased personnel here, other parts of the southern border and the border with Canada have become more vulnerable.

Bisbee has a population of 125,000 people. Cocaine smuggling has been rampant since the 1980’s, but now this small county has become the major corridor for drugs in the United States. It has also become a center for the smuggling of people. Like drugs, people smuggling is a multi-million dollar business. Reliable local observers say one large truck can hold about 70 illegal aliens and that gives the smuggler a $70,000 profit for the two hour drive from the border to Tucson.

Larry Dever, the Sheriff of Cochise County… was particularly critical of the federal government because they have “not only failed to protect our properties and our people,” but, at the same time, “claim a propriety and sole authority to do so.”
Last June 27th [2002] Larry Dever, the Sheriff of Cochise County, talked about what he called “the emergency situation in Arizona” in his testimony before a Senate Subcommittee on Immigration, chaired by Senator Jon Kyl. He called it “a challenge of unprecedented proportions.” He told the Subcommittee that on his visits to Mexico, he has seen the building of enormous new infrastructure designed to support alien smuggling operations. Cochise County is a target, he said, because there is lots of water in the San Pedro River, in wells, ponds and stock tanks and lots of remote places where aliens can find cover and hide. There is also access to rural roads that lead to highways that connect with all major US cities.

Sheriff Dever said that the surge of illegal immigrants through his county has damaged or destroyed water resources, that fences are routinely cut on private and public property, and that the land is now littered with tons of garbage, clothing and human waste. He was particularly critical of the federal government because they have “not only failed to protect our properties and our people,” but, at the same time, “claim a propriety and sole authority to do so.”

He was talking about how private individuals were criticized as vigilantes when they tried to defend themselves. Rancher-business man Roger Barnett, for example, who has received some national publicity, reports constant vandalism on his ranch and describes how little is done about it by law enforcement. Mr. Barnett says that the people who live in his area are very much on their own as smugglers march illegal immigrants for miles through private ranches and suburban back yards. They do this, he says, mainly at night. Once these groups get about 20 miles from the border, there is almost no chance they will be apprehended.

Attempts to detain immigrants on your property, while you wait for the Border Patrol, are often investigated by the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department to see if any law has been broken. Then the Mexican Consulate must be advised so it can ensure the rights of their citizens and provide them with legal counsel if needed.

Americans have fewer protections. Chris M. Roll, the Cochise County Attorney, told the Senate Subcommittee about the increase of border predators-robbers, rapists and kidnappers who prey on both US residents and illegal aliens.

The United States Attorney for the District of Arizona, Jose de Jesus Riviera, described to the Senate Subcommittee the problems with home invasion burglaries, slaughter of livestock, the draining of water systems and the huge quantities of refuse left in the immigrant’s wake. He also warned about increasing bands of “drug backpackers” who cross private property in groups, usually carrying firearms. Just considering the environmental damage alone, we can wonder why those dedicated to the protection of the land and its resources have not intervened forcefully in the way they have done, for example, in my home county of Santa Barbara, California, with lawyers representing environmental groups ever ready to go to court on behalf of possible damage to oaks, endangered species, habitat or wetlands if they are disturbed in any way by the actions of California ranchers or farmers on their own property. If there are similar organizations in Arizona, the vast environmental damage being done by hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants does not seem to disturb them.

Here are examples of what the immigration invasion has wrought in publicly owned resources like the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, the Coronado National Forest and the San Pedro Riparian Conservation Area. Jesse Juen, the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) Field Representative in Tuscon told the Senate Subcommittee that, over the past two years wildfires caused by immigrants smoking cigarettes or building fires to warm themselves at night have destroyed about 20% of the riparian vegetation along the San Pedro River in Cochise County. Plastic water bottles, food wrappers, toilet paper and human feces cover large areas where fences have been cut for the passage of human coyotes. Mr. Juen said the off-road vehicles of alien smugglers often go down steep embankments and motor oil and fuel leaks into streams and endangered species habitat.

The Bureau of Land Management’s own facilities, living quarters, storage sheds and workshops are regularly broken into and vandalized. Concern for individual safety now require these employees to travel in pairs. Mr. Juen said regretfully that the environmental damage in the Riparian National Conservation area is stripping away the natural resources that the RNC was created to conserve.

James K. Bellamy is Superintendent of the Coronado National Memorial in southeastern Arizona, a unit of the National Park System consisting of 4,750 acres of oak woodland and grassland with 3.5 miles bordering Mexico. His testimony to the Senate Subcommittee emphasized the 300% escalation in illegal immigrant traffic this year and how his rangers no longer apprehend illegal border crossers because of the sheer numbers of entrants compared to the size of the combined force of the Border Patrol and the Park Rangers.

Mr. Bellamy told the Senate Subcommittee that human foot traffic through the park has created trails the width of roads. Vegetation is trampled to such an extent that steep hillsides have been eroded and much ground laid bare-with litter widespread-like discarded clothing, blankets, food containers, toilet paper and human excrement.

The plight of Cochise County is California’s plight too because 40% of all. illegal immigrants are heading our way. So what, if anything, will the United States Senate, awash in contributions from the cheap labor lobby, do about this, if anything, and will our new President give more than lip service to protecting our borders? Ten years after the cold war, U.S. military forces are still stationed in 100 different countries all over the world.

Now added to decades of political paralysis comes another dysfunctional response to this violation of our boundaries and our laws. Here come the rescuers–not of our land, but of those who invade us, acting with the blessing and encouragement of the Mexican government. Catholic, Lutheran and Presbyterian churches in Arizona are reviving the Sanctuary movement of the 1980’s and actively helping illegal aliens avoid detection–giving them aid and encouragement and even transporting them north.

We have not heard even the mildest of “peeps” from the Sierra Club. With environmental groups these days, “Social Justice” in the form of “immigrants rights” trumps concern about overpopulation, damage to plants, land and wildlife, and the quality of life in the United States.
While valuing every human life is a religious and moral ideal, practical ethics is rarely so simple. Thoughtless compassion is like saving the tree while ignoring the health of the woodland environment and the human and animal creatures who need it for sustenance. A nation is easily as complicated as a forest and the righteous often only see the very few trees right in front of their eyes.

Even if the Americans who live in Southern Arizona are of little consequence to the US Congress and to the sanctimonious Sanctuary Movement, surely someone, some group must be willing to defend our threatened environment! We have not heard even the mildest of “peeps” from the Sierra Club. Their silence is deafening, so what can that mean?

Evidently political correctness demands that you first consider who is destroying the environment–not the extent of the destruction itself nor whether it should be stopped. With environmental groups these days, “Social Justice” in the form of “immigrants rights” trumps concern about overpopulation, damage to plants, land and wildlife, and the quality of life in the United States. These priorities mirror those of the Ford and associated major charitable foundations from whom both the National Counsel of La Raza and the Sierra Club get financial support.

Makers of public policy might consider the concerns of Professor Samuel P. Huntington, the Albert J. Weatherhead III University Professor at Harvard University and founder of Foreign Policy quarterly. In an address last July he said, “Mexican immigration is a unique, disturbing and looming challenge to our cultural integrity, our national identity, and potentially to our future as a country.”

Diana Hull, Ph.D. is President of CAPS (Californians for Population Stabilization). a non profit, public interest organization that works to protect California’s environment and quality of life.

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April 11, 2018 8:57 am

Fred needs to get out more. I live in a Latin American country and I can attest to the fact that garbage cans here are everywhere. I can also tell u that I have personally watched some douchebag mother change her kids diaper right next to the garbage can on the beach and leave the diaper on the ground less than 6 feet from the can. I’ve watched locals drinking from a bottle on the beach and just throw the bottle behind a palm tree. On Halloween the kids eat their candies and throw the wrappers on the ground.
The sides of the streets in the residential areas have every form of household garbage. All the way up to the old washing machines.
Some great and kind kind people. Still lots of savages though. They are third world for a reason and I suspect it starts at the lower IQ leadership. Nobody here is interested in building a better place, sadly. Officials are only interested in filling their pockets with as much loot as they can while in office. Also seems that absolutely all of them are only interested in how can I fuck whitey out of more money. Seems it’s ok for them to be racist.
In reality, with a little open honesty these places would be easy to fix and be some of the most beautiful places on earth. Not with current attitudes and leadership. So these fuckers want to move to America to destroy it. They will vote their people in eventually and find more ways to fuck whitey over.