Guerrilla Car Buying

Guest Post by Eric Peters

It’s never been easier to buy a new car; the harder part is not paying too much for it. “Easy” financing obscures how much you’re really paying, by spreading out the paying. Bundling of desirable options with options you may not want – but are pushed into buying in order to get the options you want.

Those are two of the new pressures adding to your peril.   

Plus the stand-by perils: Your old car got totaled in a wreck and you need something new, now. You’ve become emotionally attached.

Or your SO has.

Here are some strategies you can use to avoid those new car paid-too-much blues:

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Rent it before you buy it –

It’s odd how little time we spend with major purchases before we commit to paying for them – for years to come. Cars are just one example. We walk around the lot, look at different colors, listen to the salesman talk about the features – and maybe take a brief test drive. Then we drive it home.

A longer test drive – prior to purchase – would be a lot more helpful in terms of discovering whether the seats kill your back after a couple of hours behind the wheel. Or that the ride really is too firm (or soft). These are things you don’t usually grok until you’ve lived with a car for awhile. As opposed to an hour or so.

So, rent the thing for a weekend.

While not all makes/models are available on the rental car circuit, many are – especially popular/mass-market models. Trucks and luxury cars are available, too – and it’s worth your time (and the small-in-context cost) to find where to rent them. Then go ahead and rent what you’re thinking about buying – and see how it suits. Without the pressure  – or the long-term consequences.

If you don’t like the thing, return it and try another.

That’s something you can’t do after you bought the thing. Not, at any rate, without paying a lot more than what it would have cost you for a weekend rental.

Buy a Demo –

You’ve probably scored a great deal on a a sofa or appliance that’s out of the box, on display – what’s often called a floor model. These are just as new as the unboxed items, but they sell for substantially less because someone else sat on them or opened and closed the door, left fingerprints, etc.

Dealer demo cars are the same thing on wheels.

It’s a brand-new car, just like the others on the lot. But the plastic is off the seats, maybe a couple hundred miles on the clock. But it’s never been titled and the new car warranty still applies. The difference is what you’ll pay – which will be a lot less than for a car with the plastic still on the seats.

There is almost no downside to this, except for not being the first person to sit on the seats, without the plastic wrap. And – in addition to the deal – some not-small additional perks. For example, the Demo car – having been driven – won’t have any “little things” wrong with it that you will have to deal with. New cars may be warranted but that doesn’t mean they are perfection. And while you won’t have to pay for the fix, if it’s new and warranted, the cost of the hassle will still be yours. The Demo car will be sorted out and ready to roll – on the road, not back onto the dealer’s lift.

Also, you stand a very good chance of getting the dealer to “toss in” an extended warranty – one that continues to cover major components such as the engine and transmission after the factory coverage ends – to assuage your fears (play this up; be Shakespearean) of a car that has “miles” on it.

Even if it’s only a few hundred miles.

Look for a Leftover –

A new car can still be a new car even if it’s not this year’s new car. Sometimes, inventory doesn’t move before the calendar rolls over. When that happens, the dealer gets desperate. Because even though the car is still as new on January 1 as it was on December 31, it’s all of a sudden last year’s model. It just lost about 20 percent of its value.

If the current year’s model has been updated, all the better – for you. Most people will want the re-styled/updated model, not “last year’s” model.  

But even if not, you will still score.

As an example, a good friend of mine bought a brand-new and loaded 2017 Fiat 500 turbo in early 2018. The car stickered for $24,000 and change. She drove it home for about $16,000 – less than the cost of a 2018 model base trim 500 (no turbo). In her case, the score was a double score, because Fiat stopped selling the turbo model for 2018 (you have to buy the gaudy – and loud – Abarth 500 to get the turbo’d engine).

Sometimes, these cars will be advertised. Better yet, walk the lot – and look for the leftovers. They’ll be easy to find; just read the window sticker. If it’s last year’s model, you are in luck.

Order the car you want – 

Dealers want you to buy from their inventory – the cars they have on the lot. The reason for that is two-fold. First, they are paying carrying costs on every car they have on the lot until those cars find buyers. Second, dealers tend to order the cars which make them the most profit – which means cars loaded with options which you may not want. If you’ve been car shopping lately, you’ve probably already found this out. It can be hard to find a base trim car – or one with a manual transmission, even when it’s nominally available. 

In which case, order the car equipped the way you want it.

The dealer won’t like it and may try to pressure you to buy off the lot. If he does, find another dealer. Or, let the pressure work for you. Tell him that you really want the manual transmission – or the car without the sunroof and the optional leather interior – but you might settle for one with those features . . . if the price is in line with what you’re looking for.

Which brings us to the most important rule of car shopping: As long as you still hold the cash and haven’t signed anything, you hold all the cards. Let that work for you – and you’ll win the game every time.

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javelin
javelin
June 7, 2018 4:49 pm

And I’ll catch some barbs for this one but also, NEVER take the wife car shopping with you.

They will tell you to ” not be so rude” when you are simply being the unmovable person, with the dominant standing in the deal–and you let the salesman know that you are aware of your control…..
Also, the female mind loses all reasoning ability when someone says or stickers something as ” a great deal”…. “DISCOUNT!” or the worst, “SALE”.. They almost feel obligated to buy when they see these words…….

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  javelin
June 7, 2018 8:04 pm

Your right, it is best to leave the wife at home:

Alfred1860
Alfred1860
  javelin
June 8, 2018 1:52 pm

Haha, my wife always squirms when we sit down with a car salesman because my first line is always a variation of “I only look at a car as a means of getting from point A to point B is cheaply as possible, without having to worry much about it breaking down”. Set the tone up front.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
June 7, 2018 4:59 pm

I have found that if you tell a car dealer that you want to special order a new car they just about shit their britches. They won’t show much emotion at first, but after you’ve been sitting there a few hours and having them fill out the specs order one check off at a time, it will become evident. The big boss will come out and talk to the salesmen privately, and then it happens. They’ll say “If the order is messed up by the factory or the salesman we’ll have to eat it, maybe we can work out a deal” and then you’ll get one hell of a deal and you don’t have to do much haggling. They knocked nearly 40% off the particular model of car I was interested in and told me I could pick any one on the lot that I wanted. I also got a Ziebart anti-rust treatment job for half price.

Tommy
Tommy
June 7, 2018 5:05 pm

Or, just take better care of the car you drive so you don’t have to even step foot on a car lot.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
  Tommy
June 7, 2018 7:48 pm

Tommy I agree. My last new car purchase, my total cost of ownership calculation was based on owning and driving for a 12 year period. Hence, I avoid at least two other car purchase’s in that time based on the average car buyer, saving me a lot of money. (for the record, we drive 15k – 20k per year).
All I can say about car buying in general is to use ‘total cost of ownership’ vs ‘initial price’ only.

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June 7, 2018 6:17 pm

All I want for Father’s Day is one Eric Peters article per week on TFB!

gilberts
gilberts
  Administrator
June 8, 2018 3:11 am

BULLY!
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Anonymous
Anonymous

Admin has a man-crush on eric peters. I agree 100%, 1 article a month.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Administrator
June 8, 2018 12:34 pm

The ZH wah-wah soy boys want less testosterone-loaded car articles and more estrogen-soaked Ann Coulter poultices for their bruised egos (they hate us for our whiteness).

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Anonymous
Anonymous

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Stucky
Stucky
June 7, 2018 6:45 pm

So many cars lose 50% of their value after just three or four years. You can find such USED cars with super low mileage (under 20k) all day long on the internet.

NEW car buyers are suckers.

Wip
Wip
  Stucky
June 7, 2018 7:54 pm

Yep, I’ve had great luck with used cars. My current car was 10grand. 34,000 miles and I bet I get 200,000 miles out of it.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stucky
June 7, 2018 9:15 pm

No it’s not. For us people who have money, buying a new car is the way to go.

Tennessee Budd
Tennessee Budd
  Dutchman
June 7, 2018 9:19 pm

Even if a putative billionaire relative died & left me everything, I don’t think I’d ever have so much money that I’d enjoy throwing some of it away. I make a good living, I have substantial assets both liquid and non-liquid, and I’m certain ‘ll never buy a new car. The same amount of money can get me a much nicer, higher-quality used car.

gilberts
gilberts
  Dutchman
June 8, 2018 2:48 pm

No, it’s really a sucker’s bet. Why buy new, at inflated bullshit prices, what you can get used a few years later at a substantial savings? Maybe years ago when cars didn’t survive to 100k it was better to buy new, but now they’re all essentially capable of serving you for several hundred thousand miles. With basic maintenance and timely cleaning, you can keep them running for a very long time. I keep mine until they’re practically run into the ground. The only exception being the hybrid, which was great for the city, but no good for the country, and the VW, which VW bought back at full book value as part of the diesel scandal settlement.

Bullshitthis
Bullshitthis
June 7, 2018 8:59 pm

Hell most of the cars I buy , have 150k or more on them when I get them and are over 30 years old. BMW E28. Prefer the 3.5 over the 2.8 and a manual. Ski a lot and usually manage to get hit, every 2 to 3 years. Always minor, but the car gets totaled and I usually make money.

gilberts
gilberts
June 8, 2018 3:21 am

I test drove a 2016 Laramie Longhorn with all the options at the used lot before I got my used truck. Ohhhh, man, that was luxurious. All leather interior with laser etched cowboy shit everywhere, saddle bags for the seat back pockets, massive, wide, luxurious seats, cameras and sensors and shit all over, and an engine that just purred with power. Too nice for me- my kid would destroy the thing with crackers and candy and dirty shoes and spills and God-knows-what. And I wanted something I wouldn’t mind getting dirty out in the sticks, not some gigantic beast too wide to turn around on a trail. They told me the original owner goes out every year, or so, gets the latest Laramie (that’s a 50K+ truck, yo!), drives it for a year, or so, then trades it in. I guess it makes him happy, but daaaaaamn, for me that’s an unbelievable waste of money. At least some schmuck like me gets to enjoy the sloppy seconds at a substantial discount.

Shark
Shark
June 8, 2018 7:30 am

Get a Costco, Sam’s Club, USAA Insurance or other membership with a buying service (preferably more than one buying service), and join a decent-sized credit union if you can…then see what kind of deal they can get for you. Sometimes it’s one heck of a hassle-free discounted price.

gilberts
gilberts
  Shark
June 8, 2018 2:41 pm

I did that for my VW diesel stationwagon. USAA is great.

AmazingAZ
AmazingAZ
June 8, 2018 12:22 pm

In Arizona, plates are based on value, so it’s a triple whammy between plate fees, insurance & depreciation when I consider a car purchase.

I love Eric Peters, he’s prolific, intelligent, and has his head in the right place as far as government goes. He could write every day, and I would read every single word. Thanks Admin!

We’ve been looking at vehicles out 10 years or so with lower miles, and there are some gems for a reasonable price. We live off dirt roads, and prefer Jeeps. Last one, bought a loaded 2005 Gran Cherokee for $16,000 with 40,000 miles in 2009 just after all the fireworks in 2008 when they were giving them away.

c1ue
c1ue
June 10, 2018 11:08 am

This is one of the few Eric Peters articles that has some useful advice, as opposed to nearly unhinged rantery on government interference with cars.
That stuff is fine in 1 or 2 mentions, but endless repetition is just ridiculous.