I just finished the book “Ashes Of The Earth” a few days ago.
The basics. Humans waged an all-out nuclear and biological war. Only about 10,000 people remain alive. The people are reduced to living a steam-age technological existence …. and even then only because of what can still be scavenged. Once the salvage runs stop yielding the remnants of society, what’s left of mankind will likely be reduced to that of the Stone Age. Already the first generation of children born into post apocalyptic America are descending into superstitious savages … as they feed each other myths of a “Better World” where there exists unheard of luxuries such as warm houses, machines that fly in the air, and most amazing of all, abundant food — and they are committing suicide to go there.
It’s one of the more enjoyable “post apocalypse” books I’ve read. One of the characters in the book is a priest … but, he’s a sad and lonely figure clinging to his own old “Better World” beliefs. He has a congregation of one … himself. Which brings us to the QOTD.
Q1: General: In a world virtually totally destroyed by war, with only 10,000 humans left alive …. will the first and subsequent generations (those who never knew the world before it was destroyed) still have a belief in God?
— If so, why? Which God will prevail this time?
Q2: Specific, to Believers: You were a Believer before the Earth was destroyed. You are one of the 10,000 who survived. Do you still believe in Jesus, and that he loves us, and that he will return to Earth to establish his thousand year rule?
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Me?
Q1: Yes. Believe in God will probably never die. It’s in our DNA, hardwired in our brains. There is solid evidence that the cave drawings and burial rituals of humans/humanoids going as far back as (probably) Neanderthals and (certainly) Cro-Magnon are indicative of religious rituals. God is baked in the human cake.
Which God will prevail this time? Well, if it’s 10,000 Christians that survived the Apocalypse then it’s likely that Christianity will survive … but, it almost surely will not be anything recognizable to current beliefs. What if it’s 10,000 atheists who survive … will that be the Death of God? Nope. It may be for that generation but, again, there is a “God Gene” in humanity, and God will eventually reemerge. Hopefully it will NOT be a belief in monotheism! Monotheism always results in dead people — those people who don’t believe in your God. Kill ’em! Just look at the big picture history of Jews, Mooslims, and Christians. Hopefully polytheism prevails where every God is just as valid as every other God.
Q2: I would be SO DONE with Jesus!!! Believe in a god who allowed, or could not prevent, 7+ billion people to die a horrible death? That god can go fuck himself.
We all die, we all suffer, that’s life.
We also all experience joy, happiness, love, etc. Being human has far more benefits than drawbacks, but that’s just my perspective.
God exists- Creator- with or without us, because this Creation-the Universe with everything in it- exists. If the Creator could come up with everything from the atom to the Universe and all the wonders in between, he could certainly have been able to spend a few decades as a man in the middle east doing carpentry and preaching to his friends and followers, but that’s an entirely different matter.
Over the years I have gone from being a curious and wide-eyed child filled with wonder to a cynical and bitter middle aged man with a sour outlook and a hopeless view of the world, back to being a curious and wide-eyed older man filled with wonder.
It’s all about perspective. We come in, we go out and all the time between is up to us to figure out how we should do it, but Earth abides.
Thanks for giving me something to dwell on today, Stucky, you always provide something worth thinking about. Have a great day.
I remember reading “Earth Abides” as a child. I think 1949 publishing date. Isherwood Williams was the main character and survived because he was stung by a bee, if I rightly remember. This dude abides until he doesn’t
It was a snake bite.
The ending was haunting, his grandchildren turning coins into arrowheads by banging them with a rock and then leaving him to die all alone on the bridge because they had game to carry back to their camp and he wasn’t able to walk anymore.
You should read and understand the prophecies, Stucky, instead of speculating about a different outcome than they foretell while using a biblical reference to the final events of the times.
BTW, telling God off if he doesn’t do your expected bidding is an unwise thing to be doing. Threatening God is worse than trying to plea bargain with him to get him to do your will instead of his.
First, sorry for not replying sooner but the library is closed in the summer on Sunday. You said; — “You should read and understand the prophecies, Stucky, instead of speculating …. ”
Well, that’s pretty darn funny. “Understanding prophecies” is ALL about speculating. Maybe you ought to do a quick search on just books about prophecy — and the ten thousand different angles of interpretation — and get back to me. Or, tell me about the hundreds of times (if not more) that hundreds of groups (if not more) in the past two thousand years speculated that Jesus was coming back in THEIR generation. Oopsy!
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“BTW, telling God off if he doesn’t do your expected bidding is an unwise thing to be doing.”
What is less wise, imho, is unquestionally following a God who does Great Evil. On the other hand, I am no different than Abraham who bargained with God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah. There are other instances in the Bible where humans bargain with God, or even accuse him. Why can’t I?
P.S. The only reason I am responding to you ANONYMOUS is because I think you are EC.
What about free will? Yes, I know decisions of others can do great harm to many innocent people. But I believe free will is one of the greatest gifts God blesses us with. John
Free will was coopted by Bernays and the gang. All your thoughts are belong to us.
EC
Nope, I would not talk to you that way. I’m pretty sure I have never admonished you about anything, amigo. We are all here biding our time waiting for the big event, talking with anticipation, some elated, some deflated. I am much more inhibited than your unfettered imagination, which is very un-Mexican of me since Mexico’s gestalt is death. It is no surprise that Mexicans spawned the cult of Santa Muerte. They have embraced the Katrina – the death cartoon https://www.learner.org/courses/globalart/work/124/index.html and La Pascualita, the formerly living mannequin.
Perhaps that is why I’m also impressed with T4C, the death nurse.
I have made my own limited views known; I lean to the left politically and to the right spiritually. Until the day we are safely in our casket, I can’t say for sure whether you or I shall live or die. My only hope is to see God. After that, come what may.
EC
“My only hope is to see God.” ——– EC
You will.
“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” —– MT 5:8
That a promise — one of the most powerful in all the Bible. There is one key question to ponder. Is Jesus talking about seeing God AFTER we die? Or, BEFORE we die? If before … how awesome is that??!! I’ll leave that answer for you to decide.
Stucky finally died. Stop me if you’ve heard this one. He appeared before the High Court. Beside him stood Ann Coulter.
– This can’t be heaven, I would have expected a more buxom woman like Stormy as my reward. OTOH, it ain’t hell since she isn’t Hillary.
– BB got that one
– You heard that?
– We know all your thoughts
– Can she hear me?
– No
– Then I must be her reward, that’s kinda flattering
– She lived all her life as a spinster, she prayed often for a man, this is the best we can do considering her politics..
– And I’m him, well, I suppose I can satisfy her needs for eternity. Guess I wasn’t so bad since this punishment seems pretty lenient.
– You will satisfy her needs, see, she never had a man of her own to nag and now as her reward, she can nag you for eternity. Welcome to Stucky hell.
My faith has been tested and I have watched as the Holy One of Israel healed my 5 year old Granddaughter after I ran her over with my old John Deere tractor . Well over 5000# of tractor . I saw rich men of great wealth weeping at the bedside of bald cancer stricken children and yet my baby girl was brought back from the very brink of death through no power of my own . I can never stop believing even if every person on earth is faithless . I was given only 2 months to live on January 4th , 1990 after being diagnosed with a football size tumor around my liver . The whole world may choose not to believe but as for me and my house , we will serve the Lord ! Come what may !
The Holy One of ISRAEL (pbuh) told me you will die of stupidity on Jan 4th, 2019.
God will not be mocked, herr stukfuk. Your time is coming.
“God will not be mocked, herr stukfuk. Your time is coming.”
Do you mean death? Ummmm …. we ALL die.
Or, do you mean my fate AFTER death … where, you know, a hypersensitive God who gets offended at the rantings of a semi lunatic Austrian decides to torture me for trillions upon trillions of years with fire, worms that never die, and various other forms of torture? Okey dokey, then!
Later, perhaps you can also tell me about the all encompassing all powerful Love of God? I love those stories.
Mock away, herr stukfuk. Your intellectual dishonesty is only exceeded only by the sheer hubris with which you mishandle and mistreat the truth of god’s word.
Nowhere in the bible does it say anyone will be tormented for eternity, except the devil, the beast, and the anti-christ. Everything else you say is a pigment of your imagination, the same as all your other lies.
From now on, your name will be herr stfukfuk (herr shut the f**k up fuk), censor me, you POS.
Looks like someone got their panties in a bunch. I don’t censor low IQ assholes. I let everyone glory in your ignorance and idiocy. Keep going.
AlphaDolt – guess you missed a bit of Sunday school. Matthew 25 clearly talks about eternal damnation. You should stick to something you know, like fellating goats and such. Your Biblical knowledge is lacking.
“Nowhere in the bible does it say anyone will be tormented for eternity,”
——-Alpha Dumbass
You’re just not very bright, are you?
” … whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment ….. whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire ………. for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body go into hell …….. fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell …… it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched …. where the worm NEVER DIES …” ———— Jesus
You are not atypical of a fanatical Believer …. cursing, mocking, busting a vein in your neck calling down all manner of evil invectives upon those with whom you disagree.
HAHAHAHAHA!! You have no idea, really, how much it delights me that I get under your paper thin skin.
“Pigment of your imagination”__________ADHD
Interesting, he is almost as much fun as Bobby Blowjob Fennigan.
After The Flood in Genesis God said he’d never wipe us out by flood again. He did not say he wouldn’t allow us to wipe ourselves out.
Mikey, if you had bothered to read the rest of the book, the earth will be destroyed by fire.
EC
How could a loving God condemn members of his creation to eternity in the Lake of Fire?
This is Stucky’s question.
It is also the question that Lucifer asked of God when he was sentenced to the Lake of Fire after his failed rebellion in prehistory.
The Adamic creation is merely the appeal trial of Satan’s sentence. Once again creatures are given free will, and once again chose to sin by disobeying God. Mankind is derived of the Adamic creation. But God’s love gave mankind an “out”.
All it takes is for one person of free will to, of his own volition, believe and rely upon Jesus Christ to wash away their sins, and he or she is granted eternal life with God. This Satan always had, but rejected in rebellion.
In so doing, the love of God is proven and Satan’s appeal is denied. That a portion of the human race is blessed is a bonus. Each of us are bit players in this drama with various degrees of visible importance to the trial. I’m relatively invisible, and I’m okay with that.
There is no threat, that is a prehistorical reality. But there is that promised “out” we can choose to embrace or reject with our eyes wide open.
It is your choice. Each individual actor has a role of their own choosing. I have made my choice to accept the love of God.
So you accept Jesus and it makes your shit sandwich taste better. You have to make it through a sometimes for you and always horrible life for others in order to die and sit at the right hand of the father. That is the hook that keeps everyone believers. Do yourself a favor and read the earth chronicles.
Let’s see, believers outnumber athiests/humanists/whatever on this site by a factor of over 2 to 1.
You don’t understand that which you deride. Why is that?
“How could a loving God condemn members of his creation to eternity in the Lake of Fire? This is Stucky’s question. ”
Nope. That was NOT my question.
Thanks for playing but next time reading for comprehension.
Sorry Stucky, but cursing the creator because the created decide to commit mass suicide just doesn’t fly.
The Creator gave us two sparks of His divine essence: the ability to create new life and ability to choose or own destiny. We are busily short-circuiting the former by misusing the latter. Deviant sexuality, abortion, short-sighted materialism, and a host of other attributes of a death culture are destroying the life-giving ties that bind us to Him who is the source of all that is. It is the willful severing of those bonds that is the source of human misery. What we do, we do to ourselves.
Free will remains with each and every one of us to the moment of our death. The fact that we misuse the gift given is no cause to indict the giver. Choosing poorly, or wrongly as an individual or as a people merely illustrates the limitations inherent in the created. Turning on God exposes no weakness or evil in Him. It only magnifies what is lacking in us.
“Sorry Stucky, but cursing the creator because the created decide to commit mass suicide just doesn’t fly.”
Pretty weak argument.
1) God works through peoples and nations. Read the OT where God has used various nations to punish Israel. Or God uses Israel to annihilate nations. Now, suddenly, God no longer does so? We do it to ourselves? A convenient way to let Him off the hook, I’d say.
2) I would bet ten thousand dollars that you believe God was involved with America right from the beginning. That He helped establish this nation. The Puritans and Pilgrims and all that. And that our Founding Fathers were most Christian. And that the Constitution is influenced by Biblical precepts. Maybe even Manifest Destiny. I’ll even bet you believe, or can be convinced to believe, that God chooses leaders of countries (cuz that is Biblical), and that God had a hand in Donald Trump’s victory. Yes, I think you do because even though I don’t know you, I do know very many Christians, and the idea that God has blessed, and continues to bless the USA, is a very wide spread belief. Indeed, God uses America to do His will!
BUT!!! BIG BUT!!!! If America causes near human extinction — it’s the 20000 nukes between America and Russia that cause Nuclear Winter —- well, in THAT case it’s not God’s fault, it is entirely America’s fault (and Russia). Again, such belief is very convenient … give God the Glory when he blesses America from mountains to fruited plain / then let God escape justice when his people destroy the world. You people have the best of both worlds.
3) If you saw that your three year old daughter was about to drink poison, and you did nothing about it except watch her do it –1) you would probably be convicted by a human court of something; perhaps even accessory to murder because we all know a parent has a legal and moral obligation regarding the welfare of their child, and 2) and every person in the world would think you’re an evil fucken scumbag. This is how it should be.
Why should it be different for God? Is there a separate moral code for God? You’re seriously OK with a God who COULD stop human genocide, but chooses not to … just because He can? This aloof, I-don’t-give-a-shit God is appealing to people?
I’m glad that works for you, but I just don’t understand this Divine Stockholm Syndrome.
Why do people never respond to your very specific questions?
Q1; If only 10 000 people out of the current billions survive, they will probably be Polynesians or Inuit so the god they believe in will be Molokuku the volcano God or some great white walrus god. People like to believe in something while they are sitting staring at a volcano or eating frozen seal eyeballs.
I don’t qualify to answer Q2
Why do people never respond to your very specific questions?
Because they don’t accept Stucky’s presuppositions. That’s why.
Or God may make himself manifest to the survivors to bring back believers. You never know.
“Why do people never respond to your very specific questions?”
It’s a knee-jerk reaction to an unpleasant scenario.
Very very few people … well, specifically, Christians … who read the scenario will actually even think for even 5 seconds the implications of the near extinction of humanity. Instead, they will skip over that inconvenient truth and rush headlong fast and furious into DEFENDING their God, or their own belief in this God.
And then the sermonizing starts. You can clearly see this in many of the answers. Did I ask for theology lessons? Nope. But, defending God is a virtue. Questioning God, if not done correctly, is a very bad sin. And getting angry and pissed at God? Well, it is clear I am possessed by Satan. lol
A HUGE part of the equation, that is not mentioned in your summary, is who are these 10,000 survivors and how did they come to be together. Were they already a community that was somehow spared or were they spared one by one and gradually coalesced, like in The Stand? It makes all the difference.
I really don’t have any new or inciteful answers to you question Stuck, but it got me thinking, so I made a longer comment, but it seemed to fit better on the Zman’s post.
“Believe in a god who allowed, or could not prevent, 7+ billion people to die a horrible death? That god can go fuck himself.”
I concur. As to the bible, it is a work of fiction. If God exists then this power or energy known as God is so much bigger than any God man could think of, and without human attributes.
P.S. Many Jews became atheists after WWII. Why is that?
Mocking and denying God is probably the most foolish thing that a man can do.
Bolsheviks dude. Wake the fuck up.
Of course people would still believe in God, thinking God spared them and ignoring any possible culpability on God’s part for 7 billion deaths. That’s what the deeply religious do: attribute wonderful things to God and horrible things to “free will.” What a pile of shit!
As for question 2, if one of those 10,000 came up to me and said something like, “It’s a miracle God saved us!” there’d be 9,999 of us left.
Many Germans stopped believing in Hitler after WWII. Why is that?
Do you believe in Trump? Maybe he can save you.
The book review is a piece of fiction and some of you coneheads are ready to blame God? It’s fiction, not prophesy. No, man will not destroy the Earth, because God say’s he will do it with a cleansing fire along with the all the evil rudiments at the end of this age.
If God plans to destroy the earth with a cleansing fire, can’t you just use a boat and go into the middle of a lake or into the ocean and then survive and return to the land? And I ask that as a Christian. Sorry, but I don’t believe that prophecy relates to the end of the world.
q1) A scenario where science and civilization is destroyed would, I think, aid in a resurgence in belief in a God (defined as some sort of supernatural power/creator, etc.) as there would be little to counter such a belief left. It would provide all sorts of benefits such as an easy explanation for why things are they way they are, hope for a better future or after-life, etc.
q2) You posit that I was a believer before the earth was destroyed: – If I was a true believer then I would still be a believer afterwards. If I stop being a believer afterwards then I wasn’t a real believer before. Therefore the question answers itself.
Don’t assume my position on God from the above. I just trying to answer the questions.
Q1: there will always be a belief in God because the evidence is shown throughout all of creation, that a design and complexity exists well beyond simple chance or evolution.
Q2: Okay, I will play….. I would say in your scenario that true Christianity could not survive. There were dozens of prophecies about the coming of Christ -most of which he could not have fulfilled on purpose (events involving his birth and manner of death.) ALL of them came to pass and were fulfilled. There are hundreds of others concerning his return “lest no living creature remain” These are well into their fulfillment or actively aligning. If Christ doesn’t return and save mankind from his self destruction before your scenario, then Finally, the atheists would have a real argument against the truth of God and his graciousness in giving us the redemptive Jesus Christ.
Pointless rituals and mindless superstitions have always been introduced as some level of control over the masses .
The more well off in every society somehow find a way to convince the ignorant masses that by serving the more well offs intrests the masses are pleasing the “GOD or GODS or COSMIC MUFFINS” .
When I speak of the more well off it is not just material wealth it’s also intellect and cunning . Possessing the powers of persuasion over others by convincing them some ill will could befall them but VOTE FOR ME AND I WILL SET YOU FREE ! It’s all same shit different day . From snake oil sales to faith healers in tents and wagons to satillette broadcasts around the globe in 17 languages the message is the same “JUST SEND MONEY” wow I feel better already !
The faith I have found is to attempt to do good works for my fellow humans help the ones when I can and attempt to advise the young ways to avoid the many pitfalls in life . If that is not enough then perhaps the mythical hell will be my destiny . Remember one absolute anyone claiming to have the one and only truth and path to GOD and salvation , run away as fast as you can at best they are full of shit and at worst will lead you down a path you are not looking for and will be engulfed before you realize what just hit you between the eyes !
GOD or GODS or COSMIC MUFFINS
Good one Boat Guy. Sparing a guess I’d say Lord Odin would have a laugh or two at that one…
Your philosophy is wise. If more would follow that there would be fewer aimless souls walking this earth..
Forget Me Not
Q1: No, because war definitely changes the way people think, believe, and behave from one of building for the future to #YOLO #FOMO.
Q2: I don’t even believe in Christ now. I have never met him and most likely never will.
Don’t forget the living cell. From that all life appears in it’s different forms from a proprioceptive process only known in the cell. And science can’t break into it and find out the process because once the cell is broken into it dies.
Is the development of the cell performed by a higher intelligence? An intelligence we call the creator? Man lives on the surface of an actualization we call the earth. This earth is made up of atoms in aggregate form accessible to our sense perception. Did the same higher intelligence form the earth we live on from the atoms?
Atoms and cells form our world and ourselves. We were given religion to let us know that a higher intelligence exists that has functions and a will.
Man was created by this higher intelligence as a being with functions and a will. Hmmmm. Sure seems like this higher intelligence is in the process of creating a family. Could the trinity be a sign to us of a family relationship? Is the Holy Ghost female?
But then man crossed this higher intelligence and some became the Devil and his helpers.
And I heard the voice of the Devil: “I am Evil”, he said, “at least so far as Evil can exist in the best of worlds. In order to see me, one must be able to see unfairly, incorrectly and narrowly. (hmmm… sounds like our political leaders and their followers) I close the triangle, the other two sides of which are Death and Time. In order to quit this triangle it is necessary to see that it does not exist. But how to do this is not for me to tell. For I am the Evil which men say is the cause of all evil and which they invented as an excuse for all the evil that they do. They call me the Prince of Falsehood, and truly I am the prince of lies, because I am the most monstrous production of human lies.”
So we need to wake up and see we are the cause of our own problems. Our religious leaders need to stop babbling about false notions they created out of religion and tell us the truth. The Devil has them in his grasp because they have willingly become 501c organizations that answer to his government. So they have to keep their mouths shut concerning the doings of the government of the Devil or their pulpits will be shut down.
We have become a nation of lies which feed into the lie of the apocalypse which we will cause if we don’t quit the triangle of Devil, Death and Time. And Time is running short.
We need a new religion that will speak the truth and dissolve the triangle that oppresses us and causes our will-lessness.
We have come to worship the government and it’s money system. The higher intelligence that created our world resides within us. It is not of this world but is in it because it created it. When we wake up and throw out all the lies inside us that we have come to believe we will then have access to the Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom of God is within us but we have filled ourselves with so many lies we cannot see it.
The apocalypse is only a potentiality in Eternity along with an infinite number of potentialities. When we start to believe this rubbish about the apocalypse spewed out of the mouths of so many ministers we are accepting determinism. Eternity is multivalent so don’t buy into determinism.
The world needs a new religion. The others have served their purpose in time. Human consciousness has evolved and needs a new and higher perspective on God and higher intelligence in the universe. Humanity needs to abandon the two term logic of polar opposites called Good & Evil and move on to the three term notion of the trinity as relationship.
Relationship is a feature of the universe. Polarity is a feature of Evil. Human consciousness has to rid itself of this evil; especially in the political class. Then this country can form true relationships with other countries. Then we can avoid actualizing the potentiality of apocalypse that so many ministers of Christianity are hell bent on seeing come true.
Vast numbers of Christians attend services that do not even have a building or collect”offerings” or tithes.
I attend one of these… just a few dozen followers of Christ meeting in homes and when the group becomes too large, our cell splits and a new group is formed… I do not practice organized religiosity… I am a follower of Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Stucky
I saw you asked Admin to release this today and not yesterday. Why? You said today was the perfect day. Why? Is it because you believe Sunday is the sabbath? Even the pope knows Saturday is the true sabbath.
Honestly, I don’t give a rat’s ass about when the Sabbath is, or is not.
Me, myself, and I are choosing Sunday to post religious type topics pretty much out of habit and tradition … nothing any deeper than that.
No worries, I was just wondering.
Already happened to Noah’s world and here we are, it survived.
Yeah, but Bill Cosby is in deep shit.
Noah’s world.
Funny that the Chinese, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Ancient Indians didn’t seems to notice the worlwide flood that wiped them out.
Rdawg, you need to study history more. EVERY ancient culture has a flood story, from India to China to Mesopotamia to the Native Americans. The Chinese actually have an ancient ritual in which the King returns to the shore every year to thank the one true God for sparing the people. I was a history major and even secular colleges teach this. Bad argument. It’s documented fact.
Yep. Trouble is, the timelines don’t match up.
You see, I DID study it Vicky.
And by the way, that’s what all of these are: stories. Not real events.
I was an engineering major. We deal in facts. I took a history course as an elective in University. It was the easiest course I ever had by a long shot and frankly, a fucking joke.
It depends on whose timeline you study. The current Egyptian timeline has been questioned by many. The timeline offered by Immanuel Velikovsky seems to bring history more into alignment, which also aligns with the Bible, though that wasn’t his intent.
Yes, I agree a lot of history in college is a joke. It’s basically the rudiments and the current political flavor of the day. But when you have to do extensive research on your own and write papers in your major and make presentations, you find more than the joke. History can be found in various areas, not just the library at your college, which can be extensive, but it includes newspapers, criminal court records, government documentation, church archives, and on and on. The truly old stuff, stuff like the English Assizes, would be interesting to study, which I haven’t had a chance to do but would like to. History is everywhere, so I lot to take into consideration.
Edit: By the way, your initial argument was that these areas “didn’t seem to notice the worldwide flood that wiped them out,” and now you say their flood stories don’t match up. Very suspicious argument.
Rdawg, and any other nonbelievers, aside from the flood, here’s a good article for you to read on the birth of Jesus taken from the Lew Rockwell site.
Edit: In addition, here’s a video on the fact that Jesus was actually in the tomb for three days and three nights, versus 2 days.
I most definitely don’t trust anyone who claims God talks to them. I know of many a preacher who runs that racket.
Believe in answered prayers.
When there is an insurmountable problem, make the call, sometimes it takes a while to get the answer because we are simply not listening.
Our understanding of the word is limited by our openness to God.
I don’t believe anyone that says God talks to him and tells him things that are contradictory to his word in the Bible.
Or, more correctly, I don’t trust the “god” he is talking to.
Satan is referred to (in the Bible) as “the ruler of this world” and “the god of this world”. That he talks to people and people listen to him should be obvious.
The question seems another version of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin etc.
It brings to mind the old saw about how can God allow this or that horrible thing? He replies, “I sent thousands who could have done X,Y, or Z but you aborted them, you murdered them, mocked them, ignored them etc. Remember the free will I also gave you? Not sure that road test is working out real well.”
If all knowledge of God disappeared in such a disaster at some point He would again reveal Himself to a future generation.
Q1. If humans own fire, then yes, they will see it as a living thing, capable of consuming, dancing and creating. A flame burning, crackling under a star filled night. There must be more, they will say, there are things here that are magic, we’ll call it Dog. Dog will enable us to see and protect us from the things that creep in the darkness. Dog will warm us and cook our food. Praise Dog.
Q2. NA
It really could be the way it all started…I guess.
Sorry Stuck, but you don’t get to decide what God is and isn’t allowed to do. God is God and you’re not.
” …you don’t get to decide what God is and isn’t allowed to do. God is God and you’re not.”
Wow. That’s deep. Real fucken deep. I’m NOT God?? Yeah, well fuck you and the horse you rode in on. lol
I see thirty down votes in your future.
pFFT 30 downvotes is chump change around here Goyboi.
Get back to plagiarizing another book.
I even will help, cuz Odin would want it that way. Here is a suggestion. A bit of truth to help see the sermon that flows from that amazing thought that wrote dismissing everyone else as less worthy…..
you wrote, I think..
…you don’t get to decide what God is and isn’t allowed to do. God is God and you’re not.
Geeze all I can add to that is according to Prophet Flash Philosophy class is no longer needed. Send out the Memo to Higher Education. The second Moses has come down from Mount and told everyone to forgetaboutit. And why?
Because reasons..
In the meantime Flash, best not be hanging around with the riff raff here on TBP. You need to git to work pronto writing an addenda to the NT. I have decided to write a short lyric, with the help and guidance of the Mighty and Wondrous Odin, to help inspire you in writing your screed…
You have my permission and cut and paste.
Might you start it like this…
The Book of Flash
1:1
In the Beginning
there be a Flash of light
He doesn’t ask questions
And won’t told no lies
As for the reasons
Well he just looks to sky
Where the world is easy
Where colours are heard
because the shades are drawn
With Light of black and white
Behold Flash the new Prophet
who wallows in his blather
all the while dismissing
the hows and the whens,
the wheres and the whys.
…the end!
annnnnnd you’re welcome.
Yours in Odin,
RiNS
You may not believe this but your Words are truly INSPIRED by da Holee Spirit. Thousands of years from now your computer will be found in some cave by archaeologists and your Inspired Words will be added to da Holee Scriptures somewhere in Genesis …. and thou shalt be known as Saint RiNS the Benevolent, Son of Odin.
That has a nice ring to it. I might cut and paste that one Herr Stuck. As for inspiration, well I owe much to my good buddy Flash.
Even atheists have religion. Religion and humanity can not be divorced from each other. If we throw out God we start worshiping ourselves as gods and the mother earth god the next day.
This world was never meant to be permanent. In less than a billion years the sun will strip away our atmosphere like un pealing a banana as it becomes a dwarf star. Everything is temporary. Therefore does it really matter whether you live 10 minutes or 100,000 years? There’s no escaping the outcome.
And who’s to say what’s on the other side? We mourn people who die, but what if the other side is some nirvana that makes this place literally like living in a septic tank? Would we mourn the dead at that point or envy them? No one has ever asked the dead if they prefer life. No one ever asked Lazarus which he preferred.
That’s correct. During the 1st century, people rejoiced when a Christian died. They didn’t cry when a child died because the child would go to heaven without having to further endure their earthly existence. Christians aren’t supposed to fear death. They are supposed to welcome it so they can be with their Lord. But they should also not seek martyrdom.
Q1: No. The institutions that corrupted the word GOD would not be around to influence the new generations. But the genes carried in the DNA from past generations would create the true GOD of humanity to worship. The Devil.
Q2: The God of the old testament; is he not an angry, spiteful and mean God? Why wouldn’t he let billions die? Are they not Devil worshipers who value gold and pleasure over the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?
Have to hand it to you Stucky. You really put God on the hot seat! Better watch out for that lightning bolt.
God and the devil don’t speak to me in person, but I think I hear them through you people.
That’s George Carlinesque!
Are you hearing voices? The Devil speaks to all of us. He is in our nature. But we can choose not to listen to him. Many do listen to him.
The problem with humanity is our negative thoughts. We don’t want to purge them from our consciousness. So the Devil in us plays with them and we get into all sorts of trouble with each other. Then we blame others for our troubles and can’t form solid relationships.
God blesses.
One thing I learned from drowning and crossing over briefly back in 1978 is that we’re all pieces of God. You can either accept that or deny it, but your choice will have a huge impact on your life here on Earth.
I never could square the old and new testaments, sounds like two different Gods, but I guess we have to remember the “Human” filter has its effects.
And on the topic of “end times” books, I vote for “Dies the Fire” by S.M. Stirling. It’s the first book in a whole series called “Emberverse”. I’ve read 3 of them.
“For survivors of a mysterious event that caused electricity, internal combustion engines, and gunpowder to fail, the Pacific Northwest furnishes enough land to support subsistence existence in a future that belongs not to today’s rifle-toting survivalists but to people who know older ways”
Beliefs are like assholes, everybody’s got one. Make Truth your bitch and you’ll know.
Since I believe in Christ Jesus now because I know just about everything I once believed was / is a damn lie. From this spinning , every expanding universe to the big bang to evolution to Aliens coming to help mankind .Even the moon landings were staged in a studio according the Director Stanley Kubick .I think that’s the way you spell his name.He made the movie 2001 in 1968. Google it or him making his Confession. I died not long after admitting he helped NASA carry out the hoax upon the world.
“I died not long after admitting he helped NASA carry out the hoax upon the world.”
Rest in Peace, BB!
oH
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say it ain’t so,
My Lil’ trucker has gone to the Big Stop in the Sky. Anyhoo seeing as you are now warming a seat in Valhalla how bout ya say hello to Odin fer me Beebs! Ya have to admit ain’t he great.
Do yer best, don’t drink too much and save some whores for me.. See ya soon!
Yours in Odin,
RiNS
LOL.
Now to answer Stucky.We are living in the last days heading towards the end of time as we know it. There will be no ” survivers” on the old earth .You will on the new earth with Christ or you will be in Hell. Please don’t come to me with any bullshit. I know what I believe and why I believe it.I know 95% of shit I believed before Christ was lies.
Not hell, the lake of fire is reserved for the devil, the beast, and the anti-christ. It is the second death for the hapless souls who rejected the truth of God’s word, and they will be no more, burned up like chaff.
Spirit is life, and as such, is eternal. If you have spirit, you have eternal life, it’s that simple. If you don’t have spirit, your name is not in the book of life at the resurrection, then you will be cast into the lake of fire, and burned up. Unfortunately for the devil and his minion, they are spirit, and as such, will be tormented in the lake of fire for all of eternity.
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.” 1 Cor 13:12 ESV
Becoming a Christian was/ is the hardest thing I ever went through in my life .It never ends . It’s a daily spiritual battle that is hard for me to face even with prayer . At least now I know the truth . Thanks Stuck .Good post.?
Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.
Fuck Jerusalem! and the servants of yaldabaoth.
They say god gave man free will. What psychopathic motherfuckers drunk with power do with it affects us all. It seems the world we live in has exceeded all the checks on these bastards. Maybe it’s stupidity, or maybe just apathy on the population’s part. Look… a squirrel. Methinks Darwin was overly optimistic. That which cannot continue, wont. Hopefully at least a few of them will come to a sudden stop at the end of a long fall with a short rope before it all goes bad.
One foot in front of the other. Hopefully, but not necessarily always, in a positive direction, until I cant continue any longer is all I can do about anything. I make plans & god laughs. God doesn’t micromanage everything (or anything) in the universe. Try petitioning him for a new Ferrari, a woman with an oral fixation, the winning lottery number, your neighbor to stop kicking his chihuahua, or for a bottom feeding politico to do the right thing. Let me know how that works out. Some background music while we wait…
John Conway invented ‘The Game of Life’. A presumably infinite-sized checkerboard (our universe, ‘space-time’) in which each individual ‘cell’ has a simple, specific program. Referred to as ‘cellular automata’. Given enough time, and space, these ‘cells’ are able to produce ‘saucers’, motherships, cannons, and an entire array of oddities. There is now a ‘game of life’ in the game of life’, and self-reproducing objects are now being generated.
The point of all this: Every time I see a bird, I realize it’s just a simple pattern of cells, following a simple program. ‘Randomness’ is not really random. Everything ‘alive’ we see around us is simply a conglomerate of binary digits running their programs.
I like to watch my solar lights pop on in the evening. Simple, electronic circuits, programmed to ‘come on’ at dark, each coming on at slightly different times according to their specific thresholds.
All humans are are ‘avatars’ running ‘programs’. The superstitions we have developed over the aeons are just that: fallacies.
Now, this is not to say that we aren’t being manipulated by some unseen yet very real forces. The ‘god’ everyone worships on planet earth is the extraterrestrial race that spliced our number 2 gene from a chimp and created us.
The ‘god’ that may be manipulating us may be some other-dimensional being created just as we were during the big bang. Or, maybe this ‘god’ is completely outside our ‘universe’ (controlling it’s avatar- YOU- from outside our electromagnetic reality.
90 percent of our universe is filled with ‘invisible-to-us’ dark energy. We can’t see it and don’t have the foggiest clue what it is.
Perhaps it’s the gravitational field being generated in the next-higher iteration of our little ‘game of life’ computer game we’re living in.
All in all, in summary then, mankind is a puny, small-minded shit-stain on the ass of some higher, more fundamental reality.
What that reality is, is anyone’s guess, and it’s looking more and more like that’s all we’ll ever really have…..guesses.
But to think that the creator of (all there is…the universe, all other universes….)sent his ‘son’ in the form of a ‘human’ to this one measly sand-grain of a planet to ‘save us from our sins’ is simply suffering from delusional cognitive-dissonance.
Oh, and by the way…..God sure needs a lot of money. Why is that?
I was just in a Walmart. The end is coming. Oh yes. Then end is coming.
Q1: General: In a world virtually totally destroyed by war, with only 10,000 humans left alive …. will the first and subsequent generations (those who never knew the world before it was destroyed) still have a belief in God?
— If so, why? Which God will prevail this time?
A1: There is a God Gene in everyone. Look around at the malaise that is modern life. Folks claim to be secular yet cling to their Trump Derangement Syndrome with a fervour no different to a Televangelist on old time Gospel hour. As to which God would prevail. Well that is easy. The one that causes them to think the least. That is why revealed religions such as Feminism, Islam and Christianity have such magnetic appeal.
The Thou shalts are all laid out
so that even a dumbfuck moran
sees it all in Black and White
would be able to understand
what in the hell its all about…
Q2: Specific, to Believers: You were a Believer before the Earth was destroyed. You are one of the 10,000 who survived. Do you still believe in Jesus, and that he loves us, and that he will return to Earth to establish his thousand year rule?
A2: This question is offside Stucky cuz…..
Only difference is I am a Shit Monkee with benefits.. Still if it matters Jesus would still luv us even if Lord Odin thought we deserved our comeuppance and knowing that that guy from Nazareth was a pussy…
As always, with the greatest respect and of course,
Yours in Odin,
RiNS
GOD — (that would be Odin) — BLESS YOU Herr RiNS!!!
You actually answered the damned question. One of precious few to actually do so. That’s really nice, and I mean that. Good answers. May you have many more whores than you can handle when you recline in Valhalla.
Thanks Stucky!
And thanks for the Best Wishes on the Whores.
That said if you do get there first make sure to save some for me!
I don’t agree completely with you, RiNS, but I gave you a thumbs up because I love the Monkeys.
All it takes is a Bible to survive and someone to find it. Boom, God will manifest himself to a new generation. And if at least one Christian is left among the remnant, then Christianity will continue.
As to your question, I don’t believe the prophesies of the end of earth. I don’t believe in a tribulation. I believe a different scenario is offered in the Bible. And the Bible says Jesus will come back “like a thief in the night.”
Saint Trumpski may be losing his fucking mind. Really.
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Twitter late Sunday night issued a warning to the US president earlier in the day. Then Saint Trumpski tweeted this … CAPS ARE HIS!
“To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE”
This comes after Saint Trumpski in a CNBC interview on Thursday warned that he will make Vladimir Putin the “worst enemy he has ever had” if their relationship breaks down.
And someone above said that the premise of the book will never come to pass? HA!! Trumpski is fucken crazy. If anyone could initiate a WWIII Nuke War that wipes out the human race it’s Comrade Donald Trumpski!!!
Then again, maybe those two latest tweets are just more fucking 4D Chess.
Stuck, a bit of dramatic tweeting is preferable to Bush 2 ordering an entire nation obliterated because Saddam threatened Poppy Bush. I have gone so far to the edge of worry that I finally came out on the edge of hope. My hope is that Trump and Putin can negotiate some form of world peace where the US withdraws NATO from the former USSR satellites. Of course, my fear is that he will use these same troops and equipment in the ME. That seems like a Patton move to me. Still, Trump cannot fight a war in the South China Sea and another with Russia. That, my friend, would be madness.
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Trump tweets and Bibi smiles and thinks, “That’s my boy!”
They have a amendment that will handle that Stucky. He is starting to remind me of the governor in Blazing Saddles……..Could I get a harrumph?
You can’t beat Harvey Korman for comedy. As he’s trying to put the pen in the ink stand, saying, “Help me put this in,” Korman says, “Just think of your secretary.” LOL.
Stucky it’s just parallel universe multi-dimensional chess. Trump isn’t a shallow egomaniac whose breath smells of Jewish cock, it just seems that way. The smartest think tank in the world (The Anons) have declared Trump the savior of Amerika. After he locks up all the pedos and criminals in DC, and gets rid of the Federal Reserve, and takes all their money and gives it back to the people, it will be all unicorns and rainbows. I can hardly wait. What are you going to wear to the parade?
“What are you going to wear to the parade?”
Homo Austrians wear Lederhosen.
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I agree with you, Stucky, that religion will prevail due to the predisposition of humans to create stories to explain shit they can’t reason out.
I think Nature-based gods will be created to explain (and house) all the important information needed to survive a hunter-gatherer existence. Eventually, a subset of the population will give up (or will be incapable of) reasoning it out and will seek an authority figure to give them direction. Gods fill that need nicely. So the stories will morph into Divine Edicts from TheFlyingSpaghettiMonster and the purpose for society survival will still be met.
I have received a Word from The Lord in my dreams last night.
The Lord said to me that whomsoever makes the 100th comment on this Blessed Thread shall be forgiven of all their sins forevermore and shall dwell in a heavenly mansion forever.
Then the Lord came to me a second time just before I awoke. He said the first dream does not apply to AlphaDelta, henceforth known as AlphaDumbass for he has sold his soul to Satan.
Lies. Is this the same fucker that promised the signed Satanic Bible to the 200th commenter on one of your threads last year?
‘Cause that turned out to be bullshit. I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation though.
I’m hoping that Ditchner would do a fly-by.
I think your offer of a lifetime remission of sins is BS. How low can you go? It’s a cheap ploy to get to 100. It’s over, baby. those days of hitting 200 and 300 comments easily are gone.
100. I win
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Fake it til you make it.
Nice Try Varmit!
Ya think? Maybe without Maggie to run up the comments, you are right.
“Maybe without Maggie to run up the comments …”
WHERE IS MAGGIE???????????????????
I’m dead serious. Did I miss a post where she said she was gonna be absent for a while? Or, did she just disappear? Or, did someone piss her off? Or, did she just tire of posting? Really, what the hell is going on here?
Stucky- She did a hit and run in the 70’s article. was that about a week and a half ago?
She and Nick are doing a lot of projects on their land this summer.
Fuck it
Goin’ to the promised land. 100 for reall!
******************** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ************************
I was really hoping one of my buds was gonna be #100. I’m really glad it’s you!!!
I’m also going to heaven. I won a contest a few years ago. I mastered my domain. We’re gonna have a blast. There’s no sex in heaven so, your Whores For Odin will come in real handy.
I did my best to get folks like AlphaDelta twisting their panties in a knot. Nice to see that meltdown. It makes the hard work writing limericks all worthwhile..
Geeze no sex in heaven . Well that does it. I’ll still go, I guess, but I will be slipping out the door a couple times a week to head on over to Valhalla for a beer and some Ladies…
It will still be great!
Like grade inflation, TBP crypto coin rewards for hitting 100 are now become a tour to the promise land in the great beyond. This is palpable BS! What’s next, an all expenses paid tryst with a Japanese sex-doll?
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