The Takata Airbag Recall Fiasco

Guest Post by Eric Peters

A reader asked me about dealing with the known-to-be-dangerous – the defective – air bag in her vehicle. Since there are more than 40 million vehicles “affected,” her questions – and my answer – may be of general interest:

Pris asks: There’s an airbag recall for my 2005 Corolla. A truck I bought in the late ’90s was easy to “fix” – open the fuse panel; AIRBAG was fuse #18; pull it out; done. When I bought the Corolla the fuse box wasn’t obvious, so disabling the airbags was forgotten until Toyota started sending notices about the recall.  Last week I found both fuse boxes, but AIRBAG isn’t one of the labels; ABS is as close as it gets, but those are for the brake system, yes? Is there a fuse for the airbags? If it is relatively quick I prefer to remove the things completely, or at least the inflater part. Whatever, apparently these airbags are dangerous well beyond the usual damage they cause to your face and neck; I need to disable them one way or another, and I don’t think Toyota will do that for me.  ?

My reply: I agree with you about the bags, as you probably already know!

These “safety” devices can in fact (not opinion) be very dangerous. Lethal, even. And not just the “defective” ones. The ones that work perfectly can break bones, detach retinas and worse. More people have been badly hurt – and killed – by exploding air bags than by exploding Pintos much less VW diesels – which haven’t harmed anyone. But the government crucified VW  and the company had to stop selling the “affected” cars entirely.

And as the car ages, the chances of something going wrong increase because air bags and all the associated components age (and wear) over time, too. The bag might not work at all. Or it might “work” when it shouldn’t – like when you’re driving down the road at 70 and it just goes off. This has actually happened and more than once.

With pre air-bag-equipped cars, you never had to worry about any of the above – even if the car was 20 or more years old.

Granted, air bags can and do “save lives.” But given that they can also take them, given that there are other costs associated with them – including replacement costs so high as to make an otherwise sound older car economically unrepairable in the event of a crash – I think it’s outrageous that we’re forced to buy them and not allowed to disable them. I italicize that word to emphasize the point. Who are these people – in government, I mean – to force on us potentially (and often actually) dangerous anything?

I would have no issue with air bags if they were simply made available to people who freely chose to buy them – like lawn darts (for those who remember). But the mandates sticks in my craw for the same reason that forcing people to buy lawn darts would.

Okay, back to your question!

First thing: While I am all for disabling the bag – it’s your vehicle and it’s certainly your life to “risk” (as Clovers style it) be aware that it’s illegal – yes, really – and that if you do so and they notice you’ve done so (via the “SRS” or “air bag” light coming on and staying on or not coming on at all) when you take your car in for saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety inspection – they’ll fail it.

Doesn’t matter that the car is safe.

In the sense that there is nothing mechanically unsound that would increase the chances your losing control and wrecking – such as bad brakes or bald tires.

The air bags are part of the government-mandated suite of factory-installed saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety equipment and must by law be intact and operating. In states that have saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety inspections, a car that doesn’t pass cannot get or renew registration and so is not legal to drive. Without valid and up to date registration, you are vulnerable to being hut! hut! hutted! by an armed government worker – even more dangerous than air bags!

So, if you live in a state that requires saaaaaaaaaaafety inspections, you’re stuck – unless you can rig it so that the “SRS” or “air bag” light illuminates when the car is first started and then goes out after start-up.

The inspector will check for the light.

Second: Leaving aside the above, the air bag in your car may be on a circuit with other accessories and probably is – to thwart what you want to do. Cutting power to the air bag by pulling a fuse may cut power to other things, in other words.

The sort-of good news is that – as you already know – your car is covered under the Takata recall (see here). Toyota – your dealership – will replace the bag(s) in your car with new ones, no less dangerous but at least not defective, at no cost to you.

Eventually.

Something like 40 million cars are “affected” – and it is going to take probably ten years to recall and fix them all. In the meanwhile, people who own these cars are forced by the same government which mandated these saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety devices to drive around in cars known to be very unsafe. These bags can – and have – “deployed” in the same manner as the Claymore mines that take off soldiers’ legs in wartime. They spew shrapnel at high velocity in random directions.

And you’ve got one pointing right at your face. Which the government – the same government which preens so unctuously about saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety – has refused owners permission – the effrontery! – to disable, even temporarily.

In cars where there’s no fuse to pull, it would be necessary to install a switch to cut the airbag(s) out of the loop.

But the government – so very concerned about your saaaaaaaaaaaafety – will not permit this. Your Toyota dealer would be in deep trouble if it did anything to “defeat” the air bags – notwithstanding the fact that they are known to be both defective and dangerous.

Takata – which made the defective bags an supplied them to the manufacturers of all those millions of vehicles – has been sued into ruin, as it deserved to be.

But what about Uncle?

The government – which forced these in-car Claymores on the public and now refuses to allow the public to even temporarily disable them, effectively forcing the owners of these defective and dangerous vehicles to continue risking their lives?

But you can’t sue Uncle – he’s got sovereign immunity.

Too bad the victims of air bags – past and future – don’t enjoy the same privilege.

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Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 8:21 am

New york state inspection does not require functional airbags. Airbags are on a separate circuit all their own. Pull the fuse or find the bag module and unplug it. All the airbag connectors are yellow and labelled srs. It is not illegal to disable airbags on your own car. I have an inspectors license and 7 ASE certifications. In 7 years at the collision shop, and multiple airbag and module replacements, i never saw anyone injured by an airbag. I did however see one that definitely saved a girls life.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
  Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 9:02 am

Perhaps Eric Peters is just making shit up again to make a point?

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers

Different states, different laws. I was just stating fact on ny law. Maybe his state or others differ. I am not trying to imply he is making shit up. Just that he is wrong in ny state.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 2:01 pm

eric’s point is correct–safety eqpt that is for the occupant as opposed to other vehicles should not be required–
the same assholes who push this stuff also want to ban smoking,ban meat,etc.–
as for injuries from airbags,i once had a neighbor whose wife had a collision where someone turned left in front of her & she hit him with the front of her big lincoln–the airbags deployed–both she & her 12/13 yo son looked like somebody had taken a baseball bat to their face–

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
August 25, 2018 8:57 am

Air bags are another automotive joke made in and imported from shithole foreign countries like most of the other parts in new cars. They were foisted upon a public who didn’t want them due to their high costs and who were generally content with seat belts already present.
Also, when they deploy they generally ruin the interior of a car. The collision may be minor enough where the bodywork of the car may be repairable but the costs incurred to replace the airbags and the upholstery et Al. usually results in the vehicle being written off. On the other hand, the very thin sheet metal in today’s unibody cars doesn’t make it any cheaper or easier to repair it, so what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Either way they are all fucking junk, soon to be sold by imperial fiat with an electronic device that will track you every place you go and can never be turned off or removed.

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
  Coalclinker
August 25, 2018 9:07 am

Airbags destroy the interior of the car is an understatement. Passenger side dash bags and side curtain bags shred the dash and seats respectively. They will total an otherwise repairable vehicle. It is illegal to use used srs parts.

It is a great soucre of field and demolition cars and trucks. We buy a couple three wrecked runners each year to jump and destroy, or demo derby. We had a 2011 jeep cherokee this year that popped a dozen bags in a parking lot hit. Bought it for 300 bucks and put it thruogh the ringer for independance day. Then burned it. Good fun. How do i post a pic?

Maggie
Maggie
  Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 9:43 am

Just put your image on a hosting site and paste the link. Hosting sites save Admin’s data/bandwidth/whatever.

https://postimages.org/

I posted a whole how to on using photobucket, then they got really hard to use.

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
  Maggie
August 25, 2018 11:53 am

https://postimg.cc/image/7qbevpja3/

First try. After 2 days. Before burning. After jump. Doors flew open when hit jump, and the glass blew out and doors mostly ripped off on landing. Ripped off rest way with excavator. This is only for the very young at heart.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
August 25, 2018 9:01 am

No mention of the fact that seatbelts in airbag equipped vehicles are designed to stretch more during a collision than the seatbelts designed for non-airbag vehicles?

You can’t just disable the airbag and expect the belt to save you- it will stretch more and you’ll hit the wheel or dash in a serious collision.

Yet another shit-and-piss Eric Peters article.

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers

Thats a new one to me. Are you sure/where did you find that on belt stretch?

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
  Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 11:46 am

I did find that belts and most associated components are single use. Never seen any of that replaced at a dealer or in the aftermarket after a colision. In 25+ years. I wonder how thats going over on monday. Cant not bring it up now that i know.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
  Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
August 25, 2018 12:18 pm

No time to look it up- but read it both in tech articles as well as manufacturer’s written warnings as to why it’s dangerous to drive with non-functional or disabled airbags- the belts have more stretch to lessen injuries from the belt and allow the airbag to do much of the stopping.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
August 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Eric is trying to get people killed.

The seatbelts in airbag equipped vehicles are designed to deform/stretch more than the older non-airbag belts.

That’s why the owners manual says to get your car fixed if the SRS light comes on. Not because only because the airbags aren’t working- because the belts aren’t safe without them!

Subject matter idiot!

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

Actually the only way to effectively and economically have a safe car is to start with a large car of about a 3500 lb. to 4500 lb. weight that rides on a 114″ to 135″ wheelbase, and that has seats that are >60″ wide with an overall car width of just <80". Any discussion of anything else is just a fucking waste of time.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
  Coalclinker
August 26, 2018 3:40 am

Sounds like my ’76 Delta 88 hardtop. The last year of the true land yachts.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

Yes and if that car was sold today its inflation adjusted price would be around $24,000. Nowadays most of the “nice” cars are about the size of a Plymouth Duster,sell for about 1 1/2 times that, and basic repairs in the fuel and ignition systems often cost thousands of dollars. Now you know how much Government regulations added to the price of a car