Balance Sheet of the Forever War

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

Balance Sheet of the Forever War

“It is time for this war in Afghanistan to end,” said Gen. John Nicholson in Kabul on his retirement Sunday after a fourth tour of duty and 31 months as commander of U.S. and NATO forces.

Labor Day brought news that another U.S. serviceman had been killed in an insider attack by an Afghan soldier.

Why do we continue to fight in Afghanistan?

“We continue to fight simply because we are there,” said retired Gen. Karl Eikenberry who preceded Gen. Nicholson.

“Absent political guidance and a diplomatic strategy,” Eikenberry told The New York Times, “military commanders have filled the vacuum by waging a war all agree cannot be won militarily.”

This longest war in U.S. history has become another no-win war.

Yet, if the 14,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan were pulled out, the regime would fall, the Taliban would take over, and the massacres would begin.

So America stays in and soldiers on. For how long?

The 17th anniversary of 9/11, now imminent, appears a proper time to take inventory of our successes and failures in the forever wars of the Middle East into which America was plunged in this new century.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban presence is more pervasive in more provinces than at any time since the regime was overthrown in 2001.

In the seven-year Syrian civil war we helped to ignite by arming rebels to overthrow President Assad, the conflict appears headed for its largest, bloodiest and most decisive battle.

The Syrian army, backed by Russia and Iran, is preparing to attack Idlib province. Three million people live there and 70,000 rebels are encamped, including 10,000 al-Qaida fighters.

In a Monday tweet, President Donald Trump warned Syria against attacking Idlib, and warned Iran and Russia against joining any such attack: “The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy. Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed.” America and Russia both have warships in the Eastern Med.

National Security Adviser John Bolton has warned that Syria’s use of gas in Idlib would trigger a U.S. military response. This is an invitation for the rebels in Idlib to conduct a false-flag gas attack to lure U.S. air power to their side.

Monday in Damascus, the Iranian foreign minister said the time had come to eradicate the terrorist enclave in Idlib. If the Syrians, Russians and Iranians are not bluffing, and the U.S. warnings are serious, we may be headed for a U.S.-Russia clash inside Syria.

Yet, again, what vital interest of ours is imperiled in Idlib province?

On Monday, Saudi Arabia admitted to having made a mistake when, using a U.S.-made fighter-bomber, a school bus was attacked on Aug. 9, killing dozens of Yemeni children in that humanitarian horror of a war.

The Saudi campaign to crush the Houthi rebels and return the previous regime to power in Sanaa could never succeed were it not for U.S.-provided planes, missiles, bombs and air-to-air refueling.

We are thus morally responsible for what is happening.

In Libya, where we overthrew Moammar Gadhafi, rival factions now control Benghazi in the east and Tripoli in the west. August saw fighting break out in the capital, threatening the U.N.-backed unity government there.

In Iraq, which we invaded in 2003 to strip of weapons of mass destruction it did not have, and to bring the blessings of democracy to Mesopotamia, rival factions are struggling for power after recent elections saw pro-Iranian and anti-American forces gain ground.

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency is sinking as a November deadline approaches for Europe to choose between cutting ties to Iran or losing U.S. markets. While the Tehran regime has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz if its oil is denied access to world markets, it faces economic strangulation if it does not submit to U.S. demands.

When one adds up the U.S. dead and wounded from the wars we have launched since 2001 with the Arab and Muslim wounded, killed, orphaned, widowed, uprooted and turned into refugees, as well as the trillions of dollars lost, what benefits are there on the other side of the ledger?

Now we appear to be moving to confront Russia in Ukraine.

In an interview with The Guardian last week, U.S. special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker said Washington is ready to build up Ukraine’s naval and air defense forces, given Russia’s continued support for separatists in the Donbass. The administration is “absolutely” prepared to supply new lethal weaponry, beyond the Javelin anti-tank missiles delivered in April.

But if a Ukrainian army moves against pro-Russian rebels in Luhansk and Donetsk, and Russia intervenes on the side of the rebels, are we really prepared to come to the aid of the Ukrainian army?

President Trump has yet to withdraw us from any of the wars he inherited, but he has kept us out of any new wars — a record worth preserving.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
September 8, 2018 5:03 pm

Poppies and test range for MIC.

monger
monger
  Anonymous
September 8, 2018 8:19 pm

and the minerals that will be tapped for Chinese firms for manufacturing

AC
AC
September 8, 2018 5:10 pm

Why do we continue to fight in Afghanistan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan%E2%80%93Afghanistan%E2%80%93Pakistan%E2%80%93India_Pipeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galkynysh_Gas_Field

We’re making the region safe for natural gas pipelines.

CCRider
CCRider
September 8, 2018 5:13 pm

Did you notice the Orange Crusader has changed his position on Syria? He now wants to rid the area of Iranian and Russian influence because, Christ knows, the u.s. government’s ‘influence’ has done soooo much good in the Middle east can’t have anyone else gumming up the works. So it’s more war, more gov’t spending, more surveillance, more debt and more tax breaks for the 1%. Sound familiar? Oh, and more blabber about building the wall someday-like after he loses the house. The same old shit.

Vote, my ass.

BTW, don’t miss this:

Ep. 1234 Resistance Movement in the White House? Anonymous NYT Op-Ed Says Yes

Ralsballs
Ralsballs
September 8, 2018 6:16 pm

Gotta make sure them poppies are being cultivated in Afghanistan. They’ve made it nearly impossible to get prescribed opiates for legitimate pain here now, thus ensuring plenty of demand for their heroin, and populating their defacto courts and for -profit prisons. Evil fucking cocksuckers.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
September 8, 2018 6:24 pm

Afghanistan, longest war in US history, worked over there (non combat support) very proud of the young soldiers who go out on missions every day. Really question the senior leadership (including politicians) and their strategy or lack of one. I do not know what is the lesser of bad results, stay the course (more of the same ) or leave and let the country fall to the bad guys?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Crawfisher
September 8, 2018 6:57 pm

Fish..
We are the bad guys..

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
September 8, 2018 7:05 pm

But he hasn’t started any new wars. Gosh, what a swell guy that Orange Crusader is.

doug
doug
September 8, 2018 7:07 pm

Wasted men, useless wars, lost resources. Ultimately stupid.

Maggie
Maggie
September 8, 2018 7:41 pm

Why do we *longtermers* here at TBP know so much about the underlying motivations for war and the very probable scenario that either our government was that incompetent on September 11, 2001 or that an even worse scenario is true:

Powerful forces controlling a global government put pressure on our political leadership to be complicit.

Now, for those of you screaming for duct tape and insisting I am not allowed to say or think that, ask yourself WHY?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 8:33 pm

Maggie..
I’m having a blonde moment. Can you translate that for me?

Maggie
Maggie
  Fleabaggs
September 8, 2018 8:48 pm

this is the last time I will stop what I’m doing to pander to your silliness but because you are unfamiliar with the techniques of tightly packed active voice writing although you have been brainwashed byt it all your life.

But, yes. I will do this for you, Fleabaggs. One last time. I will copy and translate in an edit.

Why do we *longtermers* here at TBP know so much about the underlying motivations for war

This was a random salute to any of powerful minds which drew me to this gathering of intellects discussing the problems and how we might overcome them.

and the very probable scenario that either

this was a lead-in to the idea that there are only two scenarios…

First scenario — our government was that incompetent on September 11, 2001

Teaser for second scenario — or that an even worse scenario is true:

Second scenario –The government was complicit.

One or the other.

Powerful forces controlling a global government put pressure on our political leadership to be complicit.

I want it known that there are some people here who have read Quinn’s signature essays about the 30 blocks and do not understand that he is a champion of people’s right to speak even if they disagree with what he thinks. Really. It is the damnedest thing I’ve seen and why I compare him to the Fireman.

Now, for those of you screaming for duct tape and insisting I am not allowed to say or think that, ask yourself WHY?

Do not ask again Flea.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 10:37 pm

I took the time to answer your stupid question Flea. Did you even bother to READ my response. Admin, could you ask that this nonsense cease for at least until I see a real doctor on Friday?

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 10:44 pm

Good grief this is too funny.

Pissed off about getting comments regarding duct tape; wants Admin to censor unwanted comments.

A real TBP “Big Dog” for sure.

Maggie
Maggie
  Rdawg
September 8, 2018 11:10 pm

No. I did not ask Jim to censor. I asked him to weigh in about enormous amount of time you pathetic curs have to badger me about my ideas and comments when you can just skip them and get on with having some sort of real life.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 11:23 pm

Distinction without a difference. You have been inordinately concerned about other’s opinions, and should follow your own advice about just skipping over them.
When you find yourself in a hole, the best thing to do is stop digging.
I have a feeling you won’t.

Maggie
Maggie
  Rdawg
September 8, 2018 11:30 pm

I am making this my final comment of the night, having gone two days without failure of this contraption.

I don’t care what you think.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 11:37 pm

Yeah, final comment. You said that an hour and a half ago on another thread.
Put down the shovel.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
September 9, 2018 5:16 am

I will continue to post until it is no longer possible to stand against the idiots cowardice.

BL
BL
  Rdawg
September 8, 2018 11:37 pm

Depends on what kind of hole you find yourself in.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  BL
September 8, 2018 11:39 pm

The kind of your own making.

nkit
nkit
  BL
September 9, 2018 12:05 am

Bea, I answered your question on Friday Fail…

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 8:48 pm

Maggie..
I don’t get what you are saying.

Maggie
Maggie
  Fleabaggs
September 8, 2018 8:58 pm

I can’t explain it better than that so we will just agree to minimize discussion that goes into this sort of waste of time.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 10:17 pm

I’ve never done anything to you Maggie. I just asked a simple question. Go to hell with your smart ass shit.
Sober the hell up.

Maggie
Maggie
  Fleabaggs
September 8, 2018 10:35 pm

I tried to answer your question in a way that suggests I might have some idea what I’m talking about after all.

Simple question asked and complicated but thorough response given.

Stimulus and response. That is the basic structure of Public Relations and Advertising theory.

Stimulate to elicit a certain response.

I have not had a drink in several months and am limiting my pain pills for the agony of the burn that accompanies a would bandage being soaked and irritating the skin around the wound.

You are an uncouth person and I no longer want to associate with you here or elsewhere.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Maggie
September 8, 2018 10:52 pm

Suits me. Get off the pitty pot.
This time last year I was a lot sicker and a lot closer to death than you’ve been and didn’t whine and insult people like you’ve been doing this last week. You only think all this long-winded bullshit you’ve been posting sounds intelligent.

Maggie
Maggie
  Fleabaggs
September 9, 2018 5:18 am

I am so glad JQ has freedom hating idiots like you here on TBP. You do him proud.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Maggie
September 9, 2018 3:38 pm

Maggie.
Like I said, Iv’e never done anything to you to deserve this. I even defended you against those Duct tape comments.
To call me a Freedom Hating Idiot is a bit of a stretch.
I have TWO BRONZE STARS for surviving the 68 Tet Offensive and the Counter Offensive. How fukkin many do you have?

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
September 9, 2018 5:15 am

Hoping this will be easily contained with the lessons learned.

Edwin
Edwin
September 9, 2018 10:22 am

I say leave Afghanistan to the damn Communist Chinese.
“Good luck, suckers!”
A true cluster from day 1, just leave the message we will support anyone that wants to fight for freedom, but after 17 years we still haven’t found anyone yet so we are getting the F out.