Martial Law Is Unacceptable Under Any President

Hat tip David E

Guest Post by Brandon Smith

In the midst of the three ring circus known as the false Left/Right paradigm it is sometimes easy to forget that there is a motive behind the chaos; that there is an intended end game. Part of that end game, I believe, is the eventual erasure of individual liberties and the implementation of martial law in the US.   However, the establishment quest for government lockdown requires something very special in order to succeed – They need a considerable percentage of the population to support and defend it.

Governments rarely attempt outright martial law. The reason should be obvious; no military, no matter how advanced, has the capacity to suppress a unified citizenry. If the public is armed, the task becomes even more impossible. The laws of attrition alone would make the conflict bloody and costly.

Martial law is a mechanism that cannot be exploited in a vacuum. The-powers-that-be understand that it can only be used when a large percentage of the public is conned into supporting it. This is usually accomplished through the triggering of engineered crisis events, but there is also another method for getting the masses to back martial law, and that is to push both sides of the political spectrum to extreme zealotry until one side decides to use government as a weapon against the other.

Whether by disaster or political division, the public can be influenced to rationalize government dominance of every aspect of life.

The agenda to engineer crisis is evident. In past articles such as ‘The Federal Reserve Is A Suicide Bomber With A Deeper Agenda’, I have outlined the facts behind economic decline and how it is often utilized by central banks and their international banking partners to accumulate and centralize wealth while also manipulating society into accepting reduced living standards for generations to come. There is another more important motive, though. The banking elites also use the controlled demolition of the economy as a tool to create fear.

The Hegelian Dialectic of problem-reaction-solution is a powerful potion that mesmerizes the unaware population. Those who are dependent are easily frightened because they have no control over their own futures. They become reactive rather than proactive; they seek to be led rather than to lead. They will readily accept promises and solutions from anyone in apparent authority rather than maintaining their objectivity and reason. They become slaves to the social and political tides, always waiting for someone else to fix the problems around them.

This conundrum also transfers over to political conflict. In my article ‘Order Out Of Chaos: The Defeat Of The Left Comes With A Cost’, published just after the 2016 election, I explored the dangerous possibility that Trump supporters were being fooled into participating in the false Left/Right paradigm while believing that they had transcended it.

When we refer to the “false Left/Right paradigm” in the alternative media, we are referring to the fact that the political gatekeepers within government actually tend to share the same beliefs and agenda regardless of the “party” or ideology they claim to support. That is to say, Republican and Democratic leaders play their respective roles and their battles are scripted, not legitimate. The Trump campaign was a rather different animal, in that Trump was a candidate without a longstanding political record. He was a relative unknown compared to Clinton, and this made him enticing to conservatives and liberty activists that had all but abandoned participation in US elections.

It takes time to identify a political fake or controlled opposition. With Trump, we had no point of reference. Two years have changed this…

Trump’s campaign was built upon two very important positions: First, Trump promised small government conservatives that he was going to “drain the swamp” in Washington of the kind of globalists and banking elites that Clinton was notorious for associating with. Trump’s background already had at least one red flag in this regard – his empire was bailed out by the Rothschild banking family in the 1990’s during his debt crisis and Taj Mahal casino failures. This alone was not enough to discount him, though. Many businessmen have at least some interactions with banking elites by necessity and the way the system is designed. Unfortunately Trump’s relationship with the bankers did not stop there.

Trump’s cabinet picks were a perfect opportunity for him to establish his independence from globalists, bankers and their think tank partners. This did not happen. Trump brought in Wilber Ross as Commerce Secretary, the same Rothschild agent who arranged his bailout in the 1990’s. He brought in people like Steve Mnuchin, formerly of Goldman Sachs, Larry Kudlow, formerly of the NY Fed, and John Bolton from the Council On Foreign Relations. Trump was adding to the swamp, not draining it.

Second, Trump also argued for economic transparency during his campaign, which for many of us was a breath of fresh air. Trump pointed out the fallacy of the stock market and the fact that the Fed had been supporting a fabricated rally for years using artificially low interest rates and stimulus. Trump argued against false economic stats like mainstream unemployment numbers, which ignore the 95 million jobless people in the US that are no longer counted by the BLS.

Yet, as soon as Trump entered office, all of this changed. Trump immediately started taking credit for the bull market rally in stocks as if it was his own rather than a product of Fed manipulation. He took credit for fraudulent jobs numbers too, despite the tens of millions of people still listed as “non-participatory”. Trump has tied his administration to the performance of a fake economy sitting atop a massive deflating bubble.

I would also note that during Trump’s campaign and in the two years since Trump has barely mentioned the word “Constitution”. This is rather odd to me. A liberty advocate should be defending constitutional protections regularly, driving home the need for the Bill of Rights to be secured and honored. Our very society depends upon the survival of such principles, after all.

It has become clear that Trump is not the “savior” that the liberty movement was hoping for, but many people will continue to applaud him all the same because of a specific factor: The increasingly deranged political left.

Consider the endless absurdity of Russiagate; a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence to back it. It never seems to die despite all logic and reason, but the motives behind this are not what conservatives usually assume. Russiagate is a drug, a drug for leftists. They love it, they need it, it dulls the pain of their loss in 2016 and it confirms their biases. They didn’t “fail” in 2016, and they aren’t the biggest losers of all time; the election was “stolen” from them by Trump and his Russian handlers. Therefore, they are now justified in any level of insanity they display in their activism and opposition. They believe they are righteous.

At the same time, conservatives are ever more bewildered by the cultism and zealotry of the left. Each new incident pokes at their ribs with a pointy knife. Trump is being “railroaded”, they think to themselves. The left must be planning a coup. They won’t let him build the border wall. They try to delay or obstruct his State Of The Union Address. They spew nonsensical drivel and froth at the mouth and scream and wail and act like overgrown toddlers. They are dangerous. Drastic measures might need to be taken…

And so we are confronted with a perilous choice; do we as conservatives becomes zealots ourselves in order to defeat the zealotry of leftists?

But this is a false choice. The left hand of the paradigm has reached full bore lunacy, but this is designed to push conservatives into our own brand of blindness. The goal? To get conservatives to champion actions that are completely contrary to our principles. The goal, I believe, is to condition us into cheering for greater government power and centralization in the name of stopping the leftist menace.

Three weeks from now the government shutdown fight is set to return. The mainstream media has been avidly reporting that the uncertainty is over, but this is a preposterous conclusion. What the nation faces now is even greater confusion as the shutdown fight prepares to return in February or a national emergency is declared, or both. My concern is that this is leading to conservative support for extreme measures.

Consider the current geopolitical environment in the western hemisphere today.  South America is on the verge of potential implosion, in no small part due to the failures of socialism, but also due to Trump’s globalist infested administration seeking destabilization of an already fragile region.  Increasing US sanctions on Venezuela, Trumps support for Madruro’s political opponent (John Guaido), and John Bolton’s notepad snafu would suggest there are military plans being made to take advantage of the chaos.

I have warned in the past that the ongoing breakdown in South America is suspiciously similar to the martial law scenario described in the US government’s secretive Rex 84 plan which was exposed during the Iran/Contra hearings.  To summarize, it suggests that a South American crisis would lead to mass migrations to the southern US border, and that this would be used as a rational for martial law measures in America.  I have to say, this sounds a lot like what is happening now.

If you think the border wall debate is a hot button issue this year, just wait until a collapse in Venezuela or an economic disaster in Brazil or Argentina results in millions of people seeking refuge illegally in the US.  Trump’s wall will be all that any conservatives talk about, while leftists will be blaming his administration for the very calamity that brought about the migrant hordes in the first place.  Both sides would be fully disillusioned with each other if they are not already.  Conservatives would certainly support a declaration of national emergency for the wall.

The cleverness of this ruse is that both sides would be partly right, but also mostly wrong.

What would a national emergency entail? Simply building a border wall? Building a border wall using the military? What about martial law on the border? Why stop there?  Why not have martial law throughout the entire country?  That would finally put an end to leftist interference, right?  Knowing what we now know about Trump’s associations with banking elites, how can we trust that it will end at the border?

It seems to me that the fight between left and right is being driven beyond the information wars and beyond activism into a realm that could include actual civil war. If the current trend continues, I see no other outcome. But as always we must ask who benefits the most from this?

While the left has gone off the deep end into cartoonland and must be stopped, the real threat to America is the banking cabal which influences both sides of the paradigm.  The fact is, Trump works with them everyday in the White House. Economic crisis and geopolitical crisis are inevitable catalysts for greater centralization and totalitarianism, and the left is being used as a cattle prod to ensure that the political right is infuriated enough to jump on the bandwagon.

The only right answer, the only solution is to refuse to support martial law under any circumstances or under any president, and to fight against it should it ever arise.  Borders can and should be secured without giving government carte blanche to do whatever it pleases without restriction.  In fact, any problem can be better resolved without selling our souls to big government in exchange for temporary power over our political opponents.

I would remind liberty activists that by opening such a Pandora’s box, there is no going back. It is a power that would allow for infinite and irreversible corruption, a power that can only be used for evil and never for good.  Even if you truly believe Trump’s motives to be honorable, there are no guarantees that these measures will ever be rescinded once they are started, nor can we be sure that they will not be used by a future president with ill intent once Trump is gone. Some people might argue that my concerns are unwarranted; that it will never come to martial law. We shall see. The trend developing today is certainly not encouraging.

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BB
BB
January 31, 2019 3:11 pm

It all sounds just to damn depressing . I got a better idea so I broke down and spent my money on a movie.
The new Queen movie . I guess it was worth the 20 bucks. Then I came home and listen to them live on internet . I can said they were a damn good band live. Don’t know how I missed them during the 70s but I did. I remember them coming through Charlotte NC in 77 or 78. As of now Another one of my regrets .
Freddy Mercury was a fag . I get it but he was a damn good entertainer . The movie doesn’t go much into that part of his life. Thank God. It is a bittersweet movie ( he threw away the love of a beautiful woman for a life of depravity ) but his strange loyalty to her did put a cheer in my heart . She was the love of his life .Anyway I would recommend it for a couple hours just to get away from all the other things that seem to be headed our way.

lgr
lgr
  BB
January 31, 2019 4:25 pm

Beebs, we’re off topic, but WTH.

Caught Bohemian Rhapsody on a flight back from vacation.
Liked the band in the 70’s & 80’s.
Farouk could sing; no doubt.

The group put out some stuff that was new; different, and catchy.
You’ll get an argument from some who can’t stand the band, but dammit, they had talent.

And, for me, the backstory of their early days, their rise, their fallout, the always present leeching parasites who take advantage, their ‘reunion’ for the Live Aid concert, and Bucky’s tragic downfall was interesting as hell.

I did get a bit squeamish in a couple scenes, as I have no interest in witnessing two dudes making out.
I think it’s a good movie.
Almost a documentary.
Bittersweet, and a bit sad.
Eccentric as he was, he was creative, and musically talented.

I’d be curious to know how and where the producers took liberty with truth, for any dramatic effect.

In parting, I’ll submit one of their more obscure tunes rarely heard on radio, that highlights Brian May’s guitar, and the vocal harmonies.
39, here.
Hammer to Fall, and It’s Late are 2 loud rock tunes that are more obscure than their bigger, well known hits, but showcase their talent well.

GilbertS
GilbertS
  BB
February 1, 2019 11:42 am

Let not your heart be troubled. Brandon Smith comes in 2 flavors: Doom and Doom. If he’s not ranting about Operation Gladio and False Flags, he’s prattling on about how he predicted X, Y, and Z. If he predicts doom and gloom long enough, eventually he’ll be right about something, somewhere. Read his bio sometime. He’s qualified to scoop ice cream. He only succeeds with a captive audience. Disagree or debate with him and he’ll ban you and delete your comments. He’s a legend in his own mind.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 3:17 pm

Poor Brandon. Trying to stick to his oh so precious principles while the SHTF all around him. We are in the middle of a white coup soon to be a bloody one and the constitutional republic was lost long ago. Sorry there buttercup but martial law is simply a way to get back to a refounding of a new constitutional republic. Rome went through a number of civil wars, dictatorships and then finally rolled over into quasi-monarchy with elite Emperor class. One should note that the Roman empire went on for hundreds of years in the west and much longer in the east even though the Republic had died centuries before.

Brandon seems to think that there is something worth saving, that we are preserving a republic…..bad assumption, its long gone we are deep into autocratic control by a small group (aka the Deep State Uni-Party) that are wholly immune from sanction, prosecution, plebiscite or any accountability to the people. Wake up.

Middle-aged Mad Gnome
Middle-aged Mad Gnome
  Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 3:40 pm

I’m with Martel. It’s true that once you have a declaration of martial law, you have no idea how it’s really going to go. It’s also true that the radical lefties and elitists are making a huge play to to grab all the power. They have infiltrated and taken over every institution that was established to prevent this. So if nothing is done, Americans are destined to be slaves. If someone possibly NOT a radical lefty or elitist jumps the shark, declares martial law and bypasses all of the power of the corrupted institutions, Americans might just have a chance to reclaim freedom. I think Brandon is banking everything on our institutions saving us. I think that is a bad bet.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Middle-aged Mad Gnome
January 31, 2019 8:21 pm

Please comment on my comment.

Mangledman
Mangledman
  Middle-aged Mad Gnome
February 1, 2019 12:04 am

I believe Brandon to be a military man. I have been following him for awhile. To me it seems like he is counting on communities figuring things out. When the right teams get organized the cronies better already be in hiding or have their protection squads in order. A dozen Marines can do a lot of damage. I had forgotten the southern hordes from Rex 84. He has been pretty Sharp so far. Everything is in place for Martial law. We already have the FEMA CAMPS complete with big gas lines and furnaces. Why not incentivize all these military aged males to come to the kill zone, while we fight over a wall to keep them in.

gilberts
gilberts
  Mangledman
February 1, 2019 11:52 am

He’s a con artist. Try to debate him some time and see how unhinged he gets. Read him for a while and watch him throw every random conspiracy theory out there. If you predict everything, eventually something will stick and you’ll have a success to crow about. That stuff you referenced has been repeated over and over since the 1990s. If you’ve followed these stories as long as I have, you’ve seen the same stories floated, forgotten, and floated again on a Wash-and-Repeat cycle for years.

William Gilkerson
William Gilkerson
  Middle-aged Mad Gnome
February 1, 2019 7:46 am

Kinda like the statement bandied about frequently……the wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow but they do eventually grind.
Tell that to the Clinton crime cabal.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 3:41 pm

Brandon is deluded. He still believes that the right recognizes liberty as an objective. Why settle for liberty when there is power to be had.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  Grizzly Bare
January 31, 2019 8:19 pm

Oops! I forgot to mention that the power isn’t for the little dirt people who will be doing the bleeding in the civil war. The power will go to those who are playing the little dirt people by yanking on their fear and anger emotional strings. Who’s ready to volunteer to fight for their own enslavement?

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Grizzly Bare
January 31, 2019 8:24 pm

Short and concise.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Grizzly Bare
February 1, 2019 8:55 am

I think you’re missing Brandon’s point GB. Those who would and will fight for liberty will be fighting against the false left/right paradigm. The right does not recognize liberty as the objective, nor does the left, thus they, as he states, are in cahoots.

As one who will, when the time comes, take up arms against those who attempt to rob us of our natural liberties, it will be those who support the single party system in my crosshairs. Those might be Trump or Clinton supporters, I don’t know; nor will I need concern myself with such details when things go hot.

That line, whatever it is I can’t predict, will very likely be crossed in the not too distant future. When it’s crossed there will be two sides: those who wish to be left alone to live in peace and those who wish to impose their will and ways on the former. Those of us who wish to live in peace will then be forced into violent reaction. I can’t predict what happens then either as the chaos that was planned all along will be the rule of the day. One can hope and pray that those who choose peace in the first place will be victorious. If so, a rebuilding can take place and life will someday return to some semblance of normalcy.

If not… totalitarianism wins and all survivors (some happy, some not) will be slaves to whomever happens to be “in charge” at the time. Trump or the Clinton of the day.

Perhaps my thinking places me in a very small minority. Won’t be the first time. That many here seem to think that martial law under Trump is even somewhat acceptable speaks volumes to the value (and rarity) of true liberty over that of ideological liberty.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  grace country pastor
February 1, 2019 10:36 am

GCP, there are at least three sides to this. Those like you and I, who want to be left alone live in peace, the commie left who want to impose their will on everyone, and the alt-right who have already decided to not just abandon liberty, but launch an all out assault on it, for the sake of ‘muh whiteness’. The alt-right hasn’t got the power yet that the commie left has, so they can’t impose their will on everyone else. I don’t trust them because they show so much contempt for liberty now while their power is still small but growing. One can only imagine what they will impose on the masses once in power. I will not participate in any movement that does not embrace liberty as it’s core foundation.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Grizzly Bare
February 1, 2019 12:24 pm

I am combining the wacky left with the wacky right and saying they both want their own ideological versions of liberty imposed upon those of us who simply wish to live in peace and do no harm to anyone. Both are equally dangerous. We will very likely, very unfortunately be caught up in their coming conflagration. When shit hits the fan everything’s gonna stink.

I believe we are saying the same thing, perhaps in slightly different ways. I will not participate in any movement that does not embrace natural liberty as its core foundation. Boom.

Wacky left, wacky right… all be damned. A man is either on the side of natural liberty or he wants his version of liberty over others installed.

Acts 17:26 KJB… “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;”

Men choose to ignore such things and lift themselves above others. They do it because it in some way profits them. God does not see mankind that way. While understanding statistics (crime, general intelligence, culture) I don’t care what’s on the outside of the man if the man stands for natural liberty, I will stand with him.

grace and peace to you and yours…

AC
AC
  Grizzly Bare
February 1, 2019 1:08 pm

When I see someone attacking the only group successfully fighting to preserve white people, I wonder just what their underlying motive is.

Your ‘liberty movement’ is simply white genocide at the posted speed limit, as opposed to the Left’s pedal-to-the-floor version.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  AC
February 1, 2019 2:31 pm

When I see someone attacking the one true threat to centralized power, I have to wonder what your motive is. Your white genocide is a manufactured color revolution that is designed to provoke the exact reaction you are falling into. The script is not a new one. It has been played on people successfully too many times to count, yet you still keep falling for it.

When you abandon your individual liberties or even any desire for them, to preserve your white culture , who does that benefit? White slave or multicultural slave, a slave is still a slave.

The problem with a movement that is focused on concentrating it’s power is the fact that power corrupts and there are always unintended and unexpected consequences for the people living under those regimes, including for those who support such movements.

I’d be interested to hear what your world will look like after you’ve won your race war. You disdain free markets, so what sort of economy do you plan to have? If there is no individual liberty who will be calling the shots for you and making your rules? That’s what I’m not hearing from you guys, and I think that would be a concern for most people.

AC
AC
  Grizzly Bare
February 1, 2019 4:18 pm

You’re arguing with the hard Left over how fast you want to get to the same end point they do – that is the only meaningful difference. The crap you wring your hands over preserving is already gone – the chance to save that stuff evaporated fifty or sixty years ago when people failed to act then.

Bullshit and hand-wringing isn’t ever going to work on us again.

Happy Hanukkah.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  AC
February 1, 2019 7:28 pm

That was a nice evasion. Seriously, lets hear your vision for what the world will look like when you succeed. If principles aren’t worth having what kind of a world will you end up in?

Thanks for the happy Hanukkah. You all seem more concerned that the power elite is Jew heavy than the fact that a power elite exists, which tells me that you can abide a power elite, if only Aryans were in charge of it.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Grizzly Bare
February 2, 2019 2:58 am

Boom.

And I ain’t no Zionist. I know what God is doing today. I got a book.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  AC
February 2, 2019 2:55 am

Hand wringing? Seriously?

Liberty movement = white genocide?

Natural liberty is dead?

Take a needed step back. Reconsider.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  grace country pastor
February 1, 2019 4:20 pm

Nice comment, focused and apt.
I would like to leave this planet, peacefully, at the end of a long and happy life, surrounded by descendants and friends who gratefully accepted my gifts and understand my leaving as due in its time.
But those who hate me for the color of my (white) skin are unlikely to allow this.
I will probably die cold and miserable, in endless rain behind shattered hasty earthworks surrounded by dead friends and compatriots, amid a pile of spent brass and deceased enemies. The last African machete-wielding assailant that ends me will think he accomplished something – until he starves to death, surrounded by farm machinery and tools, in an oblivious trance of “praise Allah” and “the caliphate is triumphant”.
I hope everyone who got paid to bring (‘resettle’) the invaders among us goes FIRST.
But I will be civil as long as I can, and merciless thereafter. Just as they have treated me.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  james the deplorable wanderer
February 2, 2019 3:02 am

I pray you find the peace availabile to you.

Romans 5:1-2 KJB… “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”

Resigned 2 It
Resigned 2 It
  Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 5:32 pm

The people who downvoted this comment have all the wisdom and insight of a toilet plunger.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 8:24 pm

Nice comment, especially the part about preserving a Republic that has already evaporated like a puddle on a hot highway.

I’d sure like to know what you think of comment.

William Gilkerson
William Gilkerson
  Martel's Hammer
February 1, 2019 7:43 am

After many disappointments with DJT I began to harken back to the campaign. Calls to patriotism and the good in our country. The last two years has stripped any illusion that we have been GREAT for a long long time. I was pissed when Trump refused to declass damning swamp data and could not understand. I still don’t agree with it but he made a statement about his decision saying , “paraphrasing” ” Maybe we should not release because its so bad, people aren’t ready for it. ” Today I understand because it would destroy all our good assumptions about our grubbermint.
Ask yourself what the left zealots would do when they get a few more million beans on the rolls. I don’t think they would waste bullets on you, just bulldoze you into a ditch and cover it up. Plant some trees on top and say they did mother earth a favor.

gilberts
gilberts
  Martel's Hammer
February 1, 2019 11:48 am

He’s a clown. If he were open to free discussion and debate, it would be one thing, but he can’t sustain his arguments, so he’ll silence anyone who disagrees. For a self-proclaimed Leader of the “Liberty Movement,” he sure has a problem with open discussion where dissent and disagreement might arise. I assume he’s just another con out to make a business out of this, like Alex Jones or Adam Kokesh.

AC
AC
January 31, 2019 3:23 pm

Martial law is inevitable. The country is ungovernable. The only question is who will be in power when the trigger gets pulled.

Trump does it, and if we can get Kushner away from Trump’s ear, we might be OK. Mass deportations of people that have no business being here, treason trials for the Democrat leadership and their propaganda arm (the ‘mainstream’ media), and so on – but nobody is getting genocided.

Under any Democrat, we’re going to have death camps for white people. They have no other choice, not that they want another option.

The liberty movement is a bunch of people arguing over which condiments should be used as the third worlders eat them.

I’m planning to not be on that menu.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  AC
January 31, 2019 4:25 pm

I think you made my point better than I did. Martial law is coming because conflict is inevitable at this point. So would you rather have martial law some a moderately patriotic semi-enlightened DJT or GOPish successor or the foaming at the mouth commie cabal. I don’t think there is an option as proposed by Brandon of avoiding either of those two outcomes though if there is a Capt. Kirk out there who can hack this Kobayashi Maru conundrum I would welcome that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Martel's Hammer
January 31, 2019 6:35 pm

Exactly. We are in triage at this point, salvaging what can be salvaged.

mark
mark
  AC
January 31, 2019 5:31 pm

AC,

“The liberty movement is a bunch of people arguing over which condiments should be used as the third worlders eat them.

I’m planning to not be on that menu.”

That was outstanding…will probably have to buy some more 7.62 tomorrow becuase of it!

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  AC
January 31, 2019 8:25 pm

Please see my comment on True Martial Law vs Pretend Martial Law… and comment.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  AC
January 31, 2019 8:26 pm

Death camps don’t function very well when they are shot full of .30 and .50 cal holes.

WOLVERINES!

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  AC
January 31, 2019 10:02 pm

” if we can get Kushner away from Trump’s ear, ”

That is never going to happen, AC. Nice dream, though.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 3:34 pm

Who better than Trump to usher in martial law. He will have the blessings of the conservatives who think he is cracking down on the left and the conservatives will help him, only to be rounded up or gunned down. Much to their chagrin and surprise. I said this on his site and here 3 years ago. Martell thinks it will be to restore a new constitutional republic. Just uninformed or misinformed wishful thinking just like the Q-Anon Scam.

Eyas
Eyas
  Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 5:10 pm

Well, he’s got to abandon his constitutional republic principles in order to save the constitutional republic; just like Bush did with the free market. Have faith in Trump.

Trust Sessions.
Trust the plan.
It’s all 33D chess.

/sarc

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 8:00 pm

Flea,

Scary foreboding prediction that is eerily similar to my reasoning behind Trump’s appointment.

You said,

Who better than Trump to usher in martial law. He will have the blessings of the conservatives who think he is cracking down on the left

Don’t forget him rounding up those pesky Mexicans and MS-13ers….the Right will see no problem helping this happen…i wonder if that will stir up a hornets nest? And what blowback will occur because of this?

This could be milked for several more presidencies for the perceived Right…

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 8:29 pm

Nice comment.

The only change I’d make is to replace “conservatives” with “pretend conservatives” because there ain’t no true conservatives anymore.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

22..
I usually call them Faux-cons but was in a hurry.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 31, 2019 3:48 pm

Articles like this need to go viral.
Cements why this forum is so valuable, and must be funded, so it can continue to expose the truths that too few in the general public have the interest or ability to understand. Great piece here.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
January 31, 2019 3:51 pm

John Whitehead has detailed the encroaching Police State….

What most U.S. citizens don’t understand is that we have been in a soft form of publically undeclared martial law for decades…

An open air prison with fringe benefits per say…

What else would you call our ranking at the top per capita of prisoners held, civilians shot by the police using military hardware, gadgets, training and war zone tactics, warrantless wiretapping, national security letters, the suppression of free speech with p.c., gender pronouns, promotion of fake news, co opting of social movements like Occupy Wall St., and “kettling” and pre empted arrests of protestors.

We are in MARTIAL LAW, just an subversive undeclared soft form….the right situations will arise for the narrative to be peddled to the public mob to demand an outright martial law

Maybe the shutdown debate as Smith suggests.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Platoplubius
February 1, 2019 9:00 am

Whitehead did a great job exposing the growing police state we currently live under. That the public will someday demand martial law is the ordo ab chao “they” are gambling upon.

The public will also someday demand a certain mark that they may eat and conduct business as usual.

steve
steve
January 31, 2019 4:00 pm

What can be done is to know your county Sheriff. He’s the top law man in your county and he is relatively local. Know his position on things like 1A and 2A. That will go a long way in determining what happens locally.

mark
mark
  steve
January 31, 2019 5:35 pm

To paraphrase an old truism and reinforce your point…”All gun control is local.”

Mangledman
Mangledman
  steve
February 1, 2019 12:12 am

Yep yep

Anonymous
Anonymous
  steve
February 1, 2019 1:31 pm

Right. keep that card in your wallet.
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Robert (QSLV)

Uncola
Uncola
January 31, 2019 5:14 pm

The Trump campaign was a rather different animal, in that Trump was a candidate without a longstanding political record. He was a relative unknown compared to Clinton, and this made him enticing to conservatives and liberty activists that had all but abandoned participation in US elections.

It takes time to identify a political fake or controlled opposition. With Trump, we had no point of reference. Two years have changed this…

Note that BarryO was also a candidate without a “longstanding political record”. Perhaps they’re holograms after all; walking talking Rorschach tests given shape and form by our own dreams.

Reading guys like Jim Quinn and Brandon Smith (what is it with all of the monosyllabic surnames?) on the still-free-for-now internet reminds me of those “Peter Schiff is always right” montages on YouTube.

In other words, nothing much to argue over.

I will also say that many writers and bloggers willing to “put themselves out there” (myself included) have a certain amount of skepticism, suspicions, and extrapolations in waiting; even if they are only alluded to from time to time.

In my own case, I would add “hope”, thus making for a strange combination indeed.

But, as I’ve stated many times before on this blog: Time reveals all things and by their actions, we can know them.

I had a regular commenter here email me the other day regarding what they referred to as “the most amazing deception” they had “ever seen or read about, at least to date”.

And there have been many. I’ve written on topics ranging from 2001 Space Odyssey, 911, secret societies, and the electronic programming of sheeple.

Many have spoken of a great awakening and, I suppose it’s not much different than when sheeple swallow red-pills for the first time. There remains the possibility the deception is larger than even those who thought they were awake, might realize.

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The essay I will post here for tomorrow morning, echoes this piece by Brandon. Of course, it will be different, but not better; like separate beams of light refracting through diverse cracks of the same broken glass.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
January 31, 2019 10:07 pm

I’m looking forward to your essay.

I’m still trying to sort things out for my piece. The parts of the puzzle are all there, I am just needing to get the time to put it in order.

Pequiste
Pequiste
January 31, 2019 5:14 pm

My, but ain’t that yellow fringe purty.

Should the Government have pleasure to, or cause to, suspend Habeus Corpus, and have a military officer be designated as governor of a particular geographic area then there is not much the Sheeple could do about it. Other than keep a low profile and get along that is. NO one really wants to spend much time at a FEMA camp, do they?

WIth the possibilities of natural disaster, adversary EMP burst, hot war with Russia, China, Iran, Best Korea and even Venezuela, failure of the electrical grid, as well as full EBT Chimpout being no more than a computer glitch away, I would prefer MArtial Law being implemented as opposed to chaos.

Besides could the Military fuck things up any more than our elected and professional politicians have?

mark
mark
  Pequiste
January 31, 2019 5:39 pm

“Besides could the Military fuck things up any more than our elected and professional politicians have?”

Midnight gun gardening is making more and more sense to me.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Pequiste
January 31, 2019 7:52 pm

Pequisite said,

Should the Government have pleasure to, or cause to, suspend Habeus Corpus, and have a military officer be designated as governor of a

Under the Obama administration a council of Governors was established to oversee each FEMA region.

Habeus Corpus has been relegated to irrelevancy with the militarization of the police…

I have been bitching about this as long as Whitehead has, in my own ways…

If you want to know how it was done look into Christopher Brownings unique historical take on the police battalions in Poland during Nazi rule…

“Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland”

An excellent in depth account of the horrors committed by average people put in extraordinary situations.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Platoplubius
January 31, 2019 9:54 pm

Plato..
Deputized Paul Bart Mall Cops. What could be scarier.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 10:32 pm

Flea,

Not many things would be scarier than a bunch of Paul Blarts…

Remember this guy?
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Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Platoplubius
January 31, 2019 11:00 pm

Yup!!

Pequiste
Pequiste
  Platoplubius
February 1, 2019 12:13 am

Plato,

I was in court twice this week (I am not a lawyer but have some very bad tenants) and Habeus Corpus, Miranda notifications, search warrants, and the Fifth Amendment were all still in force. Thank goodness. At least out where I live. Additionally, handgun open carry is perfectly lawful. Again, thank goodness for that and at least out in the remote corner of America where I live.

But the militarization of the police as you suggest- can you say Roger Stone’s astonishing O-Dark-Thirty, Ft. Lauderdale take down – is not the same as whole area lockdowns; curfews; checkpoints; Ma Deuce street patrols; and having your papers ” in-order” to leave the county by car.

Military rule is a whole ‘nother animal and I do not wish for it at all. However, with the way things are headed, we just might be deserving of it. We did not value our Constitutional rule-of-law nor the foundations in English Common Law. Couple that to the election of some of the worst-ever Goddamned legislators in the entire fucking world to state and federal assemblies and voila: we are just an “emergency”, “crisis”, or false flag (don’t forget about those) away from a ready solution available to whoever is Commander-In-Chief when it happens.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Pequiste
February 1, 2019 12:36 pm

Pequisite et al,

With federal grants being dangled over local police departments and the sharing of “national security” secrets with these departments the M.I.C. who runs FEDZILLA is able to manipulate and in essence control the local authorities behaviors…
This is why I say stealth martial law…

Now that the nation is considered a battleground and all U.S. citizens labeled potential enemy combatants I don’t believe this is too far of a stretch…

Consider if a police chief shunned the federal grants that offer paying for additional officer positions, military grade hardware and training….along with the ballooning pension obligations for retiring emergency services personnel and you can see how easy it is to dictate directives and in essence usurp local sovereignty…in essence this is a form of consolidation and centralization.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Pequiste
February 1, 2019 4:10 am

“My, but ain’t that yellow fringe purty.” –Admirality Law?–Obama 2012 NDAA a declaration that the ‘homeland’ was to be declared a battlefield in the ongoing ‘war on terror’ ?

Seems I then came across (couple yrs. later) an open letter from an Alaskan common law supreme court judge (?) Anna Reitz to an Oregon sherrif that was involved in the Bundy/Malhuer Refuge standoff, which also had a tie to Uranium One/Clinton/ BLM land grabbing scandals. (A PDF with the letter is easily found on the net). In it, she discusses the “US Corp.” aspect from the days of Lincoln……anyway…..who knows what ‘laws’ we are under

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-the ole’ melting pot is being brought to a boil……

Pequiste
Pequiste
  ordo ab chao
February 1, 2019 4:33 am

Glad you caught the reference to the flag’s special adornment and possible meaning.

Not Sure
Not Sure
January 31, 2019 5:48 pm

Sounds like something a RINO would say, I know things are bad, but there must be a better solution. I know, let’s reach across the aisle and find a compromise we can all live with; anything but marital law! I’m sure in 20 years or so we can win the presidency back and then begin to implement our agenda, as long as we can get those pesky liberal democrats to get along with us. I’m sure everything will be just fine.
No, for better or worse, it’s coming and will probably be the last opportunity we will have to restore common sense. If Trump is playing us, we were already losers ten years ago and just dead men walking today. If this be the case, defend yourself as needed and by all means, DON’T GET ON THE BUS when ordered to do so.

BB
BB
  Not Sure
January 31, 2019 6:18 pm

Lgr , thanks for the songs . For what I have read today Freddy Mercury did leave her 35 % of all the money and future Royalties from the music. He also left her a big house in London in which she is living right now. She was also with him the day he died . So apparently the love and loyalty was real. He would be in his early 70s now . He seem to think of himself as invincible and wouldn’t end up with some dreadful disease .Damn what a waste.

lgr
lgr
  BB
January 31, 2019 6:46 pm

Work hard, party hard, caution to the wind lifestyle, and incredible talent burns out; not fade away.
At 70, I doubt they’d be able to hit the high notes anymore, but they’d be able to hang w The Stones.

One more obscure reco for ya.
“Don’t Stop Me Now” is an uptempo, toe tapper jam…
when you’re havin’ a ball”

Safe travels in the rig out there, bud. Keep on Truckin’.

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
  BB
January 31, 2019 11:33 pm

BB,

I know it’s not the same but, Queen is touring this year. The singer is Adam Lambert.

Mangledman
Mangledman
  Not Sure
February 1, 2019 12:25 am

Martial law. Remember New Orleans? They declare martial law the UN is already on our soil. The disarmament was signed by Kerry. Barr will take your weapons, and his crookedness was all over RUBY RIDGE, and getting the killers acquitted!! Remember Peloski is only 2 heartbeats away.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Mangledman
February 1, 2019 2:56 am

Profound… yet such a scenario would of course, be doomed to failure in the end.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
January 31, 2019 8:18 pm

Martial Law Is Unacceptable Under Any President

Ummmm, no.

Martial Law Is IMPOSSIBLE Under Any President

Real martial law is military rule initiated by the military when the civilian government has abdicated (simply quit by written decree), fled (typically in the face of imminent invasion or a shitload of pitchforks), or been wiped out (by fake nukes for example).

You absolutely cannot have true martial law when the civilian government is still intact, present, and functional to any significant degree.

Anything else is FAKE MARTIAL LAW and must be regarded as police state terrorism, which must not be confused with TRUE MARTIAL LAW.

AC
AC

Martial law may be, and often is, initiated by the civilian government – not merely in America, or in modernity. It is the suspension of the various civilian aspects of governance – courts, legislature, bureaucracy, etc. – and the substitution of their military equivalents for them.

A US president could declare a national emergency, and impose martial law under the Insurrection Act, for instance. The law may place time limits on this, and there may be issues with insubordination among the officer corps, but if a president did this we would have true martial law initiated by the civilian chief executive. Hypothetically, this situation is intended to be for the length of whatever emergency has occurred, but a president with a reliable base of support could decide otherwise.

This is essentially how the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire: the guy in charge just decided to do it.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  AC
January 31, 2019 9:36 pm

Some have suggested we have been in a perpetual state of emergency since the days of FDR and the beginning of bankruptcy of the United States government, not the corporation the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA….the theory goes that each successive president since FDRs initial declaration of a national emergency during the last Great Depression and World War, has Declared a State of Emergency for some reason or another, continuing the justification needed for use of Executive orders and national security letters, and on and on….

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Platoplubius
February 1, 2019 2:35 am

To your point:

Martial law in Egypt: Egyptian-flagged tanks man an apparent checkpoint just outside the midtown Tahrir area during the 2011 Egyptian revolution. In Egypt, a State of Emergency has been in effect almost continuously since 1967. Following the assassination of President Anwar el-Sadat in 1981, a state of emergency was declared. Egypt has been under state of emergency ever since; the Parliament has renewed the emergency laws every three years since they were imposed. The legislation was extended in 2003 and were due to expire at the end of May 2006; plans were in place to replace it with new anti-terrorism laws. But after the Dahab bombings in April of that year, state of emergency was renewed for another two years.[5][6] In May 2008 there was a further extension to June 2010.[7] In May 2010, the state of emergency was further extended, albeit with a promise from the government to be applied only to ‘Terrorism and Drugs’ suspects.

A State of Emergency gives military courts the power to try civilians and allows the government to detain for renewable 45-day periods and without court orders anyone deemed to be threatening state security. Public demonstrations are banned under the legislation. On 10 February 2011, the ex-president of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, promised the deletion of the relevant constitutional article that gives legitimacy to State of Emergency in an attempt to please the mass number of protesters that demanded him to resign. On 11 February 2011, the president stepped down and the vice president Omar Suleiman de facto introduced the country to martial law when transferring all civilian powers from the presidential institution to the military institution. It meant that the presidential executive powers, the parliamentary legislative powers and the judicial powers all transferred directly into the military system which may delegate powers back and forth to any civilian institution within its territory.

The military issued in its third announcement the “end of the State of Emergency as soon as order is restored in Egypt”. Before martial law, the Egyptian parliament under the constitution had the civilian power to declare a State of Emergency. When in martial law, the military gained all powers of the state, including to dissolve the parliament and suspend the constitution as it did in its fifth announcement. Under martial law, the only legal framework within the Egyptian territory is the numbered announcements from the military. These announcements could for instance order any civilian laws to come back into force. The military announcements (communiques) are the de facto only current constitution and legal framework for the Egyptian territory. It means that all affairs of the state are bound by the Geneva Conventions.

Pequiste
Pequiste

A prime example; nicely, precisely explained.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius

Wingman,

Thank you for the detailed example of what I referenced!

Outstanding!!

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  AC
February 1, 2019 2:32 am

This is a matter of semantics, legal mumbo jumbo, and interpretations of the letter and spirit of Posse Comitatus.

Nothing will convince me that Martial Law is truly Martial Law unless

1. The civilian government has FLED and boarded the proverbial “plane to Argentina” in the face of imminent collapse.
2. The civilian government has abdicated (dissolves itself by written decree)
3. The civilian government has been decapitated (Commander in Chief/executive branch has been assassinated) or blown to pieces (think Gunpowder Plot scenario- or today’s equivalent which would be a fake nuke over Washington DC.)

Anything short of these three things is just QUASI-MARTIAL LAW foisted on the population by a still functioning (still ruling) civilian government. I realize this may seem like a stretch to most people and it is indeed largely a matter of semantics.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You’re attempting to argue for your personal view of the legitimacy of martial law. This is entirely independent of the reality of martial law.

Dennis
Dennis
January 31, 2019 8:48 pm

We have already been subjected to undeclared martial law during the Boston marathon bombing when the entire city was shutdown and homes searched at the discretion of the police with no warrants. I don’t recall anyone challenging the legality of it and I think the lesson learned here by the police was that they could do anything they wanted and the sheep would comply.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
  Dennis
January 31, 2019 9:43 pm

Not just the police, but with the regionalization of training programs and the militarized style of these programs many different agencies are working together…this makes it easier for other private contractors or alphabet agency minions who might have additional orders or objectives to covertly maneuver through then dissappear….

The fact that Eric Prince and DynCorp have their hands all over this administration is a bit scary. Alarm bells have been going off loud and clear, yet most have been lulled to a stupor or are paralyzed with the fear of its reckoning.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Platoplubius
February 1, 2019 2:38 am

No argument with that.

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Dennis
February 1, 2019 2:38 am

What your call undeclared martial law, I call FAKE MARTIAL LAW, QUASI-MARTIAL LAW, or just plain POLICE STATE ANTICS.

Dennis
Dennis

Not sure what your point is. Declaring martial law requires the military to be involved and the suspension of some civil rights which may have been too much in this case. However, so as to not waste a good crisis maybe someone said lets lock down the city and see what happens. Nothing happened, no complaints or protests. Just a bunch of sheep hoping someone would protect them.

I think this is similar to the bail-ins in Cypress where they closed the banks for a few days, confiscated any money over 100K Euros and waited to see what happened. Nothing except for some minor bitching and a couple of years later we now have bail-in laws in the US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. I think they want to see what they can get away with.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Dennis
February 1, 2019 9:08 am

Very unfortunate, very true.

Platoplubius
Platoplubius
January 31, 2019 10:01 pm

I did enjoy this from Brandon’s work above,

I have warned in the past that the ongoing breakdown in South America is suspiciously similar to the martial law scenario described in the US government’s secretive Rex 84 plan which was exposed during the Iran/Contra hearings. To summarize, it suggests that a South American crisis would lead to mass migrations to the southern US border, and that this would be used as a rational for martial law measures in America. I have to say, this sounds a lot like what is happening now.

I was but a young boy when Ollie North and the Iran/Contra shenanigans were going on. I found some of the videos of the hearings years back and was blown away at the corruption and government secrets…

It’s one long big fucking novela!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Platoplubius
January 31, 2019 11:20 pm

Plato..
A seal buddy of mine from our days of taking the opium trade from the French in Nam got out and went to work for that traitor and the CIA through the Arizona Land and cattle company taking out the free Lancers in Columbia. Escobar was our boy and we used him to assassinate Judges. The same actors from Nam went to Columbia and their protoges went to Afghanistan. The phoney war against Farc was from the beginning the last part of the complete takeover of Columbia. They are now our bitches and we are invading Venezuela with our Mercs from the Columbian border. Sage denies this and any other dirty ops when anyone can learn about it if they really want.
Because I was just a nobody in all that, e was able to see and hear things in Nam that people still refuse to believe

22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
22winmag - Unreconstructedsouthernedbygraceofgod
  Fleabaggs
February 1, 2019 2:41 am

Colombia… owned… for now at least.

Mangledman
Mangledman
  Platoplubius
February 1, 2019 12:39 am

I don’t remember how far back it was when they got busted bringing heroin back in soldiers coffins. The MSM clip showed a flag draped coffin in a plane, and I still think I seen a young GHW Bush in my memory standing there on that plane.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mangledman
February 1, 2019 1:50 am

Mangled..
That may have been the Army free lancing. We new better than to involve them in anything. Inept and blabber mouthed.

wxtwxtr
wxtwxtr
January 31, 2019 10:36 pm

“… the increasingly deranged political left …” the deformed bastard children of the Assault From The Ivory Tower? Has been going on since time out of mind? Even Plato argued for philosopher kings.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  wxtwxtr
February 1, 2019 9:10 am

See Genesis 11…

wdg
wdg
February 1, 2019 9:07 am

A declaration of Martial Law carried out by a true patriot as a short-term mechanism to purge traitors, gangsters and criminal who infest our governments and agencies at the highest levels and restore a constitutional republic with very limited government may be the only solution for saving the US. However, as Brandon points out, Trump is probably not a patriot but a loyal member of the oligarchy that now rules over us which means Martial Law controlled by Trump and his Deep State cabinet would not only not restore the republic but lead to even greater control and tyranny.

gilberts
gilberts
February 1, 2019 2:22 pm

Ignore Smith. He rarely knows what he’s talking about.

Martial Law has been declared many times on a limited basis during major crises and I believe that is perfectly legit, such as the San Fransicko 1906 fire, the 1871 Chicago Fire, Pearl Harbor, etc. Martial Law is understandable and reasonable in a situation where central order is in peril and the standard social order is threatened by total chaos or massive disaster. Nation-wide Martial Law would be in order in a case of war, such as the War of Northern Aggression, when Lincoln used it to coerce his citizens into obedience and supporting his invasion of the CSA. He also imposed it on the South wherever his troops were in occupation. Interestingly, the politicians in New Orleans in 2005 DID NOT declare Martial Law, and instead opted to maintain civilian control. The Governor declared a State of Emergency and left it up to local authorities. If there was ever a time to declare it, it was Katrina, but they opted not to surrender power. I believe TPTB would only declare national Martial Law if there were no other choice. If they declared it for anything less than total chaos, I think it would quickly fail.

Smith is out to lunch. Martial Law will not be imposed nation-wide over events at the border. (Personally, I wouldn’t mind it if we did institute it to do a door-to-door search for illegal aliens, dispossessed them of their illegally-acquired property, then deported them to their nations of origin, but that’s just me. I think reducing our population by 10-20 million would make the US a much nicer place to be. Commuters in DC and elsewhere would pray to Trump twice a day to give thanks during Rush Hour. You might give thanks the next time you visit the Emergency Room or you see your tax bill go down or see the crime rate drop. You would certainly be thankful during the next election when millions of undocumented DNC voters fail to appear.)

Try to imagine it for yourself if this country were to be under Martial Law, how you would do it?

With a population of 311,000,000+ scattered over 3.5 million square miles, how would you do it?

The military is, according to the interweb, roughly, 1.3 million with 500-800k in reserves. With bases in over 100 countries, overseas commitments to Europe, Africa, Asia, opposing China and Russia, occupying Afghanistan, meddling in the middle yeast, how many of them are available to garrison said 3.5 million square miles? Never mind a lot of those service members are sitting on ships or supporting aircraft or filling garrison services of all types, how many trigger pullers do you really have available to ride herd on 311,000,000+ people?
You might toss in federal agents, but that comes to about 120,000 by one source I saw. Not many.
How about civilian cops? I’ve seen estimates between 700K-1 million. Again, not that many. Did I miss anyone? Sheriffs? The League of Women Voters? Freight train Riders of America?

So if they tried to put you under Martial Law, who would do it? By a very liberal estimate, that’s about 3 million occupiers vs 311 million. 1 “occupier” per 100+ citizens. They got all the weapons, spy gear, jets, ships, tanks, cameras, etc etc etc, but you aren’t really in control of any ground you can’t walk and how will they simultaneously control a land so big, they can hardly put 1 occupier on every square mile of it? They aren’t really challenged for dominance now, and they still can’t control the cities. Go to Baltimore and tell me they’re competent to run the city in peacetime, let alone absolute chaos. The # of bad guys now is nothing like what it would be when the average citizen no longer has a reason to believe in the system or the Rule of Law.

Certainly, not every square mile requires an occupier. The West is filled with empty space and small towns with few, if any, cops required to keep order. We live in a peaceful, generally low-crime nation (believe it or not!) and even now our current law enforcement only feel comfortable traveling in groups. There are already areas they are too scared to enter. If they had to occupy the entire populace, they would be swallowed wholesale just by the major metro areas. Baltimore, NYC, San Antonio, Hawtlanta, Chitown, LA, San Fransicko, Las Vegas, Detroit would eat them alive.

I can’t leave the highways off this, either- any occupier will have to garrison all the highways, roads, bridges, airports, seaports, borders, train tracks, train stations, fuel storage, food warehouses, power plants, etc just to maintain their own supply chains, let alone to keep the civilians under control. THAT IS A MASSIVE JOB! Those 3 million enforcers start to disappear fast if they’re forced to protect their own supply lines.

Ever notice how the war on the Eastern Front ran between 2001-2019? The US sent troops into shitholes to pull triggers. (The initial operation in Afghanistan, for instance, was tiny, with just a few CIA and SF riding ponies with Northern Alliance troops and no support.) Then, they sent in support troops to support the trigger pullers. Then, they sent in more troops to build ever-larger bases to support the support troops and the trigger pullers. Then, they sent in more troops to support those troops. Someone had to guard the support troops supporting the support troops supporting the trigger pullers. They also sent in McDonalds, Cinnabon, Burger King, etc and giant airconditioned PX operations that necessitated ever more supplies and support and protection. These operations all became self-licking ice cream cones. I think anything like this in the US would become an even bigger clusterfuck. You would be reduced to a few trigger pullers and scores of support people hanging out on the base. Where are your 3 million occupiers scattered now?

No plan to lock down the nation would stand a chance of success. And I haven’t yet touched on the issue of many of those potential enforcers not wanting to actually do the job. What cop, soldier, agent, etc would want to be away from their loved ones in such a moment? And what is the likelihood they would want to abuse their own communities? The Soviets got around this by using the MVD, an entire internal army used to maintain order made up of troops who were purposefully stationed far away from their home regions to ensure they had no love or compassion for the people they were deployed to suppress. What similar entity do we have? What would stop local forces from ignoring orders, assisting the public, mutiny, or being part of the inevitable resistance? How would they control the people?

The only answer that comes to mind re Control would be controlling the issue of food&water, fuel, power, and medical care. (I doubt money would mean much at that point.) But even that is a doomed effort, to my mind, because large areas of the country grow their own food and the food for the rest of us. Most of our food comes from the lightest-populated, widest, least-controlled regions-the same regions most likely to cause heartache for the occupiers. And they’re likely to stop working so hard with no profit motive and an occupier demanding they work just as hard as ever to keep up production. Fuel is a more difficult issue, but a lot of the country folks are used to storing their own and those same farm operations from above maintain their own large private stores. Power is a big club to hold over people’s heads, but a lot of people have their own solutions for that, too. Some might not care. Medical care is something I think locals would start to supply for themselves, too. There are a lot of people out there with basic medical training and experience and supplies are readily available. The average home probably has a wealth of materials useful in an emergency, which could allow sick or injured care outside govt-controlled hospitals.

Even if such a plan was put into action successfully, how long could it work? The dollar would be dead. The internet would probably be dead, at least for us, but perhaps for everyone. Who is providing the cops with internet if the civilians are locked down? And why would they provide it? There’s no reason to work in these circumstances. Little or no commerce is going on. And the rest of the world would probably be less interested in dealing with a basket case America bent on brutalizing their own citizens and only offering a dead dollar. And what does the world situation look like at this point if they somehow withdrew all those troops to control the US? Widespread war and chaos, I imagine. With the US wrapped up in their own shenanigans, I assume Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Libya, Burma, Indonesia, Turkey, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, and all of South America are having a field day. Everyone with a score to settle can assume the one guarantor of the post-war order is now busy dealing with problems at home.

Finally, who supplies the govt with what it needs to keep functioning? Most of the govt is run by civilian contractors who do EVERYTHING while govt hacks watch from their desks. Who is doing the work of supply, support, and even day-t0-day operations with the country on lockdown? If I were a Northrup Grumman or L3 or Triple Canopy or Mantech employee taking care of business for the likely-broke Uncle Sam, what point is there to showing up? Even if the govt activated its emergency powers to compel labor on their behalf, effectively rendering citizens slaves, what quality of work will they receive? Expect failures and slowdowns at all levels. In a matter of days, weeks, and months as this situation develops, you may expect to see all manner of chaos as supplies dry up, infrastructure crashes, communications become unreliable, previously-reliable workers become sullen at best, stubborn troublemakers at worst, and the nation becomes less and less governable.

My in-laws are from Communist Eastern Europe where, armed WWII resistance was only stomped out in the mid/late 1950s. They never completely subdued the population and even compliant workers still did as little as possible and stole as much as possible. Even kids in schools had a culture of cheating and undermining teachers whenever possible. Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, there were revolts and insurrections.

I don’t think it is possible to effectively place the country under Martial Law. I don’t think it would work for long if “THEY” tried. I think even THEY would suffer from defection, rebellion, sabotage, and chaos. The nation is hard to govern now and always has been. These problems exist when the % of “bad guys” is only a tiny minority of the population. Show me how this situation would improve if the entire population were considered “bad guys.” I won’t discuss the guns part-you already know all about that. Erase the Social Contract we have and watch the already hard-to-govern US become a violent, bloody, chaotic mess. The so-called rulers of our country would be ruling nothing.

BTW- I think the people in power and the wealthy have nothing to gain from this situation. What makes you rich in America?
Land, Money, and Political Power.
If you actually declare Martial Law, all that goes away. Political Power no longer exists. Land is instantly worth less. Money is worthless. Even if you own foreign Money, due to our financial chaos, THAT would be worth less, too.
What political power do you have if there aren’t voters? And if you’re a Congressman, what power do you have with the voters on lockdown and the President running the country through the military?
If you’re President, your power is effectively reduced, since your power has effectively been reduced globally to pretty much the range of your loyal troops’ weapons.

Russia and China don’t have to care what you think if your military is busy chasing their tails in the hinterland. It would be in their best interest to start providing arms and aid to the resistors in your own nation. NATO probably backs down off the Russian border instantly and goes home with no Uncle Sam supporting them and Europe is suddenly very quiet. Israel is suddenly free of support and left to make nice with their neighbors who suddenly don’t need to fear instant US attack for stepping out of line. China is suddenly free to interact with their neighbors free of US interference in the South China Sea. Afghans are suddenly free to return to killing and raping each other over beard length or how many naked boys you’re allowed to own at the same time.

Nothing likely to matter to the powerful in the US is going to remain if they actually instituted national Martial Law. All power, wealth, and property is discounted, diminished, or destroyed.

So, based on my long and rambling paranoid delusional scribblings, there will be no Martial Law, unless things get soooo bad, there is no remaining alternative. There’s too much at risk and too little to gain. By the time they get around to declaring Martial Law, I think a lot of people will welcome it.

And you should always assume Smith is wrong because he’s only occasionally right due to the sheer number of predictions he throws out.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  gilberts
February 1, 2019 3:16 pm

gilberts..
They will do it like the Bolshevik Zionist Jews always do it. With your irate neighbor and deputized mall cops.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  Fleabaggs
February 1, 2019 5:11 pm

And when irate neighbors become in short supply?

daddysteve
daddysteve
  Fleabaggs
February 1, 2019 5:34 pm

With the right virus popping up here and there , the public will be bleating for “safety”. The military will be more than happy to shut the country down. Easy peasy.

gilberts
gilberts
  daddysteve
February 1, 2019 6:02 pm

They did such a good job in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iraq is only 38 million people in 169,235 square miles.
Afghanistan is only 35 million people 251,8276 square miles.

America should be much, much easier.
Plus, they won’t have to travel so far to get here and when they get tired, they can go on R&R at mom’s house down the road. The food will be great, the people will welcome them with open arms, and they won’t have to worry about anyone shooting at them.
Martial Law in America will be a big cakewalk.