Pattern Recognition

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

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This is a labrys, or double bitted axe from the Minoan Culture from around 2,000 B.C. Also known as the bipennis, it was a symbolic rather than a tool or weapon, although it’s functional inspiration cannot be doubted. The Temple of Knossos was called the House of the Double Axe and the word labyrinth is derived from it. It was said that Zeus carried one and that it was also the symbol of the beginning and the end in their mythology with numerous attendant goddesses.

It’s importance and religious significance makes it a unique and easily recognized totem throughout the Bronze Age world. Some of them have pronounced tails at the end of each bit, like this one-

http://people.ucls.uchicago.edu/~bwildem/art_hist_laba/minoan/min_labryth.png

The Bronze Age was one of the first great technological advances of early human civilization. How it was discovered is still unknown as it required not only the concentration of great heat in order to smelt the copper, but the addition of tin, an element not found in the Aegean, nor readily available along any known trades routes.

Yet somehow despite our lack of knowledge, the indisputable fact is that bronze came into existence in that time frame and in that region and what followed was an explosion of both trade and the development of numerous complex tech spin-offs including my favorite, the written language. As it has been mentioned the primary component of bronze is copper. In that area most copper was obtained by the refinement of ore in the form of malachite and azurite. These refinement techniques were perfected and the cast ingots, known as oxhides, were produced for trade as well as use. They look like this-

https://historyhereticorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ox-hide-recovered.png

They featured a quadra concave shape to make handling by a man easier to bear, like see in this sculpture from 1,300 B.C.
http://theancientneareast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/feature-vassos-main-photo-Fragment-from-a-bronze-four-sided-stand-now-in-the-Royal-Ontario-Museum-shows-represents-a-Cypriot-carrying-an-ingot.-12th-cent.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e32e53702c6e9b4c3399e14ecc5e7177/tumblr_inline_nxxxxsvZdR1s0gtiq_540.jpg

Of course the possession of not only the technology involved in creating this new commodity, but the supply line proved to be an economic boom for the Minoan Culture, in fact the first tech Boom in history. Their artwork and surviving palaces demonstrate a civilization with vast amounts of surplus wealth, and an appetite for luxury. They appear to have developed a vast- for that time- trade network made up of seagoing vessels that plied the warm waters of the Mediterranean and South Atlantic. Numerous artifacts found throughout Europe indicate that there were also overland trade routes, most of them focused on tin or copper, especially as readily available ore became scarce in their homelands.

Let’s recap. The Minoans were the tech giants of their day which created huge surpluses of capital, perhaps for the first time in human history. They established trade routes to facilitate their acquisition of key components in the manufacture of bronze and built large fleets of sea going vessels. Their written record, Linear Script A and B have never been deciphered. Their religious beliefs used the symbol of the labrys much in the way Christians view the cross, and it was so esteemed in their culture that they dedicated their greatest palace to it. The production of bronze involved the transportation of their most important trade good and they used a common form- the ox-hide- for easy handling.

In North America, at the same time the Minoan Culture was ascendant, in the Upper Peninsula of modern Michigan, someone began to mine huge veins of pure copper. From the Porcupine Mountains north along the Keweenah Peninsula are an almost endless strip of ancient mines, producing 99% copper veins. The metal excavated was clearly used for almost 3,500 hundred years in the manufacture of spear points, knives and personal adornment.

Examples of these artifacts have been found as far south as the Cahokia Cultural Sphere and as far East as the Algonquin Empire. Most of it, the vast majority in fact is concentrated along the Ohio River in any area dominated by the Hopewell Complex, mound builders with very high levels of sophistication in both lithic and metal working technologies. Nothing approaching their European counterpart of that era, but far above what was encountered when Europeans began settlement in the 16th Century.

Some of their artifacts are unusual in that no modern interpretation of their function has ever been found and no record exists in the modern era. They are simply anomalies, often given names that describe the item rather than suggest a function. Most of these are manufactured from a greenish material called banded slate.

Below is an example

http://www.samcoxartifacts.com/images/phocagallery/20141001/thumbs/phoca_thumb_m_2.jpg

They call those “banner stones” and the only suggested use I have seen mention is either as a decoration for the top of a staff, a ceremonial decoration, or as a counter weight for an atl atl, a throwing technology employed by the inhabitants of that region and time frame. There is no proof that either of these uses actually occurred so it remains anomalous.

These are “quadra concave gorgets” and again, they have no proven usage other than the possibility of personal adornment so they too remain a puzzle.

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Note the two holes in the middle. Not all examples are found with perforations, maybe half. Just like the Ox-Hides.

I have no idea if these things are connected. Huge deposits of raw, 99% pure copper available in massive quantities being mined at exactly the same time in history as the Minoan Culture in North America. The sacred shape of the Labrys, symbol of their gods and goddesses, appearing at the same time as the bannerstone, in the same geographic sphere as the copper North American copper mine trade routes. The similarity of the Minoan copper ingot to the quadra concave gorget, a similarly mysterious highly valued lithic symbol with no known use also appearing at the exact same time frame and in the same region as the previously noted artifacts.

Anyone else see a pattern?

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IluvCO2
IluvCO2
February 16, 2019 2:20 pm

Aliens? Reptilian aliens? Joos?

Pequiste
Pequiste
  IluvCO2
February 16, 2019 4:25 pm

Feminists? Lesbians? (They both adopted the use of the labrys symbol in contemporary Western society.)

Wolverine
Wolverine
February 16, 2019 2:36 pm

There is considerable other evidence indicating that copper from Michigan’s upper peninsula was making its way to the old world. This is the most interesting tidbit yet.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
February 16, 2019 3:01 pm

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I find the Labrys design to be very pleasing aesthetically and it certainly looks similar in both cultures. And no other cultures at that time have anything like that. And then there’s the copper. I was watching a great four part series on the history of metallurgy and when I saw both of those artifacts depicted in context during the Bronze Age segment, I suddenly remembered the similar looking artifacts from the US.

Richard Noyes
Richard Noyes
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 16, 2019 9:08 pm

Hi HF, Could you kindly provide a link to that metallurgy program? Thanks much!

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Richard Noyes
February 17, 2019 9:04 am

That’s episode 1 and it automatically leads to all the rest.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 17, 2019 9:58 am

Thx for the vid link. Looking fwd. to watching with interest when time allows.
-suds

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Sorta looks like a UFO.

P2
P2
February 16, 2019 3:03 pm

When asked about the proliferation of pyramid shaped buildings around the world, a French archeologist, at the louvre, said (I’m going to paraphrase) ‘that’s not proof of contact, beavers build the same kind of dams everywhere, humans are like that, they build the same kind of structures everywhere’. My mouth actually dropped open at his utterance! So no, HSF, humans are just like beavers. Remember that next time you think you see a pattern. ?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  P2
February 16, 2019 3:14 pm

Did you ask him why we stopped?

P2
P2
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 16, 2019 3:38 pm

I have a philosophy: Never waste time with morons & idiots. He was wedded to his worldview that all patterns are just coincidence. How can you ask someone like that to think outside their comfort zone? Humans are like beavers! You’ve got to be extremely stupid to have that come out of your mouth. But that’s what he decided to embrace, so as to not upset his dogma.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  P2
February 16, 2019 5:07 pm

You seem incredibly stupid to dismiss him so easily. Has it ever occurred to you that he may be right? The human brain functions the same across continents as beavers’ brains function across the world. I guess he didn’t dumb it down enough for you, moron.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  EL Coyote
February 16, 2019 6:52 pm

the human brain and the beaner brain are two very different things

MAdJack
MAdJack
  P2
February 16, 2019 6:50 pm

Like trying to talk to Christians about the source of their beliefs. …

IluvCO2
IluvCO2
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 16, 2019 4:34 pm

No more aliens.

DD
DD
  P2
February 16, 2019 4:08 pm

In a general sort of way, the archaeologist might have been correct. However, a study of the tribes of the southwest North American continent will give you a real sense of why Ayn Rand envisioned what’s his name in Fountainhead… was it Rourke? as an architect unwilling to compromise his pact to design in accordance with the laws of nature and lebensraum, if you will forgive the hyperbole.

I think part of what drives the kinds of structures humans build boils down to resources. I think there were tribes that made their homes of sod, while others lived in caverns in the walls of the Grand Canyon. Still others made intricately connected villages called pueblos, while others carried tents made from buffalo hide.

Not all humans build the same types of shelter, but all types of humans figure out how to use what is around them for protection. Or they die.

P2
P2
  DD
February 16, 2019 4:31 pm

So, everyone made pyramids out of sod, or sticks, or … ’cause ‘instinct’?
Humans have no ‘instinct’ to build pyramids. They have a need to have shelter. Instinct is birds building nests, not just any old place to lay an egg. And beavers building dams, not just any old shelter in a hole in a mudbank. Pyramids have been found all over the world. Conflating instinctive behavior of animals with patterns found in human achievements is why the archeologist was too stupid to waste time on.

DD
DD
  P2
February 16, 2019 7:06 pm

Pyramids usually have ties to the afterlife. There is some anthropological evidence that humans usually have some sort of origin myth which connects them to an afterlife.

Different regional peoples seem to use them in different ways. I was not suggesting there were pyramids of sod or sticks, but there were all sorts of symbolic rituals in all the tribes.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  DD
February 17, 2019 11:03 am

Pyramids, like cathedrals or henges are not dwellings. Dwellings are far more similar to birds nests or beaver dams than architectural constructions. One is a domicile for the body, the other houses the spirit of a rising culture.

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cz
cz
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 17, 2019 5:13 pm

and ironically, similar complex methods of architectural stone construction is found world wide:

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
February 16, 2019 3:29 pm

The book of Enoch reveals that Azazel taught man how to make swords and such through the melting/mixing of metals…

You also mentioned ‘mound builders’….burial grounds of nephilim…they are serpentine in shape and great in size?….lots of evidence to suggest the ancients were here on this continent-Smithsonian cover-ups of discoveries in the Grand Canyon…..

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- it may seem wacko, but it isn’t.. that motto/seal directly correlates with the workings of satan….

“People say I’m no good, crazy as a loon…” “poor girl wants to marry, rich girl wants to flirt”…..

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  ordo ab chao
February 17, 2019 10:31 am

“Genesis 6:1-4 Amplified Bible (AMP)
The Corruption of Mankind
6 Now it happened, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the [a]sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and desirable; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose and desired. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive and remain with man forever, because he is indeed flesh [sinful, corrupt—given over to sensual appetites]; nevertheless his days shall yet be [b]a hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were Nephilim (men of stature, notorious men) on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they gave birth to their children. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown (great reputation, fame).

Footnotes:
Genesis 6:2 This phrase has been interpreted as a reference to: (a) royalty or rulers possessed by fallen angels, (b) the descendants of Seth who called upon the Lord (see 4:26), or (c) fallen angels (cf Job 1:6).
Genesis 6:3 This may refer to the time given man to repent before the flood, or to the normative human life span after the flood.”

Everybody reads past those few verses because they are too weird. Most people never read the Book of Enoch.

Explanations that do not include the spiritual just don’t cut it.

DD
DD
  Mary Christine
February 17, 2019 11:22 am

I am one of those oddballs who flips to the bibliography page(s) to see who really wrote the book and whose ideas are really being promoted.

So, I’ve read some brief analysis of Enoch but not a great deal. Do you have a link you might suggest? What little I’ve read has to do with theories about why God “took” him at the very young age of 365 years when everyone else was living to be at least 800 or so.

So, what would you suggest I read to understand those weird verses better… I could probably find a good preacher around these parts who would be more than happy to explain to me his interpretation, but really, don’t we all have our own personal concept of what the flood represents in the story.

What would you suggest for a good link to start reading a bit of Enoch?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  DD
February 17, 2019 1:07 pm
Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  DD
February 17, 2019 1:11 pm

It’s heavily footnoted. I think it has more footnotes than book text. I have read it but need to read it again.There is a similar book with the title “Supernatural” that is not so geared towards the academic. There is a sequel “Reversing Hermon” I have not read Supernatural, yet.

Jared Morgan
Jared Morgan
February 16, 2019 4:32 pm

Check out the book ‘how the sun god came to america’. The authors have some great YouTube videos online as well.

The Michigan copper was smelted at a large settlement in Louisiana before being shipped across the ocean. The book referenced above shows how the ancient seafarers used large megalithic structures to teach how to navigate the sea.

Sounds crazy, but there’s lots of reasonable evidence.

The authors are atheists but have explained something that accepted history can’t explain.

Personally, I believe that there was an obsession with building stuff that wouldn’t be washed away by a flood after the flood. There was also a drive to find the lost continent and people after God separated them at Babel.

Great stuff!

starfcker
starfcker
  Jared Morgan
February 17, 2019 12:04 am

Quick question. How could you get copper ore from Michigan to Louisiana? Large-scale movement of any kind of ore did it begin until we had railroads. The Mississippi and the Great Lakes are sort of close, but how would you bridge that gap?

IluvCO2
IluvCO2
February 16, 2019 4:45 pm

A bipennis? Two holes? How come Stucky has not picked up on this?

Stucky
Stucky
February 16, 2019 4:48 pm

I had no idea the Minoans had a bipenis. Fags!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Stucky
February 16, 2019 5:09 pm

Stormy said Donald has a similar looking penis.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Stucky
February 17, 2019 10:43 am

When I originally wrote this yesterday morning I included this – (note to Stucky) after the mention of that word. Then I deleted it because a) it was rude and b) because I knew you’d find that word on your own.

Mission accomplished!
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EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Hardscrabble Farmer
February 17, 2019 2:20 pm

Some of the best writing has references to sex and to the male apparatus, the inclusion of certain trigger words or images appeal to men.

The bipenis looks like a weapon and inspires thoughts of some faraway glorious victory over a heathen nation.

Some terms men find offensive and should be avoided are; little, tiny, inoffensive, flaccid… These terms tend to weaken the tone and do not inspire confidence in the reader.

Football used to have that je ne sais quoi that inspired manly thoughts but now, seeing grown men on their knees like a defeated army only weaken men’s resolve .

22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
February 16, 2019 5:07 pm

What about those recently-discovered, big symmetrical pits that can only be viewed from the air down in Peru and/or Chile? The best guess seems to point to ancient Gold mines, but on a scale and method never before contemplated.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Maybe the 50 foot woman faceplanted.

Uncola
Uncola
February 16, 2019 5:07 pm

Speaking of patterns, one currently here on TBP is da joos, and now beavers, archeology, metallurgy, mining, and the historical march of Man.

Something that has fascinated me for some time, is the existence of a “language actuator” or “language acquisition device“that was first identified by the linguist Noam Chomsky. Chomsky was an interesting guy. His revolutionary work in linguistics completely kicked-to-the-curb B.F. Skinner’s “Behaviorism” and stimulus-response-style environmental conditioning.

Chomsky was an Anarcho-syndicalist and libertarian-socialist of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.

He was anti-war and spoke out against American imperialism. He wrote a book on the media entitled “Manufacturing Consent” exposing propagandic trends and naming five categories of editorial bias.

He even advocated for the free speech of holocaust deniers, if you can believe that; and took a lot of heat for that too.

And he might even have been what other commenters responding to this one may possibly claim about him as well?

Regardless, the “Language Acquisition Device” is a mysterious blueprint in human DNA that makes only human babies literal geniuses at acquiring language across all languages and cultures.

No one can explain the presence of this “language acquisition device”. Not even the Disciples of Darwin because “categories like noun and verb are biologically, evolutionarily and psychologically implausible”.

Here is a summary article about it all complete with a simple-to-understand video by a quircky (((guy))) with a Jewish name:

Language Acquisition Theory | Simply Psychology

Honestly, at this time, I don’t know what anything I wrote in this comment has to do with Hardscrabble’s article above, if at all, – other than perhaps language and his mastery of it; as well as patterns and understanding.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Uncola
February 16, 2019 5:18 pm

In an indirect manner, you have described the very thing I was alluding to while separated by distance if not time. It isn’t that great minds think alike, but minds do operate in like manner. I hope P2 can appreciate this revelation.

DD
DD
  Uncola
February 16, 2019 7:21 pm

This is an interesting find. You know I have a certain interest in the way people use and abuse words, sometimes forcing them to spread their meaning so thin they are like being served crepes at brunch when you really wanted pancakes. You will need several dozen of them to satisfy the meaning you are trying to satisfy.

Hmmm…. does that work? I was thinking about a time in a fancy restaurant when the waitress served some crepes at a table next to ours and one of the crewdogs said “Oh, man… I’m gonna need about 75 of those!”

Patterns in language help anthropologists track peoples from Asia to Alaska all the way to South America and beyond. There are a few peoples who are isolated linguistically, which makes them intriguing, as if they simply sprung from the ground, like the clthonian warriors Jason fought in another story far away.

P2
P2
  Uncola
February 17, 2019 10:42 am

Read Jean Piaget

DD
DD
  P2
February 17, 2019 11:38 am

Interesting.

“Piaget’s Theory Differs From Others In Several Ways:

▪ It is concerned with children, rather than all learners.
▪ It focuses on development, rather than learning per se, so it does not address learning of information or specific behaviors.
▪ It proposes discrete stages of development, marked by qualitative differences, rather than a gradual increase in number and complexity of behaviors, concepts, ideas, etc.”

Piaget’s Theory and Stages of Cognitive Development

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  DD
February 17, 2019 2:24 pm

P2 thinks he can use Piaget to explain a rock’s intellectual development. Moron.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  P2
February 17, 2019 2:22 pm

Why? You should re-read Uncola’s comment first. If you don’t understand that humans have the capacity for thought, how will you understand their development of such thought?

BL
BL
February 16, 2019 5:29 pm

It is a proven fact that the huge amounts of copper ore for the bronze age was mined in the extreme northern US states around the great lakes, there is no doubt about that. Also, the Cherokee Indians have incumbent DNA of Greek and Minoans. The massive Cherokee nation was trading with Greeks and Minoans and spoke their language thousands of years age.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
February 16, 2019 6:00 pm

Read “Sailing To Paradise” by Jim Bailey. 400+ pages but it proves that the Minoans were quite familiar with the UP of Michigan, among other things.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  lamont cranston
February 16, 2019 8:18 pm

Academically, you will have to use a more reliable like Wikipedia before it’s used as ‘proof’.

I’m just bein’ a smart ass. On Uncola’s thread I was trying to throw a little monkey shit at Woodyhole Rob and the dang cursor is jumpin’ all around (much better on this thread), the copy/paste (my advanced computer ability maxed out) process screwin’ up, then I get knocked off the site and lose everything I had dicked with for an hour !

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- I haven’t read this book, but have seen the very same type of ancient connections through a looong time of KJV Bible first, then the apocrypha and psuedographic books, videos….truly, I’ve been nearly consumed with it since I had to put dirt over my dad-

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  lamont cranston
February 16, 2019 8:32 pm

Every now and then you guys wander off into the weeds. It is one of my great pleasures to see the incredible things that you are willing to say. Thank you to everyone for making me smile today.

Oh and HSF, I suggest that you check out the Time Team about the tin mines and about doggerland. As the ice sheets receded they exposed an England connected to the continent. People lived on dry land where the English channel is today and while I don’t actually recall exactly when that happened, I suspect that it was somewhere around the bronze age. The reason that I suspect that is that archeologists have found boats full of tin ingots that were mined in Cornwall and shipped all over the med to make bronze. I think there was also a time team about copper mining in Scotland.

The Minoans didn’t have to go to Michigan to buy their copper.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hollywood Rob
February 17, 2019 12:38 am

‘Every now and then you guys wander off into the weeds. It is one of my great pleasures to see the incredible things that you are willing to say. Thank you to everyone for making me smile today.’

thats what someone would say who has no understanding, explanations or rebuttals.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Hollywood Rob
February 17, 2019 10:57 am

I never implied that they had to but imagine rather than having to go through an ore process you were instead able to simply dig huge veins of 99% pure copper right out of the ground in vast quantities.

This is much closer to what happened with the digital explosion in the West. Pure copper from a “third world” source is no different than offshoring labor costs. They had seagoing vessels, they had a ready outlet for their product, they had the wealth to finance their expeditions and there was a source for their key components in place that was easy to exploit.

Not saying any of it happened, only that there is evidence of that possibility.

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
February 16, 2019 10:25 pm

It was during a warm period also!
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IluvCO2
IluvCO2
  Long Time Lurker
February 16, 2019 11:22 pm

Nice chart. CO2 is life. Does the far right x-axis correspond to the bipennis? Just sayin…

22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
February 16, 2019 11:54 pm

For all you solar minimum freaks (it’s began last year).

http://milesmathis.com/apollo.pdf

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

We are due for a solar minimum and the data is certainly supporting its occurrence, downvote for your past douchery.

Sionnach Liath
Sionnach Liath
February 17, 2019 7:11 am

You should be able to find the book “America B.C. Ancient Settlers in the New World” by Barry Fell. Published in 1976, the ISBN is 0-671-79079-X. It sets forth a detailed discussion of European settlement evidence found in throughout the U.S. It particularly centers on language and the evidence of both celtic and punic language adaptations in some native american languages. The book can be difficult to read, but the information is fascinating – Phoenician artifacts in Iowa and Oklahoma, for instance; and the many celtic inscriptions and structures in New England dating well before the Christian Era.

Sionnach Liath
Sionnach Liath
February 17, 2019 7:30 am

Following my prior comment, you can also look at “The Search For Lost America” by Salvatore Pento. Another study of ancient european ruins found in the U.S. Another fascinating read.