As the public carries on with the great debate about what really happened (or didn’t happen) to Jeffrey Epstein early Saturday morning in the hours before he was found dead in his cell at MCC in an apparent suicide, the Washington Post has unleashed a bombshell.
First, remember how some witnesses claimed they had heard horrifying shrieking coming from Epstein’s cell in the hours before his death? Well, here’s one explanation for that: An autopsy report found that Epstein had endured multiple breaks in his neck bones, deepening the mystery surrounding his death last week.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. These breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject.
But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.
Even Jonathan L. Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, admitted that a hyoid break is more commonly associated with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging.
The hyoid bone played a pivotal role in another critical New York City case: The death of Eric Garner.
The hyoid bone played a central role in a heated dispute last year over another high-profile death in New York, that of Eric Garner. A New York police officer was accused of using an improper chokehold while trying to arrest Garner and of causing his death. A police officers’ association claimed that an autopsy from Sampson’s office found there was no break of Garner’s hyoid bone, and that this proved that the officer could not have strangled Garner and caused his death.
These details, according to WaPo, are the first to emerge from Epstein’s autopsy, something that will undoubtedly be closely watched by the legions of Epstein conspiracists who have emerged since his death.
While AG William Barr has described Epstein’s death as “an apparent suicide,” but DoJ officials have refused to comment on the latest findings from Epstein’s autopsy.
The office of New York City’s chief medical examiner, Barbara Sampson, completed an autopsy of Epstein’s body Sunday. But Sampson listed the cause of his death as pending. Asked about the neck injuries Sampson said in a statement that no single factor in an autopsy can alone provide a conclusive answer about what happened.
“In all forensic investigations, all information must be synthesized to determine the cause and manner of death. Everything must be consistent; no single finding can be evaluated in a vacuum.”
The reports about Epstein’s neck injuries followed revelations that the two guards responsible for guarding him had fallen asleep during the hours before his death, then falsified paper work to try and cover their tracks. And dozens of veteran prosecutors and prison officials were shocked that one of the most high-profile inmates in the country wasn’t more closely watched.
Sure, plenty of details remain to be revealed from Epstein’s autopsy, but his jailhouse death is beginning to sound like something out of ‘the Wire’.
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“Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. These breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject.”
And there you have it. The “Older” man self-committed Arkancide all by himself.
Nothing to see here, no-one to prosecute, move along now…….
TPTB must really believe that we’re ALL of us the rubes that Felonia Von Pantsuit so-named us…….
So far the Pantsuit Princess has been untouchable and actively aided in an overthrow of the Government of the United States of America, she has murdered, abused children, committed massive financial fraud, pay for play with the foundation and was actively involved in a conspiracy with “RUSSIA”….and yet she is drinking cocktails and schmoozing with the rich and powerful same as ever…..nothing in her life has changed, other than not being POTUS she has lost nothing….zero consequences for running a complete criminal mafia on a global scale.
She lost her soul. (If she ever had one.)
Nothing is going to happen. All parties in the government who are “fighting” aren’t doing it over our welfare, they’re doing it to each other to see what cream will rise to the surface and who will run the show. You have the Old Guard (Clintons and their people) versus the Newbies (Trump and his gang). They are merely different faces of the same coin. These people make the Roman Emperors look like amateurs. Isn’t it interesting that all of these disturbing things have been going on for decades and just now the “good guys” are talking about it?
It’s official, Zero…..
5 min. ago Fox-in-the-Henhouse news just reported: Death ruled a suicide..
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- ole Jeff should feel lucky he didn’t get his entrails ripped out and buried to the neck at low tide…..wonder if there was a cable-tow
Was the coroner snoozing, did he wake up and forge the report?
Epstein’s death, whether assisted or not, is a warning.
Is the threat toward the powerful elite to say “you are not safe even in custody” or is it FROM the elite to us?
There was a grisly intimidation style mass killing in Mexico a week ago.
While the only “connection” is the idea that this “offing” of Epstein is so public that if indeed it is murder, it is banana republic style murder and it is intended to warn others.
There are more and more open threats appearing on the landscape.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/19-bodies-hung-from-bridge-or-hacked-up-in-mexico-gang-feud-1.4541380
“This kind of public, theatrical violence, where you don’t just kill, but you brag about killing, is meant to intimidate rivals and send a message to the authorities,” said Mexico security analyst Alejandro Hope.
Two of the bodies hung by ropes from the overpass by their necks, half naked, and one of the dismembered bodies were women, Michoacan Attorney General Adrian Lopez Solis said at a news conference.
Which in no way corroborates it was Epstein.
The body has already been released to an unknown associate and removed from the medical examiner’s office. Cremation or ‘burial’ at sea?
… or that there was even a (real) body.
Either way, Whosie Susie, the warning and message are aimed at We.
Okay, it looks like the suicide story might not stick. Our bribes and threats haven’t stopped quite everyone from coming out with the truth and any more killing will look too suspicious. So, just in case we decide not to go with suicide, plan B is to release info that there was shrieking, then leak to the Washington Post that there are signs of murder, then find a patsy prisoner to put this on. Everyone knows how convicts hate pedophiles. Either way; rest easy. None of it comes back on us.
“Everyone knows how convicts hate pedophiles.”
Due to new comments, I have decided some of those stories about convicts hating pedos is merely convenient cover for the cops. I’m not saying they did it but it sounds like the nigger theory; if a crime got done, it was likely a nigger; you know how they are…. I offered Bulger, Castro and Dahmer as examples of violent deaths that went unexplained or attributed to other prisoners.
Wonder if the stiff’s DNA was anal-yzed, to determine the true identity.
But, even if it doesn’t match, the records will most certainly reflect that the threat has been extinguished, and enough confusion and unanswered questions will never be resolved.
With time, or other distractions, interest will fade.
That’s the modus operandi.
Shit , just more bullshit . There is no way a catch such this gal would even been given the chance to kill himself .
This is just another cover up . He is probably already in Israel as we speak. I do know I am so sick and tired of all the lies !
So, how bad was the run into / out of Lincoln Park, Bobby?
Off topic, but, just curious.
Everyday I worry that some new bullshit might be the last straw and poor BB’s fragile sensibilities won’t be able to take it anymore.
EC- BB is one of few who GET IT. Mossad actors don’t die, they go on to do other things or are given cover for a length of time. Why people blather on about this guy and the Clinton actors killing him or he killed himself is sheer nonsense.
Do you remember the Lizzie Borden thing in history that she whacked her parents? That theater sold a shitload of newspapers at the time. Lizzie was a bloodline actor…….nuff said.
This crap is not even good enough to be labeled bad theater.
He gets it and I agree that it stinks. I was merely mocking his annoyance – “I am so sick and tired of all the lies!”
Arnie had a good comeback to a guy who told him that: ‘You’re sick and tired? You’re a young man, you should be out…’
Bl..
I always thought you were smarter than that Fantasy Island Paradise for for Mossad assets and world leaders who played their part well. Nobody is too good to sacrifice.
Flea – I thought by now you would stop living in Never Neverland. That is pure clap-trap.
Do you have an opinion about our 27% increase in debt in 2 and 1/2 years?
Bl.
I posted my opinion on 27% below.
What are you saying is clap trap. I said the idea of hiding mossad assets for life on paradise island is nonsense.
Of course not That might actually conclude something truthful Can’t have that can we
This can be all so confusing.
Jeff and Jizzlane have settled in comfortably at their swanky, albeit very low-key, strictly kosher, penthouse condo in Eilat. Great diving and friends cumming to visit can take modern water-borne safaris in dangerous neighborhoods with their 40 meter yachts to stay a few weeks for special massages (I.Y.K.W.I.M. wink wink) and parties.
The corpse that the medical examiner had, has now been information cleansed, after receiving that “more information” they required a few days ago. They found the dog food factory in New Jersey and made the delivery. Stop barking up the wrong tree is the message.
Anyway who is paying attention to this “dead issue”?
Half a dozen cops shot in Philadelpia; Cara De La Vigna naked pix and the climax to the NFL pre-season trump all this nonsense over an “accidental” but convenient prison death in New York’s MCC.
Just shut the fuck up already and get prepared for your (Slave) Labor Day Lumpen!
Pesqie- Notice that NOBODY is talking about the FACT that we have 27% MORE national debt than when El Trump was sworn into office?? Yeah, let’s don’t talk about that. How the hell do you add 27% more debt in that short of a time?? UNfukkin believable……..
BL,
27% in 3 years, How? It’s gone hyperbolic…
Once it crashes upon itself, the U.S. Banana Republic will be easily seen and understood by the sheeple.
After all, why do you think the sanctions, European SWIFT alternative, and One Belt One Road initiative throughout Africa and Asia is happening?
To insulate them from the intentional destruction of the fiat Dollar of course because this is a global restructuring ( or as the Nazis referred to it, a “bringing into line”) for one world supranational rule by institutions like the U.N., B.I.S., WORLD COURT, and I.M.F.
Plato- Three years come late January, 2020. THAT is in a hair over two and one half years. You would have to bust a nut getting that much spending in motion, not a accident and NOBODY is talking about it here.
BL,
I was rounding up, but good point. Makes it even worse.
That’s the elephant in the room that the bread and circuses are used to distract us from and use normalcy bias against the masses!
OK but was that the Jews doing that or feckless US politicians of all backgrounds who would rather kick the can down the road instead of doing the right thing? Asking for a friend.
M. Hummer- Take your shoes off and start counting, you might figure it out before the next election.
Did you mean parabolic?
E.C.
Indeed I did. Even when typing it didn’t look right.
Gracias for correction…
he is good like that isn’t he?
BL..
Are you arguing for or against the 27% increase? If you are asking how it was added so fast I can point you towards an answer. Fiat money is debt. We are issuing bonds and then buying them back with more computer generated money. Just to name one.
Which works for a while, especially when the USD is the world’s reserve currency….but all world currency ultimately give way to another currency and then the game is over…we will interest rate takers not makers.
And hence GOLD and SILVER or real money will shine brighter than ever Maybe even Bitcoin which I don’t fully comprehend
A trillion here, a trillion there….it costs a pretty penny to be the global hegemon ya know.
Doesn’t hurt so much here because the Evil Fucker bankers make it easy and fun. For now.
Since nobody gives a shit about living within their budget until the credit cards don’t work, the EBT cards stop delivering, or the tumbrels start running again, why should Unkle Shmuel and The Man From Queens?
You get that when the economy collapses and nothing improves in ten years Yup that’s what you get alright Can it continue? Maybe for awhile longer but it’s on its last legs I would imagine
Makes you wonder who the poor schlub on the stretcher is and whether his family is getting paid for his sacrifice.
Probably just a dead clone of Epstein and like BL AND BB mentioned, he is in Israel with his Talmudic mossad ties.
I have been told that this is a tactic being used since the human genome was cracked and cloning research went underground because of the U.N. moratorium on cloning went into effect.
Same thing happens to families who don’t give up looking for their missing children….eventually the body (of a clone) is dumped somewhere to be found and provide closure and no more snooping that might lead to aspects of the government human trafficking division within the FBI being exposed.
OK who told you that: I have been told that this is a tactic being used since the human genome was cracked and cloning research went underground because of the U.N. moratorium on cloning went into effect.”
A former Marine who I was introduced to in the most peculiar of ways. The same marine who discussed how he was identified, targeted then recruited by the private sector while he was training to be a marine. His former employer was none other than the deceased basketball owner of the Los Angeles Lakers, Dr. Jerry Buss.
Ok so is Jerry Buss now a Mossad agent? I am confused….seriously, lay it out for me. (with opsec of course).
Martel,
Couldn’t tell ya if Jerry was or not. What I can tell ya is that Jerry was high up in a fraternity, just like current Commissioners and tram owners of the NBA and NFL are.
What I found interesting about my conversations with this guy was the depth of knowledge he had about a wide range of things. It was confusing for me too. My source said when a spy debriefs there are countless connections hidden without the requisite info but once it is provided it allows for the picture to come into better focus.
For example,
Do you know what Dr. Jerry Buss’s doctorate was in? (No cheating, using the internet to find out).
No? No guess?
Dr. Buss was a graduate of the University of Wyoming, earning his Bachelor’s degree in chemistry, and subsequently a Ph. D in physical chemistry from the University of Southern California.
According to this employee of Dr. Buss…while at USC Dr. Buss mapped the entire human genome, which was necessary step towards being able to clone humans. Yes, Buss went to USC in the late 50s and sat on the Chemistry dept for a bit there as well…let that sink in for a moment….mind you that the official public story isnthat the Human Genome Project began in 1990 and ended in 2003.
I lived in LA and just knew of Buss as the rich dude that owned the Lakers. Very interesting background. Thanks for providing that.
Na
The first question should be, HOW COULD HE HAVE HUNG HIMSELF??? He didn’t……..
I’m quite certain there aren’t exposed pipes in the ceiling or sheets that can be torn into long strips to do the job.
But the bigger question, what are we being distracted from?? Red Flag Law legislation? A new war brewing? The crashing dollar?
Rest assured, something bigger is lurking, and the NWO doesn’t want it exposed…..yet
One of the things that always happens is the massive overload of confusing and conflicting bits of ‘information’ that obfuscate and cloud situations like Epstein’s death. That’s done deliberately so that there isn’t a focus or specific direction to follow to come to definitive answers. There’s always the conjecture about the death like what’s happening on this comments thread. He’s not dead, it wasn’t him killed, Mossad, Israel, shrieking, body double, no guards, murder, suicide, etc.
Like any good homicide cop I always look for method, motive and opportunity. Qui bono? There are many who profited from his death and the top of the heap is Bill Clinton and his nasty wife Hillary, two creatures with a massive hit list of dead people who got in their way and threatened testimony against them.
The hyoid bone is difficult to break, very difficult, it requires a great deal of strength to strangle someone and for there to be several neck bones broken indicates that massive force was used on him. His age is also a factor since older bones break easier but again, it is very difficult to break the hyoid bone. A choke hold would do it, hand strength alone is possible if the murderer is very strong. Strangulation is not hanging, a person attempting to strangle themselves would suffocate rather than break neck bones. Petechiae presence would be a big tell as to cause of death…
When a child describes being choked as a part of an assault, petechiae may be present on the neck, face, eyes, and ears. In this case, the father’s choking action was substantially forceful and lasted more than just a few seconds, as evidenced by the petechial showers below the girl’s eyebrows and on the pinna of the ear. Strangulation can cause the blood vessels in the skin to rupture above the area of constriction if the strangulation obstructs venous return while allowing arterial blood flow. Pressure builds in the venules and capillaries, and in areas of little connective support tissue, rupture of these vessels causes petechiae.
Without going into how I know some stuff, I will say that in my opinion, Epstein was murdered, that it was him on the gurney (death does alter physiognomy) the changes noted in his ear are often present in cases of strangulation ( petechiae will alter the ear appearance) he was strangled and the person(s) who killed him either looked him in the eye while doing so or grabbed him from behind, he did not kill himself.
https://www.consultant360.com/articles/telltale-petechiae-and-bruises-abusive-strangulation-adolescent-girl
I guessed he had been strangled from behind. The face is partially hidden so we don’t see his open mouth as if he were gasping for air, which would not be open if he had hands under his jaw. That’s why I guessed a cord or rope or t-shirt was used to strangle him. Notice how they put a neck brace on him to hide the marks.
I was looking for a way to post the scene where Tamaru chokes Ushikawa. After Ushikawa is dead, Tamaru massages the face into a more normal appearance, as if he had died peacefully instead of fighting for breath.
EC: All good possibilities there. What’s really interesting is that there are even photos of him on that gurney. Ambu bag and all, wonder what all EMS did to him? How long before they were called? If the sleeping guards and no video are any indication, Epstein had probably assumed room temps before they were called. I question the neck brace, and for his face to be uncovered, generally the dead have their faces covered, well, seems like more smoke and mirrors. .
“(death does alter physiognomy) the changes noted in his ear are often present in cases of strangulation ( petechiae will alter the ear appearance)”
MyGirl, petechiae are a change in surface appearance however I would submit that strangulation would not change gross morphology. Such as shape of auricular cartilage and nasal profile outline. I failed to see evidence of altered gross anatomy from strangulation in your linked article
All we can do is conjecture and speculate And it sure is interesting and entertaining. I am not sold on his death, tho’ it would fit many proffered narratives. “They” want us to believe he is dead, for better or worse. Hence all the distracting clues to focus on that belief. And comedy of errors in timelines and personnel failures.
Is it fantasy to think he is in protective custody to prevent him being off’d by the usual suspects gunning for his hide?
Or is he being debriefed in Israel?
IDK
Strangulation can indeed alter morphology….I stated that death can alter gross morphology meaning that without the muscles animated the skin and muscle sink and gravity takes effect, I should have added that the appearance of the face is affected. If you want some real information, read this….
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No amount of strangulation/hanging would change the ear cartilage. If one believes those photos showing ear cartilage changes, then something is suspected. And I read those pdf’s.
I for one would like to see dental records of the stiff and of JE.
The story about the Keystone cops napping while Eppy fought the big sleep is the same misdirection as the schoolbook depository. They should bring the cops out on Ellen so they can give their story to the public.
Ellen – And this is the last interview you will give to the public, right?
I wonder what he had besides the picture of Willy in drag?
Kind of interesting the FBI raided Pedo Island only after his death…..
yep,they needed to update j edgar hoover’s files–
I’m sure some of the crooked fraternal Brotherhood FBI agents who undoubtedly were part of the team deployed to raid Orgy Island are destroying evidence as we speak.
was it a pic or a painting?the terms were used interchangeably in the article–
it looked like a pic–
Get ready for a year’s worth of lame supporting stories to keep the hoax afloat.
Like this story.
has miles weighed in yet w/the true story of what really happened?
Only generally speaking.
That is, wealthy Jewish ass-hats routinely fake their deaths.
nothing wrong w/that,i want to be rich enuf to fake out gawd & live forever–
ask miles how i can do that–
You get it.
Rear naked choke. Pick it up at 4:00 to know the correct way to do it.
there was a time when that kind of info didn’t make it out of the dojo 4 fear that amateurs would hurt people–still a good idea,though it’ll never happen–
Really? If I wanted to hurt someone there are a few thousand ways, including those that DON’T require you to get within arm’s reach of the victim – I like the sniper’s motto, “Reach out and touch someone”! Worrying about a choke taught in legitimate MMA becoming a street go-to move is kinda silly.
Steve,
I think Epstein (or a body double who was betrayed) had an Italian Driver (ID) pull in behind him in the cell.
Being half Italian and a hater of PC…I like to call it the Wop Wringer (WW) or the Ginzo Guillotine (GG).
Well! This is a surprise! As Joe Biden would say, come on! The Diversity/Affirmative Action guards took a pay off to look the other way and allow some thug to go in and strangle Epstein. Oldest trick in the book. Too bad about those “horrifying shrieks” coming from his cell. Frankly, I am more interested in Ghislaine, his Mossad side kick. Wonder where the hell she is?
sage,
there was a thread on here yesterday that said she had been found at a new b friend’s house–
he’s a tech mogul & has a secluded mansion on the water up in the northeast,massachusetts?
Tech mogul stated she was not there….was never there….
Tampa et al,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-15/tech-ceo-denies-epsteins-alleged-madam-living-his-oceanfront-mansion
According to her CEO boyfriend she isn’t there haha
Some good ol’ popcorn eating circuses to distract us into complacency as the agendas are propelled forward
thanks ,plato & mygirl,i obviously hadn’t heard that–
Speaking of agendas…I shop Walmart on line, get dog food, etc, delivered to my door and avoid the stores. So, I go looking for canned tomatoes, everything except the expensive stuff sold out. Odd, so I go look at canned cabbage (bleech) that’s sold out too. Ditto for collard greens and then canned chicken and several other items. So, are folks prepping?
there’s a shortage of canned goods currently because of poor harvests & flooding–
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-17/due-poor-harvest-season-were-experiencing-shortages-many-canned-vegetable-items
I heard that might happen.
since i posted that i saw an article that said 19 million acres did not get planted this year,mostly in the midwest–
Absolutely ,with all the talk of crop failures, flooding, economic collapse everywhere I’m sure they are I am to some extent but not crazy loon stuff You know the necessities Beer, vodka, heavy cream
https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epsteins-gal-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-spotted-at-in-n-out-burger-in-first-photos-since-his-death/
Did you see the book she was supposdely carrying with her to read?
“The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives.”
Almost like she was a plant and the book is a sort of Q message.
In spycraft they call it a “wink”
I doesn’t take a spook to figure that out but they could also have been coerced which is more likely because no amount of money is worth the shit they are in right now. I guess you took that route to gratuitously run down ‘affirmative action guards’.
Please tell us that story about how your secretaries would kiss you each day. I love that colonial bullshit.
Any day now, we will see the headline: “Epstein was Whacked” in the meantime, we will continue to see tentative headlines like “Epstein had several stabs wounds and a cut throat, coroner needs more info” Only Trump has the cojones to suggest it was the Clintons and not suicide.
So what am I supposed to think today, I haven’t listened to NPR yet. Is it still suicide or is it okay to think it’s murder?
Just let me know and I’ll get right on board.
watch the tv news & talk shows,they’ll tell you–
– I’ll take door number 3, Jim.
– Let’s look at the doors you didn’t pick, door number 1, suicide. This is the media approved narrative. Door number 2, is heart failure, not as popular an option but still quite tasteful to the upper crust of society.
Tune in to CNN, they’ll tell you what to think and how to act 24 hrs a day. NPR sometimes gives out weather reports in between the Trump bashings so don’t count on them 24/7.
CNN doesn’t Fredo work for them They are about as reliable for the truth as the BBC
I think it is pretty clear he was whacked, now we are trying to pin the tail on the donkey (Clinton’s) or the Jews (the rabid anti-semite rabble) though of course, we should not rule BOTH!
Shalomo Marty, no it is not clear the anyone was whacked.
Err………I think it’s pretty clear with the broken Hyoid, the neck brace to hide the marks and the reports of screams and drama plus the prior incident and if you took one look at the cellie…well he was fucking whacked. Who dun it is the question……see how that works boys and girls….actual clues leading to a theory/hypothesis….not the Earth is Flat….and it was the JEWS!
You believe that Marty, why? BECAUSE you saw it on the LAMESTREAM MEDIA?
They always tell the truth right Marty? Most of the time you remind me of Stucky.
So, you’re saying most of the time I believe the MSM???
THAT’S SLANDER!!! (Or, is is libel?) At any rate, I DEMAND an apology!!!
Stucky
Thanks for finally showing up!! I try to get a traditional TBP Shitfest going and you and Llpoh don’t bother to help til the day is almost over.
Fat chance for an apology mister NEVER questions the official narrative. I could bet that you have a tee shirt that says….”Muh Official 9/11 Narrative”on it.
BL – I have had less fun with the shitfests of late. I appreciate the attempt, but the people posting anonymously, etc., have killed the fun of it for the moment.
Where is Star? I want to point out the Tesla shareprice to him. And that short sellers have made billions. I love poking him about that.
Hey Llpoh….I haven’t seen him much lately since I threatened to get even with him for the yorkie BS he dished out.
He’ll surface eventually.
The Inside Story of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden by Dick Cheney
I apologize.
I can’t accept your apology. I too, was wrong.
Really
Really?
Paula, he was apologizing to LLPOH, I was being uncharacteristically facetious.
Okay then.
Exactly Remember the BBC on 911 Sheep will be. Sheep I guess our IQs really are that low
I’m no flat earther, but nice try trying to lump me in to discredit what ive said…
and we have been fairly specific on this site, thus (( )) , to not single out an entire country, race or religion…cery specific, kabbalistic Talmudic Jews who say they are Jews but aren’t.
Along the way any other homo sapien can be conscripted or enticed through covet means, blackmail or bribery to “look the other way” like Epsteins prison guards did as well as everyone connected to Epstein over the past decade whether it be a maid, pilot, chaeuffer, attorney, judge, politician, law enforcement officer and on and on….
You ask for names but there are countless names floating around in various lawsuits against Epstein, many just haven’t been made public yet.
How do you know for certain that was JE that they allegedly performed the autopsy on Removing tin hat now
The Mossad has the most to gain by Epstein dying – protecting their blackmailed assets from exposure. They are also one of the few players with the resources in NYC to pull it off.
Why is it you always try to get out in front of anything that makes Jews look bad? It’s almost like . . . .
I’ll take Hasbara troll for $500 AC.
Is that for me? I don’t like the Jews, I find them obnoxious, tribal and not nearly as smart as they think they are….but I also think it is equally obnoxious to blame the really bad shit that is happening on some mystical force that nobody can do anything about…. The 27% increase in the deficit is a prime example….we did that all on our own…blame Trump, Pelosi, Schummer (filthy JEW!) and McConnell plus that asshat Paul Ryan. Way more concerning to me than whether the Mossad took Jeffery out of the Manhattan Correctional Facility to a house in Eilat….
The whole Jew conspiracy is simply an excuse for being powerless….instead of pretending you are not responsible for your own lives…too many here simply throw up their hands and say “Its the Jews”……
OK…so if it is THE JEWS…why aren’t you killing the fuckers in the streets? Why aren’t you burning down every synagogue?
The Koran plays it straight:
“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ ”
At least that is logical….it is kind of pathetic what we have here with the anti-semitic cabal….
Martel,
You use the word cabal referencing the “anti-Semitic cabal” here but when someone else suggests a real cabal that has ties to Talmudic and Luciferian teachings, practices like human sacrifice, these “high priests” who protect their holy of holies and who happen to be some of the very banking, governmental, military, corporate and Hollywood elite, then you can’t accept this? Secret Socities DO very well exist and persist and possess and inordinate amount of influence and power over world affairs, at least those at the top of the pyramid.
There are countless examples of satanic and kabbalistic artwork, pictures and writings at the highest rungs of our society, Look at the artwork at Comet Ping Pong or James Alefantis or the Podestas own homes to understand that this is systemic for our political and corporate system and not isolated occurrences or a couple of bad apples.
Some individuals in the military
And alphabet agencies even suggest that you cannot obtain positions of importance without having been initiated into the secrets of Freemasonry or other similar brotherhood fraternities.
Epstein, Weinstein, James Alefantis, Alister Crowley, the Podestas, Clintons, Obamas, Bushs, are just a few of the names that come to mind.
So why am I talking about secret societies, kabbalistic Jews, Luciferianism and Satanism , together?? because once you start studying them you immediately see how similar the teachings, practices and rituals are. Then you tie in Marxism and it’s teachings and you have the New World Order BEAST SYSTEM, “Do what thou wilt” like Epstein even alluded to in a recently rereleased interview…ill try and find it and link it in a few
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-14/epstein-tapes-emerge-jeffrey-epstein-describes-his-lifestyle-unearthed-recordings
Here is an excerpt from the linked Zerohedge article above:
Fine, I agree with those secret societies the Malloch sacrifices at Bohemian Grove, the Bilderbergers and those arrogant MFers at the Council on Foreign Relations and their betters at the Trilateral Commission and then the various affinity groups, Free Mason etc. I buy all that.
My challenge though is how do then pull these many many threads (and competing interests) back to an all-powerful Jewish “Cabal” that has been ongoing for thousands of years across several continents.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof…..that’s the point I keep trying to make
Martel,
I am being redundant…again…as far as this post but:
The best book I have read to date pulling the threads together the last 200 years (written in 2016) is below.
Plenty of non-Jews, Jews, pretend Jews, and mostly totally corrupt, debased, sold out to satan players’ murder of Uncle Sam explained in chronological order.
Makes me wish England had a giant plug that God would have pulled 200 years ago allowing England to circle down the drain faster and spared U.S. (As it is slowly circling today).
Now this one just drills down on the CIA, The Vatican & the Mafia from 1945 to 2016 but it also give more the devil is in the details…details.
Operation Gladio was a mind blower when I first heard about it. I will check out The Killing of Uncle Sam. Thanks
I’m serious man it is the big ugly picture!
Plenty of non-Jews and Jews explained in Uncle Sam’s Murder. (It was defiantly not a suicide)
The non-Jews are frequent…the Jews are severe.
Severity & Frequency explained.
I notice you managed to completely avoid the subject.
Hammered..
Why aren’t you killing those on your list of enemies of the country. You claim to know who it is and claim to have a huge arsenal as well as being an expert shooter. You should be on your second boxcar of ammo by now.
Dude seriously unwad your panties. I have never claimed to have a huge arsenal and while I am prepared to go kinetic I won’t be going first. I am not an expert shooter, though I have had lots of practice! I am just OK….I can shoot “minute of Elk” but you won’t see me in one of those F1000 competitions. So grab a fucking PBR and chill out.
Any actual proof about Mossad? Thought not.
The first question is always “cui bono?”
Unless you’re covering for someone. Then you would do otherwise.
we laugh about the clintons but imo they probably had less reason to kill him then did others–
does anyone doubt the stories you have heard about either clinton long b4 epstein was on the public’s radar?
on the other hand,how many “upstanding” citizens whom we would have never suspected would have had their name dragged thru the public square if he had lived & gone to trial?
i vote either mossad or a us govt approved hit,if as seems likely it turns out to have been an assassination–
Red..
You didn’t ask me but I agree. We all knew Willie would screw a snake if someone held it’s head for him and that Hill was a lezzy freak but names of “Old Money” were being whispered. Hill, Bill and Epstein are just chump change in comparison.
i told you the other day flea,hanging around me is making you smarter–
are you taking care of yourself?i want to you to make it at least long enough to get the iq up to the sub saharan level–
seriously,you haven’t mentioned it 4 awhile,are you still breathing ok up there in the hills?
Red.
Hanging around you makes me look smart by comparison so I don’t mind you tagging along.
I don’t mention it because I can’t stand whining about my health. It’s such a blessing to be alive and not laying in a gutter for 38 years that just breathing a little is a good deal. I’m going to have to get down lower though. Can’t get back above 20% ejection fraction and with no lungs just can’t exercise enough. Am making plans to boogie before things fall apart. I don’t see this ponzi scheme holding up all winter. Bonds inverting, wars being instigated both here and abroad. We are being inundated with Seattle refugee yuppies. You’re being invaded by northern liberals, so is Arizona but at least they don’t want to be out where I go. I can go over the border to get my inhalers to muddle through for a dime on a dollar here in the states and I don’t need this stupid O2 bottle. Even the Illegals don’t try to cross where I am down there it’s so desolate.
hang in there & don’t go dark on us like you did b4–
Hell yea Flea, just scrolling down and read this, keep your light on here!
Sooner or later we all may go dark here, and if so…remember:
‘It don’t mean noth’in’.
Flea…..
I don’t really wanta jump in about who’s smarter, but I know I’m the best lookin’….and with all that ocean front property, an O2 bottle can come in handy:
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- if you’re anywhere near Mt. Graham, you may be in for strange happenings….
“Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of (this) new unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations. However, once the ‘religious content’ originating from outside the earth ‘has been verified’ they will have to conduct a ‘re-reading (of the Gospel) inclusive of the new data……”
Vatican Astronomer
(connected with Opus Dei)
Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti
Ordo..
Right. Iv’e seen “Them” setting the stage for that for quite a while but recently it’s speeding up. A few months ago the DOD or the Army(can’t remember which) came out and said there are UFO’s. Someone must save us from ourselves and it can’t be God of the Bible. In fact, one translation I read years ago said The Antichrist will worship an alien god. The same verse said “nor will he worship the god of Women” which I understood then to be Feminism. Not sure anymore though. Maybe they meant witchcraft.
OK, you can yell at me all you want….you earned that right! My dad had COPD and lived with 15% lung function for a long long time. It is tough and I am glad you are here.
Martel.
I can’t shout without shedding body parts or spit clear of the truck door at a red light but that’s not what bothers me. We have plenty of morons here whose only high card is insulting people for their opinions instead of because they are being an ass. For you to do that would be playing your low card. However, Iv’e been saying for years here that an anonymous reply is gutless and as Looey said, they get no respect. As long as you are willing to sign your stuff I’m cool no matter what else I say and unlike some here I don’t stay mad overnight because I can’t remember that far back in time.
Flea – you are well regarded. I am sorry to hear about your struggles – growing old sucks, and that is the truth of it. I will think good thoughts for you.
I have much respect for fleabo and I have expressed it. I have nothing but sympathy for people who live with bad memories, this place helps to keep ones sanity above 50%. I don’t like to mess with old dudes, except in good natured fun. Hollywood will come around some day, it’s a damn shame somebody beat him like a stray cur so long ago.
Doesn’t the heat drop the oxygen level over there?
CeeDog.
Believe it or not I like the heck out of you and Llpoh.
It’s slightly less oxygen but at 4 to 500 ft. its not a big difference like being at 5300. It’s the summer heat when the breeze stops.
Perhaps it was somewhat deserved.
I was teasing Left a Comment and did not take the anxiety she mentioned seriously.
As for the other? I have crossed that bridge. In style.
And, Anon comes in handy with stalkers and thought police on duty.
You still don’t know that left a comment never left.
If Left a Comment never left then Why’d YOU leave a comment blaming me when Left a Comment left?
Riddle me that…
’tis me.
Llpoh.
Thanks. Everybody’s got sumthin. I’m glad to have my sumthin, when I look at the less fortunates of the world. Their sumthin is really somthin.
Flea, you know you are loved when Admin pops in and says don’t go away. How many others here can say that??
Mary C..
It’s nice to see the well wishing but I’m fortunate to just have what I have. I did in home hospice for a sister and a brother in law who had cancer. My pain is all in the chest, Yours is in the heart. Mine is predictable, yours isn’t and I am glad you are here for a break. I was getting worried.
Yup, stay the course, what you have to say has value. I appreciate your comments and the thinking that goes on behind them, also your life experiences count for a great deal.
Very true Everybody already knows that Bill is a sexual predator and Hillary is …. well we all know what she is DONT we
Sure wasn’t suicide Whether he’s dead or not there’s no way of us sheep knowing Watch for a burial at sea or some guy shouting he had to pull it
Regarding the fractured hyoid bone; its purpose is to support the tongue and it is unique in the human body by not being attached to any other bone, rather it is attached by cartilage and muscle. If you look at one it has two sets of ‘horns’, the great or upper horns and the lesser or lower ones. To fracture it requires pressure that pushes it backwards towards the spinal column, flattening it beyond it’s ability to bend, usually found in manual strangulation (thumbs pressing into it deflect it’s arc shape enough to cause it to break). When someone hangs themselves, they will almost always place the noose end around their throat well below the Adam’s apple because most people will be in an erect position, either sitting or standing and gravity will allow it to fall slightly even if it has been cinched tight. As the noose tightens from the weight of the body it will slip upwards toward the jawline, slipping over the arc shaped hyoid bone, causing it to deflect as it was designed to do and allowing the noose to slip past.
I’m no coroner, but I understand how bones and muscles work and I am familiar with the process of asphyxiation versus strangulation. If that bone was broken, he was manually strangled rather than asphyxiated by a noose. The probability of it occurring absent a plunge from some height not found in his cell is virtually nil.
Hyoid bone fracture looks to occur in about 15% of hangings according to one study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20973326/
I stopped reading at .gov.
Not that I believe any of this nonsense anyway.
But I’ll see you and raise you-
Manual strangulation: experimental approach to the genesis of hyoid bone fractures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23597739
Using papers to refute from sources you don’t believe? That’s amazing.
Anyway, I wasn’t attacking you. I meant to show that the chances do not seem to be virtually nil, as you asserted.
Sort of like asserting something is nonsense, when you are no subject matter expert; a point you conceded up front.
Or like the time you asserted blue-eyed parents couldn’t have brown-eyed offspring (wrong).
Or the time you asserted rockets need atmosphere to “push on” (wrong).
I regret that typewritten words often fail to communicate the more subtle kinds of communications that normally occur between human beings, like humor.
I cited from the exact same source to demonstrate that the exact same source often contradicts itself, most notably when it’s government funded research. Too bad you missed that, it was a hoot when I wrote it.
Anyway, I am certain that the odds of his hyoid bone being broken by self strangulation are as high as the odds that the camera was inoperable/the guards were both asleep/he was taken off suicide watch ten days after a suicide attempt/etc./etc.
In other words…
Yup it’s all a bunch of hokum and they actually expect us to believe the “official” story How quaint
Nuthin’ to see here folks!
And for the record Hilary is the most amazing, gentle and kind person to walk the earth since Mohammed died in 632 or so….
I’m outta here to get a tooth pulled, carry on. Marty…..GFY.
rins,
it’s too late 4 you to suck up to w/this kind of caca,she has a record of everything you’ve here & everywhere else–
oh rinsie,we hardly knew ye
Dammit red! Leave it to you to burst my balloon…
Gotta say Ole Bea is really on a roll today…
pretty entertaining..
You too Tampa!
Both of you are really stepping up your game!
The Hammer is doing great too!
And you are right, Cankles got the goods on all of us but she is gonna be busy the next year or so spearing bigger fish than us fry. So for now at least I ain’t worried..
I luvs this place… for some reason I can’t stay away..
So fling some shit you monkeys!
This nigga needs a laugh or two…
Her smile says: “I’m white but my kids won’t be!’
That’s all you see on tv anymore.
Hey Marty……..guess who controls that shit too……..Da Joos. (((They))) are pushing these ugly white girls to hook up with blacks. I know, I know….prove it.
The good news, the tooth extraction pushed to next week. The bad news is I had to pay for a crown $1000. FMD
Geeze Bea after all this ranting aboot the Joos….
Shouldn’t you be trying harder to save yer teeth… no need to be feeding into stereotypes and all..
? Good one RiNSe…
Thanks Man!!
… Appreciating the effort….
her smile be channeling bertha butt,”i’ll sock it to ya daddy.”
The good new is, they keep those ugly mamas off the streets most of the time so we only have to look at them on walmart freaks of the week.
Effective immediately we have a new posting policy.Any post that includes white females must first be sent to my email for approval.
If I wanted to see crap like this I would have kept my job in Philly.
RINS,you should know better then this,this was posted at noon in the western time zone,between stepping past piles of shit while out to lunch & then going back to the office & seeing this,you could have made somebody in LA or SanFran lose their lunch.
I’ll be watching you.
What??????? You got a new job??? Really?
(I must have missed the post where you shared it … IF you shared it. So, where do you work now? Ikea?)
Hope a good story is upcoming
..
than
That
“RINS,you should know better then this,”
Great now I’m on the shit list with Cankles and Admin…
what ta do……
Rob – still plenty of room in Oz. That is disturbing.
Yeah that is pretty fucked up… this country is going to shit and Mr. Yaniv is the poster girl… As for Oz I do have a cousin living there and far as I have been told it is a great place.. wonder how long it would take to sail there….
When what’s left of the civil society collapses morons like this Yaniv won’t last 5 minutes.
llpoh,
if he goes over there to you,don’t give the effer internet access–after 2 posts in a row like this,there’s no telling what he’ll do–
I just can’t help myself these days…
Who isn’t on Cankles shit list
Am going to a farm ‘n ranch store tomorrow. I will see what sort of corn fed gals I see. I bet there will be a doozie. Or 2.
Wasn’t much to see at the farm store, so I poppedon over to the Fredericktown Walmart for a snapshot of Southeastern Misery Flavored Wally World Eye Candy! You monkeys enjoy!
[Oh… and blame RiNS for this ugly white woman picture too, Admin!]
I pulled in and saw her taking her cart back, so positioned myself for the Walmart shot of the day!
It was meant to be.
I took a really special wally world image today and submitted it below in honor of RiNS.
LOL… it appeared right above here so I edited out the link. Too much of that image hurt my eyes.
Hillary walked the earth back then, she didn’t assume human form until after the 13th century.
It would have been more humane for the cops to simply shoot him for “resisting” instead of putting him in prison, assuming of course he is actually dead.
We’re the sleeping guards subject to toxicology. Perhaps they were mickied.
the cameras should show if anybody else was around to put something in their coffee so,oh,never mind–technology is so unreliable–
A Mickey Finn (or simply Mickey) is a slang term for a drink laced with a drug (especially chloral hydrate) given to someone without their knowledge in order to incapacitate them. Serving someone a Mickey Finn is most commonly referred to as slipping a mickey, sometimes spelled “slipping a mickie”.
Interesting discussion.
We made hay while the sun was shining. It was more productive. 307 square bales and 65 round bales.
I do not think it was a mickie. But I only know three other guys who died in jail. All suspicious but none investigated. Why? They were in jail.
We are in gulag level caca.
Nothing but fat and happy cattle and hay round bales around me been a good fire season also. Martel from the phone.
Hey leave MM out of this.
Who the hell gives a rat’s ass about epstein?
Are you serious or delirious?
Come on…no one cares about Epstein…it’s what he did, knows, who he was working for, with, against.
What could have been learned, proven, charged against those in the higher pyramid levels he moved among.
Leads, evidence, convictions…elite dominos falling on one another, collapsing, jammed up and flipped over…turning on one another.
That’s what was worth caring about.
Mark..
“Their” naked shorts aren’t enough to keep the price down and keep it down anymore. They stepped in and knocked it down twice the last two days and it just roared back. Hang on for a wild ride. I might be around to have my parade yet.
I’m with ya Flea…been going looooooooong this round since since late 2013.
Me too Real looooooong
Lebowski,
You can’t hack a stack…
You can’t get frisked with no (Bankster) counter party risk…
If you hold…some Gold….you also wont quiver, holding some Silver…
Stay Loooooog…says Constitutional Cong!
the fact that the most high profile prisoner in the country can die either as a suicide or as seems to be more/more likely killed right in front of sleeping guards is just as important as who he had dirt on–
“Sleeping guards” How on earth does anybody think up such stupidity Has reality become the Three Stooges Damn As Greg Hunter says “ to too stupid to be stupid”
“You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of wealth, a dimension of sex, a dimension of murder. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of thugs and oligarchs. You’ve just crossed over into… the Twilight Zone.”
We like Outer Limits.
Well I’m so glad I dropped in. A shitfest here takes my mind off of my own personal family shitfest I’m dealing with. At least I know Martel still hates me and thinks I’m a Jew hater.
Other people know me better than that but thanks for the grins. I can always depend on this place to take my mind off of things that are mostly keeping me from writing decent comments. Maybe I will write about family shitfest someday.
M.C.
Going though some family drama myself. A thick book still wouldn’t be able to explain how screwed up some of it is but we can always count on this place for some lively spirited comedic discussions to take our minds off it, albeit temporarily .
Ok I made amends with Flea and MC but you are still a commie rat!
Sticks and stones, Martel
Sticks and stones…
Plato
Why does Marty believe you to be a commie?
I can only make so many amends in one day….Plato is a bit of a leftist….but he makes great well informed comments.
No need for apologies, just bring donuts and all will be forgiven.
Martel..
You have been on fire in this thread..
Sheesh, Plato, it’s emotionally draining, isn’t it? Doesn’t leave your mental capacities up for much else. I was wondering why you hadn’t been around much.
It’s like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object sometimes…
Sometimes I just have to take a step back and take myself out of the situation.
MC: You have my deepest sympathies regarding family shitfests….when it comes to having implacable enemies nothing beats family.
Mygirl
Know why we call family…family? Because you can’t call them friends.
Sorry if I was harsh my comments come across that way sometimes. You have written some great stuff that I really enjoyed. I will try and be more focused on content and less on cutting remarks. Martel from the phone.
No need to apologize.
It was good discourse that I am sure many of us, including you and I, learned something from.
I started having custom work boots made due to a wide foot. After my
3rd pair I ended up talking with the boot maker and I stated I like his
boots and it is worth the extra price as they last longer than any other
boot I have used in the past.
I continued to state that when I
wore Timberlands my feet would STINK>>>>BAD. He proceeded to
tell me that the corporate manufacturers decided that they would use
swine skin to cut costs. These pigs are not even fit for eating he
stated.
He continued to explain that the pigs hormones mix with
yours in the boot and produce that “Garbage Smell”. I said “exactly” it
smells like garbage! My feet don’t smell like that. He stated that pig
and human hormones don’t mix.
Cow leather boots it always smells like leather until they have served their useful life.
Corporate boot makers have descended into making you pay premium money for pigs feet!
Pay the extra money for well designed stitched soles (not liquid nail glued) and long lasting leather workwear.
You also employ your fellow American!
This is the third time I see this post, Big Jim Iron is a bot.
Yep…second for me.
EC..
I was trolling him with that joke to see if he was a troll if you’ll pardon the pun. Maybe you could say I was probing his perimeter but that might sound too gay.
BIG JIM IRONWORKER SOUNDING DUDE. ARE YOU GAY ACTING STRAIGHT. If you are, Gay Veteran went home already.
OT
The only thing worse than a year of lame supporting stories to bolster the Epstein hoax is ->
The NH Trumptard contingent cheering on the crypto-Jewish reality-TV star earlier today.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-hampshire-rally-dems-nearby
Drumpf: “Now we have a bunch of socialists or communists to beat.”
22winmag: Bullshit, you’re just polishing the brass on the Titanic!
not related to the murder but this is off a financial planning email i receive–it is about epstein’s heirs & discusses the status & amount of his estate–
https://www.thewealthadvisor.com/article/jeffrey-epsteins-brother-marc-will-likely-inherit-his-almost-billion-dollar-estate-which-he
WTF?
Do you realize what this means?
It means Marc Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein are likely the same person. The only thing that died was the Jeffrey personality.
Just like the OJ Simpson hoaxed murders.
Denise Brown and her supposed “twin sister” Nicole Brown Simpson were the same person all along. The only thing that died was the Nicole personality.
This is not rocket science.
http://mileswmathis.com/oj.pdf
winnie,
there’s a big problem here–nicole was way hotter than denise,so don’t compare the 2 cases–
tell miles to get out of the gay club long enough to compare their pics & bods–
22-there is a school of thought that Nicole later became the highly hyped bitchy blonde on Fuxx News.
I have seen the biometric comparisons and it was pretty convincing. Tv news talking heads are acting also and Ms Kelly can really bitch to the camera.
They had him killed, plain and simple, and nothing they ever say will change that in my mind unless they come out and say Clinton had ties to it….. Just too many screw ups. Keep your eyes open for the never appearing names of the so called two guards…. They were more than likely FBI / CIA plants who offed him….. They have probably vanished into their old jobs of continually “fixing” things. The so called names of these two guards will never appear or be asked about by the media and that aspect will fade from the story entirely………
No shit, Fester. At least we saw a guard from Vegas, an actor possibly, but it was something.
The only question is whether Epstein was CIA or Mossad or both.
Iska- Emmanuel Goldstein Trump and the decades long buddy, Jeffrey Epstein are manufactured creations by both.
RiNSe- I’m getting a blank screen??
Interesting it was an Alex Jones Video.. I put a direct link into thread.. It works on my desk but not yours
infowars.com/watch/?video=5d55d5ec274d170012e83616#
Copy and paste that link and backspace adding the www the https and the backslash..
Should be good to go..
A bit of a headscratcher…
another video
https://www.brighteon.com/5821728717001
https://www.brighteon.com/5815284656001
Let’s see the sleeping sentries. What’s next, dozing pilots?
Man, I am batting 1000! I’m on a roll.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-16/epstein-reportedly-spent-time-alone-attractive-young-woman-mcc-attorneys-room
Just to be pedantic, the hyoid bone is located in the same place in both men and women. The ligaments of the tongue are attached to it and humans are one of the few animals to have one. It’s what makes speech possible.
That’s not pedantic, that’s called a day late and a dollar short; HSF already held the seminar on hyoid bones.