Is Trump The Dude to Break the Woke?

Guest Post by Tom Luongo

“I like your style Dude … but do you have to use so many cuss words?”

“The fuck you talkin’ about?”

– The Big Lebowski

When Donald Trump won the 2016 election it was obvious to many, including myself, that he could be what Strauss & Howe called, ‘The Grey Champion’ in their seminal book “The Fourth Turning.”

The Grey Champion isn’t perfect. In fact, he’s a strongman. He can be a force for good or evil, depending on the times. At his essence, he is the right person in the right place at the right time to usher in a new era of human society for the next cycle of generations, usually four lasting around 85 years, or one human lifetime.

Past Grey Champions in the U.S have been FDR and Abraham Lincoln. Neither of these men would be people I would consider having been good for the country or, frankly, the world.

But they were ideally placed to shepherd and, most importantly, put into effect the changes demanded by the people as the Prophet Generation (Baby Boomers) gives way to the Nomads (Gen X) who hold the fort until the Heroes (Millenials) decide what comes next, for good or ill.

They were strong enough figures to overcome the enormous forces arrayed against them and, in the end, win out, forcing a new regime into being.

So, looking back over the near three years of Trump has he lived up to this ideal? I don’t think so for a number of reasons but I do think the potential is still there.

Trump’s strengths and weaknesses as a political player have been on full display from the beginning. And he’s made a number of errors which have cost him dearly to this point.

Most of these have to do with foreign policy, which I have outlined in gory detail nearly every day for three years. And it was these deals he’s made on foreign policy, outsourcing it to advisers like H.R. McMaster, John Bolton and James Mattis, to gain time to deal with his domestic enemies that have done the most damage.

I think Trump now sees the traps set for him and how badly they will boomerang on him this election season. He’s begun changing course on issues like Iran, Syria and, yes, Ukraine.

And for this he is now being targeted, quite amateurishly, for removal from office. Of this I’m convinced at this point.

Since Ukraine cuts across so many different narratives of the past few years, going all the way back to 2013 EU accession talks, it is no wonder that President Trump calls to the new Ukrainian President, who isn’t one of ‘our guys’ like Poroshenko was, would be heavily scrutinized.

Anything that sniffed even vaguely like Presidential overreach would be used against Trump to remove him from office. This is the standard Alinsky tactic of accusing your opponent of what you are guilty of to de-legitimize any information that comes out of the investigation.

This tactic is nothing new. It’s all they ever do folks, because Trump has already proven he’s immune to Nuts and Sluts.

And this brings me back to my original point, which is that only Donald Trump has the skills, temperament and lack of shame needed to fight this fight the way he has.

Comedian Stephen Crowder made this point recently and I think that rant is worth your fifteen minutes.

It’s nice to see Crowder finally come around and realize what Trump’s true value is to the world. It isn’t his wisdom or his inherent morality. He’s not been sent here by god to save us from the heathen.

He’s not Orange Jesus, as I pointed out ages ago.

He’s just the guy with the right set of skills for his time and place. To combat the incessantly woke and the cravenly corrupt you need a guy narcissist without shame. One who will scrap on the battlefields he knows well, the media, and when given an ounce of leverage will push it to its hilt.

And you need a man ruthless enough to be vindictive.

Trump tried to be magnanimous to Hillary. She repaid him with bile, deceit and three years of hell. His dipping his toe into Ukraine sent all of Washington into veritable apoplexy. Everyone’s got dirty fingers there be it from the coup on the Maidan, to arms sales, gas deals, false flags and, the big one from Trump’s perspective, RussiaGate.

Pat Buchanan, at the start of Trump’s presidency, warned us that Trump was not Nixon. Nixon resigned out of shame and for the good of the office and the country. Trump would not go so gently into that good night.

He was built of different stuff. Right or wrong they would have to drag him out of the Oval Office feet first. And that’s where we are now.

And that trait alone is what makes him still a potential Grey Champion. Because he can beat this impeachment trap that Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff have set for him if he’s smart and if he has the goods to take down the right people.

But at some point Trump will have to stop trying to make a deal with these people and act. He will have to stop trying to get them to like him and use his office as it is written in the Constitution and not let weasels like Schiff and Jerry Nadler define it for him.

If he does that he’ll be The Dude, the man for his time and place. If not, he’ll just be another pretender in a nice suit and his head in a toilet.

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yahsure
yahsure
October 5, 2019 5:53 pm

Trump has done almost everything he campaigned on. Old John , I hate Trump McCain held up healthcare reform. if Trump could just shut up a little and stay away from twitter. I think he is better than Reagan and I liked Reagan. All the crap layed on him since he was elected is all BS.

John Galt
John Galt
  yahsure
October 5, 2019 8:31 pm

Twitter is his only means to talk directly to the people. Otherwise the media will cherry pick words or even make up entire sentences….he has no other choice. Understand that.

KaD
KaD
  John Galt
October 5, 2019 9:06 pm

He could shitcan Twitter and get on GAB.

mark
mark
  KaD
October 6, 2019 5:05 pm

Not a bad idea…that would swithch the focus…do both?

Shinmen Takezo
Shinmen Takezo
  John Galt
October 6, 2019 3:54 pm

What do you want Trump to do… act like a Mormon fag like Mitt Romney?!
You want him to act nicey-nicey and parse his very word to focus groups.

Fuk that shite.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  John Galt
October 6, 2019 10:20 pm

50 to -2 just goes to show how fucking stupid people are.

Twitter is the only means to talk directly to the people for teenagers are Millennials.

Trump is a Likud-nik sleeper agent who never wanted this job.

Twitter’s staff features BRITISH INTELLIGENCE HACKS and Silicon Valley Communist party hopefuls.

Defending Twitter and lame- duck, Netanyahu-rumpswap, Trump all in one comment?

F that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  yahsure
October 6, 2019 6:47 am

Built a wall? Mexico paid for it? Locked her up? Fixed health care? Prescription drug prices? Got out of NATO? Drained the swamp? Ended meddling in the middle east? Preserved gun rights? Ended the deficit? Paid down the debt? Stop h1b visas? End DACA? End birthright citizenship? Send back all illegals?

Come back to reality dude, trump has done none of his campaign promises.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 10:02 am

Show him how it’s done then.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 11:46 am

You’re right, we be no worse off if Hillary had won. Maybe even better off, RIGHT?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 4:07 pm

Relative to the usual sack of crap pol, Trump has delivered more on his campaign promises than any POTUS in history……he also holds the record for the number of lawsuits filed by deep state leftist swamp rats! Just imagine if the Hildabeast was POTUS….we would be knee-deep in blood and death by now.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 10:22 pm

Trump-nik trolls are out tonight.

When Netanyahu is gone, Trump is fucking gone the next day.

EC the vulgar
EC the vulgar
October 5, 2019 5:58 pm

This is the kind of opinion piece I would write with different conclusions and a different approach but with the same broad paintbrush for which Big Red would kill me with some kind of character analysis and examination of my family tree.

Trump is that chimerical figure which some view as a tree trunk and some as a snake but nobody ever getting it right in one take. He may be Big Red’s hero grabbing her where it counts but he doesn’t grab me at all. I wouldn’t say he’s all show and no donkey but so far he is all pump and no money shot. It’s getting boring.

Admin, sorry I killed the Capital Punishment article and most likely I killed this one also.

M G
M G
  EC the vulgar
October 5, 2019 7:02 pm

So now I gotta go see what mess you left on Cap Pun?

Did you know a fat guy named Billy out of Gainesville? 😉

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  EC the vulgar
October 5, 2019 7:56 pm

It’s Mygirl to you, pipsqueak. Only those who have earned the right are capable of calling me Big Red. As to getting grabbed, perhaps you don’t like him cause he didn’t grab you? How were you with Obama?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  EC the vulgar
October 7, 2019 8:40 am

EC,
Please stop calling me Big Red.While in my single days there were women who called me Big Red for obvious reasons,no man has ever had occasion to call me by that name.
Cut it out.

Pequiste
Pequiste
October 5, 2019 5:59 pm

Depending where The Man From Queens thinks the end game is, and this thing is only just getting started, but I am firmly convinced that should the Trotskyites even come close to impeaching The Donald he would have no qualms on making some very sensitive State secrets into a televised game show and let the chips fall where they may.

Fuck them all.

(The President is one heck of a world class gambler and would let the history write itself.)

EC the vulgar
EC the vulgar
  Pequiste
October 5, 2019 6:07 pm

Peqqer, in any battle, the one who cares is already hobbled. This is why women usually prevail in a divorce, they don’t give a shit and only care about themselves and their feelings. When the Congress people came out saying they cared about the constitution and the country, they fucked up. They gave the Donald their coordinates. The Donald doesn’t have to defend the country along with himself, he is free to fight like Rambo, quick and dirty.

M G
M G
  EC the vulgar
October 5, 2019 7:03 pm

There you go again with the women and divorce stereotyping.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  M G
October 5, 2019 7:58 pm

He does seem to be on some kind of unhappy with women kick. What’s up with that?

razzle
razzle
  M G
October 5, 2019 10:17 pm

Stereotypes save time.

And men from marriage rape.

M G
M G
  razzle
October 6, 2019 4:01 pm

Well, where have YOU been razzle? (other than steering clear…)

razzle
razzle
  M G
October 6, 2019 8:03 pm

Most of the time I’m just drive-by commenting as one of the random Anonymous, or occasionally as Not Gay Veteran.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  M G
October 6, 2019 10:27 pm

The anti-male bias and issues EC speaks of is institutionalized globally.

https://www.bestgore.com/guest-post/societal-misandry-in-the-anti-male-world/

wdg
wdg
  EC the vulgar
October 6, 2019 11:46 am

This is why people like Ron Paul are eaten alive by the neo-Bolsheviks/NeoCons/globalists. Folks…this is total war with little space on the battle field for lofty ideals and well spoken gentlemen. We need street sluggers who do not take prisoners because we are fighting for our very lives, our right to exist as a people and a nation, against the forces of unspeakable evil aligned against us. To lose is not an option as shown by the extermination of over 60 million Russians under Bolshevism.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.”
– Marcus Tullius Cicero

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  wdg
October 6, 2019 3:26 pm

And Cicero would certainly know a thing or two about treason, since he practiced it once or twice.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  wdg
October 6, 2019 10:29 pm

Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Tom Luongo (this article) and so many other SOFTBALL CORNBALL COLUMNISTS.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Pequiste
October 6, 2019 10:25 pm

Trump is Netanyahu’s little Chihuahua yappy blackmailed hired help.

Sorry for insulting Chihuahuas.

johnyaya
johnyaya
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 8, 2019 4:48 pm

How is Shareblue paying these days? Do you have to suck David Brock’s dick to work there? How does the pay compare to working for China’s 50 Cent Army?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
October 5, 2019 6:02 pm

Trump is definitely in the position of spoiler now.
The question is how long will he be able to maintain it?
One more or five more years?

Bob The Retard
Bob The Retard
October 5, 2019 6:34 pm

So Trump’s not the whole package? Who is? When I look at where we are today and where we might have been given the alternative, I’m grateful as hell.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
  Bob The Retard
October 5, 2019 9:02 pm

The Retard nails it! I share your gratitude, I must be a Retard too.

Bob The Retard
Bob The Retard
  Ottomatik
October 5, 2019 9:19 pm

Great ‘Tards think alike.

The Mung Beans Tasted Funny
The Mung Beans Tasted Funny
October 5, 2019 6:46 pm

If you have read and understood where Trump came from, it will not have been a surprise to see how he behaves. He was NEVER going to become “presidential timber,”…and that it what this piece points out and what PRECISELY may be his saving grace both personally and for the country.

Donald Trump with the same ideals but sporting the smarmy, oleaginous veneer of most recent American politicians would already be finished. He would never be able to stay in the arena beginning each rebuttal with, “My dear friend and colleague from the House, Speaker Pelosi…”. Just to keep his head above the sewage, he needs every every taunt and wisecrack he can come up with, to play to his base and to keep his opposition at full boil…which also plays well to his base.

I have alternated between thinking I did the right thing in voting for him and being disgusted that I swallowed his snake oil. Right now, with Bolton gone, immigration being enforced, and most importantly with the Democrats exhibiting cosmic level of hypocrisy, I find myself more and more in his corner.

Can a New York billionaire paint himself as an underdog Joe Six-Pack and win the hearts of America? If anyone can, Orange Jesus can do it. I hope he pulls it off.

M G
M G
  The Mung Beans Tasted Funny
October 5, 2019 7:09 pm

I hope he.can do it too but more importantly…

What’s up with the mung beans?

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  M G
October 5, 2019 8:09 pm

i’m behind him if for no other reason than he pokes his detractors in the eye, drives them into a frenzy of frothing rage and…. so far as I can tell, he’s still a bulwark against the lunacy of the Marxists who have proliferated at an alarming rate.

Bob The Retard
Bob The Retard
  The Mung Beans Tasted Funny
October 5, 2019 9:22 pm

Mung beans will make you heave but trust me, the Famunda Cheese is worse.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
October 5, 2019 7:19 pm

Just more Q-ball lite wishy, hopey, changy.
Even if the wildest dreams of you trump lovers comes true. There still isn’t going to be anything left but extreme Post 90 Soviet block poverty. Romania comes to mind.

John Galt
John Galt
  Fleabaggs
October 5, 2019 8:35 pm

I agree flea, i also feel the dems will go scorched earth too

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  John Galt
October 5, 2019 8:57 pm

J G.
If they can’t have it they’ll burn it.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Fleabaggs
October 5, 2019 9:14 pm

Not if they are dead.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Fleabaggs
October 6, 2019 10:01 pm

Romania?
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22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 5, 2019 7:32 pm

SHUT THE FUCK UP CROWDER AND TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE HIDDEN MEDIA BEHIND TRUMP!

THE FUCKING MAINSTREAM DOESN’T MATTER AND YOU KNOW IT!
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The Jewish Mafia that owns Trump could make a guest appearance, explain in detail how they manufactured Trump, and illustrate how they manage his every move- and nothing would change.

22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 5, 2019 11:07 pm

I know I’m an ass, but I’m actually just quoting folks and commenters smarter than myself with my comment above. 😉

Make of it what you might.

I don’t like Tom’s articles obviously.

People’s true colors are showing.

Besides the Oath Keepers and Crowder, who is still onboard the Trump life raft?

Not me.

Civil War canceled or is that next month now?

Freddy Mercury's buttplug
Freddy Mercury's buttplug
  22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
October 6, 2019 6:19 am

“I know I’m an ass,”

Only fucking thing you’ve said that made any sense in the last year.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Freddy Mercury's buttplug
October 6, 2019 9:10 pm

freddy mercury’s buttplug?
maybe it’s time 4 admin to start approving screen names b4 they go live–

Not Gay Veteran
Not Gay Veteran
  TampaRed
October 6, 2019 9:37 pm

Fuck you with a rusty buttsaw.

GayVet
GayVet
  Not Gay Veteran
October 6, 2019 9:46 pm

You probably shouldn’t do that but if you do ,get a tetanus shot & use #80 tractor lube.

mark
mark
  22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
October 6, 2019 1:35 pm

Here is an intended ‘negative history’ of the Oath Keepers, written in the worst light possible that I find actually vindicates Oath Keepers of all the intended mischaracterization, slander, and slurs laid on them by the Left and strangely enough by you – read it .22 and learn why I agree with the first five words of your post.

You’re too lost in loony toon land to recognize allies and Americans who will stand and fight for the Constitution.

OATH KEEPERS EXPLAINED

Motto: “Not on our watch!”
Founder: Stewart Rhodes
Leader Name: Stewart Rhodes
Board Of Directors: Stewart Rhodes, Michele Imburgia, Rex H. McTyeire, Richard Mack, John D. Shirley, Steven C. Homan, Jim Ayala, Jay Stang

Oath Keepers is an anti-government American far-right organization associated with the patriot and militia movements. The group describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and former military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath that all military and police take in order to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. It encourages members – some of whom are current and former U.S. military and law enforcement officers – not to obey orders which they believe would violate the United States Constitution. The organization claims a membership of 35,000 as of 2016.

Several groups that monitor domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as extremist or radical. Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) describes the group as “heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government.” The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists the group’s founder as a known extremist and describes his announced plans to create localized militia units as “frightening”.

According to the SPLC, the group espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and the white supremacist posse comitatus movement. SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as a whole as “really just an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories”.

Oath Keepers had a controversial presence in Ferguson, Missouri during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in the city, when members armed with semi-automatic rifles patrolled streets and rooftops.

ORGANIZATIONAL HISTORY
Oath Keepers was founded in March 2009 by Elmer Stewart Rhodes. Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former U.S. Army paratrooper, and a former staffer for Republican Congressman Ron Paul. On December 8, 2015, Rhodes was disbarred by the Montana Supreme Court for conduct violating the Montana Rules of Professional Conduct after refusing to respond to two bar grievances filed against him in the federal district court in Arizona.

Rhodes is reported to have taken inspiration from the idea that Adolf Hitler could have been stopped if German soldiers and police had refused to follow orders. Writing in S.W.A.T. Magazine in 2008, Rhodes asserts, “‘It’ (a full-blown totalitarian police state) cannot happen here if the majority of police and soldiers obey their oaths to defend the Constitution and refuse to enforce the unconstitutional edicts of the ‘Leader’.”
Membership

The organization claims on its website that full membership is open to “currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, police, fire-fighters, other first responders (i.e. State Guard, Sheriff Posse/Auxiliary, Search & Rescue, EMT, other medical 1st responders, etc.) AND veterans/former members of those services,” and that others who support the organization’s mission can become associate members. The organization claims to have up to 30,000 members, though this figure has been questioned by some critics.

ACTIVITIES
Following the 2015 Chattanooga shootings at a strip mall military recruitment center and a Navy Operational Support Center in Tennessee, Oath Keepers and other militia groups began organizing armed gatherings outside of recruiting centers in several states, with the stated objective of providing protection to service members, who were barred from carrying weapons while on duty in civilian recruitment centers.

In response, the Army Command Operations Center Security Division issued a letter ordering soldiers not to interact with or acknowledge armed civilians outside of recruitment centers, and that “If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens, be polite, professional and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement,” noting that while the issuing officer is “sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior”.

FERGUSON
In late November 2014, during the unrest in Ferguson, the Oath Keepers put out a national request to its members to help in the city after the grand jury decision was released in the Shooting of Michael Brown case. In reference to the perceived failure of the government’s response to the unrest, the organization’s founder, Stewart Rhodes, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, “We thought they were going to do it right this time, but when Monday rolled around and they didn’t park the National Guard at these businesses, that’s when we said we have got to do something.” On December 2, 2014, volunteer security guards associated with the Oath Keepers kept armed watch on Ferguson rooftops, ignoring a police order to stop.

In August 2015, four members of the group appeared again on the streets of Ferguson, following peaceful street demonstrations on the anniversary of Brown’s shooting. According to an article in The Washington Post, “THE MEN ALL OF THE THEM WHITE AND HEAVILY ARMED —said they were in the area to protect someone who worked for the Web site InfoWars, which is affiliated with talk-radio conspiracy theorist and self-described ‘thought criminal against Big Brother’ Alex Jones.” The Oath Keepers claimed to be on the side of the protestors. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told the newspaper that the Oath Keepers’ “presence was both unnecessary and inflammatory.”

One Ferguson activist, Ryan Herring, described their presence as intimidating and frightening, and criticised the Oath Keepers for their suggestion that protestors should use their legal right to openly carry firearms by saying that this would have increased the tension with the police. Sam Andrews, a member of the Oath Keepers, contended that the protestors calmed down when the Oath Keepers arrived at the protest.

The group’s activities in Ferguson led to them being labeled “vigilantes” by some journalists.

KIM DAVIS
On September 10, 2015, the Oath Keepers announced that they would travel to Rowan County, Kentucky to prevent Kim Davis from being arrested and jailed should she be held in contempt a second time for violating a court order prohibiting her from interfering with marriage licensing in her office. The group aimed to block enforcement of contempt of court rulings against Davis, and said, “If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.” The Oath Keepers also criticized the judge in the case, David Bunning, saying: “this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to.”

Members were advised the following day that Davis’ legal team, acting on her behalf, had declined their offer to provide a “security detail” to Davis. The Oath Keepers issued a statement saying that while members were still welcome to visit Rowan County, it would be in an unofficial capacity only.

AFTERMATH OF PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING
In February 2018, soon after the Stoneman Douglas High School mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, Oath Keepers founder Rhodes publicly called upon “tens of thousands” of the group’s members to form militias to protect US schools and colleges. Rhodes posted on the Oath Keepers’ website in a “National Call to Action”: “Oath Keepers, in the wake of the horrific attack … it is time to step up nationwide and defend our schools against the threat of mass murder. Enough is enough”.

OTHER ACTIVITIES
In 2014, Oath Keepers were present at the Bundy Ranch standoff, when agents of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) seized cattle that a rancher was judged to be illegally grazing on federal land in Clark County, Nevada.

In 2015, armed Oath Keepers in the Pacific Northwest attended two disputes between gold miners and federal authorities. In April they gathered in Medford, Oregon at the request of the owners of the Sugar Pine Mine near Galice, after the owners were ordered to stop working the mine by the Bureau of Land Management. In August, they patrolled the White Hope Mine in the Helena National Forest, about 20 miles from Lincoln, Montana; the U.S. Forest Service said the miners had engaged in illegal construction and tree-felling.

Members of the Oath Keepers arrived at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon to offer to provide “perimeter security” for other militants who were illegally occupying the site. On January 15, 2016, Stewart Andrews, leader of the Oath Keepers, issued bellicose warnings on the group’s website of a prospective “conflagration so great, it cannot be stopped, leading to a bloody, brutal civil war” if the Bundy-led occupation of Reservation devolved into armed violence.

In August 2017 a permit was issued by the NPS for the August 26th use of Crissy Field to hold a rally by a group calling itself ‘PATRIOT PRAYER’ The group’s spokesman, Joey Gibson, has announced that the Oath Keepers would be providing event security confirmed to The San Francisco Examiner on August 18 by Stewart Rhodes.

In June 2019, after Oregon Governor Kate Brown sent the Oregon State Police to bring 11 absent Republican state senators back to the Oregon State Capitol. The Republican state senators had gone into hiding to prevent a vote on a cap-and-trade proposal aimed at lowering greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 in order to combat climate change. The Oath Keepers reacted on June 20, 2019, by stating: “Gov. Brown, you want a civil war, because this is how you get a civil war”. On June 22, 2019, a session of the Oregon Senate was cancelled when the Oregon State Capitol was closed due to a warning from the state police of a “possible militia threat”.

CONTROVERSY
Protesters have accused the group of racism, especially after groups of white members armed with rifles congregated in Ferguson during demonstrations related to police brutality and racial inequality. The group says its bylaws prevent potential members from joining if they have a history of bigotry or have been associated with any discriminatory organization.

St. Louis County police officer Dan Page was relieved of duty in 2014 after pushing and threatening with arrest CNN journalist Don Lemon on live television in Ferguson. Subsequently, an hour-long videotaped speech made by Page to an Oath Keepers meeting was found on YouTube. In the speech, Page boasted, “I’m also a killer. I’ve killed a lot, and if I need to I’ll kill a whole bunch more.” Page also denounced hate crime laws, disparaged Muslims, and espoused Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories (Page referred to Obama as “that illegal alien claiming to be president”). The YouTube video contained a disclaimer stating that Page’s opinions did not reflect those of the local chapter or national organization.

An article posted to the organization’s official website on April 14, 2016, opined that if HILLARY CLINTON WON THE 2016 U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THE RESULT PROBABLY WOULD BE OUTRIGHT CIVIL WAR IN THE U.S. Later in 2016, Stewart Rhodes called on members to visit polling places incognito to “hunt down” and document suspected voter fraud.

RECEPTION
Larry Keller wrote in the SOUTHERN POVERTY LAWS CENTERS’ 2009 report The Second Wave: Return of the Militias that the Oath Keepers “may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. “Keller described Richard Mack, an Oath Keeper, as a “longtime militia hero” and quoted him as having said, “The greatest threat we face today is not terrorists; it is our federal government. … One of the best and easiest solutions is to depend on local officials, especially the sheriff, to stand against federal intervention and federal criminality.” Mack, a former sheriff, responded by denying the claims, saying, “I have had no contact with any militia group and have never been a member of any militia.”

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC, said in an interview that the group has no history of political violence, but that, “The core ideas of these groups relate to the fear that elites in this country and around the world are slowly and steadily and nefariously moving us towards a one-world government, the so-called New World Order.”

In 2009 the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) wrote in a report that, “The ‘orders’ the Oath Keepers refuse [to obey] reveal their extreme conspiratorial mindset, because the ‘orders’ are not instructions ever likely to be actually handed down by Obama or his officials; instead, they are reflective of the anti-government conspiracy theories embraced by the extreme right.”

Quoting the Las Vegas Review-Journal, MSNBC political commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan said, “Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.” Buchanan himself concluded that “America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.”

Fox News Radio host Lou Dobbs spoke with founder Stewart Rhodes on his radio show in 2009 and criticized the SPLC for “perpetuating the same kind of intolerance it claims to condemn.” On Hardball with Chris Matthews, Matthews questioned Rhodes about his “vigilante group” and on his “strange view of the world.”

https://everything.explained.today/Oath_Keepers/

mark
mark
  mark
October 6, 2019 4:31 pm

Thanks for those two up votes above and below .22…I’m glad you have seen the light.

Hang in there, we’re taking up a TBP collection up for a Mathis exorcism, the Priest (he is also a vet and Oath Keeper who performs exorcisms on Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Democrats) will contact you soon.

mark
mark
  22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
October 6, 2019 2:15 pm

OATH KEEPERS STEPPING UP TO PROTECT PATRIOTS FROM ANTIFA THUGS WITH NEW “SPARTAN” TRAINING PROGRAM

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-08-21-oath-keepers-protect-patriots-from-antifa-thugs-spartan-training.html

One of the nation’s premier ‘America first’ organizations, Oath Keepers, is developing a new program to train other patriots on how to handle and protect themselves when they are faced with angry mobs of Left-wing Antifa thugs.

Founder Stewart Rhodes, in an interview with Infowars’ “War Room” program, explained that his organization’s Spartan Training Group program is largely based on experiences Oath Keepers members have had facing down Antifa and other far-Left anarchist groups when they attempt to disrupt patriotic free speech events around the country.

“We have people across the country who’ve been experienced since” the Ferguson riots and protests, the St. Louis-area suburb where Black Lives Matter formed following the justified shooting death of a black suspect by a white police officer.

“We were in Berkeley twice against Antifa there, we were in Boston, so around the country – and Portland – [so] we’ve already had pretty rich experience in going up against Antifa,” Stewart said, adding that members have also helped out with hurricane relief efforts in places like Houston and Puerto Rico.

“So we’re combining all of that field experience to make sure that we…provide the training and lessons learned from our experiences to all the other groups out there,” he continued.

Stewart praised other organizations like Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys, whom he said were also “doing excellent work already.”

“We just want to make sure we raise the bar of professionalism and skill” as the anarchist movement gains strength and support among a wider faction of Americans, he said, adding that he and other Oath Keepers officials believe that at some point increasingly violent Antifa and anarchists will “go kinetic” – that is, begin planting bombs and using firearms to disrupt events and sow chaos. (Related: As Antifa vows ‘bullets’ for opponents, media yawns and blames ‘the RIGHT’ for all the violence.

niebo
niebo
  mark
October 7, 2019 12:12 am

Thanks for the info, Mark. Funny how disparaging comments (and a few outright lies) from the splc hacks is high praise, indeed.

BL
BL
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 6, 2019 1:20 am

22- One of those peeps went to Wharton with Trump in the special billionaire manufacturing unit run by the MIC. Be advised that relatives are in the wire.

swimologist
swimologist
October 5, 2019 7:36 pm

It’s mightily revealing that the Obama administration used $4 billion (Yes, BILLION with a B) taxpayer dollars to underwrite a political coup in the Ukraine, overseen by Asst. Sec of State Victoria (((Nuland))).
Just more proof of the machinations of the “New World Order,” as if any is needed.
And NOBODY talks about it, the media didn’t investigate it. Thanks for bringing it up here, at least.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  swimologist
October 5, 2019 9:17 pm

Ukraine largest contributor to Clinton Foundation…..no wonder DC is flipping out with Trump probing the new leadership (non-Clinton) in Ukraine!

https://www.rt.com/usa/243017-ukraine-clinton-foreign-donors/

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Martel's Hammer
October 5, 2019 9:56 pm

Ah, there’s more. Seems Nancy’s little boy Paul was also balls deep in the Ukraine, heck, his Mom did a promo video for him and his company using her position to promote and make him money. Romney’s chief advisor, one Cofer Black, former CIA & Blackrock was also involved with Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma, wonder if he made 50k per month too?

It’s looking increasingly probable that Burisma, the subject of a series of corruption allegations in the past, has been smartly buying Western complacency by slapping a few famous names on its board. In addition to the son of a vice president and a special adviser to a GOP presidential candidate, the board also boasts the former president of Poland from 1995 to 2005, Aleksander Kwaśniewski.

Nancy is also attempting to do an end around on the Impeachment debacle, an end-around very similar to what she pulled with the ‘we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it’ sham. What she wants to do is push for impeachment without holding a vote…

Pelosi’s plan is to not have a House vote on initiating the inquiry, but to just go ahead and have one, and stealing the name Impeachment Inquiry for it. Why? Because she thinks that way she can have only Democrats ask questions, issue subpoenas etc., while House Republicans could only sit and watch the spectacle (not what they were elected for)

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/top-romney-adviser-worked-with-hunter-biden-on-board-of-ukrainian-energy-company/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/inquirygate-did-pelosi-just-prorogue-us-house

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl...maybe
October 5, 2019 11:18 pm

Nice. WTF Ukraine is a real shithole dead ass broke though the women are stunning. Why are all the DC kleptocrats so focused on the Ukraine? Must be all the small hats in Odessa!!

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 4:15 am

No doubt I’ve been in Kiev airport

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Mygirl...maybe
October 6, 2019 4:15 am

Not surprising as Romney is just another Zio swine

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Martel's Hammer
October 5, 2019 11:16 pm

I’m no fan of either party in the rape of Ukraine.

There is no doubt in hindsight that untold millions and billions of dollars of blood-chocolate out of Africa funded Poroshenko the choco-oligarch who shelled women and children to death relentlessly for years.

No comment on the new guy without foreskin put in charge.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 6, 2019 4:16 am

Porky you mean? The puppet in charge

overthecliff
overthecliff
  swimologist
October 6, 2019 9:58 am

Good way to launder money to the Bidens.

Steve
Steve
October 5, 2019 8:25 pm

There is a unique culture in govt. It takes years to understand and more to learn how to fight back. Trump has learned a lot of things over the past 3-ish years. He will be a much better player going forward.

John Galt
John Galt
October 5, 2019 8:28 pm

“But at some point Trump will have to stop trying to make a deal with these people and act”.

I feel there will be a significant lifting of the iron curtain when he declassifies all Obama, Hillary, fbi, cia, and congress files for the people to see what they were really all up to. He will control the narrative. I feel he has been holding back, in Nixon like fashion, because he did not want the people to riot and see their entire govt was corrupt. He wanted us to have faith and move past this but they will push him to this nuclear option I feel. In Kennedy fashion, unless they get to him first, he will unleash explosive information. Sometime next summer since we sheeple have such damned short memories, just in time for the election.

swimologist
swimologist
  John Galt
October 5, 2019 8:39 pm

From your lips to God’s ears. But I’m not holding my breath.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  John Galt
October 5, 2019 11:21 pm

Good grief, you’re not proposing a teleprompter reader thinks that deeply?

The man doesn’t open his mouth without a committee of Likud-nik assholes sending him the latest talking points on the wireless.

Now on another subject. They never “got to” any of the Kennedys. Not in 1943, not in 1963, 1968, or ’99. Each one found to be faked upon any serious examination of the facts. The Kennedys have always ruled America in secret on behalf of the old European families. How else do you explain the VERY BRITISH, VERY SCRIPTED nature of everything 1945 to present, especially 1999 to present?
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I looked up JFK Jr.’s coroner. He was later accused of wrongdoing in a murder case and appeared to have issues like public officials are apt to have. The crime lab (was de-certified and bulldozed), the supposed crematorium (in Duxbury, really?), and timeline with instant-burial at sea; roughly 24-36 hours from discovery on the seabed to a Navy ship to the coroner to the crematorium and right back to burial at sea on a Navy destroyer? All in 36 hours or so? YEAH SURE, RIGHT.

Evidence is a fucking joke and everything official coming out of Massachusetts is criminally insane. A Warren Presidency would not surprise me one bit.

Rogue chemist my ass. Crime labs, evidence rooms, and coroners are for sale to anyone with the money or influence in Massachusetts, trust me.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891

Thanks to the Boston Feds and Massachusetts criminal connections, Mueller and the FBI-DOJ got away with MURDER FOR YEARS UNDER BUSH and the shit never went away.

http://libertyandjusticeunited.org/AdditionalDocuments/EverythingSecretReport-FBI-Part-1.pdf
http://libertyandjusticeunited.org/AdditionalDocuments/EverythingSecretReport-FBI-Part-2.pdf

Lebowski
Lebowski
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 6, 2019 4:17 am

The good Dr Baden no doubt

TampaRed
TampaRed
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 6, 2019 9:02 pm

” The Kennedys have always ruled America in secret on behalf of the old European families. How else do you explain the VERY BRITISH, VERY SCRIPTED nature of everything 1945 to present, especially 1999 to present?”

winnie,
were the kennedys really irish catholic?

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  TampaRed
October 7, 2019 3:27 pm

I have my doubts about that actually.

If Pretend Presidents kiss Kennedy rings in secret, perhaps Kennedys kiss Royal rings in secret.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 7, 2019 4:18 pm

you da man winnie–

Anymouse
Anymouse
  John Galt
October 7, 2019 10:49 am

I think they tried to have a meeting to explain who has the power, and what threads not to touch (Ukraine), and he missed that meeting, ignored the advice, has gone his own way.

Now we the people will experience another magic bullet theory, only this time it will be a magic missile, from some ME country we were planning on invading anyway.

They will take down Airforce One, as the final nail in the coffin of America.
Deep state Communist bastards, every last one.

Remember how awe struck everyone was on 9/12?
Get ready, cause they are gonna do it again.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
October 5, 2019 9:17 pm

Unless dispatched, clearly this 4ths Gray Champion.
No one can replace him, like all before him he has become bigger than himself,to both sides.
The die is set.
Now for the crisis.
“The issue that has swept down through the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the Banks” Lord Acton

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
October 5, 2019 9:23 pm

When I listened to the candidate, Donald Trump, I heard him say things that I have been thinking and saying to some of my friends. I saw him as a person who would go to the District of Corruption and shake things up. He has certainly delivered on that aspect, but is being stymied at every turn, usually by some left wing black robed lawyer.

We are pretty sure, he has the goods on a lot of the power brokers in DC, but has yet to pull the trigger on taking them down. Is he waiting for the right time, so it will catapult him into re-election or is he being stymied by the Dept. of Just Us? Only time will tell. If we see 0400 FIB storm trooper raids, along with some very high profile perp walks, before the Hawkeye Caucai, he will be OK. If they do not happen, the fix is in and he will be tossed out in 13 months.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  TN Patriot
October 5, 2019 11:30 pm

March 2016

When Nutty, goes Trump goes in case you didn’t get the memo.

“Lifelong Supporter and True Friend of Israhell”

Don’t miss the end either: from 22:20 on!

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 5, 2019 10:56 pm

Pray that Trump isn’t Hoover. Pray that Biden, lieawatha, Bernie or Hillary are not FDR.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Anonymous
October 5, 2019 11:30 pm

I saw what you said there!

mark
mark
October 5, 2019 11:42 pm

If you haven’t already spend a few days on the:

INSTITUTE FOR GLOBALIZATION AND STUDY OF COVERT POLITICS

https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-us-uk

Its a wild ride!

M G
M G
  mark
October 6, 2019 12:59 pm

I’ve just taken my first long look. I immediately thought of something a political science professor type said to me regarding True Power in Politics. He said he believed all decisions in the country and possibly World were made by about a thousand people.

I asked who he meant in addition to the “535”… and he said “oh, almost NONE of those.”

Have you ever been somewhere and had one of them whisked by you surrounded by protective security people?

Lebowski
Lebowski
October 6, 2019 3:31 am

Hey , that’s a beverage Man

Lebowski
Lebowski
October 6, 2019 5:06 am

Finally I got the recognition that I deserve

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 6, 2019 6:54 am

Picking a reality TV star to be president demonstrates the brilliance of the deep state. Despite 3 years of deep dicking, almost half the population still believes he’s their guy. Now he’s saying black people built America, and yet the faithful hang on. Sad.

22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 10:33 pm

The Pro-Likud Netanyahu-Trump trolls are out in fucking force tonight.

Not exactly Deep State.

Just major league creeps.
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Older Guy
Older Guy
October 6, 2019 10:28 am

another whiny article about trump’s “shortcomings”, question for luongo, if you could magically appoint any living American as president tomorrow morning (who would presumably do a superior job), who would that be? I’ll wait.

Epaminondas
Epaminondas
October 6, 2019 10:34 am

Trump has accomplished one thing that desperately needed doing: he exposed the perfidy within the media, government, and Establishment. That is by itself EPIC. Things will never again be the same after Trump leaves office, no matter what happens from here on out. The road ahead is going to be rough.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Epaminondas
October 6, 2019 12:01 pm

You underestimate the stupidity of the American public

John Galt
John Galt
  Anonymous
October 6, 2019 3:23 pm

Anon, I agree people really are truly stupid. I give it a few narratives and 12 months after trump is out and everyone watches and believes cnn again. We are truly doomed.

EC the vulgar
EC the vulgar
  John Galt
October 6, 2019 3:34 pm

Stop saying “we are truly doomed” that was fresh back when TBP was new. We are not doomed, the doom has passed, we are now fucked. However, it is time to start picking up the pieces. Did Nagasaki sit there crying, we are doomed? Hell no!

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Epaminondas
October 6, 2019 10:00 pm

It’s called a limited hangout ->

Exposing shit everybody knew already and making it seem cool.

Ken31
Ken31
October 6, 2019 3:05 pm

This clueless boomer again? He is the consummate NPC.

22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
22winmag - 25th Amendment Cometh
  Ken31
October 6, 2019 10:40 pm

Spot on again!

Luongo is on my list of cheese-whiz columnists.

RiNS
RiNS
October 6, 2019 8:14 pm

Declass now!

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  RiNS
October 6, 2019 10:10 pm

Agree. This nonsense about “waiting for the right time” is just playing the same game that politicians do. Kick them in the nuts, then cut off their legs, then arms. Never stop, keep the pressure on so they have no singular issue to retort to.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  RiNS
October 6, 2019 10:45 pm

Yes!

Declass JFK Jr. faking his death and dipping out before 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lehman, the Euro crisis, and everything that has come since. So much bullshit surrounding the 24-36 hours from supposed discovery to exam to cremation and back to burial via Navy destroyer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486083/Kennedys-fought-bodies-buried-JFK-Jr-plane-crash-bullied-heartbroken-mother-wife-Carolyn.html

You know who issues the orders in secret in America.
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22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 6, 2019 10:07 pm

The Marines are pretending to mobilize, but that was supposed to be for arresting Hillary

a couple years back

so I call

–BULLSHIT–

British-spy-riddled Twitter has Trump’s Civil War tripe on life support and that psyop needs to get “canceled” before it gets taken seriously!

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
October 7, 2019 6:32 am

Lincoln not good for the country…that’s a statement for the ages .

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
October 7, 2019 10:29 am

This article tries to infer that it takes an inordinate amount of time to utter the words –
“All troops out of the Middle East”
“Shut down Gitmo”
“Audit the Fed”
“Investigate the Clintons, and do it for real this time or it’s YOUR ass.”


I could order all those things within 1 minute of taking the oath of office.