Dinner in Hanoi

Guest Post by Jeff Thomas via International Man

Rise of China

“Trump is doing the right thing. Without him, we have no protection against China. China doesn’t only wish to dominate Asia, but the world.”

Here in Hanoi, so said my dinner companion – a major manufacturer and worldwide exporter of steel products.

He, like so many other major Asian producers, sees an opportunity in international trade for all of Asia to capitalize on.

In the Western world, the argument rages as to whether the US tariff war will benefit the US or not.

Of course, those of us who have a libertarian perspective regard all meddling in a free market as counter-productive. Historically, when tariffs are employed, each of the parties involved ultimately becomes a loser. The aggressor suffers as much as the aggressee, as, first, the people of that country must pay more for goods imported, and second, a trade war results in diminished trade overall, hurting both economies.

But there are benefits to be had. The benefits fall to those countries that stayed out of the fray.

Here in Asia, it’s understandable that businesspeople look upon the US/China trade war from a different perspective from Westerners. Their only interest is whether the war provides them with an opportunity. And it does.

China has, for millennia, regarded itself as the Middle Kingdom, the entity that lies between heaven and earth. Chinese leaders (and especially Xi Jinping) see China’s economic dominance over Asia as the natural order of things, and Mister Xi is determined to have China regain that position in his lifetime.

China is, of course, powerful enough to accomplish that, and there can be no doubt that, in recent decades, China has been on a roll, becoming the largest trading nation in the world.

This has been made possible, to a great extent, through China’s ability to produce goods and ship them to the West more cheaply than Western countries can produce them at home. And of course, the purpose of US tariffs is to make it more expensive for China to deliver at such low prices.

So, has China “cheated the system,” as Mister Trump has repeatedly stated? Well, no. In actual fact, the problem is not that China produces goods cheaply. It is that the US, driven by unions over many decades, has simply priced itself out of the market through exorbitant wage increases. For decades, any American producer that hoped to survive has built plants in other nations – most notably in Canada and Mexico, but increasingly, in Asia, as well.

Indeed, this has been the only way that those American producers have been able to compete with the world at large.

Those countries that have the most cost-effective production will always dominate world trade.

So, for the US to ignore its overpriced labour and instead focus on punishing those countries that are more efficient, will fail to solve the US production problem.

China has in recent decades taken the lead. But now, with US tariffs, other Asian countries are seeing an opening. Japan is in an economic death spiral, but other Asian countries, like Vietnam, South Korea and India, are seeing the opportunity to deliver goods to the West more cheaply even than China.

China is hoping to save its bacon by partnering with businesspeople in these countries – to create Chinese factories in them. But as my associate in Hanoi points out, for those existing manufacturers like him who are already dealing annually in the eight- or nine-figure category, there’s an opportunity to reject the Chinese offers and create the factories and goods themselves, to provide exports to the US more cheaply than China can.

And once they’ve gotten in the door, they’ll be difficult for China to dislodge, even if the US/China trade war comes to an end.

Understandable then, if businesspeople in Asia look upon President Trump as a hero, whom they feel is doing the right thing with the trade war. They support the Trump presidency, not because they see him as doing what is economically sound for his own country, but because they believe Mister Trump is providing Asian nations with an unusual window of opportunity.

So, how long do they feel they have?

Well, the consensus amongst many Asian businesspeople is that China cannot survive more than six more months under the present tariffs. The enormous risk that China has taken with its costly expansion programme will be too great and China will experience a crash.

Still, it’s not perceived to be equal in severity to the crash that the US is fated to soon experience.

Due to China’s many strengths, a crash would set China back, but within five years, it would recover, having been cleared of much of its debt and poised to move forward decisively into the future.

But in the meantime, the other manufacturing countries of Southeast Asia will have had time to build up their export markets without the burden of the tariffs that are being placed on China.

So, what, ultimately, does this mean to the West? If we indeed see a crash in China in the coming year, will this mean that the tariffs have been effective and the threat of Asian dominance has fizzled?

Well, no, not at all. What it will mean would be that Asia as a whole had gained the opportunity to diversify between the various productive Asian nations and, following a shakeup of a few years, would come back with a greater ability to dominate production for the world. China would still be the big boy in the neighbourhood, but its little brothers would have strengthened and would, in future, share significantly in the market share.

In the meantime, the West would have treated only the symptoms of its illness, not the illness itself.

Whatever hit China takes over tariffs in the coming years, the transfer of production will still move east and the twenty-first century will become the Asian century.

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10 Comments
Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
October 28, 2019 5:45 pm

This article missed the single largest reason for why the US isn’t competitive – the Fed Gov.

The monopoly that the Fed Gov represents means that states really don’t compete with one another. The Fed Gov taxes and spends and the cost of living rises year after year.

Unions are a form of extortion permissible under law to please a certain constituency. Those without a union pay for the above market pay and benefits the extortion racket provide the union member. Wars, foreign aid, the CIA, NSA, ridiculous space missions, etc all add up to raise the cost of living the average person needs to just survive. That labor rate is what’s making the US noncompetitive.

If the Fed Gov were to disappear over night (hope springs eternal) the Federal Reserve would disappear with it. The overseas bases would no longer have a sponsor. The bloated military would wither and hopefully die. The amount of money saved would be astronomical and would allow the states to function sans empire. It is the cost of empire that needs to be reduced to become competitive once more.

Donkey
Donkey
  Solutions Are Obvious
October 28, 2019 6:11 pm

Nice comment.

The author, at one point, advocated for lower labor wages. Wow.

“In actual fact, the problem is not that China produces goods cheaply. It is that the US, driven by unions over many decades, has simply priced itself out of the market through exorbitant wage increases.”

Now that unions drove up labor causing offshoring, we need to reduce the cost of labor here but keep the cost structure (“The rent is too damn high”) at the same level it reached causing more and more income/wealth inequality. Add to all of that, endless turd world immigration competing for nonexistent jobs leading to ever increasing political insanity. Got socialism?

What did I get wrong? Anything?

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  Donkey
October 28, 2019 6:26 pm

Focusing on unions and their contribution to a too high a cost of labor overstates unionism’s importance in the article.

Labor rates need to go down along with the cost of living by eliminating sources of waste that drive up all costs including labor. The endless regulations, compliance costs, mandatory spending to abide by onerous laws, fines, federal taxes, outrageous offensive military spending, foreign aid (bribes), useless weapons systems, etc all add up to cause the current level of labor rates that corporations factor into their cost of goods.

A supplier of a product or service must be competitive in order to survive. When the first US widget maker went overseas for lower costs of all kinds, his US competitors were forced to follow or go out of business. It’s as simple as that.

To bring corporations and jobs back to the US requires an across the board lowering of costs and that can only be accomplished by jettisoning the entirety of the Fed Gov. Fifty new countries would immediately start to compete with each other for residents and businesses and rational policies would out of necessity curtain the leftist loonies.

Donkey
Donkey
  Solutions Are Obvious
October 28, 2019 6:34 pm

I got your point. It is a good one. Unions did hurt America after a while. Those businesses should have never been backed up by fed.gov. Now unions all over public employment causing rising costs to the taxpayer.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  Donkey
October 28, 2019 6:46 pm

The public sector unionization and it’s collective bargaining outrageous retirement and pension benefits are going to get the ax once the economy takes a serious hit. Same goes for corporate pensions as they’re all underfunded and using current cash flow or cheap money loans or bonds to back the monthly pension checks.

There simply isn’t the needed funds to keep that scam going. City after city, state after state, corp after corp are going to defacto go into bankruptcy regardless of what their charters/laws say. When something can’t continue it stops.

If the Fed Gov /Federal Reserve simply monetizes pension obligations that short term fix will have the longer term consequences of fueling the inevitable hyper inflation that’s already baked into the cake. It may just move up the date when everyone suddenly realizes that SHTF time has arrived.

mark
mark
  Solutions Are Obvious
October 29, 2019 8:33 pm

“A supplier of a product or service must be competitive in order to survive. When the first US widget maker went overseas for lower costs of all kinds, his US competitors were forced to follow or go out of business. It’s as simple as that.”

Solutions Are Obvious/Donkey …good posts…but to go back to the beginning…the factories in China were built by tax free Rockefeller money…that fact is indisputable…knowing the labor at a fraction of the cost was waiting. It was all planned and funded by Globalists American traitors.

Yea, Unions got greedy, I saw that first hand – but the Coup everyone is talking about now started in 1913, and gained momentum when they murdered Kennedy and got away with it, unions were desperately needed when they got started, but then many evolved into a cog of the Mafia/Commies…Workers of the World unite!

I also agree with this reality whole heartedly:

“To bring corporations and jobs back to the US requires an across the board lowering of costs and that can only be accomplished by jettisoning the entirety of the Fed Gov.”

The only problem with the ‘jettisoning’ at this point…is it’s probably going to take another Revolution/ Civil War.

Then all bets are off on everything…as Tories and ‘Hallowed ground’ are/will be everywhere.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  mark
October 29, 2019 8:47 pm

Rockefeller …. Globalists American traitors ….

What difference does it make who built the factories? Everyone knew the labor was there as it’s the most populous country on earth.

What you describe as traitors are business people trying to survive a world wide competitive marketplace.

Your slant by using ‘traitor’ is telling. You’ve made up your mind that only USians should have jobs regardless of the costs involved. That makes no economic sense. If you’re given the choice between two items of equal quality or utility to you won’t you pick the least expensive one? That means the cost of labor matters. The business person that refuses to off shore will cause his US employees to lose their jobs when the whole corp folds. If he can off shore some components, maybe those US higher wage jobs survive.

My guess is you’ve never been an employer trying to make payroll. I have. I understand the dynamics involved and loyalty to a flag has nothing to do with the realities of the marketplace. The US consumer will cut a manufacturers throat for a nickle’s worth of difference in price. That’s real.

yahsure
yahsure
October 28, 2019 6:25 pm

Decent living wages versus slave wages. Scrooge McDuck loves Asia. I understood what the article is about. After watching so many factories close and go to Asia I have grown to think that China should raise the standard of living for its people by making them able to buy their own products. Here also. I don’t think a society that offshores all of its work is going to make it in the long run.

Donkey
Donkey
  yahsure
October 28, 2019 6:36 pm

Bingo. What’s good for America vs. what’s good for corporations and stockholders.

Gloriously Deplorable Paul
Gloriously Deplorable Paul
October 29, 2019 12:53 pm

Globalization has always been a losing proposition for the average American. It makes American workers compete with third world workers for jobs. There’s no way we win. The only benefactors are the business owners and third world workers.
The decline in our standard of living is what fuels the rise in theirs.
And as usual, the banksters and moneyed players sit above it all raking in the cash.