Defunding Police – Is This the Right Choice or the Next Step in Revolution?

Guest Post by Martin Armstrong

All of the protests making this a racist issue have distorted the real problem which remains immunity created by the Supreme Court. We must look at these protests in their historical context for calling them simply racist rather than abuse of power hides them from the view of these events forming part of a revolutionary cycle. We must step back and look at these events not in the context of simply race or those who have exploited this to simply loot stores. The central position is one of police brutality and the lack of any accountability.

There are more whites killed by police than blacks which further illustrates that this is not a racist problem but one of no accountability because of this qualified immunity which is not supported by the constitution. This should not be Black Lives Matter, but ALL Lives Matter. The riots have spread worldwide as in Paris over police abuse further illustrating that the core issue is the fact that governments are not accountable to the people.

Why has this one incident cascaded into a global contagion? Because of this COVID-19 virus abuse of locking people down which has resulted in people losing their jobs which has exceeded 300 million on a worldwide basis, this provides the incentive to protest regardless of the incident. Following the Panic of 1837, massive unemployment took place and this was the period when the Irish immigrants where fleeing to the United States. This resulted in actual gun battles on the streets in Philadelphia because the Irish were willing to work for less during a period of significant unemployment. It is simply human nature to rise up during economic declines.

During the Great Depression, it was the Bonus Army where veterans were demanding their promised bonuses. The Hoover government sent in the troops even with tanks in 1932 to force them to leave. We saw the same with the Coxley’s Army which was the march on Washington following the Panic of 1893 and massive unemployment. What the governments have done with these lockdowns have set the stage for these protests. It is only human nature to take that frustration out after losing your job and this issue of the police has simply exposed the corruption within the entire system which extended from journalists to politicians. We cannot attribute this exclusively to racism. This has been the first global contagion of a mass uprising because governments have suppressed the rights of the people, destroyed their jobs, and have abused their power in destroying the livelihood of so many people.

Many police forces have militarized and this creates the image mentally of an opposing force against the people. Suddenly, we now see the technology companies who have been so actively assisting governments to go after the public from illegal red-light cameras to creating systems for the police to use facial recognition software to target individuals. Camera and facial recognition software  track who is even walking down the street.

These high tech companies are suddenly realizing perhaps they have been on the wrong side of history and it would not take much for the mob to turn against the companies that have helped create this police state. IBM disavowed the facial recognition technology entirely and CEO Arvind Krishna condemned its use “by other vendors, for mass surveillance, racial profiling, violations of basic human rights and freedoms.” Amazon responded by putting only a one-year moratorium on police use of its Rekognition software, closely followed by Microsoft’s promise not to sell the technology to US police. These companies have had no problem exploiting the public for profit.

These are the same technology companies who jumped at the chance of creating tracking apps for this orchestrated coronavirus all to further erode our basic human rights. Then there is Bill Gates who wants to track every person on the planet and pushing his ID 2020 and digital vaccine markers claiming he is not destroying people’s privacy. Microsoft constantly updates windows downloading everything you look for so they can sell your computer use to companies for advertising.

This entire issue of rioting against the police is historically part of the Revolutionary Cycle. We have already reached Stage TWO which is a serious warning of what lies ahead.

The FIRST STAGE in a revolution is always the the rise of intellectual whistleblower disagreement which government simply ignores as a passing phase. This stage is the realization of corruption and and injustice of governmental rule. Perhaps the symbolization of this was the revelation of Edward Snowden that the government was violating the constitution and abusing its power against the people constructing a 100% surveillance state tapping into every phone call and email account of every citizen. Then there was the British whistleblower Katharine Gun who they charged but could not put on trial without exposing themselves. They labelled both as a traitors as if the government possessed inherent power of sovereignty and the people were the great unwashed economic slaves.

As Thomas Pain described they confuse themselves as the political embodiment of the nation rather than the people. This is the intellectual stage which governments refuse to admit mistakes and simply ignores the cries of injustice.

The SECOND STAGE is where the intellectual debates prove pointless and this is where the initial conflict begins. This corruption has run its course and governments transform justice into their own self-interest. This stage is usually accelerated by governments raising taxes in the midst of an economic decline. The economic hardships may vary per individual but as a whole they will tend to focus upon the prosecutorial arm of government which includes the police who will far too often claim they are moral under the pretense of simply following orders.

This is when history will typically produce some leader who can be a moderate that sees the problem and will often try to reason in order to reach a resolution which is ignored by the government. This further intensifies the feelings of injustice especially in light of the economic decline. The leadership can also be seized by extremists who demand complete change such a Lenin. This initial stage results in the first demands change with protests rising. The mobs rarely are able to even articulate the reform because they then make demands that they want certain actions which go far beyond what they actually need. This is where mobs will often turn to revenge rather than justice. Governments will typically refuse to reform and become often very defensive.

Otis-James

In February 1761, James Otis, Jr. (1725–1783) argued brilliantly against the Writs of Assistance that was authorized in 1660 by the King but became an instrument of tyranny in 1758 in the American colonies as a means to raise taxes. Writs of Assistance allowed the government to arbitrarily search whatever they suspected for any reason. For nearly five hours, Otis made a brilliant oration in court against the Writs, but he lost the case, for what judge would ever rule against his master? John Adams later wrote that the child independence was then and there born, [for] every man of an immense crowded audience appeared to me to go away as I did, ready to take arms against writs of assistance.”  As Thrasymachus warned about 2600 years ago, justice is only the interest of the state regardless of its form being democratical, aristocratical, or tyrannical.

Shakespeare’s famous line “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” (Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2) reflects the injustice for the people could not hire a lawyer only the king making them prosecutors. This stage is typically sparked by an economic decline which further breaks the employment and suppresses even harder the poor. During the American Revolution the slogan was “No Taxation without Representation” and the French Revolution used the words of Marie Antoinette: “Let them eat cake.” The French Revolution began on Saturday June 7th, 1788, when merchants closed down their shops as groups of 300 to 400 formed, armed with stones, sticks, axes, bars.  They seized cathedral’s bells which became a call to all French peasants which the crowd grew swiftly. The Royal Navy soldiers injured a 75-year-old man with a bayonet drawing the first sight of blood. The people became enraged tearing up the streets and they climbed onto the roofs throwing down the roof-tiles on the soldiers. The soldiers took refuge in a building and began to shoot through the windows into the crowd. By six PM, a crowd estimated at ten thousand people began shouting “Long live the parliament.” They finally agreed to to refuse to pay all taxes not voted by the Estates-General and they demanded an end to arbitrary imprisonment – police abuse.

Maximilien Robespierre (1754-1794) pursued a planned socialist economy and he grew paranoid about any opposition and unleashed the Reign Of Terror of 1793–1794 to silence all enemies of the Revolution. He was overthrown by the moderates who had Robespierre executed on July 28, 1794. His famous quote: “The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant.” This remains the core of fake news today.

Even Lenin who declared “All Power to the Soviets” (Collected Works, Vol. 25: June-September 1917 (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1964), 155-56) presented a lucid strategic indication, which projected the course of the revolution and the construction of socialism through the seizure of power by the soviets. Lenin elaborated: “The imperialist war was bound, with objective inevitability…to turn into a civil war between the hostile classes” (Collected Works, Vol. 23: August 1916-March 1917 (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1964), 299.) 

In Russia, on Sunday, January 9th, 1905, the people began to march unarmed and locking arms to see the Tsar. Some carried religious icons and banners, as well as national flags and portraits of the Tsar. At 2 pm all of the converging processions were scheduled to arrive at the Winter Palace in Russia. There was no single confrontation with the troops. The infantry was backed by Cossacks and Hussars. As reported, the soldiers simply opened fire on the crowd and were not provoked. The official number of victims was 92 dead and several hundred wounded.  Some leaders vanished and others were seized. Expelled from the capital, they circulated through the empire telling everyone “The Tsar will not help us!” The government suppressed the uprising, but this would only fuel the discontent in the years ahead.

Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) explained that because people are “quick to change their nature when they imagine they can improve their lot,” he wrote, a leader must also be shrewd. “The fact is that a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous. Therefore, if a prince wants to maintain his rule he must be prepared not to be virtuous, and to make use of this or not according to need.” Machiavelli rejected the philosopher’s view of politics being a good leader is one who is humble, moral and honest. Instead, Machiavelli said quite frankly, “It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot have both.”

Modern politicians simply lie to our face while rejecting kindness or morality. They follow Machiavelli who argued that “Making an example of one or two offenders is kinder than being too compassionate, and allowing disorders to develop into murder and chaos which affects the whole community.” Indeed, people like Snowden are demonized by politicians as an example not to betray government for the sake of the people, morality, or justice. Machiavelli  also warned that keeping one’s word can also be dangerous since “experience shows that those who do not keep their word get the better of those who do.”

Therefore, the Second Stage is one of rising protests and discontent with initial confrontation against the government who relies upon the police state they have created. As long as the police continue to support the government against the people, this will inevitably lead to the next next Revolutionary stage.

The THIRD STAGE is where it often becomes outright war in the streets as governments seek to retain power and refuse to see the error of their ways. In some revolutions, such as the Nika Revolt of 532AD, the police side with the people or stand back. In the case of the Ukrainian Revolution against Yanakovich, once the police saw that the people coming to the aid of the president were Russians, the police switched sides and supported the people. In the case of the Nika Revolt, the government called in the army who then massacred the people and the police. In the case of the American Revolution, the central power was in England and not local. This allowed the local authorities to differentiate themselves from the British.

In the case of the Russian Revolution of 1991, Boris Yeltsin stood on the tank as asked the army not to fire upon their own people. Once the military power stood down, the government fell. It will always depend upon the loyalty of the police and army as to how a revolution will unfold.

The FOURTH STAGE is retribution when in a domestic revolution in direct confrontation with the government and head of state. In the case of the American Revolution, the head of state was not within reach. However, they confiscated property and hung those who supported the king. Of course, in the case of the Russian Revolution, they executed the entire Romanov family. This is the phase of evening the score for years of suppression and injustice.

The former head of state is often publicly killed and typically all their ministers. This was the case not just during the Russian Revolution, but the French Revolution with Louis XVI an his wife but the English Revolution where they seized King Charles I and beheaded him in public as well. There have also been incidents of assassination even after a loss as was the case with Abraham Lincoln in 1865.

The FIFTH STAGE is typically the recovery stage where a new form of government emerges from the ashes. The intelligent political Moderates take power as was the case in the United States typically on the ideas of some Utopian system. Once again, this differs insofar as the political power was in England rather than America so there was not a wholesale murder campaign of all former ministers. In the case of the French Revolution, after the retribution stage where even the moderates were killed by the radicals led by Robespierre who seized control. As the French Revolution fell into the hands of Robespierre (1758-1794) he began a Reign of Terror (September 5, 1793-July 27, 1794) that would come to an end with his own death. This was followed by more uprisings and eventually the French Constitution was drafted (August 22-September 23, 1795), and approved with the Directory taking power.

It is during this recovery stage where the radicals are usually overthrown and sometimes a new head of state emerges such as Napoleon or Oliver Cromwell. In the case of the United States where the former head of state was not local, the bureaucracy begins and we see the rise of political parties and divisions emerge once again between opposing political views. There is at this point the restoration of a sense of nationalism but the cycle of corruption slowly begins to take root.

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Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'
June 15, 2020 9:12 am

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
-John Adams-

Hand-wringing over facts and statistics is a useless exercise. Either we return to being a “Moral” and “Religious” society, not through legislation and coercion but through a common social “compact”, then our Constitution will remain ineffective. Unchecked immigration will make any such “social compact” an impossibility. Where we go from here…………

Just Sayin’

bigfoot
bigfoot
  Just Sayin'
June 15, 2020 9:34 am

Right on, Just Sayin’. But without exporting a group or two, even with blocking immigration, we have what looks like an insurmountable problem. A rap culture that celebrates criminality and bodily excesses along with so many socialist imbeciles in high places and low do not make one optimistic.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Just Sayin'
June 15, 2020 12:16 pm

all these complaints about “police brutality” and “government oppression” are nothing more than an effort to clear the field for immorality and lawlessness.

Donkey
Donkey
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 5:03 pm

What?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 8:04 pm

Horseshit. Prosecutors who aren’t publicly hanged for willfully incarcerating innocent citizens is the reason we are where we are. That, and judges who aren’t term limited, and cops who aren’t held to the same standards as the rest of the populares.

Sovereign immunity is total fucking bullshit. It’s a major reason we fought the Revolution. Unless you want to quarter filthy pigs in the same residence in which your kids reside? Today, you’ll be lucky if you aren’t killed and your home seized by the Government Goon Squad.

We CANNOT have resolution of the current state of affairs in this country until an orderly, lawful, fair and impartial trial by jury process is constructed that punishes every aforementioned offender, up to and including SCOTUS and DoJ.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 15, 2020 8:57 pm

“Sovereign immunity is total fucking bullshit.”

You want the same thing the rioters want.

“Today, you’ll be lucky if you aren’t killed and your home seized by the Government Goon Squad.”

What kind of life are you living that this is on your radar?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 9:39 pm

You want the same thing the rioters want.

The rioters don’t know what the fuck they want. Some are opportunistic looters, some are pissed about what they PERCEIVE as racial injustice, some are pissed because they’ve lost everything. There is no singular message. One thing is crystal clear: It’s not entirely about racism. The goverment which declares sovereign immunity for itself will never take responsibility for the tens of millions of unemployed it created. And it won’t rule against itself. It is putting itself and its special interests above the law. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others, eh?

What I want is the same thing every American should want: A government in which the sovereign is vested in the citizenry, hence strictly limited in its authority. If the protesters wanted to win, they’d be placing the blame further up the chain of command than the cops.

What kind of life are you living that this is on your radar?

First they came for the Communists. But I wasn’t a Communist.

You’d better wake up, son. It isn’t all about you or me. Murder, theft, extortion, assault and battery, embezzlement, racketeering, counterfeiting – all of these are crimes for all citizens under a rule of law. No exceptions.

Your conflation of the rule of law with what we have now is EXACTLY why the government will crash and burn. Good luck with that, you’re gonna need it!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 15, 2020 10:28 pm

“First they came for the Communists. But I wasn’t a Communist.”

I’ve never been arrested, nor have I ever known anyone even second hand who was arrested, let alone “killed and their home seized by a government good squad”, and I’ve known a fair number of people and lived in a fair number of places. If you think you’re “lucky if you aren’t killed and your home seized by the Government Goon Squad” there’s probably a good reason for it, so you’ll first have to tell me what it is you’re doing that makes you think that way before I’ll get involved.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 11:28 pm

Let me try this one last time. I am not worried about me. Using your logic, no one innocent gets arrested or convicted of anything. Governments never murder, never falsely imprison, never slaps Wells Fargo on the wrist for money laundering, never strikes cushy plea deals with pedophiles. Well shit, what fucking world have I been living in the past two years?!

Good job avoiding every point in my comments that provide the very context, hence answer, to your rhetoric. Who gives a shit if you or me has never been arrested or left with our property intact, unlike LTG Flynn? It’s completely immaterial to the debate at hand, it’s fallacy of composition, and it connotes an extremely limited ability to reason in the abstract. The world doesn’t revolve around you or me.

Civil Asset Forfeiture: Where Due Process Goes to Die

Refocus and counter my points, or explain to me why you support the frequent violation of the Bill of Rights by those with sovereign immunity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 16, 2020 10:11 am

And shall I also explain whether or not I’ve stopped beating my wife yet?

Yes, there’s always injustice somewhere, and it would be nice to be rid of it. But it sounds like you’re using that as a cover for something else – just like the rioters – and pushing your own narrative – just like the rioters – not to address injustice but to advance your own goals – just like the rioters.

There’s abstract reasoning and then there’s looming obsession. Not that the obsession is unreal – there’s probably a very good reason you speak of being killed by a “government goon squad”. So, I think I’ve brought out the real point behind your rhetoric.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 11:41 am

Yes, there’s always injustice somewhere, and it would be nice to be rid of it. But it sounds like you’re using that as a cover for something else – just like the rioters – and pushing your own narrative – just like the rioters – not to address injustice but to advance your own goals – just like the rioters.

And it sounds like YOU are covering for decades of crimes against the citizens. But I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding you, so if you could clarify, please. Do you believe there is a rule of law? If yes, then how does that jive with the aforementioned crimes? Do you believe that the rioters, pillagers, and looters should be justifiably punished, along with ANYONE AND EVERYONE else who did and do the same thing at the government level?

There’s abstract reasoning and then there’s looming obsession.

Indeed! Why are you obsessed with attacking my integrity to push your narrative, which seems to be to deflect away from the objective truth?

Not that the obsession is unreal – there’s probably a very good reason you speak of being killed by a “government goon squad”. So, I think I’ve brought out the real point behind your rhetoric.

You think highly incorrectly – laughably so – but I’ll take the high road on that personal attack. You can’t argue with any of the points I’ve made and you don’t even make an attempt to, so you attempt to paint me with a broad brush so as to marginalize me.

Now back to the original premise. Do you or do you not believe in sovereign immunity for the State?

Answer this one question and we can determine what YOU truly stand for. It’s a simple question. Yes or no.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 10:37 pm

Anon
What kind of life are you living that you are unaware of the huge cottage industry of asset seizure and forfeiture by State, Local, and Federal govenment in the US.
Are you aware of the financial bind the Feds put on General Flynn and his children. Just to name a known public case.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
June 15, 2020 11:43 pm

He’s not interested in the truth, just his narrative. I think he’s here with ulterior motives.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Articles of Confederation
June 16, 2020 12:11 am

AOC
I guess his mom is working the swing shift so he has the laptop all to himself.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
June 16, 2020 12:06 pm

No, I don’t think so. He writes too well, even if he doesn’t have the knowledge to back up his narrative. He’s actually spun it around as an attack on me in a rather masterful way. Quite interesting and it leads me to believe that Jim’s site is indeed making inroads with the truth at a high level. He’s using a counter-Alinsky tactice to freeze one’s opponent.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
June 15, 2020 11:56 pm

flea,
a couple of years ago you were trying to find some info on what you had been told was
basically a futures market in asset seizure & forfeiture–it was just b4 one of the times you went awol–
did you ever find out anything about it?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
June 16, 2020 12:08 am

Red.
Tried again not too long ago but still no results. The people I emailed never responded, including Max Keiser who originally aired it. The problem with his archives was they didn’t go back that far and if you don’t put in the right keyword you get blanks.
What we know for certain is it’s still happening.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
June 16, 2020 12:15 am

This?

Craig Brand Talks Asset Forfeiture With Max Keiser

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Articles of Confederation
June 16, 2020 3:22 am

AOC.
Close but this was about a Niche bond issuance by NY banks based on a city, county, township or federal agencies projected asset seizure potential for the coming year based on drug enforcement.

22winmag - TBP's Yankee Mormon Shit-poster
22winmag - TBP's Yankee Mormon Shit-poster
  Just Sayin'
June 15, 2020 3:34 pm

Dead nuts correct.

Highly recommended on this topic; http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/hva_great/index.html

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Just Sayin'
June 15, 2020 7:59 pm

Pfft, I can’t think of a single incident in human history where an empire willingly rolled back its tyranny. Just doesn’t happen. They already wipe their collective asses with the Constitution. So forget putting that toothpaste back in the tube. No term limits on all politicians, no prohibition of federal debt except in times of domestic war, and allowing all knuckle-draggers to vote = too little, too late.

The best I am hoping for is a better form of government after this one falls. As to what course we as a nation take along the way? Who knows.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 15, 2020 10:07 am

Cops, run do not walk to the exit from the police station. Your chief and community do not have your back. Any interaction with the public that includes violence puts your career, family and life at risk. You are risking all to defend the interests of PTB. Stop being the muscle for the loansharks at Citi bank and Wall Street.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  overthecliff
June 15, 2020 12:21 pm

“Your chief and community do not have your back.”

If they leave, that means you’ll be doing their job. Can you?

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 9:07 pm

I’ll take care of myself for awhile. When shit gets bad enough , order will finally get restored.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  overthecliff
June 16, 2020 9:47 am

Or you’ll be overwhelmed and dead.

Martin
Martin
June 15, 2020 11:26 am

De-funding the Police as the urban areas want is a Win-Win for the suburbs where the ideas of civilization and working for a living still rule. Think about it – a Big-City police force is heavily subsidized by the surrounding counties & State. Its a big Win for the counties not to send tax money and mostly white police officers to police an area that can’t produce enough value to pay its way. Its also a big Win for the counties when the remaining people from the cities who are civilized and working move out to the counties. The solution to the rioters & protestors is to do exactly what they want, de-fund the police. Let the city people burn the cities, good riddance. De-fund the police, de-fund Section 8, de-fund the DEA, de-fund the urban jails and everything else too. Let them live as they wish. It’ll look like Haiti.

anarchyst
anarchyst
June 15, 2020 12:12 pm

“Municipal police departments” are a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of human civilization. This concept of “law enforcement” is beholden to the power structure and not to the citizenry.

In “the good old days”, the “sheriff” was the chief “law enforcement” individual in the county and had broad reign in his respective jurisdiction. When the need arose, ordinary citizens were “deputized” and were given limited “police authority” at the discretion of the “sheriff”. This was used during emergencies when there was a need for “manpower”. Today, this has morphed into the need for permanently appointed sheriff’s deputies.

In order for a sheriff to be elected (and re-elected) he has to have a good reputation among the citizenry. Accountability to the citizenry is a large part of the equation.

Fast forward to today, where the “chief of police” in the major urban areas is quite often a political “hack” whose allegiance is to the mayor and power structure, not the citizenry. This is a large part of the problem as it fosters an “us vs. them” attitude, where the citizenry (us) is considered to be the “enemy”. It gets worse, as city officials “pull back” their police when they should be doing just the opposite.

The concept of “immunity” for public officials has been expanded to the point that police departments operate with impunity and have no problem abusing their power as the prosecutors, courts, and in general the “system” is heavily stacked against the victim of police abuses. It is almost impossible to sue police departments for abuses committed by their personnel.

Individual police officers cannot be sued as they are “protected” from lawsuits by their official “immunity”. Even with incontrovertible video and audio evidence, police are rarely convicted of crimes. Juror intimidation is a large factor in the inability to reign in the “bad apples”. Police unions play a large part in whitewashing criminal behavior by police.

Immunity negates responsibility and must be abolished.

What we are experiencing today is “blowback”, something that I feared would occur, with the increasing number of publicized police abuse cases. Those who are attacking police see only the uniform and not the person wearing it.

Not a good situation for either police or the citizenry…

Just maybe it is time to abolish municipal police departments and go back to the sheriff model of “law enforcement”.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  anarchyst
June 15, 2020 12:30 pm

“it is time to abolish municipal police departments and go back to the sheriff model”

then the sheriffs will become police. and if you get rid of the sheriffs then local gangs will become police. and if you get rid of local gangs then individuals will become police, and will be overburdened by the consequences. and then everyone will cry for a professional police force.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 9:48 pm

Maybe go back to the days of the irregulars, where everyone was armed and self-organized as they deemed fit? Nah, probably not profitable enough for the police unions and their pensions WE pay for.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 15, 2020 10:32 pm

Private police, private security forces, private armies, private justice. Been there, done that, doesn’t work for anyone except the owners.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 9:33 am

WTF are you talking about? Ever read George Mason? It’s not “private armies”, LOL. WE are the militia. A monopoly on force should never solely reside within the State.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 16, 2020 10:18 am

So you want competing forces. Warfare in the streets. Corporate hit squads. Family feuds. Gang bangs. The Green and the Blue.

Been there. Done that. Doesn’t work.

Well that’s not exactly true, it certainly works for the winners. Are you a winner?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 11:25 am

Been there. Done that. Doesn’t work.
So laughably untrue and easily disproven. Why lie to make a point? That may work on reddit but not on TBP.

Q: How did it work before Pinkerton? Please elaborate as to potential reasons why.

Q: How did it work after? Please elaborate as to potential reasons why.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 15, 2020 10:35 pm

“the police unions and their pensions WE pay for.”

The costs are unavoidable. Either you pay others to do it, or you do it yourself costing twice as much in addition to taking on the personal physical risk and personal legal risk.

Professional police are a bargain.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 9:34 am

Bullshit, Pinkerton. You are ignorant of American history. And that is a fact.

You just want to outsource your civic duties to a bunch of guys who aren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. What could possibly go wrong?!?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
June 16, 2020 10:26 am

And you’re a sharp tool, no doubt about it. But what about everyone else? All those “not sharp tools” will now have the same civic duties you envision for yourself – except now there will be no rules except the ones you (and they!) make up on the spot, day by day, year by year. Been there. Done that. Doesn’t work.

And speaking of history, those “not sharp tools” won’t remain individuals, they’ll form gangs – gangs with no rules at all. Just like humans always do. And what will you do then?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 11:26 am

Been there. Done that. Doesn’t work.

Got it. Spouting Turtledove-esque, alternative history doesn’t make it true. Come back to me once you’ve cracked a book on American history. Your solution amounts to “gradual” reforms to the current gang. Fabianism has never worked one time for a secular period of time in human history. And in your instance, it’s trading one gang for another because it doesn’t solve the root of the problem.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
June 15, 2020 12:17 pm

Assuming the police get defunded at the city and state levels, expect constitutional law to disappear and citizen rights to be trampled on far worse than it is now. It will be the self-described “Der Pipple’s kommissars”, immature hippies, and gangsters who’ll end up destroying economies and fighting among their own little fiefdoms.
Normal people will eventually end up having to confront and remove these hypocrites because it’s always about power.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  e.d. ott
June 15, 2020 12:25 pm

“it’s always about power”

always. and groups always overpower individuals.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 15, 2020 12:19 pm

“Society cannot exist,” wrote Edmund Burke, “unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

22winmag - TBP's Yankee Mormon Shit-poster
22winmag - TBP's Yankee Mormon Shit-poster
June 15, 2020 3:33 pm

TLDR

What you are witnessing are fake riots and fake revolutions staged to preempt real ones; https://tinyurl.com/yczkb32u (shorter andmore informative than this TLDR article)

Scott halloween
Scott halloween
June 15, 2020 3:42 pm

When I was a child my father advised, “when solving a problem, listen to what the majority are saying, then, figure out what the exact opposite of that solution is. Often the blindness of mobs prevent people from seeing *what* the problem actually is, then, with this in mind, consider BOTH.”
In this case,
Making the police weaker, softer ,rule laden and more handcuffed or defunded is allowing the intemperate to wreak havoc.

What would the opposite look like?

Perhaps an “officer friendly” patrol who come, film and observes mostly and Then decides if the FUCKING BERSERKER POLICE need to be dispatched,
The BESERKERS will be nameless, faceless, purposely hired psychopaths immune to ANY prosecution while employed.
No one, not even the officer friendlys will know who these masked nightmares are.
(Officer friendly will intercede if life or limb is in jeopardy. Otherwise they observe, and politely but firmly ask the offender to cooperate)
The public need to be endlessly informed that the BERSERKER POLICE have full authority to do ANYTHING they want to maintain order,
NO act is too outrageous or heinous,
NO force too much,
They will arrive in overwhelming FORCE armed to the nuts with anything they want to bring.
Machine guns
Hand grenades
Flame throwers.
Abrams tanks
Industrial wood chippers.
they will burn down your crack house with you in it if you don’t surrender.
And they will do it immediately after their first demand to surrender is rebuffed.
Rob some place and *shoot* at “officer friendly” and you. Are. Dead. Here comes the BERSERKERS.They will not stop until you are. Guaranteed.
They will kill the hostages to get to you.
Shoot a bazooka into a heroin den.
Run you over in the streets, killing innocents as well as the guilty.
They will drop a safe from a helicopter to stop your fleeing car.
They will machine gun you to hunks of hamburger and then go for a taco.
Gangs/ drug lords will have to disband or face a full on WAR against the BESERKERS.
They will have FULL authority to just get it done.
Anytime
EVERYTIME.
And full immunity.
*YOU DO NOT WANT OFFICER FUCK’N FRIENDLY TO CALL FOR THE BERSERKER POLICE*.

Ever.

You will stand down now, or I will call the BESERKERS.
Prison is a vacation compared to what happens next.
Word will spread,
They will televise their own mayhem.
The public will be horrified, but unable to do anything about it but whine.
Those committing crimes will understand that their time on earth is rapidly coming to a close.
Yup, Officer Friendly can abuse this.
KNOW THAT IT CAN BE ABUSED, be on your best, most polite behaviour if you even see a regular policeman.

This plan allows for those with temperate minds to cooperate, and for those with intemperate minds to exit the gene pool.
This is what the complete opposite of “what we are doing now”, looks like.
I think it could work.
Your pal
Scott.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Scott halloween
June 15, 2020 4:40 pm

“The BESERKERS will be nameless, faceless, purposely hired psychopaths immune to ANY prosecution while employed.”

and you long to be that. don’t you.

it’ll happen. prosecution, not just for cops but for anyone, prosecution as such, is about to go away. so you’ll get your wish.

Scott halloween
Scott halloween
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 5:01 pm

I absolutely do not want to be one of the Beserkers.
They are horrifying as a concept.
You don’t,sincerely believe that steven King wants to be a pedophile child eating space clown
Just because he writes about them, do you?
This musing was constructed from the idea “ just you wait until your Dad gets home”
Currently mommy is running things and it is intolerable.
The opposite of letting the baby have its bottle is , of course, going to be reprehensible.

Further,
By taking this to a personal place, you have led me to believe, you are actually a libtard troll.
Address this thought experiment with other, Fresher, better thoughts not name calling.
I bet mommy let you get your way, didn’t she.
Yours
Scott.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Scott halloween
June 15, 2020 8:59 pm

“You don’t,sincerely believe that steven King wants to be a pedophile child eating space clown
Just because he writes about them, do you?”

It would explain a great deal.

Anonymous1
Anonymous1
June 15, 2020 4:27 pm

When an event occurs in multiple locations, all with the same behaviors, slogans, and calls for actions, you know this is a professionally organized operation, with funding, instructions, and crisis actors, all to play a part in the particular event(s).

Please pay no attention to those who seek attention. A simple muzzle will work,
when all else fails, remove power to the local cell tower, and see how quickly the helpless sheep will scurry home to their safe places.

all you have to do is cut a chain and throw a switch, these towers are generally unmaned, and have very easy to penetrate site security. you may have to dis-engage the automatic generator along with the mains,
but at the end of the day, these are manual switches, they may look scary and have hi-voltage signs, but relax, they are meant to be turn on and off by humans.

I am simply amazed at how many stupid people there are on this planet.
and how everyone expect someone else to step in and take action.

you are the only one who can take action in your area. most of your neighbors will thank you after the fact.

PS you get to wear a mask these days, so take comfort in the fact that you can run around anonymously, to do the right thing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 15, 2020 4:47 pm

police behavior directly reflects community behavior.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Anonymous
June 15, 2020 9:52 pm
Scott halloween
Scott halloween
  Anonymous
June 16, 2020 7:26 am

And vice versa.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
June 15, 2020 10:27 pm

Defunding the police has nothing to do with funding pros and cons. It is an operation to paralyze the government so the Bolsheviks can run amok.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Fleabaggs
June 16, 2020 9:51 am

And not just Bolsheviks. It seems there’s quite a few who want to run amok.

TampaRed
TampaRed
June 16, 2020 12:08 am

big tech isn’t having a change of heart about facial recognition software,they just don’t want it used against their fellow travelers–

those we don't speak of
those we don't speak of
June 16, 2020 8:23 am

a good start would be defunding and eliminating the department of motor vehicles and eliminating the need for license plates, tags, and vehicle insurance. Then we could move on to the TSA at airports

Anonymous
Anonymous
  those we don't speak of
June 16, 2020 9:55 am

And business licensing too. Oh, and medical licensing. And labeling laws. And food regulations. And everything like that. Because honest people don’t need any of that, and we’re all honest, so it’s all good.