“Will You Shut Up Man?” – Debate Post-Mortem: Trump Dominant But Biden Better Than Expected

Via ZeroHedge

And just like that it’s over…

It was contentious, for sure; but here is a quick summary of the performance:

  • SCOTUS – Trump won by TKO
  • COVID – Biden won, but close.
  • Economy – A tie
  • Race – A tie (Trump facts on Biden’s history versus Biden repetitive claims Trump’s a racist but no gotcha)
  • Law And Order – Trump won (Biden unable to get past ‘defund’ and reform)
  • Track Records – Trump won (Biden unable to get past Green New Deal malarkey)
  • Election Integrity – A tie (but we might have given Trump the edge on Coup/recent ballots issues)

Overall, Biden did a lot better than many expected but on policies and straightforward facts, Trump won the first debate comfortably.

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer made it clear what the goal was:

“Clearly this is the most chaotic presidential debate that I have ever seen. That most of you have ever seen I suspect. … I wouldn’t be surprised by the way if this was the last presidential debate between the president of the United States and the former vice president of the United States but we will see.”

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Steve
Steve
September 30, 2020 7:55 am

It was a Biden win. He showed up. I never thought he would make it to the stage.
He kept pointing to the camera and talked directly and appealed to the audience.
Yeah, he stammered a dozen times but no real gaffes.
Trump wasn’t very Presidential. He was frustrated and petulant.
I though Trump would wax his ass but Joe did far better than I thought he could. It was a tie in technical terms but Joe won the emotional elements IMO.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Steve
September 30, 2020 8:01 am

Joe won the emotional element. That’s the problem with this country, they base everything on emotion. It was a ploy and nothing more. A lot of people saw through it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve
September 30, 2020 8:08 am

Bottom line: The American Citizens LOST. The debate was a total SHITSHOW.

Perhaps folks watching got the message: DON’T RELY ON THOSE TWO FOR ANYTHING.

American people: IT’S UP TO YOU

BL
BL
  Anonymous
September 30, 2020 9:02 am

Anon- Vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE…… and truly MAGA.

Javelin
Javelin
  Steve
September 30, 2020 8:58 am

Joe was wearing a wire.. check out the YouTube video before they delete it

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
  Steve
September 30, 2020 8:59 am

+1

I limited myself to only 5 minutes somewhere in the middle and agree fully.

Trump’s incessant head tilting was the worst.

Kid Jupiter
Kid Jupiter
  Steve
September 30, 2020 9:31 am

Biden didn’t win. Biden/Wallace won.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  Steve
September 30, 2020 12:53 pm

He showed up and therefore he won? Damn, talk about setting a low bar. Furthermore if Wallace hadn’t run interference for him Biden would have been left stuttering and stammering after Trump nailed him with the Hunter issues. The attempt to deflect from Hunter by bringing up the dead son was weak.
Biden, like Hillary, has lots of baggage in his train. Why the dems chose him and Kamala remains a mystery, they had better choices, sorta, so why those two?

micky
micky
  Steve
September 30, 2020 4:23 pm

Your right. Biden’s expectations were so low all he had to do was stay lucid and not pee his pants. Biden stayed engaged, and with Wallace’s help managed an average performance.
Trump was boorish, but that’s Trump.
We’re any minds changed? No, I doubt it. Trump has my vote because he is the horse we have to race and we better pray he pulls it out and helps delay our descent into a Bosnian , identity politics driven hell where whites will quickly become second class citizens in the nation their fathers founded.

Who won? I think the chicoms…..

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 7:59 am

Chris Wallace sucked as a moderator. When the League of Women Voters were organizing the debates, they were well done. The gave the candidates time to answer questions, with a rebuttal from the other candidate. Then both candidates were each allowed rebuttals. It was all very organized. Watch the Reagan/Carter debate as an example. It was very informative. Since the two parties took over the debates, they’re terrible and not worth watching.

glock 1911 M1A .308
glock 1911 M1A .308
  Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 8:40 am

Wallace is a POS, a horrible speaker, and a totalitarian of the highest order. He’s right up there with Fauci, Wray and Oprah in my book.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Administrator
September 30, 2020 8:35 am

What was that?

Must be a loose watch band.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  hardscrabble farmer
September 30, 2020 9:18 am

According to his supporters, it is a rosary he wears in memory of his good son.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjKYLwFVkAA85Do?format=jpg&name=medium

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  TN Patriot
September 30, 2020 9:40 am

And the wire under his lapel? Dog hair?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvY38Pa0m5E

I spoke too soon, it’s a crease in his shirt.

Totally.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  hardscrabble farmer
September 30, 2020 10:32 am

yup, one of those wire shaped creases that you always see on the front of shirts where the fabric is stretched tight.
There are drugs that made Hillary look alert and competent, ditto for Biden. Plus, Biden refused to get checked for an earbud or wire, ditto for drug testing…wonder why?

glock 1911 M1A .308
glock 1911 M1A .308
  Administrator
September 30, 2020 8:37 am

Watching the debate live, I actually wondered if they hadn’t miked into his brain. Between that and the adrenaline/amphetamine they obviously pumped him full of, Biden was surprisingly lucid and other than the incessant, outright lying, surprisingly effective.

glock 1911 M1A .308
glock 1911 M1A .308
September 30, 2020 8:30 am

Biggest loser? Chris Wallace. Could barely string a sentence together. Clearly shaken several times, and he made the ancient pervert, Biden, appear eloquent and well spoken by comparison. Wallace makes no bones about the fact that he too glories in the destruction of the our constitutional republic. Seeing a few of these fuckwads swing for treason would be more than gratifying. What a criminal enterprise fox news is.

BL
BL
  glock 1911 M1A .308
September 30, 2020 8:58 am

Chris Wallace is jooish.

glock 1911 M1A .308
glock 1911 M1A .308
  BL
September 30, 2020 9:33 am

Clearly.

Sam J
Sam J
September 30, 2020 8:42 am

Trump is no chess player. In last nights debates, Trump got mad, overturned the table spilling all the chess pieces and the board on the floor, then strutted around claiming he won. His strategy was simply, he who talks the loudest and interrupts the most wins the arguments. Instead of pulling up a chair in a debate, he pulls out a club. Sorry, but that’s not how the game is won by being a babbling buffoon and running your face like a chainsaw. His dimensions of chess are sliding into negative territory…..like -4D. His attempt to goad and gaslight Biden into an emotional response was an epic fail, instead Biden was cool hand Luke all the way, didn’t flinch a bit. I did not see any sign of dementia from Biden as the many fake news reports had previously claimed.

Biden was sharp and responsive, but only when the orange machine gun mouth would shut his pie hole for Biden to give an answer. The moderator clearly knew this and had to all but tell Trump to STFU. Wallace lost some control but not through any fault of his own. How do you STFU someone who just wont. The bullet points above are only the opinion of ZH and they are clearly biased as the always are. Objectivity is not in their lexicon.

Clearly Joe Biden wiped the floor with Trump and left behind Trump’s podium a steaming pile of orange shit when it was all said and done. I only hope the American people can see through the facade of Trump in the defining count.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 8:52 am

I don’t think you and I watched the same debate. Or you could be a lunatic.

Sam J
Sam J
  Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 9:03 am

The problem with people like you is that you are a personality voter instead of a transactional voter. You ascertain facts through your emotions instead of facts themselves, thereby creating your own alternate reality. It’s your safe space. Practice the fetal position when your safe space is destroyed on 11-3-2020. You’re going to need it because reality is going to determine this election, not you’re feelings.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 9:13 am

Did you not see my comment above saying the problem is people use their emotions to make decisions, like in voting? I’m the farthest from a SJW that you’ll ever get in your friggin’ life. I don’t even vote you Asshole. So take your safe space and shove it up your ass.

Sam J
Sam J
  Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 9:33 am

If you’re not a voter then you have really no right to speak an opinion. The news that has been put out about Biden has clearly been fake news from rightwing controlled media. Biden clearly was asked “would he concede the election to Trump if he lost” Biden said “yes he would when all the votes are counted he would”. Wallace then asked Trump the same question and instead of Trump giving a yes or no answer it was “#*)#!@?%%*kfdf^#4”. Dodging the question and never giving a straight up answer with a yes or a no.

And to consider all this bullshit propaganda that the dems are going to try to steal the election, when Biden outright admits he will concede and Trump refused to even answer the same question put to him, it looks like the truth is just the opposite, the Trump administration is the one’s attempting the 2020 coup, not the dems.

Asked if Trump condemns white supremacy, again, Trump refused to answer that question too. Asked if Biden condemns the violence by ANTIFA and BLM, Biden gave an unambiguous YES.

Do you really think the American people are not going to see that the color of bullshit is orange? You can only bullshit the people some of the time but you can’t bullshit the people all of the time. Thank god the game of bullshit ends on 11-3-2020 (actually 1-20-2021) and law enforcement will be waiting outside the Whitehouse to take Trump into custody because they will be able to because he wont be the untouchable disgrace of a POTUS anymore.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 9:44 am

Since I don’t vote, I have more to complain about than you voters. You are the ones picking these terrible candidates. Don’t blame me for your bad decisions.
I’ll repeat, you’re a lunatic. It you believe anything you typed above, you obviously follow the mainstream media, which means you have no clue of what’s actually going on, not only in this country but throughout the world. You’re the last person that should be voting.

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 9:40 am

I like Sam’s colorful language, let’s be nice to him for a few days before we kick his ass.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Guido McShagg
September 30, 2020 9:55 am

Why bother waiting? The man doesn’t live in the real world.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  Vixen Vic
September 30, 2020 10:15 am

Sam is a perfect democrat, not too bright, gullible, easily led and desirous of a police state to keep him safe.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Mygirl....most definitely
September 30, 2020 12:20 pm

As I’ve said before, they’re all nuts.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 10:30 am

I think you just described yourself, Sam. Project much?

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Mary Christine
September 30, 2020 10:49 am

Sam doesn’t know what he thinks. He’s waiting for someone else to tell him.

Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 9:10 am

They both won. Biden played to his base calling Trump stupid etc., and didn’t go comatose at the podium. Trump played to his base by being aggressive and calling out Joe’s family graft and hypocrisy.

At the end of the day no minds were changed, and IMHO there’s really no minds left to be changed. Even those thinking they are “undecided” are just looking to confirm their own biases.

Just Sayin’

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  Just Sayin'
September 30, 2020 6:29 pm

At this juncture of The Scamdemic and The USSA’s Cirque Politique, there are few minds left at all, period.

Arcayer
Arcayer
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 10:07 am

Trump was awful. It was incredible. All he had to do was stand there, but no. Sad.

There’s basically one group of undecideds left in this election. People with left wing inclinations who fear Biden is too senile, together with their converse, people with right wing inclinations who fear Trump is too Hitler. The Elon Musk/Mitt Romney crowd.

Biden was doing his best to convince watchers he’s a demented old has been but, Trump wouldn’t stand for it, and I assume the election is now decided.

This sort of thing is why I despise representative democracy. We shouldn’t be deciding issues of policy on the basis of which of two blathering madmen has more lost it.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  Sam J
September 30, 2020 10:40 am

Trump got mad and overturned the chess board? Dear me, that old canard has grown a beard. Please, your biases are so obvious that it’s embarrassing to read your comment. Did you crawl over from Huff Post or CNN? I would suggest you apply for work with Huff Post except they’re on the chopping block due to non-performance and cost overruns.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
September 30, 2020 9:08 am

I had a feeling Joe’s supposed dementia has been purposely overblown by his own team, if hasn’t been outright stage play all along.

That feeling hasn’t changed after last night.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
September 30, 2020 9:19 am

I’d buy that. He is, however, not the sharpest tool on the shed.

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  hardscrabble farmer
September 30, 2020 9:38 am

in

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Guido McShagg
September 30, 2020 9:42 am

That’s how not sharp he is.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  hardscrabble farmer
September 30, 2020 10:24 am

It was the Wallace/ Trump debate.

Biden had enlarged pupils, really enlarged, like a shark or a doll, which was odd when you realize he was under some studio lighting. Creepy.

Then, you had Wallace running interference for him constantly, letting him run on and chastising Trump when he called Biden out on his bullshit. Interesting too how Wallace really worked to try and shut trump up over anything relating to Hunter and his malfeasance. Then Wallace worked real hard to get Trump to admit that he supported White Supremacists and was a non climate change believer.

Biden is an old hand at playing politician, he was really well rehearsed. That business of looking directly into the camera and talking to the audience like he was speaking directly to them is an old psychological trick meant to imply that the speaker is their friend and will work for them.

I am reminded of the old saw about how politics is show business for ugly people.

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  Mygirl....most definitely
September 30, 2020 10:37 am

Big Red, could you email me, I have a personal question

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  Guido McShagg
September 30, 2020 12:46 pm

chk your mail

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
September 30, 2020 9:37 am

Well if the American voter is just motivated by feelings we’re F’d.

https://youtu.be/wU0Pp2n6ooE

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  Cow Doctor
September 30, 2020 10:14 am

Morris blew most Spanish (and Italian) balladeers out of the water with just one song. I also love Volare but I think Lenardo Favio’s “Ella” (She already forgot me) best approaches Feelings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN42UjkKlaU

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  Guido McShagg
September 30, 2020 10:23 am
Jim in Va.
Jim in Va.
September 30, 2020 9:40 am

Trump under performed and Joe over performed. didn’t change my vote. Cancel the other debates, waste of time.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Jim in Va.
September 30, 2020 9:50 am

My question is, what kind of person is still on the fence at this stage of the game? How stupid do you have to be to not perceive the chasm between the two and is it really possible that they were waiting for the debate to make a choice?

Unfathomable.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  hardscrabble farmer
September 30, 2020 10:27 am

The debate changed no minds, no one is sitting on the fence. Biden wants to close the country, Trump wants it open. Biden wants to return to the Paris Accord and all the other bits and pieces of Green boondoggles, toss the country back to UN and globalist control, force climate change bullshit and ultimately act as place holder for Kamala to take over.

Never forget the riots and Antifa and BLM and ActBlue, the online fundraising scam that sent BLM donations to the Biden campaign.

“Some smart sleuthing by Raheem Kassam and Natalie Winters at The National Pulse shows the donations made to Black Lives Matter actually go to ActBlue. From there ActBlue takes those contributions and sends them forward to the Joe Biden Campaign.”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/11/exploited-again-financial-contributions-to-black-lives-matter-are-being-funneled-to-biden-campaign/

BL
BL
  Mygirl....most definitely
September 30, 2020 12:01 pm

The choice is clear- NONE OF THE ABOVE.

BL
BL
  BL
September 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Wait…. If crude comedy is your thing, vote Andrew Dice Clay for pres.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  BL
September 30, 2020 6:40 pm

Auntie keeps telling you guys: Cthulhu 2024!

Pablo
Pablo
September 30, 2020 10:14 am

Sad that this is all we have to chose between in this land of 330+ million people. No class in either one of the two. If Trump would maintain some self control, and let Biden talk, Biden would bury himself.
Never have understood the blind faith people have in their politicians, or actors, or professional athletes, or made up celebrities.
We are living in a Dystopia now.
The Ones ruling this oligarchy are getting the last laugh as they watch us all at each others throats.

Mygirl....most definitely
Mygirl....most definitely
  Pablo
September 30, 2020 1:36 pm

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TC
TC
September 30, 2020 10:20 am

Biden won because the expectations for him were so low going in. Biden’s pained expression when he tried to get his thoughts back on track were truly cringeworthy, but Trump’s constant interruptions made him come across as a petulant man child. Some highlights that made me scream at the screen were when Trump said “somebody has to do something about Antifa.” You’re the President, jackass! The other highlight was when that dirtbag Wallace asked Trump about Charlottesville – this was an opportunity for Trump to say that YES there were good people there to protest the taking down of the statue, but no, he threw White people under the bus again. Bottom line is that middle class White people are fucked with either of these assholes, and it’s only going to get worse.

Johnny Hooker
Johnny Hooker
September 30, 2020 10:23 am

Trump did a great job both debating and berating ANTIFA/NWO, manifested in human form by Sniffer Joe.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
September 30, 2020 10:34 am

Trump is far from stupid. He does this all the time.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
  Mary Christine
September 30, 2020 11:56 am

Boom!
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yahsure
yahsure
September 30, 2020 10:44 am

Old Joe talked about masks, If he was elected we would face a mask mandate and more shutdown crap.
it was painful watching the debate.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
September 30, 2020 11:27 am

I am thankfull for the Burning Platform’s keeping free speech alive.
On the debate, well its obvious the MSN owns the cameras.

ZeroHedge has become a cesspool of censorship, unworthy of my time.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  YourAverageJoe
September 30, 2020 6:44 pm

“…the MSN owns the cameras.”

Auntie hopes you meant The Evil Fucker’s tools owns the cameras ( studios, networks and everything else affiliated with the Media.)

KaD
KaD
September 30, 2020 11:49 am

Joe Dementia Biden got the questions beforehand and had an earpiece to be read the answer so……

micky
micky
September 30, 2020 4:11 pm

Trump has my vote. He is all we have to stop turning this country into a socialist, politics of identity driven racial hell.
But God we have fallen as nation. What happened to the kind of Statesmen who founded this country. A Jefferson, A Madison, A Franklin, A Hamilton…..
Did our balls fall off? Or has our IQs dropped so low these two are the best we can do?

Amerika….hell yeah!

Guido McShagg
Guido McShagg
  micky
September 30, 2020 6:43 pm
Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  micky
September 30, 2020 6:45 pm

Cthulhu 2024! The clearly best evil choice for the USSA.

Doug
Doug
September 30, 2020 7:38 pm

Neanderthal vs Sapiens. Neanderthal won by force and intelligence. Sapiens looked puny by comparison.