For forty consecutive years, hatred for the other party gotten worse and worse. We are at a point where 75% of Repubs hate Dems, and vice versa.
Q1: What started, continues, and increases the hate?
(Policies? Cultural? Spiritual? Social? All of the above? Something else? What happened???)
Q2: Is the following quote true or false, and why? “Extreme partisan animosity is a prelude to democratic collapse“.
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I don’t think that 75% of each party hates the other. It’s more like 35% of Republicans hate Democrats and 85% of Democrats hate Republicans. It’s not that Republicans are intrinsically more tolerant – it’s that they get used to being more tolerant because all of the levers of social influence are held by the Left: entertainment, education, news media, high tech. You can’t hate your daughter for being a progressive when you know she’s been bombarded by leftism from all sides, but she can easily be told that she has to hate you for supporting “Literally Hitler” and to not hate you is to be “complicit”. Anti-abortion Christian conservatives don’t disinvite their pro-choice family from Thanksgiving, but progressives will cut off all ties because Trump pulled the US out of the Paris climate agreement.
Republicans are also getting something out of the corrupt system. Their big business friends in the MIC get huge payouts. Same with oil, medicine, insurance, pharmaceuticals, etc. and they love what happens to the stock prices and dividends. Then throw in the socialist school system that the majority send their kids to. They all know that whenever they want something horrible, the dems will bend over and give it to them if they simply promise to give the dems something in return. How do you think we ended up with the warfare/welfare state we are in? Both worthless parties love the power, and are happy to share it. Deep down, if not for the dems, the republicans would have to run on ideas and voting records (same with the dems). With both around, they can simply point fingers and say “hey, I’m not as horrible as he/she is…”
Great definition as to why the Republicans twiddle their thumbs during all this. They all want to be rid of Trump, let the global corporations rule the day and collect on the side along the way.
Q1. Civil rights. Taking the boot of the neck was the right, human, and american thing to do.
However, LBJ’s reaction to civil rights, and the policies involved planted the seeds of foment.
Q2. True. The average 45yo and under american is incapable for the most part of independent, intelligent, critical thinking. Public education has seen to that. People do not engage directly for almost 35 years.
So the ‘electronic babysitter’ generations truly DO believe everything they hear on radio and TV. And that’s due to the fairness doctrine and the TelCom act of ’34 being modified or repealed.
GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.
Take a look at any commercial on TV.
Say tooth paste or razor blades. The black man will be shaving and a white women will be behind him. As he is leaving for work with his stethoscope around his neck his Asian daughter and home sexual son will kiss him on the cheek.
How do you fit into this religion?
I don’t buy anything that has kneegrows and white women in a commercial.
Well that eliminates about 75%.
“And then he, and his enablers, and his supporters, and his collaborators, and the Mike Lees, and the William Barrs, and the Sean Hannities, and the Mike Pences, and the Rudy Guilianis, and the Kyle Rittenhouses, and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and rebuild the world Trump has nearly destroyed by turning it over to a virus,” Olberman ranted.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/10/09/heres-what-keith-olbermann-wants-done-to-trump-and-his-supporters-if-dems-win-in-n2577803
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/11/07/jennifer-rubin-calls-for-republican-party-to-be-burned-down-and-no-survivors-n2579673
Evan McMullin is a former CIA officer who ran for president as an Independent in 2016. According to
his Twitter page, he thinks “We should keep and publish a list of everyone who assists Trump’s frivolous and dangerous attacks on the election.
I sure feel the love of the democrats, don’t you?
Watched the Haunting of Hill House on Halloween. It was even in that movie.
I imagine there are many variables surrounding question #1. I would point to the rise in government as the major factor. The ruling class has always known to stay in control you divide and conquer. This farce election is a great example. The chaos it is almost certain to produce is a major part of the plan; problem, reaction, solution.
2-true. But I admit to a trainload of confirmation bias. I despise democracy.
Q1: A very successful campaign by Marxists in all the key areas of society has fomented this division. Academia, many religious institutions, Hollywood, etc. Create division between races, economic positions (rich/middle class/poor), ethnic backgrounds and such, and they will be distracted while the Marxist move the overton window further and further to the left.
Q2: Can you say “A house divided against itself cannot stand”? Pretty much the answer to Q1 above fits this response too. If nothing changes, we indeed will collapse due to enemies within.
Stucky, this has been going on for probably over 100 years. Actually, one could argue since the fall. (I know, those of you that are non-Christian won’t buy that statement). At the core, even if you don’t go back to the Garden of Eden it is about evil vs. good. There will never be an appeasement for the left until the right submits or is destroyed.
Once you realize you live in New Schwabia, none of that really matters.
Q1:
Diversity and wealth/income inequality. I believe NOTHING can cause more anger than these two issues. Oh, and the Civil Rights Act.
Q2:
True. Partisanship is like a religion. The ideals are incompatible.
Q1: At base, Plank implementation and approval by the Federal Government. In particular, and to begin, Plank 5 followed almost immediately by Plank 2.
The Fed (Plank 5) and it’s monetary debauchery started, increases, and continues the destabilization. The symptoms you describe can be thrown onto the pile of other symptoms of monetary debauchery: selective law enforcement, unnatural accumulations of wealth, authoritarians/tyrants everywhere, stifling regulation and taxation, minimization of the value of ethics/morals, glorification of conquest and standing armies, etc., etc.
Without the Fed in place, much of what we are witnessing never takes place. It doesn’t take place because the main centralizing and aggregating mechanism of power/control is non-existent. This does not mean all corruption ends and bad people become non-existent, it means there are natural limits on the destruction they can sow and the money/power they can accumulate. The centralized, aggregating, high-level corruption and giant schemes stem from monetary debauchery and all of that debauchery, 100%, is controlled by The Fed and those who own it.
Centralized and debauched leadership becomes more likely (almost guaranteed) under centralized and debauched monetary systems. Bad money drives out good money and eventually drives out good leaders and almost everything else that is good. Then, one by one, other Planks replace less centralized structures.
Q2: Not to be an ass, but the question is phrased in the form of the logical fallacy known as False Dichotomy. To phrase it in a way where it won’t be called out for False Dichotomy, maybe it’s more like, “Could extreme partisian animosity become a prelude to democratic collapse, and if so, when and why?”.
Yes, it could, but really it’s just another symptom. The real prelude was establishment of a centralized monetary supply/monopoly . When that was put in place, collapse was baked in and the only question is timing.
The Fed allowed politicians to push their electorate to become envious and greedy to win their votes.
Q1: What started, continues, and increases the hate?
The puppet masters behind the demonrat party. Constantly stoking division.
Q2: Is the following quote true or false, and why? “Extreme partisan animosity is a prelude to democratic collapse“.
True. It will likely have one of two outcomes – secession or civil war.
#1- Political correctness, your nose in my business (but you scream & whine when it gets broken), lies & corruption, tax & spend on stupidity for votes (both sides now), I might go on but need more coffee. Hmmm… more coffee. Maybe that’s why I hate everybody today.
#2-Yup
Q.1 Democracy itself and expansion of voting rights leads to the (not really (Elite)) playing lets you and him fight. While we’re busy and disoriented with that they steal our shit and we blame each other ,acting like that cattle HSF wrote about last week.
Q.2 “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler
Written in 1776.
Only 75% hate the Dems???
That right there is the problem.
It ALWAYS comes back to power versus freedom.
If I have the power to live my life, earn money, spend money, get medical care, use my property, raise my children, educate my children, and everything else in life, the way I wish to do these things, it is of little consequence how my neighbor goes about his/her life doing the same. In truth, we find our common ground in our mutual support of our freedom to live our lives as we see fit. The minute the violence, power, and force of government impose upon those things, all to the benefit of my neighbor or others in society (even if that benefit is simply the pleasure they take in controlling my freedom), the hated begins. The more that is impinged upon, the more the hatred grows. It ALL comes back to that and the exercise and growth of government power over freedom. There has never been a time in this country where government power over everyone’s lives has been greater. That might not be the case for specific individuals, but it is (IMO) in an overall sense.
And while there appears to be great partisan animosity, there is great division even within the left/right dichotomy. The support for Trump as an “outsider” shows that to a great degree, as does the regular use of the term RINO. The same extremist versus moderate division is seen on the left.
But fundamentally the conflict that will certainly come, will ultimately have to be waged by those who support freedom against those who do not (on both sides of the aisle). The long love affair between Biden and McConnell will certainly show what the republican “leadership” is truly about should Biden actually steal this election.
It would seem that Stucky’s graph, which shows a decline, since about 2005, in favorable feelings toward one’s own party, corroborates your comment.
Well just look at the rejection of a total party hack/insider like Jeb Bush. I feel like there is a core of the GOP that is finally figuring out why libertarianism (or that direction) is a better way to go, and the rest of the party that simply can’t give up the power and the corruption. And you can’t help but look at the rise of muslims in a party full of women and gays and not figure that this will cause some “discord.”
I guess OHMama, the literary rock star, is over being pissed off. Where is the wordy revolutionary? Has the fame gone to her head? This is a good thread for another serving of her ire. Maybe she took to the streets.
Fire away….downers expected. Badge of honor and all.
BL – that is a serious case of envy you have going right there. Give it a rest why dontcha?
It took balls to slash the Homecoming Queen on her big night, props. And you took some withering fire, even managing to present a half hearted defense. I would have expressed more support but I read the wind and stayed low, it is, after all, the BURNING platform.
Otto- That was a HOMECOMING QUEEN with professional blogger written all over her. Loopey confuses envy for truth.
This is 100% by design – it keeps the vast majority of people on the “my team good, other team bad” plantation and virtually eliminates the possibility that anything will ever be done that actually threatens the power structure that owns the current system.
Q1: Psychiatry and psychiatric analysis. This school of thought has slowly conquered our culture. Western societal norms, religion and values have been slowly codified as characteristics of mental illness. This has replaced religion in most of the circles of higher education and the halls of power. How many people in the US go to confession or simply to a religious figure for help with a personal crisis? Compare it to the number of people in “therapy” “working through some things.” Now look at the the systematic destruction of American culture, the adoption and use of the affix -phobia to anything you might oppose for moral or cultural reasons. If you oppose the homosexual agenda, you are Phobic, Islam and sharia? Phobic. Rampant immigration and the vanishing of White America? You guessed it Phobic. You are literally being called mentally ill. While this is only one of several causes that has gotten us to this point it is one people generally don’t see or understand. The impact that psychiatry and it’s definitions and “treatments” have had on our country over the last century can not be overstated.
Q2: True. It has become a self feeding self growing machine. When Trump won in 2016 the failure of the other side to even give him 5 minutes of breath to attempt to govern made people angry. Now that there is a chance that Biden ends up sworn in he calls for the same unity Trump did in 2016. That makes the same people even angrier. This election cycle doesn’t have a happy ending. Because of the last four years couple with a contested election now, nobody is going to be happy come January 20th. Oh there may be some savage laughter from whichever side comes but on top but there will be no genuine happiness. War and discord are coming no matter what, and that may be by design or it could just be time for it AKA Fourth Turnings are a bitch.
DING! DING! DING! Pogrom nails it! He just forgot to mention commie Frankfort school.
Nah not forgot so much as didn’t bother adding it. Linking to Culture of Critique is also appropriate for people that don’t know the history of psychiatry but google, the SPL, and the ADL have all shit so hard on Kevin MacDonald that anyone who doesn’t know better will wave off reading his material because he has been branded a nazi conspiracy theorist. Never mind that the first two books in the trilogy got rave reviews from Jewish scholars worldwide.
A Democrat finds a lamp with a Genie in it. The Genie explains that the Democrat gets a wish, but whatever he wishes for, his neighbour will get twice as much. Without hesitation the Democrat says ” I want to be beaten half to death”. In the end it all comes down to envy, which is the psychology of Socialism. Feel free to substitute any nationality. The premise stays the same.
Envy and entitlement are the Jachin and Boaz of socialism
Really interesting questions.
Human nature shows that we all want to belong, to a tribe, a cult, a family, or something. For some it’s a football team; for others it’s a political party. Once they grab that concept, they will hold on to that relationship like it’s the Holy Grail. The fervor reaches a pitch where everyone else and anything else is the enemy. Do you know anyone who likes both the Washington Redskins and the Dallas Cowboys? It takes a miracle for anyone to change their belief and faith in these entities.
The funny thing is the power mongers in both main political parties are all buds. There isn’t really a lot of difference at the top. But the people are a different story. We fundamentally view life at polar opposites.
Then we have the mainstream media pouring gasoline on this brush fire. Most people have trouble seeing that both sides use propaganda to push their narrative. Neither side is willing to give an inch. I resent that Trump never really talked about the important stuff like the loss of our freedoms. Not platitudes (he’s good with those), but real honest facts about what the loss of freedom really looks like and how it will play out in the long run. Most people cannot image a future that isn’t exactly like today.
I can’t see how there can be possibly be a good ending to this story. And there’s no escaping it as there is no place to run. I suggest shelter in place with lots of ammo.
>>>I can’t see how there can be possibly be a good ending to this story.
Folks in those stories were holding onto something…
What were they holding onto, Sam?
That there’s some good in the world, and it’s worth fighting for.
Q1 Different visions of the future moving in the exact opposite direction of each other. The first one of independence from government regulations and the other of all my problems can be solved with more government programs.
Q2 Not necessarily. The problem, as in this case, is two radically different visions of what government should be cannot exist in the same space. The answer being segregation or annihilation of one side or the other.
There are many factors that will need to come into play before collapse occurs; partisan animosity is just one factor.
Stucky – Your basic premise is incorrect. As Iska so eloquently put it, leftist hate those on the right and the right dismisses those on the left as being kooks.
It started with the far leftist policies of the democrats. Their universal acceptance of the right to kill a baby at any stage of development, including after birth has driven them nuts. Feminism has created hatred of all things male, thus you get the masculine dem women and the pansy dem men. As St. Ronald told everyone “I did not leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me.”
This much hatred cannot be bottled up forever and at some point, the left will cross the Rubicon and it will be game on. Fourth Turnings, ya know.
I hate both parties of Zionist and Bolshevik tools equally. Americans need a party of our own.
Great! Let’s make it a kegger. We’ll meet at the beer hall and make plans for a glorious 4th reich. Sieg Heil!
I recall after each Thanksgiving lately there are news reports of people killing each other when they get together. I wonder how many it will be this year.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.” Alexander Fraser Tytler.
And that I think is the issue that has now come to the fore. The Dems have discovered this, and they have decided to wield that power. They hate the other side because they are affuent, and that is so unfair, don’t you know. The Repubs are still blithely trying to go about business as usual, ignoring the threat that the voting masses represent.
Welfare and the ability of the masses to vote themselves money out of the pockets of the productive is the core issue. I have believed it for a long time now, and am more convinced of it than ever.
People who like OPM already know that the fix is in regardless of which snake wins. I doubt very much that they even vote. Money is -not- the core issue. Most people on the so called left are probably reasonably educated (tongue bleeding from that statement – public education and all). As are the right. The issue runs a little more ideologically deeper than that. Some of us are so bold as to state that it’s religious.
Interesting comment. Ya, it does get so intense that it is religious.
The dems discovered this in the LBJ administration, or maybe even a tinge with FDR. The “war on poverty” created this bullshit. Any “war on” whatever is a government ruse and doomed to failure.” ILuvCO2 from the road.
Nice to see you did not leave Stucky… we need you here.
How could this article about rabid intrafamilial partisan hatred not have an update on Stucky’s Seeester?
Oh what fun.
Q1. The prelude to Civil War 1 was a clear lack of assimilation by a huge migration of peoples.
Today’s massive immigration with the additional celebration of diversity makes the recipe more volatile than the first go round.
Q2
Ever been divorced? Ever lived with someone sharing an extreme partisan animosity?
I was too wrapped up with stuff yesterday to participate in the discussion.
Not the highest of comment counts but, dahum, what a terrific variety of answers. Much learned. Nice job, folks.
Liberals have the power to fuck over Conservatives coming and going and do it Balls to the Wall with full after-burners; I forgive them per se but pray to live long enough to be around when it goes Hot.