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Looking forward to playing this. Thank you !
Marc,
Have you read this? I recommended it to you once.
The author and I have gone back and forth on e-mail…after I tracked him down after being blow away by it…he sent me two free copies after I told him (about a year or longer ago) I could not find more copies of his book (found one with Yo’s help).
I have given this book to four people who all said they found it Biblically indisputable.
I read it the first time in four or five sittings.
It was blocked and censored for a long time on Amazon.
He had to self-publish it at first…then it started to break out.
The author used a pseudonym.
A scriptural review of Cosmology and Deception unlike anything you’ve ever read. Do you struggle with the complexity of a Most-High Creator, Angels, Demons, Earth and Space? This book will be an eye-opener by enhancing your worldview regarding our true Cosmology and the things that are intentionally hidden from us today.
We will rebuild the Cosmos as described from all Biblical references describing the Creation of the Universe, and reveal a new understanding of how it all comes to an end. A great book for the curious and anyone interested in learning the misunderstood aspects of the Bible and other ancient texts!
I think you can find it in the library in the science fiction section.
Stucky…so you read it?
Or is that just an osmosis opinion?
I did not read it. My opinion is based on what was written about it above …
” …. enhancing your worldview regarding our true Cosmology and the things that are intentionally hidden from us today. We will rebuild the Cosmos as described from all Biblical references “
First, the idea that in cosmology things are “intentionally hidden” is pure bunk …. a marketing gimmick to sell the book.
Second, the idea of a “true Cosmology” implies that there is and has been a false Cosmology …. like, some gigantic conspiracy to hide shit for thousands of years, I summarily reject that.
Third, we know where “all Biblical references” are … mostly in the the first couple chapters of Genesis. “Rebuilding the Cosmos” based on such scant Biblical references must certainly involve a great deal of fancy conjecture.
Lastly, and most importantly …. the Bible is not a Science Book!
The Bible perfectly describes the plane on which we live, I don’t think you need a slide rule to read it and figure it out. Does the Bible describe a spinning ball? NO.
No globe contained within those pages Stucky. Are you challenging the Good Book?
“I did not read it.”
I already knew that when I asked by the rest of your comment.
See my answer to Chip.
https://bulkbookstore.com/confusion-in-the-cosmos-decoding-the-deception-9781543996159-1
bulk bookstore has these for 13.30 each minimum order 25 with 10 bucks off your first order. I found on my search for a pdf of the book. I will have to read. Thanks mark.
A man with a stick proved that the earth is a sphere with a circumference of 40,000 kilometers 2000 years ago….simple math.
The change in the angle of the sun at noon between the city of Alexandria and Sycene was 7 degrees…..the cities are 800KM apart…..simple math says that the circumference of the earth is 40,000 kilometers.
So this is an idiotic discussion unless somebody can disprove the math or do you believe math is raycis?
Here is a 2-minute video to explain it. Drops mic!
Some of the “evidence” given by flat Earthers is not well thought out. For instance the apparent divergence of the Sun’s rays when observed on a partly cloudy day. It does APPEAR as though they are converging not too far above the clouds. We know this is caused by perspective in the same manner as the street lights down a long street APPEAR to converge with distance.
In the same manner, the “evidence” for the Earth being a sphere is often poorly thought out.
If we model Eratosthenes “proof” of the Earth as a sphere using our dining room table we could place a toothpick (a stick) directly under the dining room light. It would cast no shadow as it’s shadow would be in it’s own footprint. Then, if we place another toothpick say two dinner plate diameters away from the first toothpick, we will observe the second toothpick does indeed cast a shadow. Is this to be taken as evidence that the dining room table is a sphere? Eratosthenes thought so. Could we not measure the angular difference of the shadow of the second toothpick relative to the first and using simple ratios determine the circumference of our spherical dining room table? Eratosthenes thought so. If you want to seem smart, quote you an ancient Greek.
Eratosthenes observation, imo, merely showed the shadows of two sticks placed at different locations from the light source will cast unequal length shadows. Drawing inference that the different shadows is an indication, let alone proof, of the topography of the surface the shadows are cast on seems to me to be a poor interpretation of the observation.
I never heard anyone advance this position.
The evidence for flat Earth is compelling to me.
I don’t think the spherical Earth theory is a longstanding grand conspiracy in that it has been unquestionably accepted for a number of centuries. No need to conspire. It has only been since the 1930’s and 1940’s or so, with the Antarctic expeditions of Amundsen and Bird, that TLPTB ran into the firmament and other data such as the distance of the shoreline, calculated to be over seventy-five thousand miles by several early sailing ship captains who circumnavigated the “continent.” This was basically written off as error.
Here’s the conspiracy as I see it: You me and the next guy can believe in a creator God, or disbelieve in a creator, when a vastly immense universe is our model. However, a flat, unmoving Earth, with the Sun, Moon, Planets (wanderers) and fixed stars as described in the Bible is our model, disbelief becomes far more difficult. TLPTB won’t/can’t have it.
Here’s a quickie bit of knowledge for TBPers: A decent gyroscope will PROVE that whatever we are on, sphere or pizza, we ARE NOT spinning in space.
I haven’t posted for a few months, and, as it seems to go with me, I am posting a day or two after an article is topical. Hope somebody reads this because I like this subject even with misinformation and illogical conclusions on both side of the issue.
Holy Mary Mother of God! Someone let out all the nutjobs in the Mental Hospital so they could post here.
Shutting down the loony bin was a deliberate plot against the American people. I leave it to the readers to find out who was behind it. If Langdon or Joyce haven’t written about it yet, I am sure it would be fertile ground for them.
2 kinds of people appear to take flat Earth seriously.
1) Fucking loonies.
2) Agent Provocateurs trying to stir up crazies.
Marc,
Have you read this? I recommended it to you once.
Added to my amazon cart. I will read it. I believe in math and the bible and the more we learn the more the bible is accurate. I believe in science but am a profoundly spiritual person having seen ghosts, sasquatch, spoken to Jesus and he spoke back! So the earth is round but we are also surrounded by forces we can’t understand. Flat earth is so easily proven wrong it is comical. BTW on a related topic…..anybody want to deny we have a small drone flying around Mars?
We do not have a drone flying around on Mars.
Nor a rover.
Hmmm…Some think so due to Confusion in the Cosmos…AKA DECEPTION…have you read it HF?
Plenty of Science in it as well.
LOL and a POS Chicom Long March-5B rocket is not falling on Turkmenistan either! You funny guy! So just for the record, you are saying this is a fake video?
I like this one better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ndHgKUuWQI
I tend to think HSF is correct about there not being rovers and/or drones on Mars. However, I do wonder why they are keeping all this up…
Because they can.
Yes we do.
Stucky, Llpoh and DRUD will have to get their Depends on tonight HSF. 🙂
This doc shows the photo of the stars showing behind/ through the moon, something I posted about 7 or 8 years ago and quickly took a beating as the village crazy. Thanks HF, most excellent. Takes courage to be on the level Marc.
Looks like your instincts for leaving the ancestral homeland were dead on the money. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/mercer/2021/05/nj-town-fires-officer-suspends-another-over-post-calling-black-lives-matter-protestors-terrorists.html%3foutputType=amp
In a country with a rule of law, that officer wins vs the state. Facts are on his side. Too bad we live in a post factual judeo-world.
What would be the purpose of lying about whether the earth was flat or round?
Satanic. We are not God’s special creation. We are just another planet in the void. Anything and everything to plant doubt in people’s minds that God is not real.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/Is%20the%20Kingdom%20of%20Christ%20a%20Tiny%20Speck.pdf
HF is either trolling, or he’s a fucking moran. I hope it’s the former. But, considering a decade of smelling cow farts and pig shit, one can’t be certain.
He ain’t trolling holmes.
I always feel embarrassed for people who misspell “moron”.
New around here?
You must be a noobe maroon, then.
He’s trolling Stucky, He can’t help it, it’s in the name.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/Is%20the%20Kingdom%20of%20Christ%20a%20Tiny%20Speck.pdf
Donkey…motley is right…this explains it…
Satanic inversion. Discrediting movements by associating with them. Stirring up crazy to create chaos. Identifying people that would make good patsies. That is just off the top of my head.
https://worldtruth.tv/best-flat-earth-video-1000-proof-the-earth-is-flat/
Water never curves? Whirlpools are an optical delusion then. What about tides? The Antarctic glaciers stop the tides from pushing all the water over the edge. By the way, where is the crystal dome that allegedly covers this flat earth. Somebody photoshopped it out of the one presented above. And how do the aliens keep all the lava hot if that picture is real? Space is -454 degrees and it would be exposed to that extreme cold if we have to judge by the picture above. DEW’s maybe? And where’s the pillars? I thought the Flat earth was held up by pillars and while we are on the subject, where are the corners?
Vitamin D doesn’t go through glass oops I mean crystal and only redheads produce their own so where do other people get this crucial vitamin. Northern Europeans are the only humans genetically disposed to digest animal milk. That would certainly explain the mad rush towards universal race mixing. Once everyone gets a little white DNA they can kill us off.
In defense of the flat earthers it certainly is more believable than the myth that Sydney Powell is going to return Trump to office any month now.
For every so called biblical study proving flat earth there is a biblical rebuttal.
Gravity
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2016/01/gravity-does-not-exist.html
Hmmm…now here is a reason to open the link….
The link is very childish. The forces causing these things is not negated or diminished by childish explanations. Call it some other name if you wish but the universe does what it does because God told it to and proceeded to set the forces and laws in motion to cause all things to behave in a certain way.
If we use his example of objects falling because they are heavier or denser than the air, what prevents the air from also falling to the surface and piling up instead of decreasing in thickness as altitude increases. What prevents it from floating into outer space? What causes air pressure if not gravity. Name the force that causes these things instead of saying they don’t exist.
Gravity by another name is gravity still the same.
Here are a few of Gods tiniest creations he has put in pace to cause what we choose to call gravity. Note that they move in circles much like their larger cousins called solar systems.
I would have said “retarded” but I had never seen such scientific ignorance as in just the first few sentences.
Water maintains the arc due to rotation of the earth, the radial forces of gravity from the center of the earth, and the magnetic forces exerted by the moon. Professional engineer with BS and MS. Sorry Mark. You’re on the wrong side of the issue on this one… Chip
Chip my friend,
I did not come to this side easily, and to be honest I did not want to be on it…I saw the level and type of attacks against it…and often from people on the same page on everything else. It was a process not an event…and took years of investigation…similar to the process of finding the truth about the Kennedy Hit, The Tonkin Gulf lie, the 911 inside job, Chemtrailing, DEW weapon attacks on people in their homes at night, fake Plandemics/poison vaccines, and 5G, to just name a few of the interconnected lies, FFs, and international coordinated attacks on the masses by you know who.
The book ‘Confusion in the Cosmos’…that comes at it both from the Bible (I had no idea how clear and massive that would be) and the Science put me over the top…forcing me to face the NASA lies…and the level of brainwashing TLPTB (L=Luciferian) have put into it.
I challenge any one to read ‘Confusion in the Cosmos’ and reach out to the author…he will respond…he did to me. His story of the fight it took to get it published is interesting.
I have a Christian friend who refuses to read it…but believes everything else I wrote about above…he said it’s too much for him…if he came to believe it he would be worried about the attacks he would get from others…me….phtttttt on that. He said he doesn’t want to really know.
Here are some of the reviews of the book…I’m starting my third read:
5.0 out of 5 stars I could not put this book down – deep into my second reading
Reviewed in the United States on June 19, 2020
Verified Purchase
I have agreed with most of the author’s findings in this book, but how he interconnected the scripture and exposes those who lie, and deceive on a scale that most are blind to, and why they do both sealed the deal for me on creation…and so much more.
It is a well written page turner and will open many eyes to the truth many others do not want you to read or understand.
5.0 out of 5 stars Truth!
Reviewed in the United States on August 1, 2020
Verified Purchase
God’s design has been twisted into an unfathomable lie and conspiracy. What the entire world knew for thousands of years has been rejected by modern globalists and replaced by a science fiction view of the cosmos over the last 300 years. If you believe in God’s Word, and the irrefutable facts that surround you, this book will open your eyes like no other!
5.0 out of 5 stars Top book! The type of book that does a dent!
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on April 29, 2020
Verified Purchase
This is one one of those books that only comes around now and then. A top read! One of the best books I’ve ever read. There are those in this world who are awake and those who are fast asleep. to the latter some will not want to be woken up no matter what truths they are presented with. For the former it will awaken you further. This book has a lot of the answers for those who know there is something very wrong in this world but can’t quite put their finger on it. Buy this book and you will realise the truths in it. Read the book and you will real-eyes know the truth.
Miguel, thank you for this book it was a pleasure reading it
Tony Smith
5.0 out of 5 stars MIND BLOWING REVELATIONS!
Reviewed in the United States on October 28, 2020
This book was suggested by Steve w/ THINK ABOUT IT, a Christian YouTuber who speaks candidly about God’s word, current events in the world and conspiracies. I was already in agreement with what he revealed thru scripture with regard to our world, but was very curious what I might find in this book. I am not exaggerating when I say, it is a GOLD MINE of information! From our origins to origins of all of the customs and practices the people of the world participate in today. I was already a believer, and I don’t want to spoil this book for those who want that same surprise, but the last couple of chapters revealed something to me that I never caught in scripture before. That little “surprise” revelation is big enough to turn an ashiest into a believer, and it has in my family! I should also note, on page 374 I found myself confused about a statement the author made. He did provide his email address in the book for people with questions. I reached out to him to thank him for this wonderful work for God’s glory as well as ask for some clarification to my question. I was not certain he would respond, but he did within 48 hours and was able to perfectly clear up my confusion!
This book should be MANDATORY reading for everyone, although it is so mind/life altering, I wouldn’t be shocked if it were banned! READ THIS BOOK BEFORE IT GOES OUT OF STOCK AGAIN!
Love ya Mark. One resource cannot overcome my knowledge and experience with true science. I agree we’ve been lied to about almost everything. I don’t believe our government. Everything has been compromised.
I’m also an experienced surveyor. For longer distance surveys we have to factor in the curvature of the earth or we can have unacceptable errors on our elevations. Over a small construction site these differences are within the margin of error. Over longer, more “flat” sensitive projects, adjustments are made for the curvature of the earth. Sorry Mark. You need to do some more research.
The earth is in fact not even a perfect sphere. It’s more of an ellipsoid which brings in other more technical complications. Study GPS. It doesn’t work without orbital satellites. I had to deal with it all the time as we used the technology for determining ship channel depths with changing tides in our hydrographic surveys. Here’s a quick explanation… Chip
https://www.unavco.org/education/resources/tutorials-and-handouts/tutorials/elevation-and-geoid.html
Thanks Chip!
I upvoted you for your debate attitude!
I’ll look into it.
Hmmm…Link sponsored by…consider the source…
https://www.unavco.org/wordpress/wp-content/themes/unavco/resources/assets/images/header/NASA-Logo.svg
It is only centripetal force and gravity.
I was driving to work the other day and saw something that got the gears working early.
Up in the sky to my right, but still pretty high in the sky was the moon…or I should say a half moon because of the cycle. However the sun was also up and a good distance above the horizon to my left.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around how the sun can be shining directly on the earth and moon but half of the moon’s side that is facing the sun is dark?
Any explanations?… still working on it myself……….
You can find a simple explanation here:
They have lied to us about:
1. Our history
2. Our wars
3. Our money
4. Our debt
5. Our elections
6. Our Government
7. Our Assassinations
8. Our Towers being dustified
9. Our mass shootings
10. All our constant False Flags
11. Our News
12. Our pandemics
13. Our vaccines
But they are telling us the truth about the Space Program and the shape of the earth
Everything of any consequence is DECEPTION…but that is the truth…from NASA no less…
Listen to this bullshit…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjt7HpC6w3o
The shape of the Earth doesn’t depend upon whether we went to the moon or not.
Iska,
I agree buddy…but TLPTB (L=Luciferian) have lied and deceived us about everything else of importance since the *Pilgrim Society and I think they are lying about the shape of the earth as well.
There are lots of super smart (smarter than me) rock solid, good people on both sides of this issue, and there are strong points on both sides, but the masses (not most of the critical thinkers here) fed the government TLPTB (L=Luciferian) NASA lines will never question any of the mountain of evidence against the mountain of lies their lives have been built on…and their coming serfdom, slavery, and mass murders.
I completely understand why many here refuse to believe Flat Earth…I didn’t for a long time either.
When I saw this HF vid I jumped right in with the ‘Confusion in the Cosmos’ recommendation because I found it so persuasive from the Biblical and scientific sides…I was hoping all the sharp TBP knives would come out on both sides…and I was not disappointed. HF knows how to stir the pot as well as anyone on the platform on fire.
I have learned a lot on this thread pro and con from both sides.
The insults are like water off Alfred E. Newduck’s back to me. Funny, but they mostly seem to flow one way on this issue…kinda like 911 Inside Job Truthers the first few years…who long have been vindicated.
*I’m a big Paul Williams supporter and read all his books…this is worth the time.
Anyway, I’m heading out on a hike today…can’t go too far though…don’t want to fall off the edge!
My parting points:
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
And now you can’t even tell the difference. It worked.
That was debunked a long time ago.
BL,
Put it up.
Those Nikons are fucken amazing!
This is the best video in terms of answering GNL’s question … what do they have to gain by lying. A nice overview of the philosophy of flat earth bullshit.
Anyone that has been to the top of a high rise on the beach can confirm the oceans are not flat. Line up a balcony railing with the water on the horizon. You will clearly see the arc’d surface of the earth even from just ten or twelve stories up. I live on the coast and observe this regularly. I can’t believe that this is actually a topic of discussion on TBP… Chip
A photograph would be an excellent piece of evidence to present right now.
We’ll check back this afternoon since you live on the coast and have access to this view.
Yeah you can’t get a wide enough view through a camera lens to see it. It would require a panorama which naturally distorts the image. Repeating what I told Mark above, you too HSF, are on the wrong side of this discussion….
I’m also an experienced surveyor. For longer distance surveys we have to factor in the curvature of the earth or we can have unacceptable errors on our elevations. Over a small construction site these differences are within the margin of error. Over longer, more “flat” sensitive projects, adjustments are made for the curvature of the earth. Sorry Mark. You need to do some more research.
The earth is in fact not even a perfect sphere. It’s more of an ellipsoid which brings in other more technical complications. Study GPS. It doesn’t work without orbital satellites. I had to deal with it all the time as we used the technology for determining ship channel depths with changing tides in our hydrographic surveys. This is REAL science. Not conjecture or fake theories… Chip
“Yeah you can’t get a wide enough view through a camera lens to see it.”
You just said-
“Line up a balcony railing with the water on the horizon. You will clearly see the arc’d surface of the earth even from just ten or twelve stories up…”
Chip,
I have no problem disagreeing with you on this one…and appreciate your debate point that I have jotted down (although the NASA link is from one of the usual suspects) as super rare as disagreeing with you has been over the years…matter of fact this may even be the first time my friend???
So for me I have looked at evidence on this and always come away with one thing that I am absolutely sure about and that is other then the fact that we have been lied to, I can’t be absolutely sure of anything at all. That being said here is a series of articles about engineers and flat earth that involves canals. Now I am not an engineer and at a glance this looks legit. How would you counter it?
I generally enjoy your posts. But, you are asking us to refute some supposed proof about a flat earth — because, canals LOL — from an organization called Christian FLAT EARTH Ministry??? Oh yeah, no biases there! /s
What the hell are you thinking?
Here is a panorama of many images stitched together from V2 rockets from flights in 1948. Refute that!
Let’s here from the Flatters! There were no V2 rockets. There were V2 rockets but they had no cameras, or couldn’t fly high enough. That was filmed in Arizona. It was a Hitler psych op to fool Russians. C’mon you Flatters!! Let’s see what bullshit you can come up with this time.
To answer your question …
That Suez Canal canard is just a slightly different version of an experiment done in 1838, by some yokel hoping to prove a flat earth, called The Bedford Level experiment … which was debunked by 1870.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
If you don’t like Wiki, go here …
https://theconversation.com/you-dont-need-to-build-a-rocket-to-prove-the-earth-isnt-flat-heres-the-simple-science-88106
So Stucky what I was thinking is that a rational person with an open mind entertains the ideas or participates in the topic of conversation brought to the table by those he associates with, be they friends, family or even people named Stucky. In this case HSF one of the most talented writers I have been privileged enough to read brought a video on a subject that I find interesting.
What I was also thinking was damn, brave man to broach this subject here. It is likely some assclowns will attack him personally rather then bother looking at the very compelling questions the subject brings.
So i thought I would comment with some of the questions that are difficult to just shrug off. For my trouble I have been branded by one such assclown already even though I professed only an interest. Thus are witch hunts… or dare I say Pogroms started.
My question btw was for Chip because he is a surveyor and a math guy. Your response didn’t address my question at all, I would elaborate why but if you had bothered to read the actual article instead of claiming it must be shit because of what site it was on you would already know. Just as if you had watched any of the content posted by the people participating in the discussion you would know not only do proponents of flat earth acknowledge the V2 rocket launches they actually cite one and use it to offer proofs as shown in one of the videos Mark posted along with the math accounting for curvature and what should and should not be visible at a specific distance. Instead you google a slew of videos in response and the hilarious part is they are the same videos shown in thumbnails in the first six minutes of the documentary as the results that people who are not trying will find consume and believe without a moment of critical thought for the actual questions.
Last of all what I was thinking was Man I bet Stucky is gonna say something shitty to someone, I mean its just not TBP comments section if Stucky doesn’t stick his dick in the mashed potatoes and scream MORAN!
So, according to you, having an open mind means entertaining ANY ideas. Yes, that is what you are saying.
Hey, I now believe in polygamy and having concubines. It’s in the Bible! It occurred to me that, ummm, I ‘d like to fuck your wife. Will you have an open mind about that?
Last night I, like Paul, was caught up in the third heaven. And there I met Odin. He showed me around heaven, we had a few beers, and boinked a few maidens. This is really really the truth. Will you have an open mind about that?
Having an open mind does not mean I have to allow entrance to ANY piece-of-shit idea that comes along …. such as boinking your wife, Odin, or a Flat Earth.
Moran!!
Hey that aspersion on Odin was uncalled for….
funny though and had to upvote….
Stucky you are doing it all wrong and falling into their trap.
The Flatters are the ones that are supposed to prove everything.
I’d start with this.
To da flat earfers…
Using mathematics calculate…
how far is the moon from earth?
how big is it?
how does it stay up in the sky?
what is the source of energy that moves it?
Show work!
It’s already been done to no effect They simply double down on double talk.
“You are the one challenging conventional, accepted science so it is you who the burden of proof falls on. You must convince us that we are wrong. Everyone on this site is here because they know we are being lied to about life and death matters yet you present yourself as the only maverick in the corral and the only one ever harmed and scarred by willful misinformation. Before you became a farmer you stood in front of a large audience and persuaded them to agree with you and are now applying that craft here while claiming to want to stimulate intelligent discussion.
4-3ReplyMay 8, 2021 8:06 pm”
Can some one tell me what is going on for a non-jewtuber?
Why? Because CGI is just a cartoon…….
Well, I may not know what is going on here, but I sure as shit know who is NOT to ever be believed again.
Why then can’t I get FM radio from 100 miles away yet I can listen to short wave from thousands of miles away? Is FM radio a lie too? Also how on earth do GPS/GLONASS satellites defy gravity since there would be nothing to orbit? Also someone better tell Ray Jason don’t want him falling off the edge now do we!
Stratollites.
Short wave only requires an ionosphere to bounce off, not a particular shape of the surface below.
What do space balloons have to do with FM signals having a -100 mile reception?
Separate examples. FM/shortwave to illustrate the horizon is finite (no mountains for 1000 miles here) therefor something must be blocking LoS to the transmitter. something like a curved earth. Satellites both natural and man made require huge speed to achieve an orbital trajectory and fall over the horizon. GPS reference was to show space travel is not all fake. Having a flat earth would require a re write of nearly all physics. Also what would lay at the edge of a flat earth? One day if I can ever afford it I will book a trip to Antarctica and prove you all wrong or run in to a giant wall guarded by the CIA and promptly apologize
I was agreeing with you Aussie. It was directed to HSF and Stratollites. There are two kinds of them. Red flashing lights used by road crews and high altitude weather balloons. Neither of which is connected to FM.
“One day if I can ever afford it I will book a trip to Antarctica and prove you all wrong…”
“Parties to the Antarctic Treaty have agreed to restrict human access to 16 areas of special scientific or environmental value in Antarctica.”
https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/avc/trty/193967.htm
True. You can’t just go there without special permission.
Yea…but you have to know the secret handshake…and like pizza…
There really isn’t a lot that is intuitive in physics. So you can tell who hasn’t studied it.
Good points. Why does the Southern hemisphere need it’s own communications satellites as well. Why can’t Polaris be seen in Tierra del Fuego and the Southern Cross cannot be seen in the far north.
I guess they also faked the Space Shuttle disasters. That one is at least believable after Sandy Hook.
All had twins?
Guess you haven’t seen that they have found them alive.
Hey, Aussie! Here’s all the proof you need!
I’ve always been fond of the flat earth crowd because they bring up a bunch of valid questions. After this past year should we really always trust the “science” after they put us all under house arrest? We so easily forget spherical earth and germ theory are new ideas in the scope of human history. It’s very telling these “scientists” freak out when questioned and try to shame curiosity. The scientific community is filled with too many know-it-alls and not enough people who admit they don’t know the answer to everything.
Spherical earth is only a new theory in revisionist history taught in modern colleges and seminaries.
We weren’t trusting the science this past year. The country was trusting Washington D.C. and conservatives were trusting Big Orange and Q. Many of us posted the real science before the scam hit Seattle.
The Phoenicians promoted Flat Earth and for good reason. Some resort to shaming perhaps due to the flat earthers refusal to look at contrary evidence.
“Some resort to shaming perhaps due to the flat earthers refusal to look at contrary evidence.”
You’re joking, right? All of us have spent an entire lifetime of being fed only one kind of evidence. It’s the only kind we’ve ever been allowed to discuss. Just like Martin Luther finally deciding that it’s time to figure things out without the intervention of authorities, people have come to the conclusion that now might be a good time to look at the evidence of their own senses and trust some of their own instincts.
The entire system is corrupted, there is nothing that ought to be trusted no matter how much you may believe in it . And like the divisions between those who believe in God or don’t, you’ll just have to resign yourself to the fact that some people think quite differently. You want to try and shame people back to your side, have at it, seems to be one of the most popular tactics of The Collective these days.
Just more obfuscation. You’re asking us to accept Voodoo as legitimate science. Just a different version of demanding a person is whatever sex they say they are. I’m gone. Stucky and Aussie can continue if they wish.
With this post I am done as well.
Every single valid item that is offered to these Flat Earthers is met with further obfuscation.
For example, that video of the U2 pilot flying at 70,000 feet clearly showing the Earth’s curvature. Well guess what! That’s invalid because …. because …. the glass is curved!
Bullshit piled on bullshit piled on bullshit. It is no use arguing with morans.
Just curious … where the fuck have Llpoh and Drud been hiding??
I’m outta here. Aussie is on his own.
Is the glass not curved? It appears to be in the video.
Did you take it into account? You don’t appear to have done so.
This is part of the problem. You selectively avoid the things that call your belief into question. Show me that the curvature of the glass has zero effect on what we observe through it. I don’t know a lot about cockpits, but I do know enough about eyeglasses, for example, to understand that the way they are ground into convex surfaces alters the perception of the viewer.
But not in this case?
The above poster had the right of it. None of our more recent scientific achievements would be possible without all of the physics being in agreement. Just because you didn’t waste years of your life studying physics doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Were physics involved in any of the Colonial Pipeline decisions? My guess is yes.
See how that worked out.
Physics is a means of understanding the physical world, isn’t it, by definition? A lot of people use the word as if it were the writ of God- and it just might be. But humans are fallible, even physicists. The fact that we live right now does not mean that we have answered every question correctly or that we have even applied the science in a manner that leads to the correct conclusions.
And we still return, like a dog to his vomit, back to the basic premise of corruption and perfidy as aspects of human nature. If it’s all true- and the physics proves it- why create deliberate falsehoods and fakery in order to prove to people something that is true?
It defies logic.
On that we agree at least.
So solly … that’s complete bullshit. A spherical earth has been postulated for thousands of years dating back to the ancient Greeks.
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“Pythagoras first proposed that the Earth was round sometime around 500 B.C. He based his idea on the fact that he showed the Moon must be round by observing the shape of the terminator (the line between the part of the Moon in light and the part of the Moon in the dark) as it moved through its orbital cycle.
Anaxagoras determined the true cause of solar and lunar eclipses – and then the shape of the Earth’s shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse was also used as evidence that the Earth was round.
Aristotle declared that the Earth was a sphere (based on observations he made about which constellations you could see in the sky as you travelled further and further away from the equator).”
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question54.html
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But … thanks for playing.
I’m aware of the history. It easy to look it up on Wikipedia. What you’re negating is the fact many have still been saying the Earth is flat for most of human history. The Greeks were a minority in their spherical Earth theory.
Go back to waiting tables. You’re an idiot.
Exactly… you didn’t watch the video at all. Revealing yourself to be a stubborn ass blinded by your own confirmation bias… again and again and again.
NASA lies, space is fake, GOD is real, once you go flat you don’t go back.
Ha!
2 out of 3 ain’t bad (you missed B).
When I studied, in a side course in physics the professor declared: If you can prove -on your own and on the ground, so no spaceships etc. used- that the earth is round, you are very intelligent. If you can prove the moon rotates around the earth, you are extremely intelligent. If you can prove on your own that the earth rotates around the sun, you are Nobel-prize worthy material.
Well I never tried hard on any of those myself, but I did once read an explanation how to prove that the earth is round:
Stand on the bottom of a deeper well (everybody can dig a straight well, using a plumb line)
on the longest day of the year, so summer Solstice (still not too hard to determine yourself by daily observance, if you have enough clear days in that location)
and note how much off the sunlight is from shining onto the entire floor of the well. Also mark it and check if in later years the exact same position is reached (so things repeat, and ‘longest day’ has relevance.)
Now if living way up in the Northern Hemisphere, another year later be at some location quite a bit more south and repeat the experiment in a well as deep and wide (or adjust your measurement using Thales’s theorem.)
You will find the sunlight in the more southern well (=closer to the equator) reaches closer to the floor, or even covers more floor, than in the other well.
At least under the premise that a flat earth theory would also speak for a flat sun assumption (so no wildly shaped sun), there is no explanation – except one drops the flat earth theory and uses an at least least convex earth surface, if not a fully round earth. Many more observations made on Solstice in wells around the world will show it’s clearly a round earth we’re living on.
m- Might I suggest that you study the true meaning of the yin/yang symbol. Also, just for bonus points, Earth has more than one light source for daylight than the sun.
Ever been in a jet at above 33 thousand feet, it is difficult not to see the round.
Airplanes are one of the biggest flat earth proofs. Do your home work. It’s also in the video.
Been on hundreds of flights, never observed any type of curve.
“You should be able to detect it [curvature of earth] from an aeroplane at a cruising height of around 10,600 metres (35,000 feet), but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon.”
Did you even watch HSF’s video or are you (like usual) just finding any reason to argue with people?
I watched it… I think there are valid points.
The Last Man on the Moon post is about Apollo 17. The images from that mission are probably some of the most telling of all regarding astronauts flying around on hidden wires.
Another mystery about the whole “man on the moon” legend is the final flight of L. Gordon Cooper, the last one to fly solo in orbit in May 1963. He supposedly took more than 5000 photos from orbit.
So, they were classified because he was really trying to spy on the Soviets, of course, but surely not ALL of them were of enemy warships, submarines or military bases, right? Aren’t there any good pictures of a couple of continents bent around a big ball of water?
Supposedly, this is one of his photos of the Phillipines.
Can anyone calculate how high he might be over the Phillipines?
The whole malfunction scenario played out on this trip too… it must have given them the idea for Apollo 13!
I follow a lot of space accounts on Twitter and I don’t really have a reason to doubt the Earth being round or astronauts going to space. Curved lenses, curved windows, and CGI isn’t a convincing enough argument for me to believe the Earth is flat.
But I also don’t believe we went to the moon and I heavily question everything NASA has done since it’s founding and Operation Paperclip. Why did the US government elevate Nazi scientists to high security clearance positions in our government to work on secret projects instead of Americans? That makes no sense.
“Why did the US government elevate Nazi scientists to high security clearance positions in our government to work on secret projects instead of Americans? That makes no sense”
Because the ‘nazi’ scientists were more advanced due to having a worldview more in line with the real world. The reverse side was jews in the atomic program who were doing voodoo shit essentially. They had no idea what was going on.
inb4 muh st. einstein
Stephanie I am not against serious inquiry and am undecided on the moon landing because it smacks of typical sloppy government coverups. The flat earther attempt at lumping that in as legitimate evidence of a worldwide cover up to keep a flat earth a big secret is too clever by half.
911 and covid/vaxx conspiracies being done worldwide are typically full of blunders and coverups that are easily exposed.
There has been no such attempt to hide a flat earth from the world populace. There are no huge data erasures or innumerable and dubious suicides involving those inquiring into it. Barring the burning of the library at Alexandria there haven’t been mass alterings or destruction of evidence either for or against flat earth.
Compare that to any attempts to audit or expose the Central banks as the source of most of today’s misery. Entire countries have been wiped out over that one.
The thing I actually like about the flat earthers is they’re curious and ask questions. I’m sure some of them do have an agenda, but for some people this is the first time they’re actually learning about sciences outside of school. I’m all in favor of people asking questions and learning. Even if I don’t agree with their conclusions. This is why I say they bring up valid questions. Asking good questions is the Socratic Method of learning and some people were never taught it in school.
Stephanie…I don’t have a position on this as I haven’t done the research, but you are spot on here. People can’t question anything beyond what they were taught in school. I think the Socratic Method is one of the highest forms of learning. It’s a shame we have a nation full of people who were not taught this way. It really upsets people when you ask too many questions that go beyond their comfort level of what they were previously told.
The really sad part is how viciously people will attack anyone asking these particular questions. There doesn’t need to be a vast worldwide cover up when the majority of the population will attack anyone who asks questions about it. I think that reaction is a deep need to protect one’s own paradigm. Nobody wants something so fundamental to there beliefs to have been a lie.
1,000+
Know many.
We, all of us, are lied to and bullshitted by every organization — educational, political, business, church, etc. — known to man.
So, when these Flat Earth nutjobs come here and further lie and bullshit us … well, it’s just a tad bit fucking irritating.
They deserve every bit of derision heaped upon them.
I really have no idea the exact shape of this world. My problem is TPTB selling space exploration and space colonization when they openly admit they have forgotten how to travel a relatively short distance to the moon.
IMO opinion, NASA never got farther than low orbit which is the major reason why all we get is CGI from those magicians.
More important to me is that people are far too willing to believe without question anything the government and government agencies spew out over the airwaves. How at this juncture in history do people believe anything that government /NASA peddle as fact? Do you actually believe Elon Musk is working on going to Mars for colonization and that he will rule over that planet? That is such bad theater it stinks but if a special effects/CGI video were presented to the world on tv, it would be accepted as fact because the bobble heads on the MSM said it really happened. Humanity has to get past this sucker stage of technology and learn to think for ourselves.
two-year-olds ask a lot of questions too!
Sounds about right, because I definitely don’t see it all the time from my home in the sky.
Video by Airman 1st Class Andrew Buchanan 9th Reconnaissance Wing U-2 Cockpit POV at 70,000 feet.
BUT … there probably is no such thing as a U-2 airplane, Airman 1st Class Andrew Buchanan is a paid actor, and all this was filmed with a green screen background … possibly in a remote Arizona desert location. Right, HF??
I hereby relinquish my King Shitflinger crown to YOU. You really are quite the bullshitter.
We need to find the leader of the flat earthers and send him up on a Soyuz
That would be Hardscrabble Farmer …. at least here on TBP.
To the moon, Farmer!!!
I can confirm there are U-2’s. I designed facilities for them in the middle east. Also got to sit in with a spotter in a supped up tee top camero speeding down the runway with a pilot talking the U2 pilot down with the U2 flying directly over and then slightly in front of us. The pilots cannot see the runway flaring for landing and get talked down from the ground in a “chase” car on the runway. That was a cool experience… Chip
Press play again.
Look at the pilot in the cockpit and observe the windows. Are they curved? They appear to be. Does a curved piece of glass- or whatever material it is made of- have any effect whatsoever on the things you may see looking through it? Did you factor that in before you accused me of bullshitting? My guess is that you probably didn’t even notice it. I don’t a ton about optics, but I do know that what you see looking through something that is distorted often distorts what you see.
Sabe’?
Hopefully someone with advanced knowledge of optics will weigh in, that’s the whole point of open inquiry. Maybe we’ll both learn something.
I thought you were an expert on optics..
At about the 4:30 mark in the video he moves his the camera back and around enough th see the curvature changes as he moves. To my not in the cockpit eyes and an absolutely open mind (I have no dog in this fight because it makes ZERO difference to me if I am fighting against tyrannical Berg on a ball or a plane) that type of change is indicative of either the curve of the cockpit window or a fisheye style lens on the camera.
I will be honest and tell you that on the couple hundred or so flights I had on an E-3 and looked out either pilot’s windows (please don’t start) I never really saw curvature, EXCEPT when when flew above 50K feet one time on a deadhead home flight from Iceland and did a beeline which took us over Greenland then Newfoundland and then a refueling over Loring, Maine followed by a straight shot to Tinker AFB in Oklahoma. Instead of the usual 12 -14 hours, it took only a little over 9.
It could have been my imagination, but when I wandered onto the flight deck during that trip, I saw a lot of ice that curved downward and not up. But, there is also a lot of weird cloud cover at that level, so my perspective was untrained. When you are looking at stuff you’ve never seen before, your mind tells you what you think it should be.
Keep in mind spherical geometry works but doesn’t mean it explains space, planets, etc. it’s like computer models and statistics. Also it’s interesting how the calculations always involve 666…just like using a compass with an added G. So nice and tidy.
Flat earth is a beginning explanation but it seems obvious it’s more complicated, too. Another thing that’s been hidden is that electromagnetism seems to rule and they’re using it. For instance the so called VanAllen belts (which was stated we can’t get past now, but could in the 60’s) are actually toroidal.
Now, even more unbelievable to me than flat earth is the knowledge that this secret cabal has been lying and undermining since the garden, but definitely since Babylon. The evidence is now irrefutable, it really always has been. I think we Americans have been the only generation that lost track of it.
I am realizing I guess I thought that part of the Bible was in the future, etc. it is the real conspiracy.
For the record I have absolutely no idea what configuration the Earth takes, I just know- based on empirical evidence- that the explanations of those in positions of authority are rife with deception, misdirection, manipulations, and falsehoods. If what you are trying to convey is based on scientific evidence that is irrefutable, how would the perpetuation of blatant fraud advance your position? Why lie when you have the truth?
That is the starting point for this line of inquiry.
That’s where Christians have the big questions answered already, and as I stated I just couldn’t see it was happening right now- the big conspiracy. It’s the oldest story. Underneath everything is the spiritual war (or dimensional, etc. call what you like). Good and evil. Truth and lies. Hidden/dark and open/light.
Since I’ve grasped the fact we’ve been lied to about earth, I’ve been trying to study beyond and what I find (not much) is pretty complicated, at least to me. I just think it’s fun and interesting don’t need to keep trying to convince people who can’t grasp that the equation we learned in school for earth curvature doesn’t work, just like. 99.8% survival rate doesn’t make a pandemic. The earth topic seems to hit something visceral though doesn’t it.
HSF, what was the point of posting this video? Asking for a friend… Chip
I would imagine to spur intellectual debate. His efforts were accomplished … partially.
One does not address a subject repeatedly, search endlessly UNLESS you have the desire to know the truth. Many of us just seek the truth, most don’t want the discomfort of the truth and demand we be silenced. I don’t understand the fear of exposing the lies, I relish it. Some have courage while some are timid and hide under the covers trembling……you know who you are.
Good one BL!
I second that motion!
For me when the wife and I first started looking at flat earth the thing that truly struck me was that if it turned out that there is a whole other place out beyond an Ice wall… If we had been lied to about the fundamental structure of our world, well then there is still some undiscovered places left to find, some adventure left to be had in an otherwise depressingly dystopian world. I think that inoculated me against that knee jerk paradigm protecting aggression exhibited by so many on this subject *stares at Stucky* and lets me actually look at evidence of both sides of the question without the need to attack the person presenting said evidence.
I grew up in a very different America than the one we now inhabit. Part of that experience was a steadfast and deeply held loyalty to the nation of my birth and the precepts and values I was inculcated with by my family, neighbors, community, Church and schools.
It was not until I became an adult that I began to notice the duplicity and hypocrisy entrenched in virtually every aspect of the State and it’s behemoth bureaucracy. If my values are oriented towards truth and honor, why would I continue to place that trust in institutions and narratives that represented the polar opposite?
And so I began, over a period of decades, to question the foundational beliefs I held and to look into things that were presented as factual as if they were instead, part of a plan to conceal and dissemble. I can’t think of many areas where my previously held beliefs were in fact based on empirical truths, but rather on complex and often poorly constructed falsehoods.
This particular line of inquiry came after I noticed that the accepted beliefs ran counter to not only my senses, but logic, reason and rational thought.
And much like Martin Luther did, the only way to call into question someone or something that is so vast and entrenched is to sometimes just ask the obvious questions that most people never dared to.
My life was turned into one of an internal dissident. I asked questions and raised points that so offended those in positions of power that every word out of my mouth, every good and decent act in my life were erased and replaced with a single definition that I never once applied to myself which made it impossible- no matter what I did afterwards- to once again be considered worthy of any kind of place in mainstream society. And while that has been difficult for not only myself but my family, it has also given me an opportunity to go as far as I desired in the opposite direction and my life is immeasurably better for it. So I raise these questions so that others don’t have to. I don’t mind the ridicule or marginalization, in fact, I’ve come to embrace it.
As I have said about this particular topic, I have no idea what the size and shape of our planet may or may not be, but I do not trust anything that comes from agencies like NASA or the scientific establishment, nor should anyone else. Our entire purpose in life is not to bow down and accept the dictates of the powerful simply because they wield the bigger stick, but to satisfy ourselves with our own independent lines of inquiry wherever they may take us.
Believe or don’t believe, that is your option. But to never ask questions because they may seem too ridiculous of fly in the face of currently promulgated dogma is a waste of the gifts we have been given by our Creator.
You don’t trust anything that comes from the scientific establishment? So, they lie about everything? What about electricity, for example … they are lying about that also?
In your world, who is the final authority regarding the truth of a scientific matter? Well, according to you, that would be you. And you think this is a sign of wisdom.! Unbelievable.
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Riiight. There are only two valid authorities in the entire world; each individual and you. Unbelievable.
It amazes me that we speak the same language and yet cannot seem to come to an understanding.
A liar can and often does speak truthfully- I assume that much of what NASA and the institutions of higher learning promote and study are facts and observable data. The Catholic Church in the times of Martin Luther was not always wrong, in fact they may have even been mostly correct, but that isn’t my point at all.
I do not trust them, that is a very different matter.
Trust and knowledge are not the same thing. One is personal- you can only know what you know, not have it delivered by another with full faith that their conclusions are correct.
I’m very curious why you think all of their falsified data and computer generated imagery passed off as if they were actual facts are necessary if everything that they contend is factual. Why would you compromise your reputation by creating phony sets and greenscreen imagery if you have the real thing at your fingertips? And if they are comfortable with some degree of duplicity, how could you possible hope to know where it ends?
The most interesting part of the video was the astronauts who went to the moon weren’t excited to discuss it. They looked like they returned from a funeral. I don’t believe in flat Earth, but I do believe NASA and the government has been lying to us about the space program. Either we never went to the moon (plasma theory) or they don’t want to discuss what they found on the moon.
I’ve gone through the almost exact same journey you are describing. Only I’m an engineer. Do you trust that 2+2=4? I do. I trust the math. The math and programming I use in surveying to adjust for the curvature of the earth works. To me it is no different than the simple addition of two numbers… Chip
See Math is one of the few things that is hard and fast on the flat earth or a vastly larger earth then we have been taught. There are endless examples of things visible beyond where the math for curvature says they should be hidden.
How Auntie Kriest sees the world ….
CHECKMATE, FLAT EARTHERS!!
It’s obvious you didn’t watch the video HSF posted and you sound like an idiot. Most of the comments on this post are about the information in the entire documentary because it covers a bunch of different theories about the space program (not just flat Earth). You’d know that if you actually watched it instead of being a complete ass for no reason.
It’s obvious Stucky is being humorous… Chip
Actually, it is you and the rest of the flat earthers who are the asshats….the idea is so absurd that it deserves nothing but derision and mocking. There is irrefutable evidence that the earth (and all celestial bodies due to gravity) are spheres and orbit a star (again due to gravity)….unlike climate change, this is settled science….sort of like humans breathe because we need to refresh the oxygen in our blood…..So of course Stucky didn’t watch the idiotic film put up by HSF because it is 100% BS…..and you and HSF should be embarrassed to even waste our time here with this drivel.
I used to belong to the Charles Martel Society, big fan.
That being said if you chose to spend any time on this topic that you couldn’t afford, that’s on you.
(I don’t believe in gravity either)
I appreciate that and yes I am in the HSF Fanclub as well and always will be as the vast majority of your writing is outstanding and speaks to my soul. So it is with disappointment that we diverge on this. I expect better out of you and SS, for who I also have great appreciation. I will read the rest of the thread but probably not comment as there does not seem to be an openness to persuasion on this issue.
It seems odd to me that you and quite a few others are questioning basic science…eg. gravity, the shape of the earth, basic cosmology etc. If it is religiously based OK, faith is not a worthy topic of debate, one believes what one believes.
If it is in sheer anger and distrust of the American elites and any utterance they make, well I am in but all this stuff was proven long before 1776 when Newton published on the law of gravity in the 1680s.
https://www.britannica.com/science/gravity-physics/Interaction-between-celestial-bodies
You are under the false impression that I am closed to any evidence you may present, I’m very open to it. What I will not consider is fruit from the poisoned tree. If any of the data or explanations come from any agency or institution with a record for deception then it would be irresponsible to even consider it- even if there may be truth to it.
I hope this helps.
P.S. I don’t accept the theory of gravity as a fact. There are far too many problems with it for me to continue to believe the theory despite it’s age and provenance. Once these can be addressed adequately I’m happy to come back to the Science! plantation, but until then I’ll just keep on with the old school observational science.
Ya got that Martel?? You may NOT submit evidence unless the source is approved by Herr Gestapo Farmer!
Yeah, baby, fuck you and your evidence and your sources ….“even if there may be truth to it.”!!
Henceforth, and forever more, prior to posting you are commanded to carefully and critically examine all of your sources for any instances of deception. You must go back at least 100 years. Best wishes!
It is OK. While I enjoy a good shit flinging, this one seems kind of pointless.
Funny Stuck. About as funny as some of the “evidence” flat earthers use to support their theories… Chip
When meteors hit the flat earth, why doesn’t it wooble, or even flip over?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJY7EC8WAAAMXtt?format=jpg&name=small
The elephants keep it from wobbling, while the turtle keeps it stable and right side up.
Duh.
And, as I observed from 50K feet plus on the trip home from Iceland? Antarctic Ice is curved downward.
Is Convex, not Concave.
Wow – removed my reply and downvote with no comment – and you say Christians are hypocrites…..one last time if people are still free to read someone elses opinions – especially since it was on topic……….
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/Is%20the%20Kingdom%20of%20Christ%20a%20Tiny%20Speck.pdf
You might enjoy articles at http://www.zephaniah.eu
I keep getting my posts scrubbed – not sure why since what I posted was on topic……
I read TBP fairly regularly. However, when I see posts about the flat Earth being taken seriously, it makes me wonder about how valid all the other views and opinions are that I find published here.
I think that I will be reading a lot less TBP going forward. If I want a daily dose of crazy, I can always read David Icke’s stories about our shape-shifting space lizard overlords.
Dr. What? I don’t believe Flat Earth theory, but I am willing to consider it because there are some very valid points offered by very sincere and intelligent people.
I’m not willing to dismiss everything David Icke says, either.
Doc, me too. I’m absolutely flabbergasted at this “discussion” here from people that I normally think are some of the smartest people on the planet…. Chip
You even air quote discussion to show the absolute disdain, but here you are making a comment on it and still not answering a couple math questions I thought were genuinely challenging for at least a laypersons understanding of math and surveying or engineering. I don’t subscribe to flat earth per se only that we don’t know what is or is not true and thus should question everything, the only people I see unwilling to address a contrary viewpoint in honest debate are not the flat earthers.
I have one last question for you, … or, people like you.
There have been countless thousands of pictures taken of Earth from countless satellites orbiting the Earth for the past few decades. Without exception, these thousands upon thousands of photographs all show a round globe Earth.
Please tell me, the biggest moran of all, about that.
I am with you on this Stucky. I’m simply gonsmacked that this is a discussion.
We can watch sun spots on a rotating ball of fire, storms on a rotating planet, orbs… but then the disconnect kicks in and Earth is flat. We should be able to see every constellation from anywhere on Earth if it were flat but thats no whats observed. Sat pics are all composites pieced together and its an ongoing ‘conspiracy’ that the government, in orchestration with every other government, university and science organization secretly agreeing to keep the global conspiracy going because…………
So how did the laser reflector get put on the moon?? Since placed there we can bounce a laser off it and determined that the moon is moving away from the Earth at about an inch , inch and a half per year.
No Earth curvature?? What about the Felix Baumgartner stratosphere jump?? I guess a composite and lens distortion meant to keep the flat Earth conspiracy going and not really a commercial interest at all…
Nor the SST which you can VIEW it when it crosses in front of the Sun. But I guess that too is all faked by NASA and the by guberment.
Guess we are all dupes in the Truman Show…
Or you could watch any one of the major networks. Or listen to any professor in any college in the country. Or listen to your government,
They will tell you that there is no scientific basis for sex or race, that neither of these things exist except in the minds of bigots, conspiracy theorists and phobes of one sort or another.
We are having a discussion about what is or isn’t true and we are starting from scratch because all of the previously mentions institutions lie to you with no concern for your rigidly logical mind.
Convince me I’m wrong.
You have done a very clever job of using a dubious moon landing and the above statement regarding lies being told as proof that the earth is flat. By doing so you have made Luddites of anyone who challenges the flat earth theory.
Mark has made an effort to answer questions with serious answers. You have not. Passing off a challenge of FM radio waves not following the curvature of the earth by blaming Stratollites is typical.
You are the one challenging conventional, accepted science so it is you who the burden of proof falls on. You must convince us that we are wrong. Everyone on this site is here because they know we are being lied to about life and death matters yet you present yourself as the only maverick in the corral and the only one ever harmed and scarred by willful misinformation. Before you became a farmer you stood in front of a large audience and persuaded them to agree with you and are now applying that craft here while claiming to want to stimulate intelligent discussion.
You reading comprehension is atrocious.
I haven’t tried to prove anything. I don’t know what shape the Earth is, I said it several times. The video was interesting, I shared it, what you get out of it is up to you.
And I have done a clever job of using dubious Moon landing and repeated lies as being proof- of lies. It was super easy because, well, because it’s true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8f7WdEQmMw&t=6s
We have to work our way out of the web of deceit one topic at a time using the evidence we do possess, not trusting the alleged science of a thoroughly corrupt regime.
Or not.
I can challenge anything I like and the burden of proof is on those making claims- I haven’t made a single one except the provable charges of fraud on the part of NASA. I doubt that the Earth is spinning at 1,000mph and the atmosphere spins with it at the same speed. I doubt that the size of the Sun at 93 million miles and the Moon at 237 thousand miles is a coincidence. I doubt that the Moon spins on its axis at exactly the same rate as its orbit around Earth so that the same side is always presented to the surface of the Earth is a coincidence as well. I can’t prove it either way, but it seems highly improbable.
Truth is I wish it was exactly the way they say it is because I already know all the details of the official narrative so I wouldn’t have to learn anything additional. My hard drive is almost full.
And yeah, I used to persuade people but their laughter was totally volitional. Of course there was always that one guy with his arms crossed who just wasn’t having it. Whatever floats your boat.
I thought this thread went fairly well, all things considered.
You bold-faced deceitful LIAR!
YOU are the one making a claim the Earth is flat … or whatever shape is in your brain, … anything but round.
YOU spit in the face of accepted science therefore, the burden of proof is on YOU.
It is YOU and your disingenuous and terribly weak challenges which are designed to get us Normals involved in a wild-assed chase down endless rabbit holes. Well, I don’t feel like playing your silly games.
Hey Stuck, you feeling okay? Seriously, you’re responding in a way that’s over the top even for you.
1) I have never made any claim about any shape or configuration of the Earth and have said it repeatedly. The video is not my creation, I simply find all of the issues raised to be worthy of a second look, especially in light of everything we’ve learned about those who are currently trying to turn the entire population of the Earth into livestock.
2) I have a lot of flaws, but lying isn’t one of them. I admit that they may be right, I just don’t accept their data because we know that they aren’t forthcoming in a multitude of ways. If someone has a proof, post it, but no one outside of NASA has that capability- yet.
3) Your behavior is your responsibility. If you don’t want to waste your time, don’t. You act like you have an investment in the shape of the Earth. You don’t know and I don’t know and if anyone actually knows (those who have allegedly left Earth’s orbit) they are on the payroll of an agency that is actively engaged in deception and data manipulation when they aren’t destroying evidence of past projects. Not the most reliable narrator as they say in literature.
4) You don’t understand the burden of proof theory. If I were to claim that you were really a woman, you’re saying that burden of proof for that claim is one you? That makes no sense. NASA/Academia/The Narrative make these claims, I dispute their veracity and have given hundreds of examples of their perfidy and we always wind up right back here, with you backing up organizations and programs that routinely prevaricate and are paid handsomely for the effort.
They can’t engage enough to do that HSF, convincing you would involve actually looking at the theories and evidence in favor of not a globe. It is beyond their abilities to set aside their own certainty of their own view and consider just for a moment that they are looking at something possible. Instead not only is it dismissed without consideration but everything you have ever said must be considered in a new light.
That is actually the saddest part of the instant dismissal, it doesn’t matter if I “know” you are wrong, I can set my “knowing ” aside long enough to rationally examine consider and debate any issue. As a debate exercise in school we were often told to argue a subject and then afterwards switch sides and debate from the reversed side.
Oh and btw Stucky how much of your posts have we all read and participated in discussing no matter how ridiculous the subject that caught your eye. That fact that you won’t bother to watch what was posted but will go after HSF for posting it is frankly disgusting to behold, there is a difference between shit flinging and a profound lack of respect for another contributor here. I could be a literal astronaut with first hand knowledge that flat earthers are full of shit and I would have still give HSF the respect of engaging in this topic and watched what he posted.
So fuck you I am right you are wrong… deal with it, and by deal with it I mean watch the fucking video assclown.
Disgusting?? Krist Almighty, you are seriously some kind of Soi Boi faggot.
Do you think I have the goddamned time or energy to read or watch everything someone posts?? Do you?? During the course of just one day there must 100 or more videos or links posted. I am selective regarding my time … and so are YOU.
Here’s something I know for a fact. Neither your boyfriend, HF, nor yourself watched MY 3 videos I posted!! You goddamned hypocrite. I know you didn’t watch them because if you did, you would give up your idiotic belief in a flat Earth.
I didn’t need to watch it because I’ve seem similar stuff here before which I DID watch. HF has been spewing his bullshit here from the very beginning. How many times should I torture myself with his own brand of insanity??
In closing, go fuck a duck, faggot.
Good for you. Why don’t you give your boyfriend a hand-job at the picnic.
Respect is earned … topic by topic. When he writes on farming and life in general, I respect him. In regards to this topic, I have zero respect for him. That’s the way it goes. Don’t like it? Then go suck a Diseased Donkey Dick.
Poor Stucky its sad when you get all upset.. generally seems to happen when anyone calls you out on your horseshit. And you are right about respect HSF has earned mine every time he has posted any of his writing.
Did you know the more someone loses their shit and responds with ad hominem attacks the more threatened they feel by the discussion at hand. I am gonna go out on a limb and say as evidenced by the vitriol you are spewing now, you know you are the asshole here.
In regards to this topic from what I can tell you have zero functional knowledge and refuse to attempt to find any because well you know better. Every idiot knows it can’t be true so why bother. That is the point I was trying to make about knee jerk reactions and an unwillingness to engage in a subject you disagree with or don’t believe. Instead the insults fly.. maybe just maybe if you don’t want to engage in the subject then try not engaging and instead move onto a different thread.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You really believe I actually get upset when shit gets flung my way?? Flinging shit is my specialty! My god, man, you are far dumber than I thought possible.
Well, let me correct that. I do care what a few people here say … maybe 15 – 20, or so people; like Admin, Llpoh, Maggie, Drud, Uncola, BL, Martel, RiNS, AOC (hope he comes back), even HF and several others …. generally long time posters whom I feel I know, and they know me.
People like you … Nobodies … couldn’t possibly “upset” me because you mean nothing to me. You’re nothing but a diversion, like the wind, here one minute, gone the next. Your insults are like a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal … meaningless, all is meaningless.
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And as far as my “zero functional knowledge” ….. that’s pretty funny coming from a coward who refuses to answer my simple question about thousands of satellite photos showing a globe Earth. Hahahaha!
Ya big fat chicken-shit pussy!
*yawn* goodnight Stucky, clocking out.. same time tomorrow?
8 AM sharp!! Be there, or be square.
Sweet dreams. (Do flat earthers dream in 3 dimensions, or just two?)
Can anyone name a person, group, or blog that has been demonetized, deplatformed, censured, censored,
or killed for arguing in favor of a flat earth.
What boomer stuck fails to grasp, is that all of us were exactly where he is when our journey started. We were presented with this and set out to blow these ‘flat earthers’ out of the water. The difference is we did not just stop with one, top of the list google search. We wanted irrefutable evidence. There is none. We weighed both sides. The spinning ball in an infinite universe always came up lacking. I cant say for sure what we live on, but I can assure you we are not on a spinning ball, in a spinning solar system, in a spinning galaxy.
Anyone that can look at the moon covering the sun EXACTLY, and believe that is a random miracle in the chaos of the cosmos, is incapable of rational thought.
The constellations not shifting an iota in all of recorded time, and spinning like a clock around one ‘star’. Think on that. Or just go google and post the first thing you see. EVERY evidence posted here of a spinning ball is easily , at minimum called into question, if not out right debunked with just a little bit of research. EVERY one.
Another thing to think on. Either one of the MOST well thought out, intelligent posters on this site is as stuck says, a fucking moran, or maybe this is worth your time to wipe the slate clean and think for yourself.
2 Thess 2
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That is a very good way to put it.
You might enjoy articles at http://www.zephaniah.eu
I keep getting my posts scrubbed – not sure why since what I posted was on topic……
dilligaf said “Anyone that can look at the moon covering the sun EXACTLY, and believe that is a random miracle in the chaos of the cosmos, is incapable of rational thought.
The constellations not shifting an iota in all of recorded time, and spinning like a clock around one ‘star’
Nobody here said the first and the constellations have shifted.
Using a verse to imply we refuse evidence is stupid.
https://www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/does-the-bible-teach-that-the-earth-is-round-or-flat
The spinning of the universe, being so immensely, unfathomably, larger than our solar system, explains why constellations appear to remain constant. Plus the fact that our solar system is also moving WITH our universe in a helical pattern that keeps the constellations in tact… Chip
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240 FLAT EARTH BIBLE VERSES
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BuwfYXK0g9oEoDB9CTjR_IQMIiI1HYFe/view
You might enjoy articles at http://www.zephaniah.eu
I keep getting my posts scrubbed – not sure why since what I posted was on topic……
Looks excellent…will get to it soon!
I don’t see any molten lava.
A 4 minute video refuting mark’s “240 FLAT EARTH BIBLE VERSES”
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A written refutation. It is lengthy, detailed, and scholarly … and obliterates the nonsense mark posted.
https://www.grisda.org/does-the-bible-teach-that-the-earth-is-flat
Mark does an ENORMOUS disservice to the Christian faith.
Since Christians maintain that God inspired all of Scripture … then, a God who inspires the belief that the world is flat, turns Scripture into nothing but a farce.
And even worse, it turns God into a bumbling fool.
Not one half of one percent of rational human beings — especially in our century — would give credence to a God, much less worship Him, if that God proclaimed the Earth to be flat.
He should be ashamed of himself for mocking the faith, and its God, in such an ignorant and profane manner.
Finally, I wish to say that, as Christians, we stand upon the Word of God on these matters. If one believes that they should begin with this evil system and use the Bible as a footnote, you have already been defeated.
“And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” – Jesus Christ (John 8:32)
As a Christian, the flat earth begins and ends with Scripture. While the evidence continues to mount, and has, for the flat earth, I must begin by saying, “the Scriptures told you so.”
Just like so many people have been deceived regarding evolution, the big bang, and heliocentrism, so to have many been duped into believing that we are on a spinning ball. The ramifications of these lies have wide sweeping effects upon every sphere of life and society. I would like to begin with the most controversial verse in Isaiah.
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in” Is. 40:22
https://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html
As far as your personal insults…go away…I won’t be baited by your vicious and unfounded personal attack…not on this subject or my heartfelt and honest motives.
Ha!
Looks to me like Alferd E. Newduck…What me Worry???
Yo…finally found a face mask I might wear for ha ha’s….really, I’m buying one…
https://bucktee.com/product/alfred-e-neuman-mask
I don’t know anything about ducks, but I can definitely see that the Earth is curved like it says in the books.
High School kids send a camera up in a high-altitude balloon. They discover that from a high-enough vantage point you can see the curvature of the Earth.
Hey, Flatters! Are you smarter than a High Schooler? No, you are not.
At 1:31 the horizon is concave.
Explain.
Three Unassailable Facts For Which Flatters Have No Answer
1. We have telescopes here on Earth that can see a pebble on the moon … 200+ thousand miles away. If you put a telescope on Nob Hill in San Francisco and point it at Tokyo, a mere 5,000 miles away, on a flat Earth you would see buildings in Tokyo. But, you can’t …no matter how powerful your telescope. Why? Flatters can’t explain this.
2. It will soon be summer here in America. But, in Australia it will be winter. If the Earth were flat, the Sun’s rays would always come in at the same angle. In other words, the USA and Australia would … must … experience the seasons the same exact way. Flatters can’t explain this.
3) If the Earth were flat, then someone in New York and someone in Los Angeles would see the sun rise and set at exactly the same time as one another. As we know, they are about 3 hours apart. Not only that but at every point in between, the Sun rises/sets at a different time. Why? Flatters can’t explain this.
Hold those questions Don Rickles…Stucky Prickles…whatever your name is…
I gotta have a smoke before bed…tomorrow is another day…
Oh, goody. I can’t wait.
I will tell you this, and I’m not kidding …. I will read your answers but, NOT if you start quoting the Bible. I scan and see a Bible verse … I move on.
You shred Scripture and then rearrange it to your own liking in order to turn Almighty God into a flat-earther. What an abomination! I have zero interest henceforth in anything you have to say about the Bible. I’m sure you’ll feel the same way about my heathen ass … and I have no problem with that.
Stick to the science …. or, what you think is science. So, whaddya got?
You will never, ever tell me your standards to debate any issue, the only person here who I will listen to on posting rules will be Admin.
I consider you a friend…and you’re hyperbolic Don Rickles/Stucky Prickles routines are part of your style…but on this one all I can say to YOU telling ME how to post is…your balls are showing!
Sounds like you are under a lot of stress at home…best wishes…and prayers.
OK. Message received. Will comply.
Thanks for the prayers and well wishes.
Always.
Stucky, when God comes to take his children home, in the bible it says…
How will that be possible if the earf is round?
Ooops, maybe Mark already asked that question. Dismissed.
Geodesic.
Resorting to your usual condescending, snarky, superior know-it-all, faux response when confronted with something you can’t answer … or, even understand. Why am I not surprised? Man up, or fuck off.
No, I’m not OK. I’ve been taking care of sick loved ones pretty much every day for four years now. two have died. My mother who is miserable in body and spirit, and hates her life, is especially difficult to handle. The stress is enormous.
So what! We all have our crosses to bear. Others have it worse than me. Why ask the question? You wanna send prayers my way? Wish me the best? Tell me to hang in there? What I need is my own Great Reset … starting with getting the fuck out of NJ, and starting fresh. And I have no goddamned idea when or even if that will happen.
Stucky – Time past to pull out of the argument. If banging your head against the wall isn’t helping in any direction and only causing more stress and grievance… time to pull in the pride and step away…
I know what you are going thru, ten years plus with the wifes parents. A little better now because they are in an Independent Living apartment, so no stairs, meals made and they can come’n go as they please. But still the phycological aspect is wearing as their minds start shorting out in increasing frequency. I’ma nobody but will pray that peace of mind will be your friend.
Stucky,
I AM SERIOUS…
Reach out to your good friend Marc. I would bet if you scratched up enough $$ to build a cabin on his property, he’d let you. Hell, what does 1 person need as far as accommodations are concerned. Electricity, plumbing, a roof, walls and a floor. As repayment for his generosity, pledge to help him on his farm in any way you can.
I would bet it would be the best thing you could ever do at this point in your life.
Think about it.
I’d help him build it.
I’m not responsible for reading a math book to you. It is the word you need to understand your question. You can lead the horse to water but you can’t make them drink. That’s why there are flatearthers. I can’t make them read and understand. Keep watching the YouTube videos by others that refuse to learn, too.
You’re over-complicating the problem. You can use Galilean relativity (general relativity would work but that’s like killing pigeons w/ nukes! Overkill for sure!) to determine the relevant variables. An observer from a fixed point in space would see the 1k mph component. An observer on the planet would not. However, when calculating a flight path, the geodesics do account for the movement of the earth because there is a disconnect between the plane and earth. For a different example, we launch rockets from locations near the equator because there is a higher angular momentum at the equator than the poles. We measure gold weight based upon this angular momentum, too.
Same reason you cannot blind a guy in Sydney with a laser in New Jersey. Curvature of the sphere. Same reason a six foot tall guy can see only three miles of earth when standing on flat land. Curvature of the earth. Distances to sun and moon can be determined with basic geometry via measurements from different points on the earth where distance is known. Etc.
These guys are pulling your pud.
I’m yet to hear from a flatearther that has studied the calculus of variations. Until they do, they have zero basis for argument. Press the ignore button.
Ah, the old calculus of variations. I remember that from school.
Why don’t you pretend that this is an open discussion where you submit your evidence in order to educate the uninformed using your far superior knowledge of this well publicized proof of the shape/size/movement of the Earth.
Some of us are actually very interested in hearing something a bit more substantive than the “everyone knows the Earth is a globe” argument.
Yeah, let’s just dismiss math … an often used tactic of yours when the going gets tough. After all, we all now know maff is racist.
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Ohmigawd, you really ARE a comedian! Meanwhile, your substantive argument is little more than “the Earth is flat”! You cite weird and obscure observations … and consider this stuff you pull out your ass as “evidence”. You funny guy, you.
Llpoh is right. You’re pulling my pud. The joke is on me. You win, pud puller.
I could copy out of the book or even rederive everything in it. In either case, you and the rest of the flatearthers wouldn’t understand it. My proof? This wouldn’t be a discussion if you did. There’s little left for the imagination after you use geodesics to calculate flight paths. A simpler calculation for the non-math inclined woul be to find any number of stars in space and calculate where to point your telescope. Same premise but there are arithmetic guides online so you don’t need a college education to do it.
Being snarky about an education you don’t have only makes you a fool. Keep sleeping in your car and writing jokes. Leave the science and engineering to those of us who spent our time in more useful endeavors. Keep thanking Allah, Yahweh, or whomever when your light switch works.
I could give good arguments about why flat earth is bullshit, but once you know how flat earth people work, you will know it is futile. No argument is good enough. They draw you out with expressions of being open to listen to evidence, and then ignore or reply with nonsense. So then you get out the big guns and start explaining some aspect of it in depth, only for them to completely shift to some other point.
They are just leading you on. So the best thing to do is ignore them.
Otherwise reasonable people seem to do this kind of like the people who talk about space lizards. I think it’s because they want one area to be crazy in, so they don’t feel so threatened by society about not having mainstream views or beliefs.
Then again some of them are just nuts.
+1000
I have learned a LOT in the past 24 hours regarding how they think …. not just from the discussions here, but from all over the web. And, you are correct.
Nevertheless, I am working on a rebuttal to HSF & Ilk, Inc. It will NOT be a rehash of arguments already presented.
Instead, it will be a history of Flat Earthism from its beginning to the present day. All people — Flatters and Rounders — ought to know how and why it got started, why it persists, and even more so, what they actually believe (which is even weirder than you can imagine).
I. Will. EXPOSE. Their. Fantasies.
Stucky…before you burst a Don Rickles foaming at the mouth blood vessel counter attack you have to watch this…the truth is in the ending!
FLAT EARTHERS! PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO US!
I was ignorant to such hard evidence
people wake up!
Flat earthers REJOICE!
THERE WILL BE REDEMPTION FOR OUR SUFFERING, ONE DAY!
WHERE ARE YOU ROUND EARTHERS?
I was hear with you all day Stucky but I’m old and weak so I have limits. My last comment at 8:04 got a response from Farmer that was so typically weak even you had to offer a rebuttal at 12:38 this morning.
“Stucky
“I can challenge anything I like and the burden of proof is on those making claims- I haven’t made a single one …”
You bold-faced deceitful LIAR!
YOU are the one making a claim the Earth is flat … or whatever shape is in your brain, … anything but round.”
During the day I asked dozens of serious legitimate questions that never got an answer. A few got a feeble joke of an answer. At some point we become the fools for giving them an audience. THEY’LL DRAG US DOWN QUICKER THAN WE’LL LIFT THEM UP.
I hope you all have enjoyed TBP’s version of Rock-em Sock-em Robots, with HSF and Stuckenheimer playing the role of Red (Round) versus Blue (Flat).
Not taking sides… next time Red will be Flat.
Finally had to watch the video and found it intriguing, but I have more questions than answers.