Who Is Really Killing American Democracy?

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

Who Is Really Killing American Democracy?

The point: If we Americans cannot even agree on which heroes and holidays are to be celebrated together, does that not tell us something about whether we are really, any longer, one country and one people?

By a vote of 30-1 in the House, with unanimous support in the Senate, Juneteenth, June 19, which commemorates the day in 1865 when news of Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation reached Texas, has been declared a federal holiday

It is to be called Juneteenth Independence Day.

Prediction: This will become yet another source of societal division as many Black folks celebrate their special Independence Day, and the rest of America continues to celebrate July 4 as Independence Day two weeks later.

Why the pessimism? Consider.

Days before Congress acted, the Randolph, New Jersey, board of education voted to change Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day. A backlash ensued, and the board quickly voted to rescind its decision.

Still under fire, the board voted to drop all designated holidays from the school calendar and replace them with the simple notation “Day Off.”

The school board had surrendered, punted, given up on trying to find holidays that the citizens of Randolph might celebrate together.

But the “day off” mandate created another firestorm, and the board is now restoring all the previous holidays, including that of Columbus.

The point: If we Americans cannot even agree on which heroes and holidays are to be celebrated together, does that not tell us something about whether we are really, any longer, one country and one people?

Do we still meet in any way the designation and description of us as the “one united people” that John Jay rendered in The Federalist Papers:

“Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs.”

Does that depiction remotely resemble America in 2021?

Today, we don’t even agree on whether Providence exists.

We hear constant worries these days about a clear and present danger to “our democracy” itself. And if democracy requires, as a precondition, a community, a commonality, of religious, cultural, social and moral beliefs, we have to ask whether these necessary ingredients of a democracy still exist in 21st-century America.

Consider what has happened to the holidays that united Americans of the Greatest and Silent Generations.

Christmas and Easter, the great Christian Holy Days and holidays of that era, were expunged a half-century ago from the public schools and the public square — replaced by winter break and spring break.

The Bible, the cross and the Ten Commandments were all expelled as contradicting the secularist commands of our Constitution.

Traditional Christian teachings about homosexuality and abortion, reflected in public law, are now regarded as hallmarks of homophobia, bigotry, sexism and misogyny — i.e., of moral and mental sickness.

Not only do Americans’ views on religion and morality collide, but we also seem ever more rancorously divided now on matters of history and race.

Was Christopher Columbus a heroic navigator and explorer who “discovered” America — or a genocidal racist? Was the colonization of America a great leap forward for civilization and mankind, or the monstrous crime of technically superior European peoples who came to brutally impose their religion, race and rule upon indigenous peoples?

Three of the six Founding Fathers and most of the presidents of the first 60 years of our republic were slave owners: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, James Polk and Zachary Taylor, as well as the legendary senators Henry Clay and John Calhoun.

A number of Americans now believe that Washington and Jefferson should be dynamited off Mount Rushmore at the same time the visages of the three great Confederates — Gen. Robert E. Lee, Gen. Stonewall Jackson and Confederate President Jefferson Davis — are dynamited off Stone Mountain, Georgia.

From all this comes a fundamental question.

Is the left itself — as its cultural and racial revolution dethrones the icons of America’s past, who are still cherished by a majority — irreparably fracturing that national community upon which depends the survival of the democracy they profess to cherish?

Are they themselves imperiling the political system at whose altar they worship?

The country is not the polity. The nation is not the state. Force Americans to choose between the claims of God, faith, family, tribe and country — and the demands of democracy — and you may not like the outcome.

A question needs to be put to the left in America.

If your adversaries in politics are indeed fascists, racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes and bigots, as you describe them, why would, or should, such people accept and embrace your rule over them — simply because you managed to rack up a plurality of ballots in an election?

Free elections to decide who governs are, it is said, the central sacrament of democracy. But why should people who are described with every synonym for “deplorable” not reject the politics of compromise and instead work constantly to overthrow the rule of people who so detest them?

Winston Churchill called democracy “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried”

Are both sides sticking with democracy — for lack of an alternative?

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Old School Counselor
Old School Counselor
June 18, 2021 7:20 am

It is obviously over. This week was a major turning point. The challenge is that Leftists will not let us leave peacefully because they need our money and our brains. They need to keep us in the spare room and continue to loot us. We need a plan to escape.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 7:38 am

I’m not bothered by Juneteenth becoming a holiday because we should honor all the people who fought and died to end slavery. The biggest argument I’ve seen against it has been it being a second Independence Day. Yeah, that’s the point. Not all Americans were granted their freedom right away. We should recognize that and celebrate the end of slavery. One of the reasons CRT and the 1619 Project have been able to infect our school curriculum is because we’re not properly teaching the 19th century in history classes. We should celebrate the gradual expansions of freedoms, it didn’t happen all at once. By all means, make Juneteenth a national holiday and make “Lift every voice and sing” the song for the occasion. This country is big enough to observe both days because it’s all of our history. There’s no white history or black history, there’s only American history.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 7:48 am

Funny thing, northern slave states didn’t have to free the slaves in them until the deadline of 1868 and the owners were reimbursed by the government. General Grant’s wife refused to free her house slaves until forced to do so. Supposedly her excuse was “good help is hard to find”.

Muscledawg
Muscledawg
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 8:06 am

By all means, make Juneteenth a national holiday

There’s no white history or black history, there’s only American history.

Steph-
Do you realize that you are contradicting yourself here. You can’t have both!!! Oh, and by the way, did you know that when ol’ Abe freed them negroes, he only freed the ones in the states that fought against the union. The northern states that had slaves were able to keep them. Did you know that Steph? Also, the injuns that had negro slaves were allowed to keep them . Did you know that Steph? You know what else Steph, you can take your juneteenth day and ……… So now, what day should them negroes be celebrating now? juneteenth or the day ALL negroes were freed? Maybe neither. How ’bout just 7-4-1776.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Muscledawg
June 18, 2021 8:10 am

Yes, we can have both. It’s only small minded assfucks like you who want to keep the nation divided with your racist bullshit. Who gives a shit when and where people specifically owned slaves. The entire point of Juneteenth is to celebrate the END OF SLAVERY. The Civil War was the bloodiest war in US history and it ended slavery. It was a second war for Independence for all peoples. Just because racist shitstains want to stay living in the past doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t want to move on. It’s really not that big of a deal to have a specific day to celebrate the end of slavery.

flash
flash
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 8:22 am

” It’s only small minded assfucks like you who want to keep the nation divided with your racist bullshit. ” YOU DID THIS, MUSCLEDAWG !!!!! reeeeeeeee

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4KfPtqXoAACmrO?format=jpg&name=large

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  flash
June 18, 2021 8:23 am

Coming from the King of the Racists on TBP. Fuck off.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 8:26 am

LOL!

flash
flash
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:12 am

Why all the hate, coalburner?

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  flash
June 18, 2021 1:59 pm

I went “LOL”, and now I hate? No, I laugh at people who get pissy all the time. As a matter of fact, I laugh at a lot of people all the time. I have that smile I get when I think about how hard people are about to get it, and most can’t fathom it much less realize the collapse is going on RIGHT NOW. This collapse is going to be an equal opportunity Debbie downer.

falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:51 am

Not trying to quibble, but the EP didn’t end slavery; it had no legal authority and didn’t even free the slaves in border states occupied by Union troops.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 10:52 am

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Everybody knows this.

falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:37 am

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BL
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 12:01 pm

FF- That’s my ALL TIME favorite. 🙂

falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:38 am

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Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 1:05 pm

This is just another ‘kiss ass’ action to try and satisfy niggers. Niggers are the lowest of the low IQ and culture people.

Remember Neville Chamberlin? He tried to satisfy the Nazis. Where here we are trying to satisfy the niggers demands.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 8:14 am

The Civil War was fought to enforce the Tariff of Abominations, not to end slavery..And Lincoln’s Proclamation in 1863 didn’t free anyone, it was merely a political move to bolster his failing support in an insanely bloody war…
And Americans are much less free now than they were in the 19th century.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  pyrrhuis
June 18, 2021 8:16 am

There was multiple reasons for the Civil War. Most people know this. I never said the slavery was the cause of the Civil War. Your reading comprehension sucks. I merely said the end of slavery was a RESULT of the Civil War. It was one of the many outcomes from that war.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:14 am

The war was never fought to end slavery. If it had, the slaves in the north would have been freed well before the slaves in the occupied south.

I have no problem with Juneteenth as long that the truth is being told in full. Like all the whites that where slaves, how free blacks owned slaves, there where slave traders and how the blacks in Africa sold there own into slavery. These are all things that happened and yet are ignored. The issue is, there is not history. Only lies used to divide and enslave us.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:17 am

The war was never fought to end slavery.

Sigh… Another fucking idiot who can’t read. I never said it was fought to end slavery. The war was fought for many reasons and some people did fight to end slavery. They were called Quakers. Others fought the war for other reasons. Your reading comprehension sucks too.

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  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:28 am

“all the people who fought and died to end slavery.”

I read it. This statement insinuates that all these people fought and died to end slavery. No they did not. The only fighting done was by John Brown at Harper’s Ferry. This shows you there as virtually no one willing to fight to end slavery.

The Quakers do not believe in violence. So there where not Quakers in the military. They may have helped slaves that escaped, but they did not fighting.

Name calling in a sign that you have no leg to stand on.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:31 am

It doesn’t “insinuate” nothing. It’s written to specifically mean EXACTLY what it says. People did fight and die to end slavery. I never said ALL THE PEOPLE fought and died to end slavery.

Also, I never said Quakers fought in the military to end slavery either. There’s many ways to “fight” to end slavery. The Quakers AKA abolitionists “fought” to end slavery mostly through cultural and propaganda efforts.

Again, learn to fucking read and stop putting words into my mouth fuckface.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:34 am

Please give a number of all the people who fought and died. Could you also give the number of the Quakers that died fighting? I would be interested int he source(s) for those numbers. Since it seems you make stuff up.

Almost forgot. You insults mean little. I have been called a lot worse by better people. But I am glad to see you can act like an adult.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:36 am

Dude, fuck off. It’s not my problem you can’t fucking read. I’m not indulging your word salad bullshit because you didn’t properly read my comments.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:43 am

I did I want to know who all these people are that fought and died. You can count John Brown and his men.

Let me help you out.
John Brown’s Raid on Harper’s Ferry – 11 men killed – 0 Quakers killed.

Source: https://www.nps.gov/articles/john-browns-raid.htm#:~:text=Sixteen%20people%20were%20killed%20in,including%20ten%20of%20Brown's%20men.

Now you can complete.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:45 am

Stop. You didn’t read my comment properly. That’s your fault. This convo is over. You can’t fucking read and I’m not indulging your word salad bullshit so you can backtrack to save face. There’s nothing to discuss because you can’t fucking read.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:49 am

So you cannot tell us all who all these people where or how the Quakers fought when they do not believe in violence?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:50 am

Also, I never said Quakers fought in the military to end slavery either. There’s many ways to “fight” to end slavery. The Quakers AKA abolitionists “fought” to end slavery mostly through cultural and propaganda efforts.

LEARN TO FUCKING READ!!!!!

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:54 am

“we should honor all the people who fought and died to end slavery”

This states there where a lot of people that fought to end slavery. Does it not?

“The war was fought for many reasons and some people did fight to end slavery. They were called Quakers.”

Here you state the non-violent Quakers fought.

So who are the all these people that fought and died. I did help you out with John Brown. I was really interested in the Quaker part. How many of them fought and died?

Is English your first language? If not I do understand your confusion.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:56 am

Dude, fuck off. Nitpicking my comments isn’t going to change the fact you can’t fucking read.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:56 am

You seem to make a lot of accusation without any evidence to back it up.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 9:59 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ, ASSHOLE. This conversation is over. I’m not indulging your word salad bullshit so you can backtrack to save face.

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tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:03 am

I have pointed out what you said and you are factually wrong. Instead of proving me wrong or admitting your wrong you toss names like a child.

So are you saying you have the numbers or are you saying I was wrong, but I will continue to call names and throw a tantrum like a child until he goes away?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:05 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Trying to twist my words after the fact doesn’t undo your shitting reading comprehension. I’m not going to indulge your word salad bullshit just because your ego is bruised. Move along, fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:06 am

Then do explain what you wrote.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:07 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:09 am

“we should honor all the people who fought and died to end slavery”

“The war was fought for many reasons and some people did fight to end slavery. They were called Quakers.”

So where did I misunderstand?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:09 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:10 am

So where did I misunderstand?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:11 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:14 am

Oh, I can repeat myself also. This could be fun

So where did I misunderstand?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:15 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:15 am

So where did I misunderstand?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:16 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

flash
flash
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:20 am

Don’t tread on coalburner. She knows from whence she speaks.

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/8415fe99d52fa8b123111a6826ccb317

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tangle
  flash
June 18, 2021 10:22 am

Just having a little fun. She knows she is wrong, bur is not adult enough to admit it.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:23 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:25 am

Shouldn’t that not be plural now since flash responded. Unless you are just fixated on me. If, so I have to tell you I am happily married. Sorry.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:25 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:27 am

If I was single, I would be turned off by your foul mouth and unpleasant attitude. You would have a much better chance catching a man if you would act more like a lady.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:28 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:31 am

So what makes you so ill tempered? You make a statement you cannot or will not backup then get made when someone calls you on it. You should be like an adult and just debate the points you made.

Sometimes in life people just do not agree with each other. That does not mean you call them names and such.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:35 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:36 am

When you act like an adult I will move on.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:37 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:42 am

Oh, I found another mistake in your original comment. You do not take into account the poor white trapped in the Appalachians mountains that where treated like slave in the coal mines and lumber camps. In case you are unfamiliar with it. They where paid in company money, had to purchase goods in the company store and if they wanted US dollars they had to pay the company an exchange rates. They where kept in debt to the company, so they could never leave (listen to 16 tons song). The owners put more value on the mules than they did the workers. There was always someone child that needed to work, but they had to purchase a mule. This went on into the 20th century.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:43 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:45 am

Then there is the genocide going on against the unborn. They are not free. They are not even allowed to breath their first breath of air. Just murdered for the body part. Have you ever shed a tear for them? Stood up against their murder?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:47 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:48 am

Tell me, do you feel the same for the Chinese that where imported and treated as slaves? Just asking.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:50 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:50 am

Do you feel the same way about the white slaves in Africa at the time?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:51 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:53 am

I take it that was a no, no, no, no and a no?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 10:54 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:30 am

Sorry, I had to do some adult things. Now where were we. Yeah, so where have I misunderstood your writings?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 11:32 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:34 am

Do you type this out each time or do you just copy and paste it.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  tangle
June 18, 2021 11:37 am

YOU CAN’T FUCKING READ. Move along, Fucktard.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:49 am

my goodness you sound retarded. have you nothing else to contribute other than your same retarded comments?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Anonymous
June 18, 2021 11:53 am

You must be new. Don’t forget to check out TBP gift shop on your way out.

tangle
tangle
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 2:18 pm

So, you show your ignorance by repeating the same thing. I am sure everyone will see the intellect in that.

falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:43 am

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falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 12:12 pm

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Machinist
Machinist
  tangle
June 18, 2021 3:29 pm

“Some people say a man is made outta mud
A poor man’s made outta muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that’s a-weak and a back that’s strong”

“You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store”

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  tangle
June 18, 2021 3:38 pm

T…yet it seems fucking with her turns you on. Looks like your wife is not doing her job. Happily married? I don’t think so. Happily married men don’t come here to fuck with other women. Your cover is blown.

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tangle
  Abigail Adams
June 18, 2021 3:39 pm

She is the one that started insulting everyone.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:59 am

Oh, the irony. Your name clearly shows that you come from a group of illiterates who can’t even spell shepherd.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Anonymous
June 18, 2021 12:06 pm

Lame.

falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 12:09 pm

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falconflight
falconflight
  Anonymous
June 18, 2021 12:06 pm

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Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 2:02 pm

Men should rejoice in the smaller brains and math challenges of women. When a man pulls out his dick and tells the woman it is six inches, she believes him. Three is six and maff is hard…pun intended.

falconflight
falconflight
  Mygirl....maybe
June 18, 2021 3:12 pm

Broadly smiling. 🙂

flash
flash
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:48 am

Richard Nixon was a Quaker.

“Bill Rogers has got — to his credit it’s a decent feeling — but somewhat sort of a blind spot on the black thing because he’s been in New York. He says well, ‘They are coming along, and that after all they are going to strengthen our country in the end because they are strong physically and some of them are smart.’ So forth and so on.

My own view is I think he’s right if you’re talking in terms of 500 years,” he said. “I think it’s wrong if you’re talking in terms of 50 years. What has to happen is they have be, frankly, inbred. And, you just, that’s the only thing that’s going to do it, Rose.”

Richard Millhouse Nixon

Apparently Nixon supports your view , coalburner

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  flash
June 18, 2021 10:29 am

I forgot Nixon was a Quaker.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  tangle
June 18, 2021 2:25 pm

I always like hearing Nixon talking in one of his tapes. He was a world class user of profanity.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  flash
June 18, 2021 2:05 pm

That blacks will breed with white women and that will improve their lot? Nope, not if the mud sharks are white trash who had a bad relationship with their daddy and they’re still trying to get back at him.

falconflight
falconflight
  Coalclinker
June 18, 2021 3:14 pm

You can see a decided shift in society by just watching Judge Judy. By circa 2005, the show was a virtual parade of coal smokers.

flash
flash
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 9:43 am

Some were Quakers. but also included many other denominations , including Catholics .They were called abolitionists , coalburner. You’re welcome.

tangle
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  flash
June 18, 2021 10:11 am

A Quaker does not believe in fighting. They are like the Amish, they would kicked out of the church for such actions.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  tangle
June 18, 2021 2:18 pm

Quakers also marry gay and lesbian couples. They are full blown reprobates

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  Coalclinker
June 18, 2021 9:48 pm

It’s the oats; amirite?

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  flash
June 18, 2021 2:16 pm

Who cares about the abolitionists? They and their man will someday all be seen as losers, as they laid the foundations for the American Empire, and an empire’s collapse is always based upon weaknesses in the foundations. Lincoln was a world class loser. Only a fucking idiot hated that much would sit with his back to an unlocked door.
The weakness is there’s always been some group in America who demands that everybody pay homage to their cult. It takes money to run a cult, and that’s something that isn’t there.
The golden goose is dead and stinking.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Coalclinker
June 18, 2021 3:49 pm

How was Lincoln like a woman? He was shot in the box.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:28 am

1)– I don’t think you understand that this new holiday is nothing but Virtue Signaling by politicians on both sides. Unless you think these amoral fuckers actually care about what happened way back in 1865.

2)– You said —> “There’s no white history or black history, there’s only American history.” — Then why do we have a Black History Month?

3)– Great!! Yet another Federal holiday where Federal employees get yet another fucken day off …. at our expense.

4)– NO ONE will actually celebrate it. Just like no one really actually celebrates Memorial Day … or, do you believe people actually stop and think and grieve over our fallen dead? Just like no one really gives much thought to Independence Day. These holidays are nothing more than an excuse to throw a party. Even Christmas is a joke overall … is it really about celebrating the birth of Jesus or, the biggest fucking commercial holiday of all time?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Stucky
June 18, 2021 10:34 am

1.) I understand the exact motive behind the Marxist passing this holiday. The best way to take the wind out of their sails is to see it as an opportunity to take over it’s meaning to celebrate the Civil War and the end of slavery. Reinvent it as a celebration of American history instead of their communist propaganda.

2. Because there’s black racists who want to be divisive. However, you can’t fight against racism with more racism. Black History Month is another empty virtue signaling for these people. They only have power if you fight against them to for petty victories.

3. Another federal holiday in the summer when a lot of state employees are already on vacation.

4. How are people suppose to celebrate a summer holiday? BBQ, beer, and outdoor activities. Did you stop celebrating Christmas because other people started celebrating Kwanzaa?

Stucky
Stucky
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:07 am

“I understand the exact motive behind the Marxist passing this holiday.” and …. “Black History Month is another empty virtue signaling for these people.”

Great!! Really.

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“Reinvent it as a celebration of American history instead of their communist propaganda.”

Hmmmm ….. not a bad strategy.

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“How are people suppose to celebrate a summer holiday? BBQ, beer, and outdoor activities. “

That’s EXACTLY my point. Whatever name or cause we stick on these holidays have exactly NOTHING to do with the holiday itself. It’s all just an excuse for BBQ and beer. NTTAWWT.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:09 am

Oh, in case you don’t go to FF …. here is Dementia Joe giving his opinion about Juneteeth …

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stucky
June 18, 2021 1:12 pm

Black History Month: Invention of the crack pipe? The six pack? Boones Farm? Mud hut? Coon Coach Impala? Ghetto cruiser Lincoln wid 21’s?

Machinist
Machinist
  Dutchman
June 18, 2021 3:36 pm

You forgot Colt Malt Liquor 45’s

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Machinist
June 18, 2021 5:04 pm

If you ever get plugged up, if you know what I mean, Colt 45’s will clean you out real good.
In all reality, 12 ounce bottles aren’t too bad, but the 40 ouncers are the nasty ones.
Just remember, most of my friends started drinking between the mid 70’s to the early 80’s.

MartelsHammer
MartelsHammer
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:46 am

Got to give you the downvote there SS. E Pluribus Unum…out of many, one. Tribalism is always a bad thing in the long run…just ask the Tutsi or any of the ethnic groups in the former Yugoslavia or the Armenians. Eventually, the majority comes for the minority because they are not “one people” but separate groups following separate traditions in the name of inclusion and diversity. Many studies have shown that there is a strong positive correlation between diversity and having a low-trust society. A low trust society of course is the desire of the divide and conquer elites.

The entire race agitation industry is a lie. Whites held fewer slaves than most societies (including the precious Native Americans) and we freed them earlier and paid a high price to do so. We owe blacks nothing, no apologies, no special accommodation, no recognition. No white person alive in America owned a slave and no black person alive was a slave…and yet all we see is black failure…..racism? Hardly, it is low IQ (on average) and destructive culture…..got nothing to do with whites.

Black Africans that immigrate to America tend to very well and look down on American blacks…..systemic racism is a fiction. Though the Africans tend to be smarter and better educated which accounts for their success (the dumb Africans stay home).

So promoting more tribalism simply enables the ongoing dysfunction of the blacks, we should instead be demanding they behave and join the rest of us.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  MartelsHammer
June 18, 2021 10:49 am

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falconflight
falconflight
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 11:13 am

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falconflight
falconflight
  MartelsHammer
June 18, 2021 10:58 am

We kinda used to demand proper, civilized behavior. that monkey is out of the cage and down the street, never to return…voluntarily.

falconflight
falconflight
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 11:09 am

Shock The Monkey

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 1:54 pm

Spank the Monkey

falconflight
falconflight
  Mygirl....maybe
June 18, 2021 3:17 pm

Actually one my fav Stones songs:
Monkey Man

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 1:07 pm

How about my birthday? I paid a boat load of taxes for all the niggers born on welfare.

Mygirl....maybe
Mygirl....maybe
  Dutchman
June 18, 2021 2:04 pm

You should be rejoicing. Not only are you paying for the black welfare folk, you now get to pay for all the illegals on the welfare.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Dutchman
June 18, 2021 2:28 pm

Didn’t the Catholics and Lutherans work to import them where you live? Nothing like good old fashioned religious persecution to put those people out of business.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 1:12 pm

So here we are giving up all individual freedom for a BS bafflegab idiocy and calling it a holiday.

flash
flash
June 18, 2021 7:48 am

Juneteeth ? How is anyone not privvy to the exact date of this holiday to know that it is June 19 ? How far away are we from the idiots in Congress, that voted for this gibberish as a national holiday, from mandating that the national language become Ebonics , becaw anglish be racissss…
Memo to self: Must vote harder.

So long Western civilization, glad to have known you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xNoEu3O8c

Dutchman
Dutchman
  flash
June 18, 2021 3:46 pm

Typical of niggers – they can even say the correct number.

Leah
Leah
  flash
June 18, 2021 9:20 pm

Gives me chills every time.

KJ
KJ
June 18, 2021 8:24 am

Cue the CCP…

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Coalclinker
Coalclinker
June 18, 2021 8:24 am

” Are both sides sticking with democracy — for lack of an alternative?”
Ah, some musings from a fossil from a time and place, who was obsolete and out of touch years ago.
The problem is we’re not a republic anymore, but a democracy with a few remaining obstacles the Democratic Bolsheviks want to get rid of. They will eventually do this, and the alternative is living in a country not controlled by those people.
When they changed the election of the Senate to one of a popular vote rather than selection by state legislatures, they set into motion the seeds of destruction for the current system we have. There will be a dissolution of the United States, and it will be led by the states who no longer see any benefits of remaining in a Deep State Communist state.
Who knows what event will spark dissolution, but I can imagine it will be the guns. They have to get rid of the guns to have a communist state

Leah
Leah
June 18, 2021 8:41 am

The people in my world who work in the public sector are cheering…because it’s another day off, nothing more and nothing less. The others roll their eyes.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Leah
June 18, 2021 8:44 am

Yep. Another summer holiday to stay home, BBQ, and drink. How awful…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stephanie Shepard
June 18, 2021 10:21 am

Who sent you over here Blondie? The DNC?

musket
musket
June 18, 2021 9:04 am

Juneteenth is just another condiment on the table of “free shit” that small minded imbeciles both black and white can be bought off with. Back in Texas 40 years ago this was the day where most of the families had reunions complete with t shirts for all and good times were prevalent. Can’t do that anymore as one or many will be carrying a hogs leg or an AK as insurance.

The left began many years ago with welfare and now it’s national holidays. Section 8A housing that is now more Fallujah than Chicago, welfare checks that are now credit cards, cell phones and a host of other enticements to keep them occupied and happy and not knowing the real truth.

They are still on the plantation they just haven’t figured it out yet. They have an “invisible fence” that keeps them where they are and they lack the courage to stick a shiv in the ribs of the democrat party and really have independence day. The first check that arrived last year ended up as air jordans, gold chains and a new grill for too many here in the home county.

It would seem that these folks with never benefit from critical race theory, wokeness and all that goes with it. But the classless clowns on TV on the news feeds will make out like bandits telling the world exactly what the left wants them hear and live by……keep voting you fools as Nancy Pelosi (aka the bride of chuckie) , the squad, Circus clown Schumer and rest need the job.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  musket
June 18, 2021 3:56 pm

Here in Minneapolis we have a George Floyd Ave. But it doesn’t go anywhere!

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Dutchman
June 18, 2021 4:55 pm

Usually a Martin Luther King Blvd. is in the most run down and dirty part of town. Not always, for in my town it’s the one of the main drags in town! Everybody still calls it 12th Street. There’s only 2 homes left on it, so they all moved somewhere else.
The oldest black church in town (est. in 1869) there is probably why they changed the street name. I remember the story about one of their fine preachers. He liked to tap the collection plate and made too many mammys happy, at the ire of several cuckolded husbands.

tangle
tangle
June 18, 2021 9:06 am

We are not a democracy and the founders never intended it to be.

Joe Blow
Joe Blow
June 18, 2021 9:25 am

Saw yesterday where the CDC decided to postpone the “emergency” meeting on the vaccines cause of the new feral holiday.

flash
flash
  Joe Blow
June 18, 2021 10:02 am

Juneteenth rocks !!!!! Celebrate , Celebrate another day of living….wooooo .
Still not tired of winning. Forward until dawn.
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BL
BL
  flash
June 18, 2021 10:13 am

Flash- You got it right, I will close my business for Juneteenth and July 4th and now we have another day off from working for THE MAN. We be taking all da holidays with glee, even if we iz white. Who does it hurt, not me, I close on Martin Luther Da Kang Day too.

flash
flash
  BL
June 18, 2021 10:23 am

I can’t wait to celebrate Rev . Sharpton and Jesse Jackson days. I’ll be eating watermelon and guzzling malt likker and grape drank all week long.

BL
BL
  flash
June 18, 2021 10:25 am

Don’t forget that 20 piece KFC fried chicken bucket Flash. Damn, sounds good and I loves watermelon.

Leah
Leah
  Joe Blow
June 18, 2021 10:32 am

May the members who postponed this meeting have emergencies, and may someone shove them off. Karma may bite me, but IDGAF.

BL
BL
  Leah
June 18, 2021 10:42 am

Why?

Leah
Leah
  BL
June 18, 2021 9:35 pm

Because they aren’t addressing the heart problems that our youth seem to be getting after taking the jab seriously. The “emergency meeting” was announced last week. Now, the topic is going to be brought up in BAU, next week.

I would bet my last dollar that if any of these douche canoes had “emergencies” or even real emergencies happen to their loved ones, they would be on fire if they were told they had to wait 8 days, and then yet another week.

I really hope no other heart issues occur between now and then.

BL
BL
June 18, 2021 10:05 am

Again redirection, the real culprits are the owners. They don’t give a damn about kneegrows or what they want. Stop letting talking heads keep you from pointing your finger in the RIGHT DIRECTION.

Stucky
Stucky
June 18, 2021 10:17 am

I am looking forward to a Mayteenth Federal Holiday …. when we celebrate the End Of Free Shit for Kneegrows.

BL
BL
  Stucky
June 18, 2021 10:21 am

I’ll take as many holidays as TPTB gives us, I welcome them no matter what trumped up shit they are to celebrate. BTW, there are FAR MORE white free shitters on the dole in Merika.

falconflight
falconflight
  BL
June 18, 2021 11:01 am

They aren’t free or holidays for businesses, they pay for that lost revenue. Bank (Federal) holidays are paid for by the people.

BL
BL
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 11:36 am

FF-So? The Fed can print up the money to pay for it at the same time it prints up the 2 BILLION for NASA to make CGI cartoons, If the banks, post office and government offices are closed, (and all kneegrows take the day) why should we work? What am I missing?

If you want to play the butthurt white boy and go to work, go ahead. You’ll be our crusader. I’ll be at the lake fishing and enjoying life , same as Da kneegrows.

falconflight
falconflight
  BL
June 18, 2021 11:49 am

All of that comment is mental drooling. Gov’t workers are getting a paid holiday, for the private sector, prolly not.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 9:31 pm

Celebrate June 19th as rosenberg couple’s execution day.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Stucky
June 18, 2021 4:58 pm

I personally wish we would have a .30-06 Springfield Day. Oops, my bad! We already do.

Yahsure
Yahsure
June 18, 2021 10:34 am

This Reminds me of when AZ Governor Mecham tried to get Martin Luther King day celebrated on a weekend and people screamed he was a racist when he was trying to save the state millions of dollars.

BL
BL
  Yahsure
June 18, 2021 10:45 am

Your state tax bill would not have changed, the criminals would steal whatever amount he claimed to save, stop being a sucker and take the day to ENJOY your life. Nothing is more important Yashure.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
June 18, 2021 10:43 am

I have no problem with this being a holiday. It’s the timing that’s bullshit. TPTB are playing games. They know the mood of the country is fragile right now. I remember learning about this as a kid in my Texas public school. Wondered then why it wasn’t a bigger deal.

Also…the name is a problem, and TPTB know it. They know EXACTLY what they’re doing. Why not call it Juneteenth Emancipation Day? Seems more appropriate.

falconflight
falconflight
June 18, 2021 10:54 am

Columbus Day dead but Juneteenth? We no longer celebrate any of the “american” holidays. I can pine about the past any day of the week.

BL
BL
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 11:47 am

Columbus Day was a joke anyway, I’m sure some kneegrow actually discovered this land WAY before Columbus. Just wait a while ,we will have MAGOOMBA DAY to celebrate the African who was first to our shores.

Guess what?? I’ll take that fukkin day off too.

falconflight
falconflight
  BL
June 18, 2021 11:50 am

Otay

SKYKING777
SKYKING777
June 18, 2021 11:16 am

I read this for the cutting and current information about a number of important subjects- not to have a few people engaged in a back and forth “dick measuring contest” to see who is right and who is wrong. That is childish and worthless information to read. Take that fight outside and don’t bother us with your personal fight. So SS contributes something worthwhile instead of multiple swear words that belong to longshoremen and contribute nothing to the current conversation.

falconflight
falconflight
  SKYKING777
June 18, 2021 11:33 am

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BL
BL
  falconflight
June 18, 2021 11:56 am

FF- Do you remember Billy who posted years ago? He loved to use that gif and crack us all up. I think of Billy when I see that. I really miss Billah’s wife too.

falconflight
falconflight
  BL
June 18, 2021 12:01 pm

Yeah, sure do. The spinning watermelon and bucket of KFC gif used to be my FB avatar years ago, before I ditched that cluster f.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  SKYKING777
June 18, 2021 11:56 am

You must be new. Don’t forget to check out TBP gift shop on your way out.

tangle
tangle
  SKYKING777
June 18, 2021 2:40 pm

Yep

Anonymous
Anonymous
  SKYKING777
June 18, 2021 9:50 pm

Now that’s funny right there!!

very old white guy
very old white guy
June 18, 2021 1:11 pm

America hasn’t been one country one people for a very long time.

Pablo
Pablo
June 18, 2021 7:52 pm

Ok, those who “serve” the citizen’s get another paid holiday.

For 13% of the population we have:

– MLK Day-Paid Federal Holiday
– Black history month the entire month of February (28/29) days
-Juneteenth- A brand new Paid Federal Holiday
-Kwanzaa- A Hallmark holiday
13%……………The Math does not add up…reverse Apartheid………..

Stucky
Stucky
June 18, 2021 9:19 pm

For anyone interested in advanced maf …. Stephanie got 308 down votes in this thread.

Another 320 or so and she’ll break MY record.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Stucky
June 18, 2021 9:23 pm

Maff be my gud subjet.

BL
BL
  Dutchman
June 18, 2021 9:32 pm

Maff be to hard , but I do know she passed SSS’s record. Give it up for SS…..(clapping and whistling).