Be honest (heh heh) Is it ever ok to lie? If so, when?
Do tell, if you wish, of an instance in which you felt the need to lie. ( Feel free to post this anonymously under a different avatar)
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When your wife (not my wife) asks if she looks fat in that dress.
Last girlfriend asked me that question. I took the 5th. It was the beginning of the end.
Thank you for your service.
Tempted to give you my first down vote ever, but I won’t. I for once would prefer to be told the truth.
That’s just sick.
Anywhere ya shove it becomes a place to put it. She’s (It’s?) a peen-cushion. Just have her stand on a plastic tarp, pour a quart of 10W-40 over her head, and have an entire frat house pork her simultaneously – in the wrists, the cankles, the neck, the knee dimples . . . she does have nice skin, though (the entire acre of it).
“I wash my self with a rag on a stick…”
That’s the most understated comment I’ve seen – you English or something?
Poor people. Really, I mean really, poor people. It’s said some people have issues with their thyroids or some other health issue. Who knows the “truth” straight across the board? Use to be an all you can eat place on the Arkansas side of Texarkana. In 2004+- some distant family members asked if I wanted to eat there with them. Several of the family were in the 300lb +- range themselves. $14 , they raved, all the shite you can eat. I severely lost my appetite noticing those patrons at that restuarant filling their plates 6″ tall then went back for seconds. Never know, gluttony or some health issue. If people want to be a fat ass, be a fat ass, it’s a free country. Some may have issues out of their control. Just saying.
My wife is constantly asking me if something looks “stupid”, typically her shoes or a scarf. My tastes are known to be completely different from hers so I take this as an indication she thinks it does not look right. I take a moment to look at her outfit and if it looks OK to me, I say so. If it looks a bit off, I don’t say anything and she changes.
On a wedding date with a super nurse, she said that I never compliment her and she gestured to her lovely dress.
Just then a seagull shit all over her dress, Maine seagulls can do that. What a smelly mess.
I said cheerily, “Your dress looks great, except for that bird shit.”
“Stupid” is an odd choice of words, since the inanimate objects are incapable of intelligent thought. Does she mean that it makes her look stupid? Stupid that she put it on, thinking that it might look good on her?
“Ugly” versus “pretty” might be what I would choose. But then again, unless we are going to a party, I don’t really care. And even for very few parties I care. If it keeps me warm, is clean, smells good, and has no holes, that’s already 95% of the battle.
I don’t now why she uses it, but she does. She is a perfectionist when it comes to her public presentation. When we had the lake house, she would not go out until hair was fully fixed and make-up applied. The good thing is she always looks beautiful, even at our advanced ages.
Speaking of shoes, I’ll say this, while my wife does not own a pair, the ULTRA HIGH high heals, whatever they are called, simply look “stupid” to me. I don’t know how women , or perhaps transvestites walk in them.
Then again, “fair and balanced”, I suppose some ladies find it “stupid” looking some bubba like I typically see around these parts wearing jeans so tight they cannot prevent the top 3-4 inches of their ass showing. See them frequently at Wall Mart. Just being “honest”. Buy a pair of jeans that cover your crack, you’ve obviously put on some pounds since those you are wearing “may” have fit properly at one time.
My ex called those spike heels “come fuck me heels”. She did not wear them
“They” just look out of place to me. But that’s just me.
I jokingly told a friend at the bar, after he asked what my wife was doing these days, that she was still kick-starting the Boeings at Heathrow. Problem is, I said too loudly, she overheard and I spent the rest of the weekend in the doghouse on the couch! But that was years ago – now I spend all the time on the couch! 🙂 She’s South African you know – and lives up to the image of the female being the most lethal of the species.
“Its not the dress that makes you look fat, Honey.”
“Its the fat.”
“Honey?”
“…Honey?”
It’s a bad habit.
If you feel like you can’t tell the truth about something you can either deflect or remain silent, both work.
Is “I don’t remember” considered a lie?
Depends on what your definition of “IS” is.
Not to the Clintons.
One lie requires another lie to cover up the first lie. Pretty soon you are stumbling all over the lies trying to figure out which lie you told to cover which. I don’t ask my husband questions that I don’t want the answer to🤣
That said, I can honestly say that I have been guilty of lying.
I foresee some scripture quotes upcoming in this thread.
MC, OK, I’ll start. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. There, now go and lie no more!
I don’t know of any scriptures about lying except to not bear false witness against someone. That is more of an admonishment to not lie in order to place blame. To tell someone they look fine when in fact they look anything but fine hardly rise to that threshold. I don’t think anything can be gained from telling someone that you think they are ugly as homemade sin and no amount of makeup or nice clothes will make them presentable to polite society.
There are many verses about lying, esp in the book of Proverbs. Bearing false witness, as stated in the ten commandments, means when you go before a judge you must not misrepresent the truth in any way.
Scripture gives us the example of Rahab hiding the spies and lying about it. That lie saved their lives. There is no commentary in Scripture condemning her for that lie, however, I don’t believe that the silence is an endorsement for lying, as the rest of Scripture condemns lying. Therefore, I think that it may be OK to lie *to the enemy in wartime,* but otherwise it is entirely unethical to lie.
Revelation 21:8 is definitive of what happens to all liars.
I try to remember to take my blinders with me anywhere I go so as not to accidentally “see” someone with peripheral vision.
“Speak not with forketh tongue, lest I have to spite thee. Don’t make me come down there.”
2 Levi 10:14
2 Opinions 3:16
This one gives me chills because I believe this spirit of evil has been loosed upon the world in judgment for the evil which is flourishing while all that is good is demonized.
There are lies; and then there are LIARS.
One of my Mother’s favorites I recall as a child…
White lies to spare someone’s feelings are quite different than lies
Done for gain or to hide evil.
Telling a homely girl she looks pretty will be something she will
cherish forever. It’s great kindness.
I constantly tell my children to be kind and when you have nothing nice to say, just keep your mouth shut.
The haven’t taken my advice to heart yet. Sigh. At least they are honest.
Or, in common English? Lord, shut my mouth!
Careful. The Lord owns a pneumatic stapler, a riveting hammer, and a plasma arc welder.
The best lies are those told embellishing a story from long ago.
I suck at stories, because I refuse to do that.
They aren’t quite lies if there is a kernel of truth in the story.
Just because that striper wasn’t quite 50 lbs. caught
on 10 lb test doesn’t diminish the fact you caught a
nice 20lb. fish on 30lb braid.
😉
To be truthful, he was only 17#. The guide wanted to throw him back because I foul hooked him near the dorsal fin. Of course, hooked in that manner made him seem like a 50# and there you have the story.
They do seem YUUUUGE when foul hooked in the side.
And 17# is what I fish all salt water on unless I’m after tuna.
I have landed 100lb. + tarpon on 17# and that’s no lie. It all depends
on the reel. Shimano Calcutta and Strada have never failed me. Nor has Fin-Nor.
They are crushingly expensive, however.
I am constantly being lied to by the government, the news media, the medical establishment, the financial industry, and a whole host of others for their own benefit.
I do not feel one bit guilty of lying to them for my own benefit.
Agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately, that is the one of the govt favorite tactics, to get you in a lie to them, any lie, no mater how small, and throw the book at you for false statements to them. Better to not answer their question(s) if you intend to lie about it. No comment or, if the situation warrants, plead the 5th.
Knowing what I know about the vax, last month I attended the memorial of a friend’s 44-year-old son who died in his sleep less than a week after his second jab. It was very awkward in that I’d certainly never hurt him by bringing up the known lethality of the shot yet feeling guilty about not saying THIS is what in all probability killed Thomas and THESE are the people responsible for it. Strange days indeed.
Good for you for not bringing it up though. Not every truth must be said out loud, especially if hurtful. Maybe there will be a later point in time when it will be more appropriate.
They know the truth deep down.
You laying it bare would not have been kind.
You did right by remaining silent.
That isn’t lying.
Is this question for regulah people or government lackeys?
If a government lackey’s lips are moving, they are lying and feel extremely justified in their lying. They however they expect you to be truthful in all dealings with them….REALLY? We may need to rethink this.
Regarding regulah people, if it avoids hurting someone, maybe. The Good Book says to tell the truth, so I’m guessing that the government does not read the Good Book.
I used to lie occasionally when I was younger, and I haven’t lied in 10 years or so. I find it much better to either deflect or not answer the question.
I’m all in favor of Saint Nicholas, feasting, and gifting loved ones. But it never even crossed my mind to tell my son that there really was an immortal fat elf who dressed in red, and lived at the North Pole.
Hope that doesn’t make me a bad Christian.
Interesting little article about popular lies which most of us probably do not consider lies. The blurb about lying in self-defense at the end (now that I put it there) is worth a scan.
Otherwise? NO COMMENT
The 20 Most Popular Lies We Tell Every Day
https://www.lawyersmutualnc.com/blog/the-20-most-popular-lies-we-tell-every-day
Personally, I always go to the words of my favorite author, Mark Twain …
– If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.
– Carlyle said ‘a lie cannot live.’ It shows that he did not know how to tell them.
– One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives.
– A man is never more truthful than when he acknowledges himself a liar.
– Of all the animals, man is the only one that lies.
– A little lie can travel half way ’round the world while Truth is still lacing up her boot- Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
-The Bible has noble poetry in it… and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies.
-Look at the mother of Washington! She raised a boy that could not tell a lie–could not tell a lie! But he never had any chance. It might have been different if he had belonged to the Washington Newspaper Correspondents’ Club
I have never told a lie in my entire life.
So, it should not be surprising how I feel about Liars. You people are the worst. If you lie you are a scumbag, piece of shit, amoral monster, who deserves the torments of hell for all eternity.
I hold a strict literal interpretation to Revelation 21:8 below (emphasis, mine);
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. “
Bottom line: you lying scum here on TBP are FUCKED!! Come quickly, Lord Jesus!
I believed that!
Your Scripture reference uses the word sorcerers, pharmakeus in the Greek, meaning a druggist, pharmacist, poisoner, or magician. These also shall take part in the lake of fire.
I believe everything Stucky says cuz he says he doesnt lie and dont you believe everything that someone who doesn’t lie says?
And I believe everything Joe Biden says since he’s de President and they dont lie either. So Stucky is the same as Joe Biden!
Stucky, sometimes I think you are a deep, profound philosopher, and other times I think you fell down and hit your head.
I think that Ayn Rand said it best about lying:
“People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all.”
JimN, this quote is the type of thing that I had in mind when making the comment that follows yours. When we are hesitant about being honest because of PC or otherwise, we are not being true to ourselves or to our reality. When you surrender your reality, you must keep up the charade so as not to blow your cover. How can we build good relationships when the person who we present to others is not our true self?
Political Correctness has taught people to be touchy about hurting someone’s feelings. Of course we should be sensitive to others, but PC causes people to be less than truthful on so many levels. It spills over onto personal relationships. Personally, I’d like an honest answer when I ask someone a question. How do you build relationships without honesty?
Agree. I like to know where I stand with people. Not a fan of fake people.
when life depends upon it..
Good point. Good tune.
Honkety Honk!
“Honey, do I look fat in this dress?”
“Well, do you want me to blow sunshine, or give you an honest answer, babe?”
“Just answer the question.”
“Well, first, let me ask you a question, …when you last stepped on a scale, what’d it say?”
“Oh, that I’ve recently lost about 5 or 6 lbs.”
“Well, punkin’… No offense, but that’s like throwing a chair off the deck of the Queen Mary.”
…for that humorous (i thought) honesty, I was sporting a lump on my melon for about 3-4 days.
I have a neighbor who is kind and helpful and also a compulsive liar.
Is it lying if I pretend to believe his lies? At least I don’t need to remember anything he says, because referencing former lies short circuits his brain, so I don’t do it.
Compulsive lying is a serious mental disorder.
I means people lie when they don’t need to.
They just lie because they are compelled to.
Avoid this person. There are other psychoses associated
with this. Both Clintons are compulsive liars and they have murdered dozens of people.
SHORTER ANSWER:
I believe it depends on the motive of the liar. Real liars lie to protect themselves or for gain. So I used to tell my kids never to lie in order to cover their ass or to make themselves look cool. In other words, be real and own your mistakes.
LONGER ANSWER (FOR ANY WHO CARE AND HAVE TIME TO READ):
As I have mentioned in previous articles here, I help out the ancient fossils at the local school bus garage by driving a school bus part-time. Four days a week I will transport junior high advanced math, band, choir, and orchestra kids. The schools have a system whereby on “A” days some of these students are dropped at different locations for the music shuttles; as opposed to “B” days.
Driving a bus can be repetitious. So much so it becomes quite like Bill Murray in the movie “Groundhog Day”. Each morning and afternoon there is a commercial choreography, if you will, dancing to the metronomic ticking of the clock. As I approach this intersection, the same adults will be waiting for the city bus that will round the corner to my right… exactly… now. Those plumbing trucks will be exiting that parking lot at this time, and this guy who is always wearing the same hat will be walking his Collie along that fence line at the same time every day.
So, in order to prevent boredom, I’m always on the lookout for things that are different – even the little variances and it keeps me always paying attention. In other words, I don’t miss much.
For two years now, I have been shuttling an advanced math student who is painfully shy. She is one of those “invisible” girls. The other kids sit towards the back of the bus and are constantly laughing and having fun. But this girl always sits up near the front by herself and just stares out the window. She has straight blond hair, never makes eye contact with anyone, and she doesn’t dress as stylish as the other girls. Honestly, I have never seen one student on the bus engage with her in any way.
So, one day, quite some time ago, she was sitting in the seat directly behind me and I said: “Hey you, right behind me, what’s your name?” She looked up at me like she was in physical pain and I could see her eyes in my student mirror and they looked like the ocean during a storm. She mumbled something that started with an “M” and I wondered if she didn’t have a stutter or some sort of speech defect.
I said: “Madeline?”
She shook her head and repeated her name. Now it can be hard to hear on the bus, but by reading her lips in the mirror I guessed right: “Madison?” and she nodded in agreement.
So, then I said: “Madison, I forgot, is it an A or B day?” and she said “A”.
Now, I really didn’t forget. I knew it was an “A” day because that’s my job. After all, I would be a pretty incompetent bus driver if I dropped the kids at the wrong school on any given day, ya know?
But, in truth, I utilized deception in order to get her name. This is because, now, every Monday through Friday during the school year, at least one person will be acknowledging her existence and saying her name. Me.
“Hi Madison! How’s your day?”
Or “Have a great afternoon, Madison”
Or “Whassup, Kiddo?”
Or “Take it easy, see ya tomorrow”.
Of course, I don’t overdo saying her name so as to not creep her out, but just enough. Always a “hi” and sometimes with her name. I see you. It means you exist.
You’ve a kind heart!
Like the old saying; kindness is a language the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
Thank you. I don’t know what is going on with this child, but I remember behaving very similarly at times for causes I won’t get into here. I have always thought of people like you as true life angels.
Thank you for being kind to that girl. Something has made her feel isolated and alone. You’re not just driving a bus, you’re doing God’s work.
I was that girl, way back when.
She will never forget you and the kindness you showed her.
She may be autistic, or have some other mental issue, or just be painfully shy,
but your kindness eases her constant fear.
Good man.
I don’t know — but, is telling the truth the opposite of lying? Not sure … but I believe it is …
If so, then a friend of mine from law school had an interesting take on The Truth: Never use the truth as a bludgeon … as an offensive weapon … to hurt someone …
I’ve always considered that to be very good advice …
Whenever I damn well feel like it and for any reason.
And if you don’t like it, you can’t handle the Truth!
When you are running for President.
“Be honest (heh heh) Is it ever ok to lie? If so, when?”
From reading the Old Testament it seems the Jewish were ok with lying.
Revolt.
Well “absolutely never” is not the correct answer.
When I think about the extremely rare times where I do regret not to have lied,
it was when a SYSTEM used my honesty against me – especially when it was clear the consequences to me were very limited or zero long-term, if the other side had accused me of, or even proven me lying. And if that system was massively acting in an immoral way, to the best of my understanding, it would have been best to help gum it up with a [limited] lie.
I was raised believing a man is only worth as much as his word. I remember my uncle telling me if your word ain’t worth shit, then neither are you.
That being said, it is not always the easy road to take.
Any time you are dealing with the gooberment
I lied on the Census questionnaire. I’m not actually an unmarried black woman with 8 kids living at home.
If it made Stevie happy with me, I certainly would
Whenever dealing with the government.
On everything, no matter how trivial.
And never be consistent.
This is an application of the old GIGO theory; Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Any profile the government is making will be riddled with inconsistency.
Truth or Lie?
Nice one Stucky – thanks for the laughs. But, hold on, I did an article on this not long ago – that’s my answer: