Submitted by mark
All of a sudden, Putin and Russia began massing troops on the Ukraine border. What’s his motive? If you watch the main stream media or even Christian media you get one answer. But if you read your Bible, you realize Putin is AFRAID of something.
Watch this episode of Last Days Breaking News with Nelson Walters to find out what Putin is scared of and how it relates to prophecy.
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I gave it six and a half minutes and I heard nothing we don’t already know. I wanted some Gog and Magog stuff, but bupkes.
Iska,
Oh thee of little patience…you missed the lead in by 90 seconds…
Why do you need to know who is Gog and Magog? Is it Russia, or Turkey or Europe or the USA. Is Gog a man, a demon or a country? There is so much confusion in the church about this topic. Do we determine ancient prophetic countries by means of the where they were once located or by means of where their people migrated to. These are all big questions. If you are not looking in the right location you might miss what is happening right in front of you.
In Germany, the prophecy of Alois Irlmaier is known. After WW2 he appeared in the yellow press and a court case. He foretelled rampant inflation, followed by a Russian invasion, stopped by a chemical attack by some kind of drones, flying out of Africa. “the yellow stripe” north to south of Europe. Afterwards, there will be three days of darkness, it’s highly recommend to stay indoors, because everyone outside gets insane and dies. Afterwards, all will be fine, oranges will grow in Europe. Today, the latter is interpreted as pole shift. Note at least the darkness is biblical/catholic, as Irlmaier himself.
Hello Mark. I’m somewhat hesitant to reply to Mr Walter’s video, because you posted it. I have a lot of respect for your posts on this site. But I feel Mr Walters is reaching in a manner that is fairly common at some Christian interpretive sites.
Occam’s razor offers a rule-of-thumb stating the simplest theory is usually the most accurate predicter of truth or outcome.
I think Mr. Putin merely wants NATO, with it’s offensive and defensive capabilities off his doorstep in the same manner that JFK (and the American public) didn’t want Russian offensive missiles in Cuba. This is not the first time this position has been brought up in comments here.
If Putin had not assembled a capable striking force inside his own country, and instead had merely voiced his objections, the retard-in-chief would be merrily signing the legal niceties for Ukraine’s membership in the Eastern European Oops I mean the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Gog and Magog will happen. But precisely who they are and when they will respond to the hooks in their jaw is not yet clear. One or more Christian commenters may have the right interpretation but I’m not convinced at this time.
I’m very glad Christians speak up on this site.
Hi PSBindy,
“I’m very glad Christians speak up on this site”.
Me too my brother…there are many here…we debate with one another all the time…as well as with non-believers…matter of fact one thing I thoroughly enjoy about TBP is the robust jousting.
It is not a place for the easily bruised or slow to heal/forgive.
I have a lot of friends here.
Great post…strong points.
I am consumed with the study of prophecy as it unfolds before us.
Walter’s is a master at making riveting, usually short, often controversial Christian vids.
I have learned a great deal from him, and tend to agree with him more often than naught.
His vids usually bleed into one another as the two above do…and I thought this subject is obviously timely.
I am not Pre-Trib…(Pre Wrath as is Walters – begining of the 6th Seal) nor pro Scofield.
I had to watch this and two more in the links before commenting so I’m not expecting too many serious comments from the drive by crowd who want instant rewards. I’m going to watch another link when I’m done here. Very good stuff and here’s one that is no surprise.
Schofield reference bible and pre trib rapture mukking up the waters again.
Minutes 16:00 to 18:30 cover the bulk of it. You’ve probably already seen it.
FLEA!
We are simpatico on both of those points my friend!
I knew your face was long on both those cases.
Some of my favorite TBP Christian posters here will disagree…but I hold them in high regard as to me of course they are important subjects…but should not divide us over the indisputable core of the Gospel.
Many of my current closest friends…who I study the Bible with weekly…are Pre-Trib. We have long agreed to disagree and don’t let it divide us.
How are you enjoying ‘The Gap Fact’? I find Pearl’s humor and wit refreshing. He makes me snort with glee occasionally.
It didn’t last long. I’m rarely ever able to put a book down once I start if it’s interesting so I was done in a day. I wish there was a pdf version so I could send it to people or even parts of it.
I got sidetracked and forgot the point. He shows how that bible changed the entire conversation about who Gog and Magog are in minute 16:00 to 18:30.
If it were just the pre trib rapture that schofield made popular it wouldn’t be serious but he introduced the foreign doctrine of Dispensationalism with it. A heresy from hell.
It goes to the heart of your title. “What They are NOT Telling Us”
and why.
Flea,
Check this out:
Gave it a quick survey, looks good. I’ll read it and take a break from walters.
The evidence for a pre Adamite earth is just too in your face obvious in the Scriptures and scientifically and common sense. I said scriptures not bibles.
Here is his opening statement.
“Michael answers:
The Gap Fact
The first chapter of Genesis records God’s creative works during six twenty-four hour days. But the first two verses record God’s work of creating the heaven and the earth sometime before the six days of remaking the existing planet that had fallen into a state defined as “without form and void,” apparently occasioned by Lucifer’s sin, also involving one third of the angels. So there is a time gap of undetermined length between the first and third verses of the first chapter of Genesis. Other passages in the Bible address this subject more definitively. Nearly every Bible commentary, whether ancient or modern, assumes the existence of this time gap. However, in recent years opposition has arisen to this historical Biblical doctrine. Modern opponents now call this wonderful Biblical fact “the gap theory” in an attempt to associate it with the “theory” of evolution.
This anti-gap theory is a new doctrine in the church that has come into popularity only in the last 40 years, corresponding to the decline in sound Biblical teaching and holiness. To not believe in a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:3 is not only contrary to clear Scripture, it is not in keeping with the historical positions of both Judaism and Bible-believing Christianity. There is no reason to reject the plain sense of Scripture on this subject except that which has arisen in modern times—a need to prove a young earth in order to deny theistic evolutionists a time frame for evolution to occur. Only those influenced by the “Christian scientists” have been led away from orthodoxy on this point. I will quote a portion of my book Eight Kingdoms.”
Howdy, Flea….
…..”so I’m not expecting too many serious comments from the drive by crowd who want instant rewards.”
I hear ya loud and clear.
I’m gonna go watch some of them now, although with so many comments I make just disappearing, I doubt that I’ll try responding much. To paraphrase what a guy I respect recently told me about his ‘anger button was broken…..he would go from calm straight to rage’
Thought he might have been talking about me, lol.
Just finished listening to a fifth one trying to get an answer out of him. Not sure if he knows who Edom is or Israel.
Mark, You might find this study of interest also…………
Thank you Rev6…I will get to it as soon as I can!
Getting ready to saw a few logs ZZZZZZZ.
Rev6,
Only had time for about 70% today…and had some interruptions but thoroughly…thoroughly…enjoyed her delivery…so far so good on her supernatural argument…to be candid I have not deeply explored that angle…so I am more than intrigued and appreciate the vid.
I am also open minded when it comes to prophecy because I have learned so much the last 7 years, since I retired and went into fulltime bible study.
I am long out of the 501 (c) (3) force fed Scofield watered down versions.
I will watch the rest ASAP.
Thanks
Glad you got to listen to some of the video. I’ve been studying prophecy since I came across Hal Lindsey’s book and though FB trashes that beginning, as if I don’t have a functioning mind – Hal’s book was just the spark that set my interest on fire for prophecy – 40+ years reading and studying anything I could find on the end times, prophecy, etc. well I have pretty much read it all. I kept some of the information and rejected a whole lot more. A lot of prophecy end time adherents have gone off the rails and down some bunny holes, IMO, along the lines of the Nephilim and aliens etc. Sensationalism – well that sells books now doesn’t it. I have personally rejected Michael Heiser and many others that a person would find on Sky Watch TV – I still pop in there once in a while to see how far off the rails they continue to go, again, it’s the entertainment aspect of the prophecy community.
Heather is a breath of fresh air when it comes to Bible study of the end times and prophecy. I ran into her through the comments section at a rapture site that was clearly unbiblical on some of the stuff they were reporting, but it was the interpretation of the day and people were running wild with it. Heather was the only one pushing back on what they were purporting and she gave a solid Biblical basis for her reasoning on why they were wrong.
I found her Youtube channel and started watching her videos – She also has some books on Amazon reasonably priced, and you can read most of what she has written as she has put her papers on academia.edu. She studies and shares what she has found and many times it has gone against what has seemed to be settled interpretation in the prophecy community. There have been many times I have had to stop and reassess what I have come to believe when she plainly spells out things she has found – it is very humbling and there have been so many times I have been amazed because I have looked at and studied this subject for so long, yet I missed what was, in hindsight, SO obvious. Goes to show we can all get caught in a trap of not looking outside once we think we know something. Heather has been blessed with the kind of logical mind and an almost photographic memory she connects the dots all throughout the scriptures. That’s the fun part for me when she relays why she has come to a certain conclusion and she lays the Biblical foundation of where she found it. She is like a kid in a candy store finding all these nuggets and then sharing them. When she has been wrong about something she quickly admits it and explains why she was mistaken. She did just do a complete study of the Revelation, go to her Youtube channel and hit the playlists, you will find it there.
Rev6.
Check this out starting at 16:34 on…interesting talk on translation traditions/error and who is Gog.
I’ll check them out and reply soon………..
Rev6
“A lot of prophecy end time adherents have gone off the rails and down some bunny holes, IMO, along the lines of the Nephilim and aliens etc”.
Check this out…fascinating…well done
Will watch and get back to you on this one too..
Rev6,
Finally finished your vid…enjoyed it completely!
Super bright engaging woman!
She obviously makes a strong case for Putin and none of the ‘Usual Suspects’ being Gog…as does Nelson Walters, it being a supernatural battle…led by the Anti-Christ, and I enjoyed how she backed up the Locusts Army references with other scripture references…and many horrific biblical descriptions.
Yeah she is really good in that she backs up her views with solid Biblical foundation. Don’t miss her other videos and check out her books at Amazon especially Ezekiel’s Temple and Daniel…….I’ll get back to you later on the videos you posted.
Rev6,
Don’t worry about it once you get this far back it is hard to find the link!
mark
I had commented but then page dropped and did not post my comment. Check out more of Heather’s stuff and compare to Walters………I think you will find him lacking in Biblical foundation……..
You might find this study of interest…………..
I’ve only listened to one of Nelson Walters videos, and it was one you had posted elsewhere. I’ll give this a listen, and the follow-up one posted by both you and the Flea.
PSB+indy had an excellent comment, and I mirror his opening statement. The core that remains important to me is an accurate determination of what Scripture tells……’saved by Grace thru faith’
I picked up the KJV, as I have said, when my dad died 22 yrs ago. For two years, I read daily-choosing to read instead of sleep. Never had even heard of ‘dispensationalism’ or ‘Schofield’ or ‘preterism’….and the list could go on.
I read it with a broken heart, trusting the Holy Spirit to guide me thru. (Originally shaking my fist at the heavens, bound and determined to prove it false) The path I was led down….was just ‘wow’. And the end was eerily similar to a much more studied man like GCP…..(I may have to return several times as this computer/site has already disappeared several comments I made at daybreak on Mr. Quinn’s article-nothing pisses me off more than to have them drift off into the netherland, lol)
Pre, mid, post was never on my radar, as the shadow of death can touch any one of us before the sun goes down today, ya know?
Having said that, the push that has burdened my heart is my ability to spot the enemies machinations! I reckon I just spent too much time in his camp.
ordo,
One of the reasons I spent so much time researching the Pre Trib, Mid Trib, Pre-Wrath, Post Trib timing question was during over 20 years in a wonderful church…all that was taught was Pre Trib…And not much of it…many were taken with the Left Behind books/movies, but when I researched the Pre-Trib premises on my own and explored its history I developed serious doubts.
It can be contentious. After I moved rural in 2012 and started attending a small rural church all was well until during a bible study on Revelation and I brought up some holes in Pre Trib…one woman actually lost it and screamed at me…I handled it with a smile…she ended up looking embarrassed.
Then I found out in a private conversation the Pastor had doubts about Pre-Trib as well…but he wasn’t going to voice them…and upset the group think apple cart. He just didn’t teach on it at all. Another Pastor there believed in Pan Trib…it will all pan out eventually. I’m not sure about that at all.
After everyone in that church masked up, got jabbed, and saw Roman’s 13 as an excuse to follow the demonic government and go Baaaa Baaaa it didn’t matter as I was out of there.
I like Walters…he can be controversial, but is always respectful, makes short extremely well done vids…but he is just one of many I follow…I believe in taking the best bits and pieces from everyone that I agree with through wide and deep research and study…and make sure the multiple sourced evidence is supportive for the position. I really like his method of using multiple scriptures to back up whatever his points are…and of course there is always the translation questions and the actual meaning of key words.
I am never dogmatic and can have my positions changed if the evidence proves me wrong…and that has happened to me many times.
This was originally posted on Chuck Baldwin’s site, found it on stevequayle:
https://russian-faith.com/people/its-official-american-christianity-apostate-n6521
72% argue that people are basically good
66% say that ‘having faith’ matters more than which faith you pursue
64% say that all religious faiths are of equal value
58% believe that if a person is good enough, or does enough good things, they can earn their way into Heaven
57% believe in karma
One part that I simply disagree with is this sentence:
[“‘Christian’ has become somewhat of a generic term rather than a name that reflects a deep commitment to passionately pursuing and being like Jesus Christ,” he states.]
It’s the ‘being like Jesus Christ’ part. All I can say to those that find themselves endeavoring to achieve this…………GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
Another one disappeared !! I’m gonna try one more time, but this is just ridiculous.
Tom Horn was talking about this stuff over 15 yrs ago, when I began going to his site it was ‘raidersnewsupdate’:
AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH: WELCOME TO THE HYBRID AGE — PART ONE
Headlines herald mankind’s entrance into the Hybrid Age with the newest advances in Human Enhancement. Recent examples include: “Chinese scientists create AI nanny to look after babies raised in artificial wombs,”[i] “In a First, Surgeons Attached a Pig Kidney to a Human, and It Worked,”[ii] “Elon Musk’s brain chip firm Neuralink lines up clinical trials in humans.”
the highest government and social think tanks in the world are currently focused on the timeframe of “2025 and beyond” as an event horizon, during which the first baby-steps in what has come to be known as the “Human Enhancement Revolution” will begin in serious fashion (behind which I see a demonic spirit in the form of a technocratic god and goddess [i.e., the acronym for “Human Enhancement Revolution” is “HER”]), quickly resulting in a technological, cultural, and metaphysical shift dominated by a new species of unrecognizably superior humans—those born of HER.
The term “transhumanism” has been given to explain how HER emerging fields of science, including genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, and synthetic biology, will radically redesign our minds, our memories, our physiology, our offspring, our physical appearance, and even perhaps—as Joel Garreau in his best-selling book, Radical Evolution, claims—our very souls.
How near is HER vision?
In their declassified December report, “The $100 Genome: Implications for the DoD,” the JASONs—an elite group of scientists who advise the U.S. government on matters of science and technology—instructed the Department of Defense (DoD) not to wait even twenty-four months before placing the highest priority on enhanced-human research, which could result, they said, in coming genotype and phenotype changes (make sure you give thought to that last statement). Genotype is the class to which an organism belongs based on the actual DNA that is passed to it from its parents—its INNER makeup—while phenotype refers to its physical appearance and behavioral characteristics such as size, shape, and pattern of movement—its EXTERIOR makeup. The recommendation from the JASONs to prioritize enhancement studies aimed at changing the genetic makeup of humans including the way we look and behave may seem, at least to the uninformed, as incredible for the near future. However, the JASONs understand that as HER technologies race toward an exponential curve, parallel to these advances will be the increasingly-sophisticated argument that societies must take control of human biological limitations and move the species—or at least some of its members—into new forms of existence. According to the JASONs, the United States and its military will fall “unrecoverably behind in the race for personal genomics information and applications” if they wait beyond 2025 to initiate this process.
mark…
I would recommend this link you posted by Michael Pearl to anyone wanting to get to the heart of the issue of the Gap between the first earth age and this the second earth age.
Really easy to read and covers all the bases.
Flea,
I will.
Flea,
Here is my take at this stage of my study/research/investigation of the Gap. I am no expert but find it fascinating, and I will continue to study it.
In 2015 I retired and went full time into studying/researching/investigating the timing of the rapture as Pre-Trib was all I was taught during the 22 years I was a Christian up to that point, and I had developed many serious doubts in spite of the ‘LEFT BEHIND’ book, movie, pulpit bombardment.
Fast forward a few years after dozens of books on all the accepted timings, hundreds of internet articles and videos, I found myself firmly in the Pre-Wrath camp (just after the 6th Seal opens) and I remain there today. I agree with Walters completely on Pre-Wrath.
He has many powerful vids challenging Pre-Trib and endorsing Pre-Wrath.
However, I never let that come in-between me and fellow Believers…and if the discussion becomes contentious I usually just drop it. All my close friends are Christians, and many are Pre-Trib. (However the ones not Prepping because they think they will escape persecution are foolish – and that is going to really cost them one day – and maybe spiritually as some I know…know nothing but Pre-Trib…I mean NOTHING. They will be ripe for deception if that modern day view is incorrect.
Anyway, the evidence of Pre –Adamites and their civilizations/structures are worldwide…I am fascinated by them.
I am all over the GAP for a lot of reasons…one of them being I don’t I don’t Moo and dismiss anything the herd universally believes and/or dismisses about anything.
I listened to part of this when alex jones covered it live midday yesterday.
The ONLY thing I know for SURE about this situation is that ‘we’, the little people, do not have all the facts about it. That can be said for almost everything going on in the world today. I do know that what I have seen does not match the narrative.