Doug Casey on Silver’s Many Uses and What It Means for Its Future Price

International Man

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International Man: Doug, let’s start with the basics. What makes silver useful and valuable?

Doug Casey: Throughout history, three metals have been used as money: gold, silver, and copper. All share the five qualities of good money—durability, divisibility, portability, consistency, and intrinsic value—but in different proportions. All three metals can be bought for the same reasons as well—each is a long-term store of value, a medium of exchange, and an interesting speculation, at least periodically.

Gold has always been, and probably always will be used primarily as money. Copper will probably remain an industrial metal. Silver falls neatly in between them both in price, the way it’s used, and where it fits into your investment portfolio. It can be viewed both as a way to save—like gold—and a way to speculate—like copper.

Of the 92 naturally occurring elements, silver is the most reflective and the most conductive of both heat and electricity. Those things make it a high-tech metal; there are new uses discovered for it almost every day.

You’ll recall that gold is the most malleable, the most ductile, and the most inert of the elements. Both of these monetary metals have “use” characteristics that distinguish them.

The economics of production are quite different for gold and silver. There are very few stand-alone silver mines that make money at today’s silver price. Most silver is only a byproduct of lead, copper or gold operations. Most of the gold mines in the world today are profitable; however, even when using “all-in sustaining costs,” which include everything from admin to prospecting to replace reserves and to site reclamation years in the future. In the past, most mines reported only cash costs.

To use the rough numbers, about 800 million ounces of silver and 80 million ounces of gold are produced annually. However, there also are no substantial inventories of silver in the world, and unlike gold, where most of the 6 billion ounces, which have been mined over the course of history, are still in existence and being stored somewhere.

The market dynamics of silver are very different from those of gold in a number of ways. One important consideration for a speculator is that silver is a much smaller market, partly because an ounce of gold is worth about 80 times more than an ounce of silver. When people get interested in it, it tends to move explosively.

International Man: While silver has monetary value, it is primarily an industrial metal. What are the implications?

Doug Casey: If the economy continues to slow down a lot, which I expect as we go into the Greater Depression, industrial metals are likely to get hurt. But silver has a few things that ameliorate that situation.

As I said, more high-tech uses are being discovered all the time, helping the consumption side of the equation. The fact that it’s mostly a byproduct of industrial metals means that as their production drops in an economic downturn, the production of silver will drop as well.

I’m much more bullish about silver than any other industrial metal—with the possible exception of uranium. At the same time, the fact that it’s a monetary metal is going to bring in a lot of buying from savers and speculators, further supporting its price.

International Man: During a gold bull market, silver tends to perform better than gold. Why is that?

Doug Casey: Although about 80 million ounces of gold are produced every year, new production of gold is really unimportant to its price. That’s because all the gold that’s ever been mined, the 6 billion ounces that I mentioned before, is still above ground. What influences its price is the desire of people to hold it—not the roughly 1.3% added to its inventory every year. Gold is almost unique in this regard.

With silver, however, there’s not a huge relative amount of inventory to deal with. I don’t have that number, but it’s basically about new mine production. Silver inventories are in line with other industrial metals—very different from the days when the US government alone owned two billion ounces, not counting the billions more that used to be in US dimes, quarters, halves, and silver dollars. In relative terms, everything about silver is small, and small markets by their nature tend to be volatile.

There’s another thing: For many years, silver has developed a lot of fans who see it almost as a religious icon. Maybe they’re people that can’t afford gold, but silver has always, for some reason, been viewed as almost a magical element by some people, mostly Americans. They’re much more fanatical than gold bugs (among which I have to number myself).

Copper is the third monetary metal. Ever since ancient times, we’ve had not only gold coins and silver coins but copper coins as well.  Most people are unaware that there’s no longer much copper in pennies. Before 1982, pennies were 95% copper and 5% zinc. Since then, they’re 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. It’s just a copper coating because copper’s too valuable to put into the coins; it is a subtle, but effective fraud.

In fact, it costs the U.S. government about two cents to make every zinc penny fraudulently represented as a copper penny. Of course, when all the silver went out of higher denomination coinage in 1965, the average American neither knew nor cared that what used to be 90% silver is now just copper clad with nickel to look like silver.

I’m sure that the penny and all other coins will go out of production in the near future. Even parking meters now accept credit cards—which are also on their way out. Pennies, nickels, and dimes are barely worth picking up. What can you buy with a quarter? Basically nothing. A silver quarter is worth about $4, however.

In fact, all metal coins are going out of production in the same way that paper money is, unfortunately, giving way to digital money. We shouldn’t call them “coins”; coins have value for the metal they’re made from. All we have today are tokens, officially ordained slugs.

International Man: Silver is prone to crisis-driven price spikes. How has this played out in the past, and how does it compare with the situation today?

Doug Casey: In the 1960s, there was a book, Small Fortunes in Penny Silver Stocks, written by Norman Lamb. It was very influential at the time. The book talked about the Spokane stock exchange, which no longer exists. It primarily listed silver companies—roughly 100 of them, in the Coeur d’Alene area.

In the book, Norman pointed out one silver stock, Coeur d’Alene Mines, which, during the great bull market from the early 60s to 1968, went from two cents to $20. A 1,000-to-one shot. Coeur d’Alene Mines still exists today, which is pretty unusual, because most mining stocks are burning matches.

Silver broke free from its government-mandated price of $1.29 and hit about $6 an ounce. You have to remember that for most of the history of the US, silver was price-controlled by the US government and at a fixed ratio with gold—about 17-1. That proved unsustainable, like all price controls.

Ratios between commodities—hogs to cattle, wheat to soybeans, you name it—are constantly changing with various supply-and-demand factors. The fact that its ratio to gold used to be much lower than it is today is not particularly a reason why I’m bullish on silver.

I’m bullish on it mainly because commodities are about the only area of the financial markets that haven’t seen a bubble, such as stocks, bonds, and housing. But I believe they will.

If we get the kind of precious metals bull market that I’m anticipating, mining stocks, particularly silver stocks, could do phenomenally well. We’ll see them move 10-1 as a group, with some doing much better. It will have been worth the wait.

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17 Comments
JimN
JimN
November 14, 2022 7:12 pm

Since the late 1960s the price of silver is cyclical. Price lows are in the nominal single dollar digits where the metal is priced into consumption and the approximate $50 level where it is nominally priced out of consumption. Above ground inventories of silver bullion increased every year between 2009 and 2019 and are historically high. Given those facts, it is difficult to understand why Doug Casey is bullish on the metal’s price but notice where his focus is: the silver miner stocks. Realistically speaking, that group of stocks is probably one of the most speculative vehicles in the investing world. I imagine that even Casey would acknowledge that, as a group, it is a crap shoot under the best of circumstances. To make and keep serious money in that group requires impeccable market timing; something most traders and nearly all investors lack.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  JimN
November 14, 2022 8:30 pm

Doug Casey and Porter Stansberry made me.a believer in silver back in 2011.
If I could walk back the time and choose differently.
Well, it is pretty to look at.

nonymous
nonymous
  YourAverageJoe
November 14, 2022 8:45 pm

Still more value than paper. I’m assuming you bought at 2011 highs? So you regret buying physical?

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  nonymous
November 14, 2022 9:32 pm

I’d have lost less buying gold.
I’d be ahead if I spent the money on I bonds in 2011.

mark
mark
  YourAverageJoe
November 14, 2022 11:05 pm

I-Bonds are investing is Babylonian Government Fiat/Digital Debt Instruments Joe.

Don’t feed the Beast.

You think buying Silver at the 2011 top was painful…put soon to be hyperinflated away digital (dead currancy walking) petro dollars into the massive Everything bubble headed for a flock of Black Swans all carrying giant pins in their mouths.

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The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  mark
November 15, 2022 2:31 am

You’re looking at this all wrong. Playing their game and beating them at it is how you hurt them. Buy low, bail high…then stop playing. That’s how ya fuck ’em.

mark
mark
  The Central Scrutinizer
November 15, 2022 9:26 am

Central,

What makes you think I’m playing their game?

Outside of some cash I’m debt free, live on a modest working farm, and out 100% of their Default Risk Ponzi Scam pyramid.

I have no counter party risk investments.

Plus I’m old, and a good part of my planning is for two generations after me.

I have been preaching what is below for years here, and have done it:

1. Water
2. Food/Food Production
3. Shelter
4. Essentials
5. Guns/Ammo – Training – Defense/Offense Capabilities
6. Medical
7. Barter
8. Community/Tribe
9. Communication
10. Plan B & C
11. Cash (It will work after a credit freeze, for a while, not hundreds they may outlaw them at some time).
12. Silver (pre 64 junk dimes, quarters, & 1 oz. American Eagles)
13. Gold (only if you have wealth, buy it in all values from 1/10 of an ounce to 1 oz.

Yea 12 and 13 may not be needed at first, but nothing lasts forever, including every single crash in history (what is coming is a controlled collapse) and if you don’t have real wealth, and have not completed 1 through 11 in depth you should not spend what you don’t have (wealth) on gold.

In my mind precious metals are not either or they are part of complete Prep…but after the top 11 are secured.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
November 14, 2022 10:12 pm

I’m waiting….but not holding my breath.

mark
mark
November 14, 2022 10:45 pm

DISCOVER WHY SILVER IS THE MOST UNDERVALUED COMMODITY ON THE PLANET

DISCOVER WHY THE PRICE OF SILVER WILL RISE TO THREE DIGITS AND COULD EASILY REACH FOUR

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IS SILVER GOING TO A NEW NOMINAL HIGH (ABOVE$50.OZ). THAT IS NO LONGER A SERIOUS QUESTION.

IS SILVER GOING ABOVE $100/OZ. THIS IS A CERTAINTY.

IS SILVER GOING ABOVE $1,000 PER OUNCE?

https://dynamicwealthresearch.com/news/the-world-discovers-why-silver-is-more-precious-than-ever

SILVER PRICES 100 YEAR HISTORICAL CHART

Interactive chart of historical data for real (inflation-adjusted) silver prices per ounce back to 1915. The series is deflated using the headline Consumer Price Index (CPI) with the most recent month as the base. The current month is updated on an hourly basis with today’s latest value. The current price of silver as of November 14, 2022 is $21.98 per ounce.

https://www.macrotrends.net/1470/historical-silver-prices-100-year-chart

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  mark
November 14, 2022 10:57 pm

I would love to see four figures. Not holding my breath, and what will a dozen eggs cost at that point….$100?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  MrLiberty
November 15, 2022 2:32 am

A day’s wages for a loaf of bread.

JimN
JimN
  mark
November 14, 2022 11:11 pm

mark,

I will say it yet again, “It is astounding how many people willingly display their ignorance in the public internet. ”

You’re shouting (all CAPS) and proving nothing. Notice how the 2011 price peak in your linked chart was at a nominal new high (not shown) but its deflated value was more than 50% below the 1980 high. You do understand what that divergence implies, right?

All commodities prices when deflated against gold are near 200 year lows; they are not near anything as regards highs. That’s a function of technological advancement: the cost of production/extraction is lower over time. If you need something remedial: only gold is constant – all else is a variable against it.

mark
mark
  JimN
November 15, 2022 1:12 pm

Oh haughty one,

I will say it yet again, “It is astounding how many people willingly display their smug haughtiness in the public internet.”

I am having a good day…and I’m not going to waste precious time trading insults or opinions with your ilk.

bucknp
bucknp
November 14, 2022 11:02 pm

I became a junk silver addict about 2010. Those old coins are stashed.

What I like to do now is dress like one using a metal detector and snoop around abandoned public places looking for old silver coin or gold stuff of course. Some locals will notice and say, “Who is that mysterious looking weirdo with the Geigor counter?”

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  bucknp
November 15, 2022 12:39 pm

The lake I fish at is 6 feet low due to the ongoing drought.
I have thought about a metal detector and going over swimming areas with it.

mark
mark
  bucknp
November 15, 2022 1:28 pm

Bucknp (and other TBP Midnight gardeners)

Midnight gardening tactic…buy hundreds of one foot rebar…and with a small hand held sledge hammer you can easily drive them into the ground…and keep any Geigor counter adventurers exhausted.

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mark
mark
November 15, 2022 1:10 pm

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The vast majority of Americas do not have wealth to purchase Gold, but just about anyone can start stacking Silver, even if it is just one coin at a time.

There is a good chance TSHTF is almost here as laid out by Admin’s latest 4th Turning thread. There is a good chance once the artificial suppression of the Silver market by the Banksters (most notably JP Morgan) Silver will become unattainable. That could happen as soon as the end of this year?

REASONS TO BUY SILVER? SAME AS REASON TO BUY GOLD

• Global markets in general are more risky than ever.

• Geopolitical risk is explosive.

• Inflation rates are at multi-decade highs.

• Inflation is here and hyperinflation will probably arrive at some point.

• The controlled collapse of the economy is coming at us/U.S. like a freight train. The 1966 Cloward/Piven strategy is in full bloom…those two traitors practically lived in the Obama Whitehouse. Money (Silver) outside the Banksters is a wise move.

• To remove some of your wealth from the Beast Babylonian banking system and put it in your hands through Gold to me is wise…and Silver is just as wise for real money as well.

• Physical silver also has no counterparty risk.

• Protection from devaluation.

• Every fiat (government decreed) currency has eventually gone to zero throughout history.

• The Petro dollar isn’t dying…it is dead.

• Silver has also been used as money for millennia – like Gold it is a store of value, unit of account and medium of exchange. On this last point, when TSHTF then Silver’s smaller value per unit of weight means it would be better suited to small everyday purchases.

Love my Pre 64 junk silver I have been stacking (with no premiums) since 1983…try buying some now, up to 45% premiums.

HOW FAR ARE GOLD AND SILVER FROM THEIR INFLATION ADJUSTED HIGHS?

• Silver is still to reach its previous highs – Silver is the only commodity still cheaper than 38 years ago and still to make a new nominal high. Gold has as well and truly surpassed its nominal high from 1980 of US $850. Whereas the price of silver is still some way off its 1980 high of US $49.50, when the Hunt brothers had basically cornered the silver market. Some would argue that these prices were “bubble-like” and not fair comparisons.

However the likelihood is that Gold and Silver will eventually reach bubble prices again in this, what I believe is the 3rd Precious Metal bull cycle/market of my lifetime. A general rule of thumb is that prices usually make extremes in either direction at the start and end of a cycle.

• Silver has even further to reach its inflation adjusted high. Gold has to rise to US $3,233.39 to reach its inflation adjusted 1980 high of US $850 – over 80% higher than the current price). Silver has even further to go. Needing to reach US $149.56 to match its inflation adjusted 1980 high of US$49.50. Just over 6.5 times higher than today’s price.

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However these numbers are using the much fudged government CPI figures that have been tweaked many times over the past few decades. (Liars, liars, pants on fire). With these adjustments and substitutions definitely are under reporting inflation. Using Shadow Government Statistics numbers we’d arrive at something closer to US $23,562 for gold and US $1090 for silver.

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THE GOLD SILVER RATIO: There is a useful indicator to follow that can help identify whether gold and silver are under or over-valued against each other. Therefore helping to identify the better times to buy silver versus gold.

WHAT IS THE GOLD SILVER RATIO? : The gold silver ratio is simply the price of an ounce of silver divided into the price of an ounce of gold. The resulting number shows how many ounces of silver it takes to buy an ounce of gold.
But the chart below is a simple indicator of the best times to buy silver or gold.

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GOLD VS. SILVER WINNER: SILVER! (Silver clearly has more upside potential. Regardless of whether that is measured against inflation adjusted previous highs or against gold with the gold to silver ratio).

As a Macro PM buyer I started stacking Silver in 1983 and Gold in 1999…. Both did amazingly well when I took profits.

I went back in during obvious big drops after their highs in 2011…but what is coming is obviously a collapse of international fiat, a 4th Turning, and my belief we are entering the Tribulation.

Holding some PMs is past being wise, the balance of Gold (if any if you have some wealth) Vs. Silver is an individual situation decision…but I believe owning PMs is deep into WISDOM.