Plants Have FEELINGS Also, Dammit!!

STOP eating them, you … you …. murderers!!!

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Plants have feelings too! : r/funny

Did you know that according to the Swiss Federal Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology, plants have basic rights?

I didn’t. And a piece in The Guardian and a BBC radio program, they have a point. Many scientists are arguing that plants are intelligent, may have emotions, and at least some philosophers believe that they have rights and are in a sense “people.”

So what are we supposed to eat? We can’t eat meat because doing so is cruel and unethical, and now killing plants is a bad thing. Even picking flowers unnecessarily hurts plants, so eating the poor things creates an ethical quandary.

If you were starting to polish your Veganuary halo, sorry, I have upsetting news, gleaned from a Radio 4 programme called Is Eating Plants Wrong?. Spoiler alert: maybe.

Plants, it explained, “can sense the world around them, learn, remember and engage in complex communication with the species around them”. Research suggests that pea seedlings can learn to associate a sound with the light they need and choose to grow in a particular direction as a result. They can also eavesdrop on each other and protect themselves based on what they “hear”. Sagebrush plants communicate to each other the risk of being chomped by insects and trees share nutrients through what Prof Suzanne Simard pleasingly calls the “wood wide web”; they do so more with trees they are related to than with “strangers”.

I have to admit, the science behind these assertions is fascinating, reminding me in a way of Nietzsche’s theory that the guiding principle of the universe is the Will to Power, or as a friend of mine in college argued, a “will to flower.” Nietzsche argued that there was an underlying principle to all things that impelled it to expand and master its environment, and that you see this at work in all living things. Clearly this “will to flower” manifests in plants as well as animals.

Just watch kudzu at work in the spring and summer. It will strangle anything around it in an effort to take over the world. The Will to Power is more than a survival instinct; it is what makes beings reshape their environment and strive to master it.

Well new discoveries indicate that plants “communicate” with each other. If not exactly like Ents, then in a something of a network that enables “decisions” to be made in order to thrive. Something more, it seems, than a simple stimulus/response by individual organisms. Some scientists see this as genuine communication, others as just the natural product of evolution.

Of course the same could be said of chimpanzees or humans, where brainpower is related to survival.

Do plants show intelligence? “Definitely, yes – I don’t see any problem with this,” replied one interviewee on the programme, putting me off my baked potato and raising fears about what the houseplants my son unwisely left in my care are saying about me behind my back.

It is a head-spinning indication of how much we still have to learn about the world. The really knotty question, though, is what is left for a would-be ethical eater’s lunch? Ethical fruitarianism – eating only the parts of plants that detach harmlessly, causing no damage – might meet the standards of the Federal Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology (which has ruled that plants have the right to be protected from undue harm).

But what could we eat in the UK at this time of year under that regime: nuts? Wouldn’t we be depriving squirrels? Lab-created meat is still at the experimental stage and costs more than a Salt Bae gold-sprinkled steak, but is roadkill allowed? I would say breatharianism – only “eating” air – is due a revival, but it is mad, dangerous and probably a cult, so no. Alternatively, we could fly in the face of decades of medical advice and stick to stuff with no discernible relationship to anything living: the Irn-Bru diet?

My last option: learn to photosynthesise. If they are so clever, perhaps plants can teach us.

Now obviously for the Guardian columnist Emma Beddington the concern for eating plants is a bit tongue in cheek; at least I hope so. But not so much for some ethicists and philosophers, as was made clear in the BBC program. The issue of the ethics of eating plants came up at 27:25 in the podcast of the show, and a Spanish philosopher discussed the ethical problem of eating plants.

Perhaps, it is suggested, than it is more ethical to only take the less vital parts of plants such as fruit (which do fall off, although is taking them a form of abortion?), nuts, or leaves?

In explaining the Swiss determination that plants should be afforded dignity and some rights, Florianne Koechlin wrote:

Philosophers and experts on ethics, but also molecular biologists and scientists, sit in the ECNH. We have tried to work out the ethical basis for attributing dignity to plants. Many questions were controversial, but in one there was agreement: plants should not be treated in a completely arbitrary way. Plants are living beings and must be respected for their own sake. Arbitary injury or destruction of plants is not permissible. The Committee could not agree on the meaning of ‘arbitrary.’ For some, this was the senseless picking of roadside flowers, for others—I among them—the massive and total instrumentalisation and industrialisation of plants. In my view, the ‘terminator’ technology (GURT technologies) and other methods to produce sterility with the exclusive goal of making plants available for the maximizing of economic profit of humans, as well as the patenting of plants, violate their dignity.

What to say? It is easy to argue the absurdity of the position, but making fun of a proposition is not the same thing as disproving the thought.

Which gets me back to that point about Nietzsche and why I thought about his philosophical musings upon reading and listening to the arguments.

One of Nietzsche’s metaphor for the struggle of life was the rain forest, which is not only fecund, but mind-bogglingly violent and competitive. About 80% of the world’s documented species live in the rain forests, and there is nothing empathetic about their relationships to each other. It is “nature tooth and claw,” but the competition is between species of plants as well.

In other words, nature is not especially concerned with the ethics of killing and eating things. Ask a Venus Fly Trap or any of the over 600 species of carnivorous plants, not to mention all the animals eating each other. If eating plants and animals is murder, then the foundation of all life is murder. Only the most basic beings live entirely off inanimate chemicals and light. Should we worship their ethical purity?

We needn’t embrace wanton destruction to accept the inevitability that living involves killing, and we simply can’t avoid killing if we want to survive as individuals or a species.

Can you tell I studied philosophy in my youth? Perhaps the proper response to all this speculation is simply to utter “bovine excrement,” since you will arrive at the same conclusion I did after 1200 words and a couple hours thinking and reading about this.

But occasionally it makes sense to step back and ask “why, exactly, do I think this?” Just as thinking too deeply about some things can turn the simple into the complex, thinking too shallowly can make you dogmatic and shallow.

SOURCE: https://hotair.com

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 19, 2023 8:12 am

Every living organism on Earth requires the death of something else for it’s sustenance. There are no exceptions.

Turning a fact into an emotional appeal about morality-absent God, curiously enough- is too confusing for any rational human to consider.

WDS
WDS
January 19, 2023 8:24 am

Animals have feelings, now it’s the plants. Has anyone bothered to ask if bugs have feelings?
Perhaps some woke entomologists could enlighten us.

A cruel accountant
A cruel accountant
January 19, 2023 8:36 am
BabbleOn
BabbleOn
  A cruel accountant
January 19, 2023 9:11 am

They sound like they “Inhale” too much.
Cut your grocery bill stop eating. Imagine the TP savings!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BabbleOn
January 19, 2023 2:42 pm

And all that co2!

ken31
ken31
  A cruel accountant
January 19, 2023 12:40 pm

From now on all I am eating is Gibb’s Free Energy.

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
January 19, 2023 8:39 am

Wow so now we need to be Petal-Phile’s?
My garden is a Holocaust scene.
The Green Bin has massacred remains.
My crisper in the fridge is Death Row.
The seeds I throw out to the birds is Abortion.
I am a Genocidal Maniac.
Who will think of the ground up Coffee beans? Those poor little beans.

RW
RW
  BabbleOn
January 19, 2023 11:56 am

Besides being a Genocidal Maniac, it’s obvious you’re also a vegecist! You don’t give a single thought to all the poor fruit that gets murdered! For God’s sake, man! What about peaches, pears, plums, apricots, grapes and all the other fruit? I’ll bet you’re also a berrycist and have never given a single thought to blackberries, strawberries, and all the other berries either! You monster!

Walt
Walt
January 19, 2023 8:48 am
Anon y mous
Anon y mous
  Stucky
January 19, 2023 11:34 am

I would not eat a vegan – Usually they are bitter.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
January 19, 2023 9:46 am

Don’t tell the Marijuana plants (especially the female clones)! That would fuck up the entire syszum!

VOWG
VOWG
January 19, 2023 10:12 am

Any “scientist” that tells me plant’s are sentient will get a swift kick in his/her not so sentient arse.

Simi Go
Simi Go
January 19, 2023 11:01 am

Cue the Gen Z brat smugly saying “I only eat Big Macs and fries cuz I saving the plants!”

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
  Simi Go
January 19, 2023 2:12 pm

I only get McDees Delivered by Uber. Cuz I’m saving the plants and the climate!
McDees squeezes the life outta oranges and bobs for my fries. Not me.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  BabbleOn
January 19, 2023 2:14 pm

No real oranges were harmed in the makings.

RW
RW
January 19, 2023 11:47 am

Doctor! Doctor!
Yes?
There’s an eggplant in my refrigerator and I heard it conspiring with an onion, a potato and a carrot. I think they’re planning to revolt and possibly kill me!
I see. So, tell me, how long have you been a paranoid schizophrenic?

Wildfire Watcher
Wildfire Watcher
January 19, 2023 1:55 pm

Well, we know the elite self appointed rulers have no feelings.
Would you recommend a gravy or a dipping sauce?

John in Indy
John in Indy
January 19, 2023 3:34 pm

If my usual locally available diet of meats, vegetables, starches, and coffee becomes unavailable due to the actions of these insane idiots, I may have to become a humanitarian, as there seems to be a surplus of non-productive vampires on the civic body.
John in Indy

George Constanza
George Constanza
  John in Indy
January 19, 2023 3:46 pm

A Donation to the Human Fund has been made in your name.

bucknp
bucknp
January 19, 2023 3:37 pm

Hell yes they have feelings and peeps that have feelings for them zoned way out years ago on Orange Sunshine. Maybe shrooms, something.

GW
GW
January 19, 2023 6:58 pm

How do plants have emotions in the absence of a brain or even a nervous system? Inquiring minds want to know.

Doug
Doug
January 19, 2023 7:53 pm

There There stucky;; Calm down. Try a shroom. They don’t cry out….

bucknp
bucknp
  Doug
January 21, 2023 12:45 pm

I gathered some edible Lions Mane mushrooms ,not a magic shroom yet they cried out, “please don’t sauté us”.

Shut up, you are destined for my belly.

DFJ150
DFJ150
January 19, 2023 8:34 pm

Hey vegans, my food eats your food.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
January 19, 2023 11:33 pm

I don’t know about intelligence but there is something going on. Cleve Backster was onto something but I’m not sure what.

Muscledawg
Muscledawg
January 20, 2023 6:34 am

s

o eating the poor things creates an ethical quandary.

No it doesn’t!! Bon Appetit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2023 3:54 am

Read “The Secret Life Of Plants”. Yes, they are sentient. And, the nature of this world is life eats life. Deal with it. Alan Watts said – “Honor your food”. That is all you can do. Hence, the Christian tradition of saying grace before each meal.