Pushback: The Folly Of Ukraine

Guest Post by Karl Denninger

It was only a matter of time before our so-called foreign policy turned into a serious problem with someone who can punch back.

For decades the United States has arrogated to itself the capacity to tell other nations who they should have as leaders.  Who must run said nation, and who may not.  The alliances that are to be coddled, and those that are forbidden.  This is preposterous, of course, in that national sovereignty is precisely that, yet we have for decades believed we have the “righteous authority” to issue such diktat.

The CIA has toppled some 50 governments over time.  Some more-or-less openly, some on the down low.  Iran is an infamous one that ultimately blew up in our face.  Deciding that the Iranian government was unacceptable because it expropriated the property of a British company, not even a US concern, we interfered, toppled the government and installed the Shah.  This ultimately led to the Iranian revolution and the seizure of hostages at our Embassy, never mind a whole bunch of other terrorism.

We are very anti-narcotic and anti-serious drug — except, of course, when the use of the money generated suits us.  Then its “oh well” or “oh, that’s sad”, even if the people that die from said drugs are in the United States, and they often are.  Oliver North and the cocaine trade that was at the center of Iran-Contra anyone?

The United States was the initiator of events that led to the war in Ukraine.  We were fully behind the overthrow of the government there back at the time of Maidan less than a decade ago.  Said government was incorrigible, but that’s none of our business, right up until it apparently is and someone gets a wild hair in their backside about where someone’s using the money — or really, really likes the idea of being able to launder some as a US interest.  Anything that gets in the way of that is, of course, unacceptable.

But for Maidan there would be no war in Ukraine.  But for our continued attempts to do what we did with Turkey and missiles right near Russia there would have been no Cuban missile incident either.  Yes, that was a crisis, but it was our making — not the USSR’s.  Would you sit back and let some foreign nation put nuclear missiles in Mexico within a few minutes flight time of LA?

Didn’t think so.

Fundamentally the Ukraine problem lies there.  Ukraine has always been an ungovernable cesspool; there are roughly four ethnic groups, all of whom hate each other, and one of them is essentially Russian.  The land itself is a trade crossroads that has served as such for over a thousand years, so that this occurred is not really a surprise.  The USSR delegated nearly all operating authority to the territory for this reason; Moscow simply didn’t have the desire to try to tame that which was always trying to bite from one direction or another, as they understood the only real way to make that happen would be to kill 3/4 of the population there or enslave all of them.

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20 Comments
Paleocon
Paleocon
February 28, 2023 9:31 am

Look at the unrest we are no doubt fomenting in Mexico against AMLO. Hungary’s Orban certainly has a target on him from our evil state actors.

McCain rots in hell from what he did in Ukraine. Nuland and Graham will join him.

ursel doran
ursel doran
February 28, 2023 9:34 am

Ukraine gets a GREAT historical review and a map of what now that is not going to kill lots of people.

No More Ukraines

Anonymous
Anonymous
  ursel doran
February 28, 2023 3:58 pm

Janet Yellen: U.S. Taxpayers Have ‘Moral Duty’ to Help Ukraine

Janet Yellen Makes ‘Surprise’ Visit to Ukraine, Announces Another $1.25 Billion in Aid

Cripes, is she short . . .

Man Confronts Pelosi in Cafe, Asks Why Billions Are Sent to Ukraine While There’s Homeless in Her City – WATCH

Orbán Warns Globalists: People will Rise Up and “Demand New Governments” if Ukraine War Continues

Ken31
Ken31
  Anonymous
February 28, 2023 4:28 pm

Satanic demons wanting to tell us Christians about morality… Is there a word for this?

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  Anonymous
February 28, 2023 10:03 pm

Yellen sure is acting presidential. What’s up with that? Could she be in the slot for the Presidency?

Larry Maier
Larry Maier
February 28, 2023 10:32 am

During the cold war the USSR and CCP were actively subverting and/or trying to overthrow by revolution multiple 3rd world nations. Were we to stand by until we became the last free nation? As for Ukraine, the CIA may have supported the Maidan movement. It could neither have paid nor produced the several hundred thousand Ukrainians who braved sniper fire and stood in the Ukrainian winter for months to show their opposition to their government. When murder failed their president fled to Russia of his own volition proving the protestors’ point. This article is just more of the Russian propaganda which this site seems to favor. Presenting both sides is laudable. Acting as a mouthpiece for an adversary is not.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Larry Maier
February 28, 2023 10:41 am

Please, make sure to vote harder, get your booster shots and get those digital limited editions of near gold embossed trump warrior memes for family and friends, before they are all gone.

Larry Maier
Larry Maier
  anon a moos
February 28, 2023 2:57 pm

Nice ad hominem, but how about some reasoned arguments to refute what I wrote?

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Larry Maier
February 28, 2023 3:13 pm

Maybe if you’d been following along then you’d know why what you posted was just about as stupid a statement as could be made. Do I need to repeat in detail what you already pointed out, that this site seems to support russia, and then characterized it as as russia russia russia propaganda. Its BECAUSE people here seee thru the US propaganda bullshit, moran

This is a free speech site and I’m pretty certain it doesn’t take sides, and most here are open to actual exchanges of opinions. But, when someone wades in waving the patriotic flag and touting the ukies braving sniper fire and endured harsh winter, you know immediately they are brianwashed media zombies. Noticed you didn’t refute my comment on supporting your golden soi boi regardless of what he does. Kinda like the kettle calling the pot black.

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
  Larry Maier
February 28, 2023 3:15 pm

Please, make sure to vote harder, get your booster shots

Anon a mouse uses this same tired ad hominem over and over again since he has little intellect and even less imagination.

brian
brian
  Dying Sun
February 28, 2023 3:36 pm

Its the only one douhebag trump supporters understand. Does that help you out a little maybe bring your level up a little?? braindead sun

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
  Larry Maier
February 28, 2023 3:09 pm

Presenting both sides is laudable. Acting as a mouthpiece for an adversary is not.

Good point Larry. I too tire of the “Hate America First” crowd. The U.S. has done some terrible things in the past, but we should remember that the same is true of other world powers such as China and Russia. On the other hand, that China and Russia have acted that way does not excuse the U.S. I blame our bad behavior on a power-hungry corrupt government.

brian
brian
  Dying Sun
February 28, 2023 3:41 pm

Maybe you could enlighten the crowd here today and list off the countries that China and Russia have destroyed and regime changed globally?? Since say the early 40’s and compare the lists against the US’s efforts.

Its always yeah we did a few bad things but but russia russia russia did even badder things. and china too, way badder. Us is so not as bad as the other two.

You are so stupid and have zero idea why the entire GLOBE hates the US. but vote golden soi boi, he’ll save yeah, and drain the swamp again.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Dying Sun
February 28, 2023 3:55 pm

brain dead in spades

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 28, 2023 10:51 am

We are very anti-narcotic and anti-serious drug

That’s so retarded I can’t believe he actually wrote it. I don’t think there has ever existed a country more passionate about drugging every single citizen in all of history, including narcotics and “serious drugs”.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  hardscrabble farmer
February 28, 2023 12:20 pm

We have had serious problems with “unserious drugs” and a war against “effective and inexpensive” drugs.

flash
flash
February 28, 2023 12:01 pm

“This is a problem and one we have no good answer to. Our government has threatened, including our Treasury Secretary (Yellen) that there will be “serious consequences” for China if they do this.”

I aint like an evil Bolshevik money changer has ever involved themselves in foreign affairs before….reeeeeeeee

Stalin’s War
Sean McMeekin

Why shooting Germans was US Treasury business was not
obvious. Nonetheless, that this was considered Treasury business
by summer 1944 is clear in the historical record. Somehow, in the
aftermath of the Allied landings at Normandy, which brought the
prospect of Germany’s final defeat in sight, a long-running policy
discussion in the Treasury on how to administer the German
economy after the war morphed into an open-ended revenge
fantasy. During the same meeting at which he and White spoke of
death quotas for captured Germans, Morgenthau also proposed “the
complete shut-down of the Ruhr [industrial area]” in terms clearly
designed to inflict maximum human suffering: “Just strip it. I don’t
care what happens to the population.… I would take every mine,
every mill and factory and wreck it… steel, coal, everything. Just
close it down. I am for destroying it first and we will worry about the
population second.… Why should I worry about what happens to [the
German] people?”3

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=58D31575B1F90D1F9525FA87C03A56DE

flash
flash
  flash
February 28, 2023 12:02 pm

A nation that doesn’t that doesn’t control it’s one currency creation is a no nation at all. What then ?

beau
beau
  flash
February 28, 2023 12:55 pm

no history, n0 common language and no border, then no nation.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
February 28, 2023 11:58 pm

In a world of technologically advanced asymetrical warfare by state and non-state actors, the folly of the Ukraine experiment will wind up shutting down the power grid in very many places or we’ll have “the whole enchilada” nuclear conflict because of the corruption, ineptitude and ultimately the almost unimaginable stupidity of most politicians and technocrats.