Doug Casey on Currency Debasement and Cultural Degradation

By Doug Casey

Debasement

International Man:  How instrumental do you think the debasement of their currency was to the eventual fall of the Roman Empire? How did it affect their culture?

Doug Casey: In ancient pre-industrial societies—just like today—you became wealthy by producing more than you consume and saving the difference.

One of the best things about money is that it allows an individual to set aside capital, the product of his labor, in a form that retains value. A farmer, for instance, can’t save fruit from year to year, nor can a baker save bread. Sound money is critical for lasting gains in wealth and economic progress. Sound money is why wealthy societies become dominant, and a reason other societies are poor and ripe for conquest and domination.

Rome provides a meaningful long-term template. The Roman government, in search of revenue, started debasing the denarius under Nero in the 1st century, taking it from 90% silver to 75%. As late as the reign of Marcus Aurelius, which ended in 180, the denarius was still about 75% silver. By the end of the 3rd century, it was pot metal that was simply plated with silver. The 3rd century was notable for numerous coups, civil wars, assassinations, and secessions. There are plenty of reasons political chaos goes hand in hand with economic chaos; they reinforce each other.

Roman coins weren’t worth saving by the middle of the 3rd century, and the collapse of the currency was a major cause of the collapse of the empire. In some ways, sound money was even more important in ancient times than it is today because they didn’t have sophisticated banking, financial markets, credit, accounting, or ways of measuring the rate of currency depreciation. Physical cash was king.

Currency inflation creates chaos, even in a relatively primitive economy like that of the Romans—where there was still a lot of barter. Once the rulers found they couldn’t depreciate the currency anymore, direct taxes went up substantially, but it became hard to collect them simply because the currency had no value. The soldiers didn’t like being paid with worthless tokens. This is why after the reign of Aurelius, the next century was a time of civil wars and general chaos. There was no new construction of roads or public buildings. Those who were able holed up at their country estates, which were internally self-sustaining. It was the beginning of feudalism, a foreshadowing of the coming Dark Ages. By the accession of Diocletian in 295, Rome had lost all touch with its republican roots and had become an oriental-style despotism.

Is Rome a distant mirror to today’s West? It’s entirely possible, even likely.

International Man: What parallels can be made today with the US in terms of monetary debasement and overall degradation?

Doug Casey: The parallels are very direct. We can just look at the pictures on the coins.

During the Roman Republic, the consuls didn’t put their images on the currency. The coins bore images of the gods, heroes, or personifications of various virtues. Julius Caesar was the first ruler who dared put his own image on a coin. It amounted to free advertising.

Caesar signed the death warrant for the Roman republic, followed by Augustus, his adopted son, who was the first actual Roman emperor. From that point until the end, all Roman coins featured the image of the current ruler.

In the US, we didn’t have a picture of a president on a coin until 1909, when Lincoln was deified and put on the penny; before that, pennies featured an Indian. All the other coins had allegorical images, as did Roman coins during its republic. After Roosevelt was elected in 1932, however, things changed. The coins all featured past presidents. Washington replaced a walking Liberty on the quarter in 1932. Jefferson replaced the Indian on the nickel in 1938. Roosevelt himself replaced the image of Mercury on the dime in 1946—that was a big step since he was so recently dead. Benjamin Franklin replaced Liberty on the half dollar in 1947.

Since Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson were basically mythical-level presidents, I suppose an argument can be made for their images on money—but it was unwise since they were really just politicians. And Lincoln had the nerve to have his picture placed on a $1 bill in 1861.

Kennedy replaced Franklin on the half-dollar in 1964. Replacing allegorical symbols, or long-dead founding fathers, with recently deceased politicians is a sign of degradation. We haven’t yet put a current ruler on the coinage, but we’re getting close.

Of course, gold was the first to go, in 1933, with the accession of Roosevelt. Then in 1964, all silver was removed from coins. Current coins look like silver, but they aren’t. It’s a subtle fraud, symptomatic of the entire US—and world for that matter—monetary system. Technically since, then, the discs you may have in your pocket are tokens, not coins. Coins have value in themselves; tokens have no intrinsic value. Then in 1982, the penny—which had been 95% copper and 5% zinc—was changed to zinc with a copper wash on it.

The trend of money has been negative since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, followed by World War I. Currency debasement and war underlie the ongoing moral and economic bankruptcy of the West.

The next step will be the removal of coins from circulation. Few are still worth enough to bother picking up from the ground. They’re no longer even useful in parking meters or video games. It costs three cents in metal to create a zinc penny and eight cents for a nickel. Both are entirely useless. But all coins are on their way out, to be replaced by digital currency.

This has interesting societal implications because kids won’t be able to collect coins anymore. It’s hard to save money digitally. Digits aren’t tangible, and kids like real stuff if they’re trying to save. Taking the physical reality out of money devalues the concept of money itself.

International Man: Much of the spectacular art, music, and architecture in recent history was created in times when the average person used gold and silver coins as money.

Do you see a relationship between the use of hard money and culture?

Doug Casey: There is a relationship. It’s perhaps not directly provable as cause and effect, but there’s a high correlation between junk money and junk culture. And it’s not just a question of arbitrarily changing taste.

During the 1950s, ’60s, and ’70s, older generations would sometimes decry rock and roll music. But the fact is, rock and roll music has stood the test of time. Why? It has melody, rhythm, and, in many cases, very poetic lyrics. Rock may be a step down from Bach, Beethoven, or Wagner, but it doesn’t make my dog leave the vicinity. But today’s popular music—metal, rap, hip-hop, and the rest—doesn’t even have a melody. It’s actively dissonant. The lyrics are almost all coarse and gross. There’s rarely any poetry or nobility of emotion.

The same is true of art. Much modern art is something that a chimpanzee can paint. In fact, a lot of it is just a scam, a private joke among galleries and critics who compete in bilking the public. The only good thing about most “performance art” is that it’s gone when the performance is over. I’m not a religious person, but it’s clearly a sign of decline when things like Serrano’s “Piss Christ” are considered art—and things have become even more degraded since. A lot of art is totally lacking not only elegance and nobility but has even less technical skill than Hunter Biden’s paintings. Of course, they don’t really count as art—that was just about overt bribery.

These things would have been met with ridicule and disgust before the 20th century. There is a correlation between the way a civilization expresses itself in art and the money that finances that art. I think it’s more than just correlation. This is even true of how people dress. It used to be that when people went out, they wore coats and a tie. Of course, styles change—but some modes of dress show respect for oneself and other people. Some don’t. Now all you see are t-shirts and torn jeans.

These are all symptoms of bad money. Crappy art, crappy music, and crappy clothes go along with a crappy culture and crappy money.

International Man: Today, countries around the world are inflating and destroying their fiat currencies at breathtaking speed with no end in sight. In countries with rampant currency debasement, we often see more lying, cheating, and stealing as people struggle to make ends meet.

Aside from the obvious financial consequences of the ongoing currency debasement, what social and cultural consequences do you see coming?

Doug Casey: As bad as debased currency was for the Roman Empire, it’s going to be even worse in our advanced industrial society, with its complex and often international supply chains.

If you don’t know what the real value of the money is that you’re selling something for, things start falling apart. The State is impinging on every area of society. Inflation may be the worst product of government, but taxes and regulations are almost as destructive.

In addition, the rewards for not working—in the form of welfare and soon guaranteed annual income—are so high that it’s going to discourage people that would otherwise be entrepreneurs or workers. It’s going to encourage them not to set up businesses and simply not to work. Frankly, it’s just one thing after another. Could the Covid and vaccine hysterias be the straws that break the camel’s back? If not, maybe the Global Warming hysteria will do the trick.

Western Civilization is being destroyed right before our very eyes, and I don’t think that trend is going to change until we reach a crisis—when things get so bad that there’s a revolution.

International Man: Let’s consider historical examples and the US today. Once currency debasement and the degradation of culture have established themselves as long-term trends, what are the chances they reverse?

Doug Casey: Trends in motion tend to stay in motion until they reach a crisis. Once they reach a crisis, it can go either way. But things usually get worse again, for at least a while.

Things might degenerate slowly into something like the Soviet Union or Mao’s China. Or maybe what’s left of capitalism and personal freedoms will be overthrown quickly. We can certainly expect no good to come out of Washington now that Americans seem to have elected genuine Bolsheviks to run their government. The old order was overthrown in France in 1789, and it got worse with Robespierre and then Napoleon. Things were terrible in Russia in 1917, but they got worse under Lenin and worse again under Stalin.

I think no matter what happens, we’re in for some really grim times

International Man: What are the investment implications?

Doug Casey: People should buy gold and silver and store them in the safest place they can think of—including in a stable political jurisdiction outside of your own. And learn to speculate because prudent investing is becoming impossible in the kind of environment that we have today.

We’re very much like Rome in the third and fourth centuries. But the decline is moving at an accelerated pace. Prudent long-term investment is no longer possible the way it was before. You have to think of everything in terms of speculation.

It’s unfortunate, but over the next 10 years, everybody is going to be forced to become a speculator just in order to survive.

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James
James
May 18, 2023 1:13 pm

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James
James
  James
May 18, 2023 1:14 pm

Hmmmmm…..,seems me images failing again,sigh……..

World War Zero
World War Zero
  James
May 18, 2023 5:56 pm

Yeah, it hangs with server not even responding. You may have exceeded a monthly limit as anyone visiting the page will DL a copy.

goat
goat
May 18, 2023 1:39 pm

And of course he tries his best to discredit current coin by exclusively talking about the penny. The current coin has been used as money for almost 60 years now and is a copper nickel based specie. He will also not tell you that the Roman first coins were copper (bronze) and that copper has been used as money for at least as long as silver or gold. The reason the coin is perceived to have no value is because people think the paper is the money, and it has no value, so the coin has no value (which is ass backwards). Never mind that the coin did have value for decades till the dollar was hyper inflated.
If you want to avoid economic armageddon or escape the cbdc slave trap, horde current coin now, and as much copper as you can find.
If you think coper isn’t worth something, try leaving a roll of copper wire unattended. If it wasn’t valuable, people wouldn’t go to such trouble to steal it.

i forget
i forget
  goat
May 18, 2023 2:42 pm

once lived in a small condo complex that had the un-caged copper main in the lawn, next to the road. awoke one morning to no pressure at the showerhead & a geyser into the street.

it was caged after that.

The Orangutan
The Orangutan
  goat
May 18, 2023 3:30 pm

Are American pennies still made of copper? Canadian ones haven’t been made of copper in over 20 years. Dimes haven’t been made of silver in over 50 years. I think 1967 was the last year of the Canadian silver dime. So, hoard all the coin you want, but make sure it’s actually made of a worthwhile metal.

goat
goat
  The Orangutan
May 18, 2023 4:12 pm

I take it you didn’t read the article? The penny is made of copper plated zinc. As I pointed out he talked about it as a way to discredit the rest of the coins, which are copper and nickel. Except for the dollar coins, which while predominantly made of of copper and nickel are smaller than a half and just a little bigger than a quarter. I would not bother with them unless you just like collecting them, though they might be worth something as a quarter in an “underground” economy, you would be paying 4x that of a quarter for the privilege of doing so.

The Orangutan
The Orangutan
  goat
May 18, 2023 4:46 pm

Missed that, thanks. But why do you say “horde current coin now”? Just because a penny costs 3 cents to make, and a nickel costs 8 cents to make, does not mean they have 3 and 8 cents worth of metal in them. Are you certain that the dollar coins actually contain as much or more market price metal than a dollar’s worth? Or are you saying they contain less that that now, but will contain more than that as the currency gets further debased? I’m now curious what is the current market value of our loonies and twoonies solely based on their metal content.

goat
goat
  The Orangutan
May 18, 2023 7:18 pm

Why? I thought I already explained that. So that there will be a functioning money system maintained when the currency craps out. Hoarding it now cost nothing but an 1 to 1 exchange of paper / electrons.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  The Orangutan
May 18, 2023 5:58 pm

Then in 1982, the penny—which had been 95% copper and 5% zinc—was changed to zinc with a copper wash on it.

Agreed. I hate it, but courtesy broke govts, post-CBDC and the paper currency collapse, PMs for commerce will be widely counterfeited. Silver round testing machines run about $1K, require some kind of energy source, and themselves may be tampered with. And I say that as a guy with access to Ag/AU Maple Leafs.

Therefore, I’d expect that normalized black market trade will occur with coins whose value is denominated by age and authenticity of wear. For ex. ten 1970s era pennies will buy more potato in your community than ten 1990’s zinc quarters. Pence/Shilling vs E.U. coinage if not US.

Or rather, values will be denominated in food 😉
We will just have to get along without “a store of value” until Civ 2.0 firms up.

goat
goat
  World War Zero
May 18, 2023 7:28 pm

Just to be clear there are no zinc quarters in the us. All the current silver colored coin in the us is made of copper and nickel JUST like the nickels have always been made of nickel and copper. Nickels have have been made exactly the same since they started producing them as far as size and content.

todd
todd
May 18, 2023 5:35 pm

cracked open a roll of freshly minted quarters today at work…all shiny and new…guess who was on it…

Bessie Coleman…i had no idea who that was so i duck duck go’ed her…should’ve known…

i’ll let you look for yourself but you already know why she’s on it…

Euddie
Euddie
  todd
May 19, 2023 3:12 pm

What a message to the “minorities”

“We’ll put politicians who benefitted the merchants and banks on real precious metals coins.
Later, after confidence is established, we’ll remove all those precious metals. After a few decades when the last shred of confidence is gone in the dollar, we’ll devote each coin and bill to the image of a minority. Fitting, they contributed little to the building of wealth, now they are literally the face of its debasement. “