Was Prigozhin’s Rebellion Live Or Memorex?

Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, ‘n Guns blog,

After this weekend’s whirlwind events in Russia we’re left with a lot more questions than answers about what happened with Wagner Group’s Yevgeny Prigozhin’s abortive rebellion against Moscow. I’m not here to answer any of those questions definitively because we’ll never really know.

That said, if what I think happened is anything close to the truth then this may be one of the greatest non-battlefield victories in modern history.

Let’s start with what we know. Prigozhin’s been running his mouth for months about lack of support from the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) while his boys did all the heavy lifting in Bakhmut. His issues with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu are pretty well known. It’s also likely that there’s zero love loss between Prigozhin and General Valeri Gerasimov either.

Pissing contests between military commanders are not unheard of, after all.

You could easily make the argument that Wagner was brought in to clean up the mess made by Shoigu while Gerasimov undertook the bigger task to reorient the Russian military away from Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs) towards an infantry-focused army more capable of taking and holding territory.

There is this looming war with NATO after all.

You could also easily make the argument that his successes left Prigozhin in a position to demand changes and for him to begin getting a big head.

Now, let’s bring in the external factor here, the enemy, NATO.

But really it is the US/UK neoconservatives who have been the ones spending every waking hour punching Russia in the face with blatant escalatory moves to try and draw Russia and Putin offside.

Nordstream 2, the Kerch Strait Bridge bombing, the staged massacre at Bucha, the Kakhovka dam explosion, the attacks at Belgorod, the arms smuggling into Odessa under the auspice of the ‘Grain deal…” The list is nearly endless.

We heard reports of the Russian FSB thwarting a smuggling operation of Cesium-137 into Ukraine to simulate a nuclear weapons attack. Salt some of this stuff to taste, but in the world I’ve come to live in there is almost nothing, no dirty trick low enough, that in desperation the Brits and their American co-conspirators would not attempt.

In my worldview MI6 and the British Defense Ministry spend all day, everyday coming up with a new way to justify a wider conflict between NATO and Russia. The destruction and balkanization of Russia has, after all, been their raison d’etre for more than 300 years.

And, so far, that heuristic has been almost perfectly accurate in predicting where things would go next.

So, let’s cut through all the bullshit about this, shall we?

In no way was this an organic affair. It’s been building for months. But what’s been building?

A guy like Prigozhin could easily become massively disheartened with Russia’s leadership. Could it be to the point of him taking up arms against Putin? Well, that’s certainly what a lot of people wanted us to believe this weekend.

And I’m in no way suggesting that it isn’t possible or even probable. It is the most likely story.

Now factor in the stories floating around out there that Prigozhin was bribed with billions for Wagner to stage his insurrection. Would anyone be surprised by this if it were ever found out?

What? The CIA with suitcases of cash for some foreign malcontent with delusions of grandeur?

The deuce you say!!

Remember folks, since we live in a world of dis- if not mal-information we have to concoct stories that fit what few facts we have along with assessing such basic things as motive, means and opportunity.

NATO or Bust

Moreover, things are accelerating into the July 11-12th NATO Summit, where it is obvious the neocons are pushing for a statement or policy change that will be the ultimate punch in the mouth for Putin.

It will be one he cannot ignore because it will violate a major red line which he has laid out with stunning clarity.

Those are either Ukraine’s accession into the EU or NATO, one begets the other. For anyone thinking they are not one and the same thing, please turn in your geopolitics street cred card with the usher by the door.

But this is exactly what is being pushed by the most openly hostile members of NATO — namely UK Foreign Minister James Cleverly and German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock. At the same time the Brits are nearly as mad at President Joe Biden as they are at Putin himself.

Why? Because Biden is the one that blocked UK Defense Minister (and IQ 60 mouth-breathing moron!) Ben Wallace from taking over for Jens Stoltenberg as NATO’s General Secretary. This was supposed to happen next month. It’s been put on hold and Stoltenberg has been urged by Biden to stay on for another year.

The Brits are pushing the world into war.

Wallace becoming NATO Chief would ensure this.

The only good news here is that France’s military, as much as likely the American’s, would rather be caught dead in a bathroom with an underaged hooker and pile of blow than have a Brit running this war.

It’s clear have promised everyone a piece of the pie after Russia is defeated in Ukraine. The Poles get back Lvov and parts of Belarus. Ukrainian Right Sector thugs get to wipe out Russians in the Donbass, Hungary gets Transcarphia (to Viktor Orban’s credit he doesn’t want it on these terms), Georgia gets the Caucuses…. etc.

They are being cheered on by serial Death Eaters Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal, who this week penned a bipartisan resolution to widen the scope of NATO’s Article 5 to include not only Russia’s use of a tactical nuke but also any radiation that resulted from a nuclear accident.

Really, Lindsey, like we can’t see the setup here at it pertains to the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant?

The bribes have been flying around everywhere. And Wallace as NATO chief would ensure that the final iteration of Britain’s ‘divide and rule’ strategy would work. But Biden said no.

And that’s the piece to this puzzle that tells me we’ve reached the crescendo of this nonsense.

That maybe, just maybe, the Pentagon and even Davos are getting off this train.

Putin – Lucky, Smart or Both?

With all of that in your back pocket now let’s look at this weekend’s events.

Here’s you quick and dirty list of hits:

  • Prigozhin may or may not have been bribed by the CIA/MI6 with money and dreams of ruling the Caucuses. Long a dream of the Brits to deny Russia the oil and gas from that region.
  • Oil, gas and coal Ukraine and Europe desperately need.
  • He comes out with some ridiculous statement about Putin lying about the reasons for this war.
  • He also implicates the Russian MoD in dispersing Wagner
  • He begins the March to Moscow.
  • There are unconfirmed reports of helicopters being shot down. Fighting, etc.
  • The Neocons go into absolute overdrive that this is the end for Putin.
  • Twitter becomes unreadable
  • Chechen Leader Ramzan Kadyrov comes out in full support of Putin
  • So too, the Russian Ministry of Defense.
  • There are no defectors from the Russian military
  • There are small kerfluffles in St. Pete and Moscow
  • Putin comes out and makes his speech denouncing Prigozhin as a ‘traitor.’ He is as angry as I’ve ever seen him.
  • President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko negotiates with Prigozhin and within an hour the whole thing is over.

What started out as the ‘Fall of the Evil Russian Empire’ ended with “Suck what?” in a matter of hours.

The Neocons went from drooling in anticipation to crying in their lattes in about 15 minutes.

The final outcome is the real head scratcher if you believe for a moment that Prigozhin wasn’t someone’s puppet — Putin’s or Western Intelligence agencies.

Wagner forces would be moved to Belarus. All charges of insurrection would be dropped for those that marched. Those that stood down and didn’t back Prigozhin would be offered contracts with the Russian military directly.

Prigozhin would not be executed as a traitor.

Now, are you buying any of this? But these are the announced facts. And while the Neocons would like you to believe “this isn’t over.” Putin’s been weakened. The reality here is far, far different.

So, here are three likely scenarios as to what really happened. They are not, however, comprehensive.

#1 Prigozhin Really Rebelled

With the backing of the West, Prigozhin pushes all in. Sensing that their attempts on Putin’s rule would be successful because of assurances that hardliners in Russia have his back the CIA/MI6 go for the gold. Prigozhin’s still in a hyper-combative state, angry and distraught over Shoigu’s incompetence and Putin’s passivity.

Since backstabbing is not unheard of in the Russian oligarchy, he’s convinced of the plot against him. There may even be some money and promises of him ruling in Rostov-on-Don under the balkanization of Russia carrot dangled in front of him.

He hopes for a wider uprising against Putin’s rule, doesn’t get it, and quickly is put down.

Putin knew all about all of this, as did the West, and, like his swift moves to put down Nasarbaev’s attempt to get back into power in Kakakhstan in January of 2022 (with the obvious backing of the CIA/MI6), he gave Prigozhin all the rope he needed to hang himself.

If Prigozhin disappears in the next few weeks we’ll have a better answer.

#2 Prigozhin Set Everyone Up

Prigozhin begins his ‘anti-MoD’ ranting a day or two after securing Bakhmut and begins playing into the fever dreams of the West that the hardliners are ready to dump Putin for his passivity. This isn’t implausible. There are many in Russia who are angry with Putin for not punching back.

Attacks like Nordstream and Kerch are designed to lose Putin ‘face.’ It’s no different than Nancy Piglosi going to Taiwan for China. Make Xi lose face, get Chinese big mad. Win.

Loss of face is a big deal in domestic politics of these countries. But, at the same time, you have to realize that Putin’s been cleaning out Russia of western assets. The main reason why we know that “Putin jails reporters” is because those reporters who were jailed were foreign intelligence assets, not journalists.

Over the years of doing this, surviving multiple assassination attempts and passing laws banning NGOs, Putin has cleaned up the streets in Moscow. For this reason you have to assume that our ground game there is really weak.

It’s not hard to believe that Prigozhin could help feed them all the bullshit they wanted to hear. We are talking about people increasingly desperate to get this war past the point of no return and Putin refuses to give it to them.

So, with that background it’s easy to believe that Prigozhin sets the hook for a few months, even goes so far to take a few billion in ‘lost money’ to seal the deal.

He stages the walk out, gets on the road and ‘negotiates’ a settlement at the exact moment when his convoy would have had to make a left and go to Belarus anyway.

Scenario #3 – A Strategic Reallocation

For the past ten years I’ve watched Putin engage the West’s false flags and provocations and turn them into strategic victories by veering from the whiteboard script at GCHQ and Langley.

He prefers engaging in ‘parallel aggression’ — proportionally making a move to counter some other act of open aggression.

So, with that parallel aggression idea in your head here’s the scenario:

If you know that NATO is getting ready to widen the conflict next month and the British are supplying Ukraine with Storm Shadow missiles to soften up Crimea while the UAF struggles to make headway in the misnamed “counter-offensive,” then wouldn’t you want your best and battle-hardened troops strategically placed to respond if things go sideways?

Look at the outcome of Prigozhin’s Rebellion. Wagner is now in Belarus. The disloyal ones are cannon fodder to soak up anything Poland tries to do.

The rest are positioned to make a move on Kiev if anyone gets silly ideas of going after Crimea.

With the UAF getting ground into paste as the attacker down south, a bad situation for them gets worse now that Putin has an army he can use in Belarus.

Remember, legally, this isn’t a war. Putin doesn’t have a free hand to do certain things under the auspice of an SMO. This is why Wagner has been so important to events thus far.

In fact, I’d go so far as to say a whole lotta folks coming off their Russian military contracts may be ‘reassigned to Wagner’ in the next couple of weeks to bolster their ranks.

Your move, NATO.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, Belarus now has tactical nuclear weapons that Putin just announced he moved into country. Does he trust Wagner enough to give them those nukes? I’m not touching that one with Lindsey Graham’s dick.

And the truth is that none of these scenarios fully cover what’s happening or even what’s happened. The fate of Sergei Shoigu hasn’t been resolved. The hardliners may get their wish with a new Defense Minister of a more Prigozhin-esque character.

You can pick bits and pieces of these scenarios out and reassemble them like Legos and you’ll have something interesting and worth considering.

But it’s hard to argue with the final outcome. A big military unit with real combat experience under the harshest conditions are now stationed within 150 miles of Kiev potentially armed with tac nukes while Putin just sniffed out a another layer of 5th and 6th columnists who outed themselves in their zeal to kill Russians with American money.

“Good? Bad? I’m the guy with the gun.”

 – ASH, ARMY OF DARKNESS

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Anonymous
Anonymous
June 26, 2023 10:50 am

Best explanation yet is that the run to Moscow was a feint , Wagner group now in Belarus puts them only 100km from Kiev.

Desperation leads to a bad place.

@amuse
BRAVERY? Senators Blumenthal & Graham have drafted a bill that would require the US to declare war on Russia if a Ukrainian nuclear power plant is sabotaged. If passed, Zelensky would have the power to force the US to join the war by simply sabotaging his own nuclear reactor. Just say no
@mattgaetz
. https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/proposed-resol

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 11:40 am

Blumenthal & Graham

Mutt and Jeff need to be taken out, but not to lunch. They are dangerous.

If you want to hear a funny and entertaining deconstruction of the MSM bullshit about this whole episode you can listen to yesterdays show. It’s first on their agenda so you don’t have to listen to more than 30 minutes.
Show title Wagner the Dog
https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/1567

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Mary Christine
June 26, 2023 12:35 pm

How dare you question a Vietnam war hero like Blumenthal and a LGBTQ hero of the Pentagon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  overthecliff
June 26, 2023 3:14 pm

Easily?

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Anne
  Mary Christine
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James
  Anne
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Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 1:14 pm

I don’t know if this tweet will show up but if not, the question is

Is a Gulf of Tonkin moment at hand?

regarding the nuclear power station. Is the US and NATO that insane? Don’t answer that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 4:51 pm

What have Russian forces done over the past several days?

I don’t pay attention, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all theater to explain away troop movements.

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
June 26, 2023 10:55 am

Possibilities are endless of the way Priggy has gone down.
WW3 is not going as I expected.
But the neocons are still doubling down as the last Ukrainian is being fed into the meatgrinder.

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
June 26, 2023 11:09 am

The destruction and balkanization of Russia has, after all, been their raison d’etre for more than 300 years.

Good article, except for the hyperbole. The author forgets that Russia was an ally of Britain during WWI and WWII. And Britain did not take advantage of Russia during the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905) when Russia took horrendous casualties and, for all practical purposes, lost its navy.

Jim Dandy
Jim Dandy
  Dying Sun
June 26, 2023 11:40 am

The British royals and the Russian royals were all related. The British family would like their country back.
They have already done a pretty good job of winning back the USA. Russia has been a more difficult challenge.

k31
k31
  Jim Dandy
June 26, 2023 12:52 pm

The British royals are foreign usurpers and no mistake.

august
august
  k31
June 26, 2023 4:06 pm

Rudolf Hess says the Royals are reasonable people…..

falconflight
falconflight
  august
June 26, 2023 8:18 pm

Speaking of Germans…AfD wins first municipal election in Eastern Germany…alarm sirens get louder from the State.
—-
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Visayas Outpost
Visayas Outpost
  Dying Sun
June 26, 2023 9:44 pm

Define ‘ally’. That is the problem with Britain. Their allies are also their tools to other ends. To wit, keeping the Germans and Russians occupied with each other for the first half of the 20th century, rather than lose ground in the face of a declining empire. The US empire seems to have learned from the best.

NtroP
NtroP
June 26, 2023 11:27 am

There is no doubt that the weekend Russian activities were extremely interesting, and as stated, there are numerous possibilities for what really happened.
The only thing we can be absolutely certain of is that the official government/MSM version we are offered is false.
I personally lean toward putting Wagner in Belarus, closer to Kiev, was a strategic move by the Russkies.

Ghost
Ghost
June 26, 2023 11:48 am

I suspect Privogyn, Putin and Lucachenko (spelling) are old comrades from way back.

If it turns out the Wagner group in Belarus help take Kiev, the strategic move should go in the books.

k31
k31
  Ghost
June 26, 2023 12:56 pm

If the Russians went full mobilization no holds barred, they could take all of Ukraine in about a month maybe 3, after about a year of prep. Nobody but Putin and his close associates knows wtf is going on. The Western Jews in charge are clearly not rational.

Harrington Richardson. "Cry Havoc"
Harrington Richardson. "Cry Havoc"
  k31
June 26, 2023 1:14 pm

This weekend the Russians may have been able to go to a full mobilization and make huge moves masked by the reaction to and defending against the “coup.” Also, in a sense the tide went out and those swimming naked were exposed at a minimum and perhaps “disposed of” as well.

k31
k31
  Harrington Richardson. "Cry Havoc"
June 26, 2023 10:35 pm

Good points.

MartelsHammer
MartelsHammer
  k31
June 26, 2023 4:47 pm

Seems pretty obvious what went down……Since no Russians actually were injured in the “fighting” it obviously was not a real Coup…..I think it was a classic grift on the US/CIA/DeepShekels…….Prigozhin gave a nice story to the CIA folks and they funded him with billons and intel…..he pretends to launch the coup after the money is paid and then cuts a deal with Putin for exile in Belarus…..Putin was in on it the whole time and the only real question is what’s the split between Prig/Putim……probably 30/70. So they get rich, America also revealed its sources and methods and now Putin knows what we know. I guess the other question is whether FJB is also in on it and getting a kick back from Putin for “being stupid enough to fall for the deception”?

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  MartelsHammer
June 27, 2023 1:04 am

That’s my take on it also . Maybe the Clowns In Action gave Pergo shins half up front ?Am I sure ? hell no , just eliminating all the possible explanations that don’t stand up under scrutiny and that’s whats left .

m
m
  MartelsHammer
June 27, 2023 1:19 am

And Putin uses his $4.34 B cut… to do what exactly?

MartelsHammer
MartelsHammer
  m
June 27, 2023 9:19 am

Putin already has billions but a few more will buy Santcuary in the event he needs it……

goat
goat
  MartelsHammer
June 27, 2023 9:30 am

Well, that use to be the tradition, but it seems lately that letting leaders retire with their plunder is less fashionable than a bullet in the head under less than ignoble circumstances.
Seems as such it actually makes thing harder for regime change, when the victim knows they will get no mercy.
Sun Tzu had something to say about that if I recall.

m
m
  MartelsHammer
June 27, 2023 11:31 am

I’m sure half-vassal states (at a minimum) such as SA, Brazil, or India can provide a safe sanctuary to Putin if he ever needs one!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ghost
June 27, 2023 5:15 pm

Those people do not have comrades.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
June 26, 2023 11:54 am

The plan was always to provoke Russia into invading Ukraine so NATO would have an excuse to invade too. Putin didn’t take the bait. He waited for the separatist regions to vote to annex themselves to Russia. Then he only sent in a mercenary group into those regions to drive out NATO’s Neo-nazi proxy mercenaries. Putin played it smart by not entering Ukraine (no invasion) and he kept the Russian military within the borders of Russia to protect the motherland.

The man knows his game theory and strategically fought a slow war of attrition. Although it’s been tedious to outside observers it was effective at starving the warmongers who wanted to continue their forever wars. If you don’t feed the war machine it can’t survive.

Ghost
Ghost
  Stephanie Shepard
June 26, 2023 12:20 pm

Wouldn’t it be great if Peace and Prosperity were lucrative to politicians?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Ghost
June 26, 2023 12:27 pm

That would require politicians to not be cowardice leeches on society.

k31
k31
  Ghost
June 26, 2023 12:59 pm

For Peace and Prosperity, our only hope is in the Gospel.

Honorific
Honorific
  k31
June 27, 2023 4:28 pm

For Peace and Prosperity, our only hope is in the Gospel.

Wow, really?
Over on the “piss jesus” comment section they admitted world religion has failed to teach people to be peaceful….but don’t blame religion…

k31
k31
  Stephanie Shepard
June 26, 2023 10:37 pm

Sounds reasonable, except that Russia briefly occupied a good portion of the country, before pulling back. That doesn’t seem to jibe with your outline.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Stephanie Shepard
June 27, 2023 1:08 am

I basically agree but Putin did not keep the Russian military inside Russian borders initially . I hate that I have to have more respect for an old KGB cold warrior than my own government but they have earned their ignimony fair and square

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 26, 2023 11:58 am

I keep reading that Prigozhin’s “issues” with Shoigu, et al are “well known”, but I don’t think I ever see people question whether that has been an act all along.
Why not?
How would we know?

Earnesto
Earnesto
June 26, 2023 12:29 pm

Was Prigozhin’s Rebellion Live Or Memorex?

Neither.
It was the Hologram of a Mirage.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 26, 2023 12:36 pm

The British have been good at getting the USA to do their heavy lifting for over 100 years.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 26, 2023 1:06 pm

Memorex, pre-recorded for your speculating pleasure.

Ponyexpress
Ponyexpress
June 26, 2023 2:04 pm
Ponyexpress
Ponyexpress
  Ponyexpress
June 26, 2023 2:09 pm
lamont cranston
lamont cranston
June 26, 2023 2:23 pm

I’ll channel Ella Fitzgerald to see if it’s real.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 26, 2023 2:59 pm

Who fukin knows, the whole moneymaking criminal enterprise has been one lie after another from the start.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 4:14 pm

the whole moneymaking criminal enterprise has been one lie after another from the start……….

….. of civilization.

Carpetbaggers, the second oldest profession.

HemadenAuries
HemadenAuries
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 5:57 pm

Carpetbaggers, the second oldest profession.

Well, before the invention of the disposable razor anyway.

Anonyclues
Anonyclues
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 8:25 pm

In the bible, they are called temple prostitutes not carpet baggers.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
June 26, 2023 5:06 pm

It suddenly occurred to me that anyone who gets the essay title is old.🤣

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
June 26, 2023 6:07 pm

You mean ancient.

If you bought a CD to replace something analog, you are old.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 6:45 pm

HAHAHA!!! I bought cassette tapes to replace vinyl records before I bought CDs…

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Anonymous
June 26, 2023 7:28 pm

You skipped the 8-tracks?

goat
goat
  ILuvCO2
June 26, 2023 7:34 pm

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Might as well add reel to reel in there too.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  ILuvCO2
June 26, 2023 7:41 pm

Mom’s 1959 Oldsmobile had a 45 record player under the dash. Didn’t have a 8-track until her Vista Cruiser.

turiya
turiya
June 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Not a coup. Privogyn was just making a statement. He, like most of the other Russian military leaders, have not been happy with the Russian Defence minister Shoigu strategy. They want this Ukraine thing ended immediately. It was not any kind coup, but just showing that the Wagner Group & other military units were dissatisfied with the process being put in slow motion. Enough is enough. Now, you will see Putin making the necessary changes that are needed to put an end to this war. And, of course, how the Western idiots respond to this will be something to watch.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  turiya
June 26, 2023 9:28 pm

I’m hopeful.

k31
k31
  turiya
June 26, 2023 10:39 pm

I think it is plausible that’s all it was. I am not brass, but Shoigu has appeared as worthless as tits on a bull. He already had to be relieved of tactical command once.

Botched_Lobotomy
Botched_Lobotomy
June 26, 2023 9:10 pm

Is “neoconservative” really the best descriptor of Joe Biden’s administration? I wouldn’t call Victoria Nuland, Robert Kagan, Tony Blinken or Joe Biden conservative in any way. How are they neocons?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Botched_Lobotomy
June 27, 2023 1:06 am

They’re war mongering jews.

goat
goat
  Botched_Lobotomy
June 27, 2023 9:02 am

The confusion comes from a (purposeful) misunderstanding of the word conservative. Just as the word liberal.
Conservative in the political sense simply means tradition. As such what is conservative here in the US is liberal (befitting a freeman or people, the opposite of Authoritarianism), as the FFs were liberals.
There was no tradition at the start of the nation, as it was new, and the Tories were thrown out, and you certainly could not consider the FFs conservatives, they had just tipped over the apple cart of tradition.
In England (and here before the revolution) conservatives were the Tories, who were a bunch of traditional monarchist (generally authoritarians).
So what conservative means, is wholly dependent on what the tradition is of any particular people, nation, etc.
As such, there has been a concerted effort to separate the meaning here of liberal from conservative, mainly in the ’70s and ’80s, by calling the left “liberal spenders” and the right “fiscal conservatives” (both being fiscal terms). Which then the media just shortened to liberal and conservative, to suite many agendas, one being so that the “conservatives” could get their people to support the Tories in England (the very same warmongering monarchs we fought against for independence).
Also as a sick joke perhaps (though it is anything but a joke) so we would curse ourselves by calling authoritarians (or worse, libertines, etc.) liberal, as befitting a freeman or people, and it seems we get what “we” ask for.
Which brings us to neocon, which simply means new tradition, which seems to be authoritarianism, war mongering, libertinism, satanism, democide, economic ruin, etc. Though I have often said that it could also mean new con.

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”
― Ronald Reagan

““I have found that a certain type that calls himself a liberal, I always thought I was a liberal,” Wayne said with a laugh. “I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out I was a right-wing conservative extremist, but I have listened to everybody’s point of view that I ever met and then decide how I should feel.”

“I think in the semantics of today that I would be considered conservative. I’m liberal to the point where I listen to other people’s point of view, try and get the facts and then make up my own mind. I think that’s a liberal point of view. I find that a lot of the people today that call themselves liberal never hear your side of the argument.” #JohnWayneValues

Liberal \Lib”er*al\ (l[i^]b”[~e]r*al), a. [F. lib[‘e]ral, L.
liberalis, from liber free; perh. akin to libet, lubet, it
pleases, E. lief. Cf. {Deliver}.]
1. Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman;
refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean;
Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Conservative
2. One who desires to maintain existing institutions and
customs; also, one who holds moderate opinions in
politics; — opposed to revolutionary or radical.
Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Conservative
(a.)
Tending or disposed to maintain existing institutions; opposed to change or innovation.
Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Honorific
Honorific
June 26, 2023 11:36 pm

Prigozhin surname etymology:

Prigozhin means: practical joker, pretender, prankster

From prigozh-to prank.
Lol

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 27, 2023 1:02 am

As some above seemed to indicate through the royals the tentacles of the World Order have penetrated Russia since ages past. In addition, the tentacles of the World Order penetrated the USSR since it’s inception as Lenin, the Bolsheviks and the Revolution itself were supported and funded by the World Order. The extent these tentacles represent absolute puppet strings is perhaps open for debate. However, the World Order has made it clear they want regime change in Russia. Thus presumably, Putin is in for the fight of his life. Once the desire for regime change has been made there is not much chance of turning back. I agree with others that there was a sort of sting in that Prigozhin and Putin have taken the World Order for untold billions. Perhaps a small force multiplier on that not only is the World Order out the funds but now the funds can be used against them.

“The empire never ended” – PKD

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 27, 2023 4:49 am

First sensible take on this I have seen. I think Ton Luongo should get some sort of award for the line “What started out as the ‘Fall of the Evil Russian Empire’ ended with “Suck what?” in a matter of hours.” I almost spewed beer at that one. My take is a combo of scenarios 2&3. Prigozhin couldn’t have pulled it off alone. It went too smoothly. Even Chinese social media figured it out – https://t.me/sitreports/10846

James
James
June 27, 2023 5:23 am

Ever have thunder storms at 2:30 a.m.,get up,start drinking coffee and realize your day is going to be a mess,I did!

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Larry Maier
Larry Maier
June 27, 2023 9:07 am

How about Occam’s Razor. He wanted a raise but the boss fired him or the Russians outbid the US? By the way, this article is more Russian propaganda.

m
m
June 27, 2023 1:31 pm

Finally a believable account without hyperbole,
the official Enlish translation from the Belarusian govt website:
https://eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-shares-details-of-negotiations-with-pmc-wagner-key-takeaways-159873-2023/

nkit
nkit
June 27, 2023 6:22 pm

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m
m
  nkit
June 28, 2023 2:19 am

The above was Tucker Carlson’s summary of Raskin’s statement.

What Raskin actually said (excerpt):
“Moscow right now is a hub of corrupt tyranny, censorship, authoritarian repression, police violence, propaganda, government lies and disinformation, and planning for war crimes. It is a world center of antifeminist, antigay, anti-trans hatred, as well as the homeland of replacement theory for export. In supporting Ukraine, we are opposing these fascist views, and supporting the urgent principles of democratic pluralism. Ukraine is not perfect, of course, but its society is organized on the radically different principles of democracy and freedom, which is why Russia’s oligarchical leaders seek to destroy it forever.”