Ukraine – Biden Again Escalates

Guest Post by Moon of Alabama

The Washington Post says that the U.S. will now give cluster munition to Ukraine.

Biden approves cluster munition supply to Ukraine

President Biden has approved the provision of U.S. cluster munitions for Ukraine, with drawdown of the weapons from Defense Department stocks due to be announced Friday.

The munition will be 155mm grenades, Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions (DPICM), that can be fired by ‘western’ provided artillery.


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The decision, likely illegal, was made because the U.S. and its allies have run out of other 155mm munitions:

The move, which will bypass U.S. law prohibiting the production, use or transfer of cluster munitions with a failure rate of more than 1 percent, comes amid concerns about Kyiv’s lagging counteroffensive against entrenched Russian troops and dwindling Western stocks of conventional artillery.

It is accompanied by false statements that Russia has used such ammunition in Ukraine:

It follows months of internal administration debate over whether to supply the controversial munitions, which are banned by most countries in the world.Cluster weapons explode in the air over a target, releasing dozens to hundreds of smaller submunitions across a wide area.

More than 120 countries have joined a convention banning their use as inhumane and indiscriminate, in large part because of high failure rates that litter the landscape with unexploded submunitions that endanger both friendly troops and civilians, often for decades after the end of a conflict. The United States, Ukraine and Russia — which is alleged to have used them extensively in Ukraine — are not parties to the convention. Eight of NATO’s 31 members, including the United States, have not ratified the convention.

It is well documented, by Human Rights Watch and others, that the Ukrainian military has used cluster munitions. There is nothing to support a claim that Russia has done so. The Pentagon has rejected claimed evidence of Russian cluster munition attacks:

Commenting on videos depicting alleged Russian cluster munition use, DOD officials stated during a March 1, 2022 press conference that “we’ve seen the same video that you have but we have not assessed that it is definitive with respect to the use of cluster munitions. So we are not in a position to confirm the use of cluster munitions at this time.” In a similar manner, a DOD official stated during March 3, 2022, press conference that DOD was still unable to confirm Russia’s use of cluster munitions.

Cluster munition are banned by most countries because they often fails to explode on impact and thereby leave a lot of unexploded mines on the ground:

The principal weapon under consideration, an M864 artillery shell first produced in 1987, is fired from the 155mm howitzers the United States and other Western countries have provided Ukraine. In its last publicly available estimate, more than 20 years ago, the Pentagon assessed that artillery shell to have a “dud” rate of 6 percent, meaning that at least four of each of the 72 submunitions each shell carries would remain unexploded across an area of approximately 22,500 square meters — roughly the size of 4½ football fields.

Last year the Congressional Research Service found that the real dud rate is higher than what the Pentagon claims:

There appear to be significant discrepancies among failure rate estimates. Some manufacturers claim a submunition failure rate of 2% to 5%, whereas mine clearance specialists have frequently reported failure rates of 10% to 30%. A number of factors influence submunition reliability. These include delivery technique, age of the submunition, air temperature, landing in soft or muddy ground, getting caught in trees and vegetation, and submunitions being damaged after dispersal, or landing in such a manner that their impact fuzes fail to initiate.

The Pentagon claims that the ammunition it will provide has a lower dud rate. But it never produced data from tests that would support its claims.

By agreeing to provide the munition Biden is circumventing or breaking the law:

There is no waiver provision in the 1 percent limit Congress has placed on cluster munition dud rates, written into Defense Department appropriations for the last seven years. Biden would bypass it and Congress, according to a White House official, drawing down the munitions from existing defense stocks under a rarely used provision of the Foreign Assistance Act, which allows the president to provide aid, regardless of appropriations or arms export restrictions, as long as he determines that it is in the vital U.S. national security interest.

Unfortunately neither Congress nor the courts are likely to intervene.

The cluster ammunition, like the Uranium tank ammunition the U.S. and Britain have sent to Ukraine, will make large parts of the country inhabitable and unusable for agricultural purposes. It will also make attacks and retreats through affected areas difficult for military forces on both sides.

Cluster ammunition was made during the cold war for defending against large scale armored attacks. They are imprecise area attack weapons. Their usefulness against the small unit attacks with a handful of tanks which we have often seen during this war is doubtful.

As the U.S. has run out of other ammunition what will it provide to Ukraine after the DPICM fail to turn around the fate of the Ukrainian army?

Chemical weapons? Nukes?

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32 Comments
MrLiberty
MrLiberty
July 8, 2023 7:53 am

They are against US law and international conventions we have signed onto. Why is Biden not already in jail?

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
  MrLiberty
July 8, 2023 8:06 am

I really am tired of the response….imagine if Trump did this.

Repubs should immediately conduct impeachment proceedings. Otherwise they are equally evil and guilty. Which of course they are.

CCRider
CCRider
  MrLiberty
July 8, 2023 8:41 am

Have we reached the guillotine stage?

Trumpeter
Trumpeter
  CCRider
July 8, 2023 10:33 am

Long since. Have you got plans for one that can be towed behind a bicycle.
Just like big city folk turned the country saying “shoot, shovel and shut up” into “shoot, skedaddle and shut up” I feel a era of “Sever, skedaddle and shut up ” coming on.

I bet you could sell those plans in France right now. Hati would be a good place to set up production facilities to make low cost kits.

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe
  Trumpeter
July 8, 2023 11:39 am

Trumpeter, patent office now accepting applications for your tow behind the bicycle guillotine. Self sharpening even after prolonged use. bYOB— bring your own baskets!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  CCRider
July 8, 2023 1:10 pm

Long ago, yet nothing happens

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  MrLiberty
July 8, 2023 12:38 pm

That’s part of the issue here … as stated in the article, the United States is NOT a signatory to the agreement to not use cluster munitions …

Lurker
Lurker
July 8, 2023 8:40 am

How long till we’re sending the crazy bastards weaponized anthrax?

TCS
TCS
  Lurker
July 8, 2023 9:15 am

WTF do you think we’ve been doing over there the last 20+ years with all those biolabs? They’ve already got access to FAR WORSE than Anthrax…and Putin knows this.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lurker
July 8, 2023 1:12 pm

Or flintlocks and blunderbusses the way Biden is burning through cash?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymous
July 8, 2023 2:05 pm

Joe always says all you need is a double barrel shotgun.

TCS
TCS
  Harrington Richardson
July 9, 2023 9:57 pm

And let’s NEVER forget THAT pearl of wisdumb!

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
July 8, 2023 9:02 am

US defense contractors and their political lackeys are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.
How noble.
Fucking Bastards…

TCS
TCS
  Steve Z.
July 8, 2023 9:16 am

Shoving Nazis into a wood chipper sounds like productive employment to me.

We gonna quibble over style points here?

splurge
splurge
  TCS
July 8, 2023 5:48 pm

Time to make the compost?

TCS
TCS
  splurge
July 9, 2023 9:59 pm

Make enough and we can green up this bitch like nobody’s business! Grass out the ass and smiles for miles!

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
July 8, 2023 9:05 am

That reminds me, I forgot to take my nascent iodine this morning.

Dangerous Variant
Dangerous Variant
July 8, 2023 9:06 am

A video is circling on some dissident blogs that is a 20 minute snuff vid of Ukraine soldiers entering and exiting some bradley type vehicle in the middle of a artillery pockmarked field.

One after another they step on, roll on, jump on mines with gruesome results. It is a slow, drawn-out excruciating display of one tiny element of men against the terror laced backdrop of war.

A microcosm of this war as the waste of life and limb unfolds as brothers in arms suffer the futility of trying to survive while helping their fallen comrades, which ends in more death and ultimately abandonment.

And for the few who might survive, just the beginning of a long and painful process of recovery and adaptation to normal life that will never be normal and from which many will likely succumb to despair.

I hate the globohomo empire and beltway profiteers so very much.

That many take joy from watching the GAE proxy rightfully get dismembered by the Russians is just one of the multitude of ways in which these wars incrementally destroy our humanity.

We have scores of men who still suffer these same injuries in all of our communities here to remind us of our own demonic ‘leaders’ sending our boys to war for reasons culled from the devils playbook – and yet these same cretins of our occupying Fedgov talk of sending more bombs and planes and nifty weapons “platforms” dripping with glee and saccharine patriotism to The Narrative.

The paint is dry on my own brothers’ exit papers from the ZOG goat-patch splodey times but still the effets linger. I pray the hubris and evil is turned upon itself and its handlers quickly so that we can avoid becoming monsters ourselves. Though the necessity of opening the dark heart of war in all of us lingers in the air like so many cluster bombs waiting for a passing foot.

TCS
TCS
  Dangerous Variant
July 9, 2023 10:24 pm

Let’s not cry about our scars. God gave them to us for a reason. It’s up to us to understand why.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
July 8, 2023 9:19 am

OMG don’t you just hate it when you shoot or drop something to kill someone and it does not go off and kill them but instead goes off later and kills soneone that you did not want kill. Total bullshit.

Not cluster bombs this topic. Total bullshit.

Answer one question. Would you rather have cluster bombs or nukes?

Or please tell me why getting killed by an AK round or mortar round is worse or better than cluster munitions ore an arc light bombing run with 500 lb bombs from ww2.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  JIMSKI
July 8, 2023 10:27 am

I’d rather the US mind its own fucking business.

TJ
TJ
  Iska Waran
July 9, 2023 12:45 am

It is. Making obscene profits any way it can.

TCS
TCS
  Iska Waran
July 9, 2023 10:26 pm

Sadly, they genuinely believe they are…and more is the pity.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  JIMSKI
July 8, 2023 2:15 pm

The issue is the cluster bombs cover the area as the article states of four plus football fields. People and livestock will inevitably be wandering around afterwards trying to survive and get blown up or disfigured. When a bullet hits the ground it’s done. These things go on being deadly for a long time. I believe a WW2 bomb detonated somewhere in Europe in the last year. It would just be “nice” for a war to end and not keep killing far into the future. Of course, as always, the fuqueres making the decisions rarely suffer the downsides of their orders.

Gmpatriot
Gmpatriot
  Harrington Richardson
July 8, 2023 6:58 pm

If you have to esplain, he wouldnt get it……

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe
July 8, 2023 11:34 am

Killers gonna kill; warmongers gonna Mong. When they run out of cluster shells they’ll move on to biological, chemicals, and tac nucs. Then it’s on to strategic nucs, ICBMs, and sub middles. At what point will we be on the receiving end of all this hellfire?

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe
  Daddy Joe
July 8, 2023 11:35 am

Sorry, sub missiles!

TCS
TCS
  Daddy Joe
July 9, 2023 10:28 pm

Before you know it they’ll be playing pianos with their dicks! Oh, shit. Wait a minute…

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis
July 8, 2023 12:33 pm

Despicable….Still blowing the legs off kids in Southeast Asia 50 years later, and also injured quite a few American troops at the time…

Jdog
Jdog
July 8, 2023 4:30 pm

Biden is an even worse war criminal that Bush.. They both belong behind bars…

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
July 8, 2023 5:03 pm

The decision, likely illegal, was made because the U.S. and its allies have run out of other 155mm munitions.

This is not the reason FJB’s handlers are sending cluster munitions. They are sending those for the same reason they sent Leopard tanks (from the Germans), Bradley fighting vehicles, depleted uranium rounds, and F-16’s. They are sending those for the same reason they blew up the Nord Stream pipeline and attacked the Crimea Bridge. They want to provoke Russia into a war with NATO (the U.S.). Fortunately, Putin is not as dumb as FJB’s handlers or we would be in a war.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dying Sun
July 8, 2023 8:09 pm

They also want to remove old weapons and ammo, so they can get a huge bump in ‘defense’ spending.