How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

Guest Post by Moon of Alabama

While this piece will touch on the war in Ukraine it is more about the U.S., and the Biden administration, and how they will cope with their  defeat in their war on Russia. Please keep that in mind when commentating.

Washington’s moment of recognizing the defeat in Ukraine, and its consequences, has yet to arrive.

In his latest piece (archived) Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:

There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. “It’s all lies,” the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.

The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.

“The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”

The differences between the current CIA and the more neoconned Defense Intelligence Agency extend to their view on China:

A byproduct of the Biden administration’s neocon hostility to Russia and China—exemplified by the remarks of Secretary of State Tony Blinken, who has repeatedly stated that he will not currently countenance a ceasefire in Ukraine—has been a significant split in the intelligence community. One casualty are the secret National Intelligence Estimates that have delineated the parameters of American foreign policy for decades. Some key offices in the CIA have refused, in many cases, to participate in the NIE process because of profound political disagreement with the administration’s aggressive foreign policy. One recent failure involved a planned NIE that dealt with the outcome of a Chinese attack on Taiwan.I have reported for many weeks on the longstanding disagreement between the CIA and other elements of the intelligence community on the prognosis of the current war in the Ukraine. CIA analysts have consistently been far more skeptical than their counterparts at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) on the prospect for a Ukraine success. The American media has ignored the dispute, but the London-headquartered Economist, whose well-informed reporters do not get bylines, has not.

The DIA is still saying that the Ukrainian army has a chance, a small one though, to break through the Russian lines. The White House still seems to believe in that. The CIA knows that the Ukraine is done.

Alastair Crooke, in a talk (vid) with Judge Napolitano, says that the moment of truth will only arrive in November.

But what will happen when everyone recognizes and acknowledges, if silently, that the war on Russia has failed?

Michael Brenner argues that the US Can’t Deal With Defeat:

Ukraine, today, has suffered huge losses of even greater (proportional) magnitude [than the German Wehrmacht in the Battle of Kursk], without achieving any significant territorial gains, unable even to reach the first layer of the Surovikin Line. That will clear the road to the Dnieper and beyond for the 600,000 strong Russian army equipped with weaponry the equal of what the West has given Ukraine. Hence, Moscow is poised to exploit its decisive advantage to the point where it can dictate terms to Kiev, Washington, Brussels et al.

The Biden administration has made no plans for such an eventuality, nor have its obedient European governments. Their divorce from reality will make this state of affairs all the more stunning — and galling. Bereft of ideas, they will flounder. How they will react is unknowable. We can say with certainty one thing: the collective West, and especially the U.S., will have suffered a grave defeat. Coping with that truth will become the main order of business.

Here is a menu of options for handling it:

Redefine what is meant by defeat, victory, failure, success, loss, gain. There is a new narrative that is scripted to stress these talking points: …

This narrative already has been given an airing in speeches by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Acting Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Its target audience is the American public; nobody outside the Collective West buys it, though — whether Washington has registered that fact of diplomatic life or not.Retroactively Scale Back the Goals & Stakes

Cultivate Amnesia

Next: China

It is likely that the administration will use all four options to make the pain and memory of defeat go away. Declare victory over Russia  because Russia was stopped at the border with Poland. Then forget about all the details and consequences and move towards war on China.

That could end catastrophically.

The focal shift from Russia in Europe to China in Asia is less a mechanism for coping with defeat than the pathological reaction of a country that, feeling a gnawing sense of diminishing prowess, can manage to do nothing more than try one final fling at proving to itself that it still has the right stuff — since living without that exalted sense of self is intolerable.

The U.S. was fortunate, in the case of Vietnam, that the United States’ dominant position in the world outside of the Soviet Bloc and the PRC allowed it to maintain respect, status and influence.Things have now changed, though. The U.S. relative strength in all domains is weaker, strong centrifugal forces around the globe are producing a dispersion of power, will and outlook among other states. The BRICs phenomenon is the concrete embodiment of that reality.

Hence, the prerogatives of the United States are narrowing, its ability to shape the global system in conformity with its ideas and interests are under mounting challenge, and premiums are being placed on diplomacy of an order that seems beyond its present aptitudes.

The U.S. is confounded.

Major offices in the CIA, according to Hersh, have recognized the danger of such plans. It may well be the reason why the CIA’s informal spokesmen, David Ignatius, and others wrote that Biden should step down.

If he doesn’t the neoconservatives around him will have a great incentive to move on China as fast as possible. As Biden will have difficulties in winning next year’s election he needs some objective that can unify the country. A war that he can claim the U.S. will win is one. Some hostile naval exchanges with China will follow.

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72 Comments
falconflight
falconflight
September 22, 2023 11:49 am

“When it becomes serious, you have to lie.” Jean-Claude Juncker, former EU Prez.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 22, 2023 11:57 am

By prosecuting disliked politicians they have dirt on.

See:Bob Menendez.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 1:09 pm

Anyone else notice most the news was suddenly pointing out the border issue?

It’s a real squirrel being used as a squirrel.

Credit
Credit
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 1:16 pm

Joe doesn’t worry because it’s his zionist project. A Jewish administration in the US combined with a Jewish administration in Ukraine, has appointed 3 Jewish led financial Companies (JPM, GS and Blackrock) to rebuild and appointed a jewess Penny Pritzker to oversee this theft. That’s why they are allowing foreigners to buy farmland now, so that Jewish oligarchs can profit from the death. I’d estimate 400,000 minimum Christian soldiers have died on both sides while the mayor of Kiev closes, and will confiscate 74 Christian churches, after Zelensky arrests priests. People should understand that they want their “Pale of Settlement” Ashkenazi homeland returned to them. And our taxes are paying for it. Genociding Ukrainian and Russian Christians is just a bonus for the psychopaths.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Credit
September 22, 2023 3:31 pm

Not going to happen…it’s pure show..When the Russians take over, they will rebuild the Ukraine with their money and according to their desires…See Naked Capitalism…

The Coming Ukraine Collapse and the “Rebuilding” Headfake

Credit
Credit
  pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 4:44 pm

Read it just now. Disagree. Russia will keep their ukie holdings and maybe grab Odessa. Oligarchs will take over western Ukrainian resources- farmland, utilities etc. and cease hostilities happily for these goodies.

Diogenes' Dung
Diogenes' Dung
  Credit
September 23, 2023 11:23 am

Putin understands that Ukraine, from Kiev to Poland’s border, will have no essential infrastructure or a workforce that can rebuild and operate it. Ukraine won’t be an economic millstone around Russia’s neck. They’ll let Poland have it and force its crushing burdens onto Nazi oligarchs.

Odessa will be a Russian port, for three very important reasons. It will incorporate Transnistria; deny what is left of Rump Ukraine any access to the Black Sea; and bankrupt BlackRock.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes' Dung
September 23, 2023 3:06 pm

“Nazi oligarchs”
lol

Lurker
Lurker
  Credit
September 22, 2023 7:58 pm

Perhaps Iran will be emboldened to take care of its own Ashkenazi problem.

Bob
Bob
September 22, 2023 12:14 pm

I have said here before that, in effect, I suspect the PTB might throw Biden under an entire fleet of busses or even off him, then declare the fiasco all his doing as a face saving measure. They will let the old man take the hit for their malfeasance.
If not that, then either the Ukrainians or the CIA will off Zelensky to end this and hang it on him. Russia, in my opinion, will not take him out as his further existence and horrible leadership has furthered their aims in destroying the Ukrainian army and, by proxy, the U.S. and NATO.

august
august
  Bob
September 22, 2023 1:03 pm

You’re correct on all counts, Bob.

As far as Biden goes, the man himself has no significant decisions to make; as with virtually all else in this administration, TPTB and their underlings will at some point inform Mr. Biden of his future.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  august
September 22, 2023 8:09 pm

“Yes, you can still have all the ice cream cones you want, Mr. president.”

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Bob
September 22, 2023 3:32 pm

The war is all but over, with women being fitted with body armor by the Ukies and groups of soldiers sensibly surrendering to the Russians… The Russians wouldn’t touch cokehead Zelensky, he’s an asset to them…

Diogenese
Diogenese
September 22, 2023 12:24 pm

Surface ships have been siting ducks since the Falklands war , thirty years of research and a cheap misile can still take out billion dollar ships .

zappalives
zappalives
  Diogenese
September 22, 2023 12:30 pm

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh……….dont tell the democrat party controlled mercan navy this !

Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
  zappalives
September 22, 2023 12:38 pm

That would be a shame a ship full of homos going to Davey Joneses locker.

august
august
  Gaping sphincter
September 22, 2023 4:21 pm

I’m confident that many American sail-persons are heterosexual.
Maybe even a majority!

parsec parser
parsec parser
  august
September 23, 2023 11:36 am

…unlike those Brits, whose naval traditions are rum, sodomy and the lash.

Got cabin boy?

Bob
Bob
  Diogenese
September 22, 2023 12:56 pm

Falkland war proved that when Argentina shot an exocet missile through a British ship from a loooong way off.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Bob
September 22, 2023 3:36 pm

They sank two of them, 40 years ago…Now the Russians have unstoppable hypersonic missiles…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 7:59 pm

They are only hypersonic at high altitudes.
Not possible at ground level.
It’s an air friction thing.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Diogenese
September 22, 2023 3:35 pm

The blue water navy is totally obsolete…a $12 billion carrier can be taken out by all kinds of missiles and drones….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 4:54 pm

Why are the Chinese building new warships faster than we are?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 7:24 pm

Because just like on land, even if you win you have to go in and mop up the resistance. That is never an easy task. And bombs and missiles so don’t work well for that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 8:00 pm

Ships are ocean going tanks.
In other words?
Slow moving targets.

zappalives
zappalives
September 22, 2023 12:29 pm

Losing is the new winning in the democrat party.

Rabbi Goldberg
Rabbi Goldberg
  zappalives
September 23, 2023 9:30 pm

As long as White people die, the jews consider it a victory.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 22, 2023 12:29 pm

The Joos at the State Department are just goading Russia to take all of Ukraine. Then they can do what they do best. Stab them in the back with an insurgency a la Iraq.

Shoigu Shrugged
Shoigu Shrugged
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 3:19 pm

If they would have just taken Kiev and set up a puppet government, there would have been no more insurgency than the shit they regularly put up with. Instead they are fighting a proxy war with one finger up their butt hand tied behind their back.

What is the main explanation of how Russia is winning? Solely attrition. No matter how they win now, if Russia has really killed X00,000 Ukrainians then Ukrainians are going to have a hate boner for generations.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Shoigu Shrugged
September 22, 2023 3:39 pm

It’s over…When the Ukes stop killing themselves with useless attacks, the Russians will knock out their power and they’ll surrender….

Shoigu Shrugged
Shoigu Shrugged
  pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 10:40 pm

Trust the Plan…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Shoigu Shrugged
September 22, 2023 4:56 pm

To go with the one from the Holodomor and the USSR terrors.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Shoigu Shrugged
September 22, 2023 8:02 pm

This war is against usa.
With wide open borders and an insane out of control government it seems we may have lost slready.
A shame really.

Rabbi Goldberg
Rabbi Goldberg
  Anonymous
September 23, 2023 9:31 pm

The Jewnited States ceased to exist in December of 1913. The body is simply starting to grow cold.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Shoigu Shrugged
September 22, 2023 8:12 pm

The Chechens got over it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
September 22, 2023 10:39 pm

They are working for them because it gives them power and resources for now. But lol trusting muslims.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 3:37 pm

The Russians are going to eliminate all the neo-nazis, so not much problem there….

Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
September 22, 2023 12:37 pm

They’ll blame trump lol

ursel doran
ursel doran
September 22, 2023 12:42 pm

Trump is the Biden’s MSM misdirection!
Money laundering and offshore tax avoidance are very well done in Ukraine.
Victoria Nuland did the regime change there in 2014 to set up the Obama / Biden money laundering.
Send a couple of BILLION over and get a decent kickback. Biden could NOT have sent the cash over without Obama’s OK. 10-20% of Two B?
https://thekennedybeacon.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-two-oligarchies?

B_MC
B_MC
September 22, 2023 1:29 pm

West runs out of ideas for sanctions, RT keeps running pic.twitter.com/wc95voKRpx

— RT (@RT_com) June 14, 2023

Morongobill
Morongobill
September 22, 2023 1:50 pm

comment image

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Morongobill
September 22, 2023 3:30 pm

Fake news

Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
September 22, 2023 2:17 pm

OK. We make moves against China? Ch in a which has backdoor all of the electronics our numbskull military uses and purchased from them? Like low IQ Colin Powell bought Chinese computers for the State Dept? Their ability to hack our infrastructure? How about the thousands of PLA soldiers that have strolled across the Southern border?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
September 22, 2023 3:40 pm

Not going to happen,,,,

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
September 22, 2023 5:28 pm

How do you know that “we” didn’t backdoor all the tech we let them “steal”?
Wait and see, the next big act might be a surprise ending!
All things may not be as they appear.
Let the buyer beware.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 3:28 pm

The Ukraine is dead, and the US killed it…war is hopeless and economy has collapsed…

The Coming Ukraine Collapse and the “Rebuilding” Headfake

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
September 22, 2023 5:31 pm

Ukraine completes its 30th year as a soverign state selling its sovereignty to act as a fence for all the western military gear being sold out the side door to enemies whoare probably shipping it right back inyo usa and being handed out to millions of insurgents.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 22, 2023 3:52 pm

How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

By having all the media outlets run cover while they install th Department of Gun Denial

Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 4:23 pm

They only need Comedy Central to cover that. Like everything else, I understand Kamala the Magnificent will be placed in charge of that initiative too. “Gun denial is important because denying guns will lead to guns being denied so without the denying there won’t be denial which is why gun denial initiatives are so important.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Harrington Richardson: Resurgent
September 22, 2023 5:34 pm

They were already pre-empting Kamela from all criticism by laying out the woman and black cards on the left media chans as the only possible motives.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 22, 2023 7:25 pm

Increased domestic repression

Bob
Bob
September 22, 2023 4:24 pm

Have you ever seen a rabid dog in the late stages of the disease? I have. The snarl, growl and snap at anything and nothing as they slowly succumb to the madness of the disease. I watch daily as the U.S. and the “western” world follow the same course as the doomed dog. If it were not Russia or China it would be some other nation(s). Yesterday and tomorrow we will snap at Iran and Iraq. African nations are in our sights. We sanction and embargo nation after nation even though these actions are recognized as acts of war in the international community. We have no UN approval for these actions, but we still do it and then sanction the other nations who do not want to follow our lawless edicts. Like the dog we will not last doing and being this. If we do not die on our own from the poisons of the disease, then the other nations will finally see fit to finish it for their own safety and the safety of others.

Jdog
Jdog
September 22, 2023 4:27 pm

How Will The Biden Administration Cope With Its Loss In Ukraine?

As Zelenski and the Natzi’s who run him, jump on planes bound for foreign sanctuaries with suitcases full of cash, the US Government will declare victory, claim Russia has been defeated, and make the case that the victory in Ukraine mandates backing Taiwan in their war against China….

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 22, 2023 5:25 pm

The media will be invaded by squirrel stories until they are through with the ongoing regime change.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 22, 2023 7:57 pm

How much you wanna bet they stage a pretend assassination so they can sweep through with their shiny new Department of Gun Confiscation?

Odds gotta be around 89% at this point.

Yahsure
Yahsure
September 22, 2023 10:07 pm

An economic collapse with the banks closing will give people something else to pay attention to. Hello CBDC and goodbye to freedom.

k31
k31
September 23, 2023 12:29 am

The Biden Whitehouse staff is entirely Jewish except for the technocrats the Jews need to accomplish daily functions.

Defector
Defector
September 23, 2023 4:31 am

I found a forecast by Martin Armstrong’s Socrates a year ago that the war in Ukraine will SUBSIDE April, 2026.
What that means is anyone’s guess.

Joe
Joe
September 23, 2023 9:44 am

It was never meant to be won

It was meant to bleed the us military of supplies prior to a formal coordinated land invasion by russia and china

Forearmed
Forearmed
September 23, 2023 10:21 am

The Biden administration is damn well guilty of GENOCIDE by supporting a war that was started by that Runt of a human being Volodimere Zelenskyy the Obama administration put into power. They are using Ukraine as their proxy war against Russia, who was and is only protecting their ethnic Russian Separatists in Eastern Ukraine because they did not want to be governed by and INSTALLED NAZI POS. When Zelenskyy started bombing cities in Eastern Ukraine Putin had no choice but to intervene.

Apparently, Biden’s handlers don’t give a rat’s rear end about how many Ukrainians their money is killing. How many times does America have to lose face before the world, before Americans wake up to the fact that politicians cannot be trusted with their war machine? America hasn’t won a war since WW-II and we’re sick and tired of donating our sons and daughters as government cannon fodder for none other than to satisfy the egos of psychopaths who control the lying propaganda.

This must be stopped or America will become, what it is tittering on the brink of, which is third-world dictatorship !

Rabbi Goldberg
Rabbi Goldberg
  Forearmed
September 23, 2023 9:34 pm

The whole world lost WWII when the jewish bankers won.

Anonymous
Anonymous
September 23, 2023 11:20 am

A Leopard tank crew was captured this morning , and they were active members of the German Army.
The war in Ukraine will continue with eurocreeps and American troops.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
September 23, 2023 3:04 pm

Source?

Falcon101
Falcon101
September 23, 2023 11:38 am

To overcome the massive losses in the Ukraine, Biden and his handlers will have to resort to mass distractions to divert attention away from those losses meaning there will be huge “Events”, likely all around the world to distract us from the events in Ukraine. I’m guessing there will be a major uptick in a viral “Epidemic” to return people to a state of fear so they can remove your human rights and accomplish their goals of TOTAL CONTROL.

TheTruthBurns
TheTruthBurns
September 23, 2023 8:02 pm

Biden will recognize getting Fist Fucked with a Russian nuke straight up his Ass & everyone else in the District of Criminals(Demon Coven)

Rabbi Goldberg
Rabbi Goldberg
  TheTruthBurns
September 23, 2023 9:36 pm

Someone once mentioned that if nooks were dropped on every major American city, we would become a White Christian majority nation again. Nooks are no threat and never have been; to burn the nog-filled liberal cancer hives away with holy fire would be chemo to a dying nation, and the jews would never allow it to happen.

What would we lose if the 20 largest cities were incinerated? A few million nogs and some hebrew-owned real estate? Let it burn.

Rabbi Goldberg
Rabbi Goldberg
September 23, 2023 9:28 pm

Like every other war in modern history, this is just another case of jews sending White men to die while they steal the money but fight none of the conflict. The jews were allowed to flee the closed borders while Ukrainian grandmothers were given guns and told to die to protect jewish money laundering. All while their jew government is doing celebrity tours.

No more brother wars.

Rebbe Schmeckelstein
Rebbe Schmeckelstein
  Rabbi Goldberg
September 23, 2023 10:06 pm

Correctly thinking this is a war between jewish oligarchs and their puppet elites, with stupid goyim as the sacrifice, is pure anti-semitism!

Splish_Splash
Splish_Splash
September 24, 2023 1:39 pm

There is portion of Americans, I don’t know the percentage, who cannot and will not face the truth ever, no matter what – they simply mouth what the MSM has been feeding them! ON ALL SUBJECTS! THE ULTIMATE – SHEEPLE!