So There Was A Man….

Although I usually find this author to be interesting, I also find him to be a bit long winded. Lawyers and engineers will always write in three or four words what I would write in one.

BUT – this parable is a bit different. It’s something that I think everyone will enjoy reading…

Steve C.

From The Website: The Market Ticker – Commentary on The Capital Markets on 09/25/2023

So There Was A Man….

By Karl Denninger

…. who found himself before St. Peter at the age of 50.

St. Peter said to him I didn’t expect you for quite some time yet — 50 is rather young. Why are you here?

The man knew St. Peter was aware of the circumstances, but he decided to play along and told him: I was walking back to my car after eating dinner out and a man accosted me, demanding my wallet while pointing a gun in my face. Turning the other cheek, as Christ has commanded, I gave it to him. He shot me and thus I’m here.



St Peter remarked You are an interesting case indeed. Even at the most-serious of moments you did indeed turn the other cheek. And this was not the only time that you believed you were honoring Christ’s words under extreme circumstances, was it?

Oh no the man replied. 20 years ago my daughter was raped in our home. I was compelled to not commit blood lust in the heat of the moment, for that could not un-rape her after all. Instead I called the police after he ran off.

Ah, this is the problem you see mused St. Peter. That man who raped your daughter is in Hell today, having been killed a few weeks later while attempting another rape; while the police did their best and I cannot fault their response and pursuit of the assailant these things take time. I remember that man quite-well and his case was an easy decision. But before he came before me, and after your encounter, in fact the very next day he raped a prostitute. The prostitute, like most who are in that trade, had a pimp and was deathly afraid of revealing that an unpaid sex act had occurred, so she didn’t tell him. She became pregnant and when she began to show the pimp ejected her from his harem. At this point she was both broke and lived in a state where she had no choice but to bear the child, and did so.

But she didn’t want that child. The boy grew up on the streets. He was taught how to shoot by a gang member when he was six. He committed his first armed robbery when he was eight, and his first rape at twelve. Being a juvenile he was repeatedly slapped on the wrist and never forced to pay for any of his crimes even though they were quite heinous. By mere luck he had not killed anyone up until a few minutes ago.

Just by happenstance, this is the man who held you up tonight and killed you.

You are dead, and myriad others have been raped, robbed and otherwise abused, because you believed that Christ’s admonition to “turn the other cheek” meant you should not act against someone who aggresses against you or someone you are responsible for — or who credibly threatens to do so.

But in making that evaluation you deliberately left out of your analysis the single Commandment Christ actually put forth not in a parable but as an actual Commandment, in clear language. That Commandment, which Christ did indeed charge all with is to love your neighbor as yourself.

To allow your daughter to be raped was a heinous sin against this Commandment. You had large kitchen knives in the house. Your son’s baseball bat was propped up against his door, which was right at-hand. Your fireplace tools, a few steps away, include a poker made out of solid steel. You had multiple weapons with which to arm yourself and terminate not only his assault but the capacity to assault others.

Further, and to that same point, your neighbor is not limited to your kin, of course. Indeed you knew this man attacking your daughter was a monster as he had demonstrated that by his actions. We shoot a rabid animal not because we hate it but because it will bite other people, giving them rabies and quite-possibly killing them. Even though that animal might be your dog and your best friend you must kill it in this circumstance because it has lost its mind and if you do not it will do monstrous things, and you are certain of this. Your duty to others loving them as you love yourself, commands that since you can stop that from happening you must.

I cannot overlook that the harm which occurred as a result of your decision was not prospective or speculative, nor can I overlook the sin that caused it, for which you are unrepentant. Both the harm and sin were extremely serious. Several other women were raped and many were robbed. A second person was created, turned into a monster while being brought to adulthood and loosed upon the population, committing even more mayhem. While Christ never directly commanded that you are your brother’s keeper, he made clear that you must bear the burdens you know of and can influence in 6 Galatians, where it is also made clear that what a man sows, he shall reap.

Your defense in this regard is pacifism, but in the face of reality, which is often violent even though we would all wish otherwise, your argument boils down to cowardice, and while only Revelations directly speaks to cowardice as a sin it is as assured a principle as any, all the way back to Moses.

For this reason I cannot admit you to Heaven and being unrepentant I also cannot commit you to purgatory. However, I can arrange for you to meet the person who killed you again, as he is in the throes of a fentanyl overdose and will soon be here. You shall have to negotiate whatever you may wish to in that regard with the man in the Red Suit, and it will be quite a bit warmer there, with some obnoxious odors, than you’re used to.

Fare thee well sir, for unfortunately you have been judged and found wanting.

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26 Comments
ryan
ryan
October 2, 2023 8:20 am

Kill them all and let God sort them out.

zappalives
zappalives
  ryan
October 2, 2023 2:27 pm

Thank you for the clarity.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 2, 2023 8:54 am

Of course, Peter is not the Just Judge.

k31
k31
  Iska Waran
October 2, 2023 11:15 am

These pagans don’t even know the basics of Christianity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  k31
October 2, 2023 7:54 pm

Ha ha!

flash
flash
October 2, 2023 9:40 am

Tolerance is not a Christian virtue …never was…never will be.

flash
flash
  flash
October 2, 2023 10:26 am

Logos…you won’t have to ask nobody…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
October 2, 2023 7:55 pm

It’s a design defect.

B_MC
B_MC
October 2, 2023 10:18 am

Also Karl….

On The Non-Aggression Principle

The short form is that one may not initiate aggression against another person or their property.

In most views, “initiate” means just that; responding to actual aggression or a credible threat is perfectly acceptable.

Contemplate this situation:

You, and your family, live on a large piece of land upon which you grow food and raise small animals for meat. You do not have any money for a well (or its post-SHTF and there is nobody to drill one anyway) but you do have a cistern of 1,000 gallon capacity and the means to collect rainwater and funnel it in there. It rains infrequently on your land, but in sufficient quantity, over a month’s time, to provide you and your family with sufficient water to be ok — defined as about 20 gallons per day between the four of you, four gallons of which (one each) is necessary for human life, and the rest for cooking, sanitation and similar.

One night you catch a man with a one-gallon container stealing the water in the cistern. He can only steal one gallon, as that’s all he has for a container. You’re well-aware that this is only one minimum daily ration for him and your cistern is full.

Do you shoot him?

You have to shoot him immediately and in addition you have to post his dead body where others can see it, with a sign explaining why he got shot. If you don’t you and your family will eventually die. It is a mathematical certainty.

Why?

Because if he gets away with it he will teach others that they can steal your water by mere example if not by direct communication. Your supply is finite. You will survive one person stealing a gallon of water but if 1,000 people each steal a gallon you and your family are all dead the next time it fails to rain as expected, and eventually it will. The first person who steals and others observe or are told that there is no consequence will lead to others choosing to steal as well. This is an exponential series and zero exponential series are ever sustainable on this rock, as it is of finite size, mass and resource. Appealing to morality is both stupid and pointless; if that is what you rest your argument on you had better square it with the fact that you are, by doing so, committing suicide and murdering your family, proving that you care less for them than for the thief, at the same time. What does your God and moral code say about that?

Now let’s add to this and make the analysis even more-stark: Unless his theft is one-time, he will not imprint that act on anyone else and you can prove it if you don’t kill him immediately you are going to have to kill many more people and the longer you wait the more-likely it is you will need to kill an exponentially-larger number. You should have a distaste for killing other people generally (only the mentally deranged do not) but if killing must done it is clearly less-distasteful to kill one person than to kill ten — or a hundred.

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anonym
anonym
  B_MC
October 2, 2023 7:14 pm

Nah. I believe in the rule of three. Once can be let go. Twice deserves a warning. Three times? You have a chronic water thief on your hands, act accordingly.

Porteno
Porteno
  B_MC
October 3, 2023 12:08 pm

Karl always wants others to do the fighting.

He prefers, for himself, to just sit on his porch and yell “Get off my lawn!!”

k31
k31
October 2, 2023 11:14 am

I really can’t stomach all the heresy when non-Christians try to write these things.

Hollow man
Hollow man
October 2, 2023 11:26 am

That was excellent.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
October 2, 2023 12:11 pm

They way I have heard “turn the other cheek” interpreted is that when you are dealing with another Christian who sins against you, you are not to take revenge but to use the tools within the church that you have been given to work this out. It was never meant to be interpreted that you should not defend yourself or others.
Strict Mennonites are guilty of interpreting this the wrong way.

Off the top of my head I can’t remember which NT Epistle this was in but basically one is to try to work the issue out with the person. If that doesn’t work you get another 1 or 2 to help you. If that doesn’t work you take it to your church leaders. If the person is still unrepentant I think he is to be banned from church until he is repentant.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  Mary Christine
October 2, 2023 2:44 pm

You stated it beautifully. I would even go so far to say is treat those charitable that would treat you charitable. This doesn’t include anyone who is about to rob or harm you.

m
m
October 2, 2023 1:39 pm

I sure want Karl to interpret the bible for me.

zappalives
zappalives
October 2, 2023 2:30 pm

We need BIBLE cat to sort this out for us heathens.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
October 2, 2023 4:23 pm

The mess that’s always created when spiritualizing verses to make a point is legendary.

JESUS WASN’T TALKING TO YOU in the red letters. The letters are red to make you believe that those words are more important than the others. THEY ARE NOT.

Jesus sent Paul to speak with us.

Romans 12:18 KJB… “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”

Y’all see that “if” right there? Thank God for it. Live by it.

When Jesus said to turn the other cheek, He meant it.

Matthew 10:28 KJB… “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Temporal existence was nowhere near as important as entrance into life eternal in the Kingdom. And, to put a sharper edge on this here blade, examine how He opened this “red letter” dialog…

Matthew 10:5-6 KJB… “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But GO RATHER to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Christs earthly ministry is to the believing remnant of the nation Israel.

The Bible isn’t hard to understand when you simply believe what it says. Twisting scripture makes a mockery of Gods word and has rendered the church nearly ineffectual.

k31
k31
  grace country pastor
October 2, 2023 6:15 pm

Your interpretation is overly narrow, not accounting for the complete works.

There are hidden assumptions about the lost sheep of Israel.

Rightly dividing means to understand what is written, not to split it up into an incoherent mess. It is interesting how scripture twisters think the orthodox are the ones doing it. Maybe it requires instruction from people very broadly knowledgeable about of the Bible and its languages to help people put it all into the proper context and not a lot of people are receiving that, even though its the explicit responsibility of the pastoral office.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  k31
October 2, 2023 6:34 pm

Read the words. They are as plain as day. Remarkable you think what I wrote is an incoherent mess…. I’ve “interpreted” nothing, I’ve only provided the verses. It’s up to you whether to believe them or not.

Again; when Christ said to turn the other cheek, He meant it.

k31
k31
  grace country pastor
October 2, 2023 6:47 pm

Of course He meant it, but that doesn’t mean context doesn’t matter. The Sermon on the Mount was written to us all to convict us of our sin and show it matters in our hearts as well. Our salvation can not possibly rest on keeping it all every day until death.

Other red letters are specifically to the Apostles, but obviously He wants us to know about it. Timothy doesn’t assign parts of the Bible based on ethnicity, but says “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.”.

As for incoherent mess, I was referring to dispensationalism which I concede you aren’t explicit with here.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  k31
October 3, 2023 12:50 pm

The Sermon on the Mount was written to us all to convict us of our sin and show it matters in our hearts as well.

No, it wasn’t. Have you even read it? It was written to the Jewish faithful who were seeing the Kingdom finally “at hand”. Those are explicit instructions taken directly from the prophets of old. Study them, it’s all written down afore time.

Of course all scripture is profitable; what most do not realize is that 95% isn’t written about us. Get over yourself. Jesus wasn’t sent to you…

John 1:11 KJB… “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.”

Jesus sent Paul to you.

Romans 11:13 KJB… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”

fritz
fritz
  grace country pastor
October 2, 2023 11:54 pm

Except when Jesus (bound) was slapped in the face by a guard while being questioned by Annas and replied “If there is something wrong in what I said, point it out; but if there is no offence in it, why do you strike me?”(John 18:21-24) doesn’t sound like he turned the other cheek…as a matter of fact if one actually reads the Holy Scripture with prayer one will discover my Lord Jesus was no wuss in many passages including whipping the money changers and turning over tables in the temple….

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  fritz
October 3, 2023 12:56 pm

The Lord is no wuss indeed. It takes far more strength to NOT retaliate against direct attack than to ward it off. It takes great strength and certain knowledge of one’s eternal destiny to offer one’s life for the sake of many.

Matthew 20:28 KJB… “Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

Ycnadnuder
Ycnadnuder
October 2, 2023 7:54 pm

A good case.

CaptainAmerica
CaptainAmerica
October 2, 2023 8:56 pm

Nature hates weakness. So do I. Nations are not born or preserved by praying, voting or typing. We are in a war, about time we answer the Leftist masses. Hail Victory.