Keeping Tabs on the (Popped?) Bubble

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Has the current housing bubble – which inflated such that it apparently now costs around $400k to purchase the average home – popped?

It seems to have – in my area, at least.

I keep track of the local real estate ebb and flow because it is a barometer of the other things, such as the changing demographics of my area, which (when I moved here back in 2003) was very rural and very affordable for exactly that reason. One could buy a house on several acres of land for less than $200k. Ordinary people, in other words, could afford to live in a single-family home on a few acres of land.

That changed – suddenly – during the (cough) “pandemic,” probably for several reasons – the most obvious reason being the mass exodus from the (blue) cities to (red) and rural areas, where (ironically) the “blues” sought refuge from the Hell they had created in their former areas. This exodus was facilitated by work-from-home arrangements that the “pandemic” enabled that specifically favored people whose work consisted of paperwork (done online) as opposed to going places and doing/making things.

These people were being paid the same (high) salaries that they had been getting when they lived in the blue (expensive) urban and suburban areas but – thanks to the “pandemic” – they were now able to work (and live) where the cost of living was half as high. This – along with record low interest rates – created a boom in demand for existing houses and land that drove up the prices to surreal (for this area) heights.

As an example:

There is a house not far down the road from where I live that sold for around $100k when it was built about the same time I moved here. It is actually a manufactured home – but it sits on an acre of land which – back in Northern Virginia, where I lived when this home was manufactured – would have cost around $100k just for the land. So it was a deal – for someone who wanted a home with some land.

That same house sold for $200k two years ago. It was just listed – a few weeks ago – for just shy of $220k. This week, the price has been reduced to just under $200k.

It hasn’t sold yet.

Probably because even at a relatively modest $200k, at 7.3 percent interest, a loan for this home would cost its putative owner around $1,500 per month, assuming the putative owner can swing a $20,000 cash (10 percent) down payment. How many people contemplating the purchase of a manufactured home have $20,000 in cash for a down payment?

A Northern Virginia government worker might have that. But he’d probably have to sell his house in Northern Virginia first. And a typical house in Northern Virginia sells for a great deal more than the $400k asking price of the average house. My old house in Northern Virginia is a $600k house now. When I bought it back in the ’90s, it was a $150k house.

And that’s why I was able to buy it.

It was – it is – a small house on a small lot in a not-so-great-neighborhood house. Yet it is now a more-than-half-a-million-dollar house. Such a house – today, at 7.3-something percent interest – would cost you just shy of $4k per month to buy. Assuming you could come up with 20 percent down in cash – which would amount to $120,000.

Even well-paid government workers – who are in the fine position of having the power to make us pay for their work – will probably have trouble swinging that. Maybe they can manage 10 percent down. That would only amount to $60,000 in cash needed to close. But then, they putative buyer would need to be able to swing a monthly mortgage payment of close to $4,500.

Not many can. So houses like my old one in Northern Va aren’t selling, either. Which means people wanting to live here are stuck there. Which is probably why the $200k manufactured home down the road from me may not sell – until the price gets reduced, again. Maybe all the way back to somewhere closer to what it’s actually worth, which is around $120k.

And then ordinary people may be able to afford a home with some land, again.

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32 Comments
Anonymous
Anonymous
October 25, 2023 5:14 pm

Excellent points.
Thankyou.

poordude
poordude
October 25, 2023 5:27 pm

We bought a house in Sussex County NJ (rural area) in 2001 on 1.6 acres for $220,000. We recently sold the house for $405,000. We went into the market at $419,000 and had a lot of lookers and no buyers. Lowered it to $405,000 and sold it the next day. A year and a half ago real estate agents were telling us they could sell it for $450,000 in one week. We bought a nice place in rural Kansas with 3.5 acres for $347,000. Kansas is so much better than NJ is it difficult to describe. You just feel better here. For example, Kansas is constitutional carry state, no vehicle inspections, no state tax on social social security, real estate taxes here are 25% of NJ’s, and many others.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  poordude
October 25, 2023 7:20 pm

7 miles from Kansas:

nicholsonauction.com

poordude
poordude
  poordude
October 25, 2023 7:23 pm

We lived in NJ because of work. When we retired we immediately started a plan to sell and move. We have been voting repub forever. Double Trump voters (the wife and I) but we were simply outnumbered in vast amounts in NJ. Plus, it looks like NJ elections are corrupt. You simply can not vote out the dems. We moved to Kansas and brought our repub thinking with us. It is good here. Trump rules here. Repub thinking rules here.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  poordude
October 26, 2023 3:09 am

………..aaaaaaand,depending on the area,fewer blacks.

Melty
Melty
October 25, 2023 5:36 pm

Want housing prices to go down? The sure fire way is to bring in spooks and let them become the majority in a neighborhood and you will get your wish?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Melty
October 25, 2023 6:02 pm

I think Disney-Pixar has a documentary coming out about that.

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YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Anonymous
October 25, 2023 7:03 pm

Hahahahahahahahaha!

BL
BL
  YourAverageJoe
October 25, 2023 10:02 pm

Pixar is doing documentary films now? LOL…..

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  Anonymous
October 25, 2023 11:56 pm

OMG, I’m sorry but that is some funny shitttt maaaan !!!!

zappalives
zappalives
  Anonymous
October 26, 2023 1:19 am

Dat sow gotz de niggerlips.

Tom MacGyver
Tom MacGyver
October 25, 2023 6:27 pm

There’s enough blame to go around here. True, the leftwinger in the blue city wants to move away from the hell he created. The thing I hear all the time is “Those damned people from California moved to Texas and drove up the house prices!” Really? How did the Californian moving to Texas drive up the house prices in Texas? No, it was more like the SELLER in TEXAS, along with the greedy real estate agent, saying “Here comes a Californian. You KNOW he just sold his house in L.A for over a million. We can jack the price of this house up DOUBLE and he’ll STILL think he’s getting a bargain!” And so goes the process of the locals in Texas inflating the selling prices of their houses and pricing themselves out of their own housing market. Pretty soon, the houses are too expensive for the locals. The out-of-staters don’t see them as a bargain either, and they look elsewhere. The local market stalls, and the “FOR RENT. SECTION EIGHT OK” signs go up. There goes the neighborhood…

I know this because I SAW this happen… in California…

Cricket
Cricket
  Tom MacGyver
October 25, 2023 6:49 pm

This happens all the time where I live. City slickers from Toronto sell POS century homes for well over 7 figures, and move out to my small town suburb, either to a newer subdivision house or places with more land out in the surrounding countryside. All of a sudden 40 year old houses that originally sold for around $130K and 20 year old houses that originally sold for around 350K are selling for well over a million dollars. Meanwhile new build townhouses on 19 ft wide lots also cost well north of a million dollars.

At least some city slicker ahole will pay me far more than I paid for my subdivision house and I’ll have enough cash to buy a place with land out west for less than half of what it costs here, and fade into the country side.

My town used to be a nice place to live, but the city slickers have ruined this country by voting for politicians who support ever more taxes, social programs and unlimited immigration by people from countries who oppose western values. My town is full of browners and ever more row after row of new townhouses. I can’t wait to GTF away from living around here.

Jdog
Jdog
  Cricket
October 26, 2023 11:04 am

There are so many shitbags that have to Idaho from CA and WA that they have totally ruined it. May as well be in CA now, as the assholes may be conservatives, but they still act like self centered, stressed out, self entitled scumbags. I wish they would all fuck off and die.

Uturn
Uturn
  Tom MacGyver
October 25, 2023 8:58 pm

Takes two to Tango. I would not blame it on the seller. What is anything worth? What a willing buyer and a willing seller are willing to pay for it. You lie if you say you would not get the best price for anything you sell. So just stop. it.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Tom MacGyver
October 26, 2023 1:07 pm

I saw it happen in Beverly Hills (not that I lived there — I was living in one of the endless LA barrios) in the mid-’70s after the first OPEC oil price jump.

Lots of jews from Iran moved to BH … and the existing jews in BH hated them for causing them to sell their homes to them at 2-3x their true worth … 

Copperhead
Copperhead
October 25, 2023 7:37 pm

The housing prices in NW Montana exploded during COVID. They haven’t really dropped in price yet even with the high interest rates. Locals are screwed.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Copperhead
October 25, 2023 9:22 pm

OMG!!! Has the Dental Floss crop been harvested?

Spent a night in Kalispell in 2005. Phyllis, met you at the Whitefish Lake Lodge…are you stlll there?

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 25, 2023 8:42 pm

Any way we can get rid of the daily tick pictures?

johnyy
johnyy
  Anonymous
October 25, 2023 9:04 pm

Seconded! They are so gross they make me want to not visit the site.

GNL
GNL
  Anonymous
October 25, 2023 9:29 pm

Pay Jim’s salary.

various beans & Elmers' glue pics?
various beans & Elmers' glue pics?
  Anonymous
October 25, 2023 10:09 pm

This way to the egress?

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter
  various beans & Elmers' glue pics?
October 25, 2023 11:59 pm

Are they adds related to Lymphoma ?, I got em too , wierd shit , almost hard to believe a human came up with them . A .I .gone mad ?

Adguard® 'bout $40/yr. up to 9 devices i think
Adguard® 'bout $40/yr. up to 9 devices i think
  Simplecarpenter
October 26, 2023 10:27 am

almost hard to believe a human came up with them . A .I .gone mad ?

Currently? Having EXTREME difficulty believing some of the “HUMANS” to which we are exposed on a regular basis ARE HUMAN.

👁️ Turn the Blocker off occasionally/temporarily, @/On various sites, It blocks some things i WANT to see. User submitted Meme’s/Pics/etc. for instance.

Contacted the Co., Various written excuses why this happens, mostly they blame Apple OS. NO phone support available. By ALL their respective “Wordings” (Syntax?) NOT american.

“Lymphoma”?

“Plaque Psoriasis” is/was a biggie. The Ads “are related” to a variety of maladies/afflictions/conditions.

Freakiest one (to me) LOOKED LIKE individual Human Teeth completely covering a head & Torso.

Many suggest various anatomical parts. Intentional prurient appeal.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition
  Anonymous
October 26, 2023 2:27 am

When you use a moniker/handle instead of “anonymous” then the adverts are removed.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
October 25, 2023 9:18 pm

Eric, you do know what Copper Hiil and the surrounding East TN area was like in the mid-1970s, right?

It was a wasteland of denuded foliage from lead & copper smelting. For 40+ miles along US 64 (I believe).

It’s now recovered. And McCaysville (GA) Drugs & Guns is a hoot. Blue Ridge, GA might be one of the safest places to live in the USA.

august
august
  lamont cranston
October 26, 2023 5:45 am

Blue Ridge, GA:

0.7%

Hammuh
Hammuh
October 25, 2023 9:25 pm

You can’t get a normal mortgage on a manufactuted home so interest rates are even higher. Chattel loans are at least 2% higher.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Hammuh
October 26, 2023 9:15 am

Insurance is a problem, too. Insurance companies hate manufactured homes.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Mary Christine
October 26, 2023 1:11 pm

Manufactured homes … what we used to call house trailers when I was growing up in Ohio … often our first line of defense against tornadoes …

Jdog
Jdog
October 26, 2023 10:58 am

The housing market like the rest of the economy is basically a Ponzi scheme. Nearly all the wealth in the US is now basically paper wealth based on unrealistic asset valuations. Almost no one owns any cash or liquid wealth.
The entire country is in a “scared money position”. A scared money position, is when you are so leveraged and vulnerable that if anything at all goes wrong, you have to make very bad decisions based on fear, because you do not have the real wealth to sustain a period of negative cash flows.
That describes not only the personal finances of most consumers, but the financial condition of most business.
When the dam breaks, you will see the real estate market flooded with inventory as people try in vain to preserve some of their paper profits, or simply try to sell before the property is repossessed and they end up with nothing.
For the people in debt, what is coming is going to be sheer hell. For those with wealth, it is going to be mother of all buying markets…

Walter
Walter
October 26, 2023 11:53 pm

Torn about that.