Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that the US and EU strategy of indefinitely funding Ukraine’s battle with Russia, in the hope that an unlikely battlefield loss will bring about regime change in Moscow, is futile.
Instead of trying to localize the conflict, the West decided to escalate, making it global, Orban said last week at an event celebrating the 90th anniversary of the Swiss conservative weekly Weltwoche, in Zurich.
“What was the strategy of the West in that war? I’m simplifying it a little bit, but this is the fact. Our strategy was that the Ukrainians will fight and will win on the front line. The Russians will lose… and that loss will create a change in Moscow,” he explained, according to a video of the speech published by Zoltan Kovacs, a spokesman for the Hungarian government on Sunday.
“That was the strategy: We finance, the Ukrainians fight and die,” he added. However, he said, “where we are now, it is obvious that the Ukrainians will not win on the front line.”
“There is no solution on the battleground. The Russians will not lose. There will be no political change in Moscow. This is the reality,” the Hungarian leader stated.
❗️@PM_ViktorOrban: Where we are now, it’s obvious that the Ukrainians will not win on the frontline. There is no solution on the battleground. Russians will not lose. There will be no political change in Moscow. This is the reality. pic.twitter.com/d3bMes1KLX
— Zoltan Kovacs (@zoltanspox) November 26, 2023
“Russia will not lose, and nothing will change in its policy. Therefore, we must face reality. We must switch to Plan B,” Orban reiterated, adding that the European Union currently has no such plan.
Last week, Orban reportedly demanded that the EU re-examine its strategy, warning he would oppose any further aid unless the bloc’s leaders make sure their objectives are “realistically attainable” without continued US support. “The European Council must have a frank and open discussion on the feasibility of the EU’s strategic objectives in Ukraine,” Orban wrote in a letter to European Council President Charles Michel, according to Politico.
From the onset of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the Hungarian PM has been calling for a negotiated solution, rather than prolonging the crisis and risking further escalation. While he condemned Moscow’s actions, he still repeatedly clashed with Brussels, saying that sanctions against Russia are destroying European economies.
Kiev has suffered “colossal” casualties at the front, with at least 13,700 troops and approximately 1,800 tanks and other heavy weaponry lost this month alone, according to Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu. In total, according to Russian estimates, Kiev has lost more than 100,000 troops since its failed counteroffensive began in early June.
Even Ukraine’s top general, Valery Zaluzhny, previously admitted that the conflict with Russia had reached a “stalemate” and that his armed forces would likely not achieve a breakthrough in the confrontation anytime soon.
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He ain’t wrong.
For his honesty and hesitancy to go along with the isolation of Russia, the US brands him a “far right” autocrat (despite being overwhelmingly reelected) and sends Samantha Power to try to organize a color revolution against Hungary. Disgusting.
He got elected because that’s the role Finkelstein told him to play.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1n
ctrl+f Netanyahu
ctrl+f Finkelstein
Idiot.
will Victoria Nuland now go since the other bitch failed?
Current estimate of KIA/MIA in this war is 1,150 000 from Ukraine TV before being forced into retraction..
German Troops Would ‘Only Last Two Days in Battle’ Due to Ukraine Military Supplies
The battle readiness of the German Armed Forces has been severely weakened by shortages caused by continued supplies of hardware and ammo to Kiev, German MP from the opposition Christian Democratic Union (CDU) Johann Wadephul has told DPA.
von Manstein, Guderian and Rommel are long gone and they are not coming back anytime soon…..
If things are essentially stalemated, and they negotiate, who wins?
Things are not stalemated, Ukraine is losing on all fronts..There will be no negotiations until Ukraine surrenders…
Look at a map for the last year. Looks like the definition of a stalemate. Don’t go past September or so of ’22 on maps, or you will see how much Russia gave up.
I haven’t said anything about either side ‘winning’ on the battlefield, because it hasn’t happened. But as things are, WHEN there are negotiations, who wins?
Negociations!?!? There won’t be.
The winners don’t have a need to negotiate, they will simply state how things will be.
In this case Russia will keep up the attrition war until the dirtballs in usausa say uncle. Then Russia will lay out how things will be afterwards. End of story.
Name the positional, attrition wars that have ended without negotiations. I can’t think of any.
Those were some damn fine “negotiations” at Versailles, the Berlin bunker, and in Hiroshima/Nagasaki!
Versaille is exactly what I’m talking about. Which side will harbor a grudge over a stab-in-the-back this time? Which jewish banker cousins will be in the delegations for both sides?
When one side is firebombing cities and taking territory, than I agree, terms can be simply dictated.
You are sidestepping your own points now.
Was Versailles a real negotiation? Was there a “stalemate” immediately before Versailles?
There were negotiations for years, I would consider that real no matter how corrupt. Germany was in bad shape, but not beaten. Multiple generations were affected by it.
I’m trying to say, that if the Ukraine war ends as it currently stands, there have to be negotiations. This isn’t like America dictating terms to the Japs. So who will benefit? Who will get bent over?
I’d love to see some ideas that aren’t just the rhetorical equivalent of Putin ‘shopped riding a bear.
It won’t end as it currently stands, so your question is not even of rhetorical significance.
You’re thinking like an American where everything is about image and PR. “Maps” and “big arrow” offensives. Wolf Blitzer and the nightly narrative. Americans fight wars by “shocking and awing” the place, dropping bombs all over and destroying the entire country. Then we hang a “mission accomplished” banner and wait around a few years until the insurgency chases us out with our tails between our legs. The Taliban all shaved their beards and Americans thought they’d been defeated. Well, the beards are back and they’re back in charge – with $80B of American gear as a parting gift.
The demons within the American military industrial complex thought they had a brilliant plan to weigh down Russia for years with an insurgency that keeps bleeding them. They didn’t figure on Russia hunkering down behind an impenetrable defense line and grinding up all the conscripts that the Ukrainian midget actor kept throwing at them. About that territory that Russia gave up: They’d gone in light, not realizing that the Ukraine was actually going to choose to do this the hard way. Once they realized that the Ukraine was choosing to suicide themselves, they dug in and set to work assisting them in their choice.
Russia will finish when they’re finished. They’ll take whatever they want to and whatever they need to so that NATO won’t be able to try again later. Then the map will look different.
““Maps” and “big arrow” offensives. ”
Not at all. I’ve been telling people that was all hype as soon as the SMO faltered. Cheerleaders from both sides crow about casualties and 1 sq km gained at a time.
“Russia will finish when they’re finished.”
Ok? It could happen. But there is no indication of it yet.
In the meantime, I will stick by my view that this is a war to 1) enrich MIC/oligarchs and 2)kill White men. On both sides.
So why can’t you see Russia is trying to keep its losses [of men] to a minimum?
I don’t see it because I have seen Russian patriots saying otherwise, and who are we to trust? Did covid teach you nothing about trusting official figures?
And ffs, please don’t tell me you believe that mongoloid Shoigu.
Surely you can link to such Russian patriots’ statements?
As I’m now living in Russia, I have a data point of Russian losses [regular army, so w/o pmc] through the Orthodox church [funerals]. It confirms that KIA is still towards the lower end of 5-digit numbers.
So you believe the gov because you believe the church. I can see where our disconnect will always be.
Still waiting for your links…
Oh, and yes the Russian Orthodox Church and its clergy is known to lie on every single thing they’re saying. ISW is a much more trustworthy source.
Keep enjoying your delusions.
Of course you are right. Understand the same people give directions to all governments. It’s been a one world government for a long time- they just have not yet announced it.
Odessa or bust.
Is Zelenskyy planning an extended vacation?….
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy uses proxies to hide ownership of $75M yachts
An independent journalistic investigation found out that the two closest associates of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have recently purchased two luxury yachts – one in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the other in Antibes, France in October 2023. Zelenskyy’s proxies Boris and Serhiy Shefir bought yachts, the total cost of which is estimated at $75 million…
According to the documents, the first yacht, the 46-meter Italian-made Lucky me, was bought by Boris Shefir for $25,000,000 on October 18, 2023. Nasir reports and backs up with documents that a week later Serhiy Shefir, who has been Zelenskyy’s first assistant since the beginning of his presidency, became the owner of the yacht “My Legacy” worth $50,000,000…
Serhiy Shefir was appointed by Zelenskyy as the first assistant to the Ukrainian president in 2019. Later, the international Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project reported that Serhiy Shefir was involved in Zelenskyy’s so-called offshore network in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus and Belize.
https://original.newsbreak.com/@black-robet-1810930/3242361381250-ukrainian-president-zelenskyy-uses-proxies-to-hide-ownership-of-75m-yachts
he may not be planning it, but his ‘extended vacation’ will be ETERNITY.
I have friends of all political persuasion, and it is a welcome thing about being rural. Small towns are that way.
I have said that, “Russia will not lose,” since this thing started. My liberal friends and some conservative friends laughed at me at the time. None of the liberals have since reckoned I was right. They will not even talk about it now…how strange.
There is a lot of wiggle room in ‘will not lose’ as opposed to ‘will win’.
At the moment, what gains are there proof of? Territory, which Russia was not lacking. A land bridge to Crimea.
Body counts are only a gain if you want to exterminate a people, and for the most part, the soldiers dying are the same people.
Gains? they stripped the US and NATO of half of their equipment, proved that westerns “wonder weapons” ain’t very wonderful and kept the Ukraine out of NATO which is what they wanted all along,
Destroying equipment is not a gain. America had so much (crappy) equipment we leave it everywhere we go, and don’t even destroy much of it.
It has to be translated into something. You don’t defeat an enemy by destroying their equipment. If Russia has destroyed half our equipment, that only matters after the war if they either invade or sell us theirs. Otherwise it is just more profits for someone.
Was gaining 800 miles of border with NATO part of their plan?
“proved that westerns “wonder weapons” ain’t very wonderful”
Everyone with military experience knew that.
The demilitarization of NATO is making good progress.
The US and NATO are bankrupt. They cannot afford to produce replacements for what they have lost, and what they do build is crap because the entire system is corrupt, and incapable of building anything of any quality.
Now that the US cannot use its military to threaten other countries, what will it do?
If you think Russia has not won this war on all fronts you do not know shit.
the head of the snake ‘lives’ in Zurich, just saying
One of the most pragmatic leaders in the world.
The West Is Inching Closer to More Insanity in the Baltic Sea
In the Baltic Sea – home of the twisted wreckage of the Nord Stream pipelines – another pipeline was recently damaged along with telecommunications cables. Western officials are making escalatory statements and are again floating the idea of closing the “NATO lake” to Russian ships, which would likely be viewed by Moscow as an act of war. Onshore, Finland is rapidly militarizing its border with Russia. And a notable Chinese cargo ship is now at the center of the firestorm.
Over the weekend of October 8th there was an unusual drop in pressure in the Finnish-Estonian Balticconnector gas pipeline. By the morning of October 10th, an investigation had found that the pipeline had ruptured. Telecom cables linking Finland, Estonia and Sweden had also been damaged, as had a Russian telecom cable in the Gulf of Finland.
By October 20th, Finland and Estonia were pointing the finger at the Newnew Polar Bear – a Chinese vessel. The Finnish National Bureau of Investigation produced a large anchor found near the damaged pipeline, which it believes belonged to the 169-meter-long ship and likely broke off as it was dragged across the sea floor. Investigators have not explained a theory for how exactly the anchor damaged telecom cables on opposite sides of the pipeline and broke off at the Balticconector…
Interestingly, there is much more significance to the Newnew Polar Bear than just its alleged involvement in the incident with the pipeline and communication cables. From Maritime Executive:
So the Newnew was also a symbolic milestone for the increasing Russia-China trade via the North Sea route – part of the Arctic final frontier of the New Cold War where Russia already has an apparent advantage. Moscow says freight turnover in the Arctic Basin rose 4.4 percent in 2022 to 98.5 mln metric tons…
Taken altogether, it’s clear that despite the waning support for Project Ukraine, there will be no winding down of the confrontation between Europe and Russia, and the Baltic is one potential spot for tensions to rise considerably. The Caucasus and Central Asia are other hot spots, as is the Black Sea where attempts continue to sabotage the TurkStream pipeline that transports gas from Russia to Turkiye and onwards to southeastern Europe.
short interview of an american who got fed up with american culture & moved to russia —
dude, that’s a fag