400,000 Ukrainians Killed In Action Explains A Whole Lot

A peaceful resolution of this conflict was being negotiated between Russia and Ukraine in the Spring of 2022. Biden and his fascist neo-con handlers threatened/bribed Zelensky to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. The blood of these collateral damage/cannon fodder for the American Empire is on Biden’s hands. May he burn in hell for all eternity.

Authored by Mike Fredenburg via The Epoch Times,

How many casualties has Ukraine suffered?

How many causalities has Russia suffered?

Answering these questions is critical to determining the best and most moral path forward for Ukraine and the United States.

Estimates of Ukrainians killed in action (KIA) range from a low of just over 30,000 to a high of over 400,000.

Obviously, these two estimates can’t be reconciled. And it really, really matters to the people of Ukraine which one is closer to the truth. While 30,000 deaths is tragic, anything approaching 400,000 KIA and the accompanying hundreds of thousands of causalities is a humanitarian catastrophe that makes talks of continuing offensive operations next year, or even believing in a stalemate, wishful thinking that will result in even more fruitless Ukrainian deaths.

Unsurprisingly, since the war began, the United States and its allies have unswervingly pushed the narrative that Russia is incurring far more casualties than Ukraine. This casualty narrative was critical to maintaining any plausibility that Ukraine could defeat a country that has four to five times more men of military age and that was recently rated as having the world’s most powerful military. Hence, given the need to maintain the plausibility of a Ukrainian victory, it isn’t surprising that NATO intelligence asserted that the battle of Bakhmut saw Russia losing at least five soldiers KIA for every one of Ukraine’s.

However, since the fall of Bakhmut to Russia, the failure of the much-hyped Ukrainian counteroffensive, and signs that Ukraine’s military is nearing collapse, we’re no longer hearing about five-to-one casualty rates. Still, the most recent estimates from United States and British officials claim that Russia has suffered 120,000 KIA while Ukraine has suffered “only” 70,000 KIA (more than the United States suffered in over 10 years of the Vietnam War).

But not everyone agrees with U.S./British casualty estimates for an army that started the war by mobilizing early 1 million men in arms and, over the course of the war, mobilized another estimated 1 million. Among the growing number of those who don’t agree is the former director of the Joint Operations Center at Supreme Headquarters Europe and one of the key leaders in achieving the legendary victory in the mass tank battle of 73 Easting, retired U.S. Army Col. Douglas Macgregor.

In a recent interview with myself, Col. Macgregor agreed that while estimates putting Russian KIA at as high as 50,000 to 60,000 are defensible, most estimates for Ukrainian KIAs are not.

In what many will undoubtedly find shocking given the countless stories disparaging Russia’s military skills and capabilities while uncritically fawning over Ukraine’s military prowess, Col. Macgregor puts Ukrainian KIA at over 400,000 out of the 2 million Ukraine has mobilized.

Col. Macgregor arrived at this shocking number using a wide variety of sources, including contacts within U.S. intelligence and contacts on the ground in Ukraine and Poland who have intimate knowledge of what’s really happening in Ukraine.

In particular, he noted that his U.S. intelligence contacts have expressed shock as to just how far from reality the narrative being pushed by the Biden administration is from what’s happening in Ukraine and its real war losses.

Likewise, Col. Macgregor’s Ukraine contacts relayed to him accounts of thousands of wounded Ukrainians being left to die on the battlefield, growing numbers of Ukrainian commanders and troops refusing orders to conduct suicide attacks against heavily fortified Russian positions, Ukrainian soldiers surrendering en masse to Russia, hospitals overflowing with Ukrainian wounded, and many other accounts that testify to horrendous casualty rates that contradict the narrative pushed by Western media.

Additionally, Col. Macgregor’s contacts have analyzed satellite imagery showing a massive expansion of Ukrainian cemeteries and countless tens of thousands of fresh graves. Other open-source intelligence analysis has also documented in detail Ukraine’s massive expansion of cemeteries that will soon allow Ukraine to reportedly bury 1.5 million more people. And a Russian analyst using death notices and other open-source intelligence has come up with Ukrainian KIA estimates of over 300,000.

But for Col. Macgregor, it’s the totality of the reports he has seen, his understanding of historical casualty rates, his personal military experience, and information from his sources that has brought him to the conclusion that Ukraine’s KIA is a magnitude greater than what’s commonly being reported.

These numbers, coupled with the fact the war could have been avoided had President Volodymyr Zelenskyy been knowledgeable and wise enough to understand that U.S./NATO promises of victory were completely unrealistic and couldn’t be relied upon, have led Col. Macgregor, who has fond memories of growing up in a Ukrainian immigrant neighborhood, to believe that the war is an absolute disaster for Ukraine that could have and should have been avoided.

“In humanitarian terms, this tragedy has resulted in the Ukrainian nation being destroyed in a war that never needed to be fought,” Col. Macgregor said.

While Col. Macgregor isn’t alone in calling out the war as being a total disaster for Ukraine, he’s one of just a few Western military experts willing to buck a narrative whose zealotry has assumed religious overtones. But is there evidence we can look at that lends support to his assessment? In short, the answer is “Yes!”

First and foremost, history tells us artillery-centric wars such as World War I and the Ukraine-Russia war produce massive amounts of casualties and KIA. Indeed, during the short period of time America fought the Germans in World War I, it suffered 318,000 casualties, including 53,000 KIA over a period of 120 days, and another 60,000 who died due to disease and accidents. Consequently, given the advances in real-time battlefield intelligence that have been made since World War I, very high casualty rates from artillery should be expected.

And because Russia not only started the war with up to a 10 to 1 advantage in artillery power, but continues to maintain its artillery advantage while producing up to seven times more artillery shells than all other NATO nations combined, it’s Russia that one would expect to be far ahead in terms of casualty ratios. Russia’s advantage in long-range strike capability, drone warfare, and electronic warfare only add to its ability to inflict disproportionate casualties.

While the above bespeaks of Russia’s potential to deal out disproportionate casualties, the average age of Ukrainian soldiers increasing over time from roughly 32.5 years to 43 years provides concrete evidence that Ukraine has suffered catastrophic casualties over the course of the war. From a statistical perspective, this huge increase in average age fits better with Col. Macgregor’s KIA numbers than those being commonly reported by Western media. Only with very large numbers of KIA or permanently wounded can you get such a large increase in the average age of active-duty Ukrainian soldiers.

Another ominous trend highlighting the desperation of President Zelenskyy’s government is the plan to radically increase the number of women serving in the military, despite the fact that women are at a severe disadvantage to men when it comes to close combat.

Then you have stories and anecdotes describing the life expectancy at the frontlines of Bakhmut being  hours and poorly trained Ukrainian troops being rushed into combat. These kinds of stories are legion, especially in independent or non-Western media. Combined with all the other signs, this makes a strong case that Col. Macgregor’s numbers aren’t only plausible, but also help explain why Ukrainian government actions are looking increasingly desperate.

Of course, Col. Macgregor recognizes that coming up with accurate casualty numbers in the middle of a war is extremely tough, and that his estimates could be off by many thousands.

Given the strong evidence that Ukraine is suffering country-destroying casualties, talk of a stalemate, much less of successful offensive territory-gaining operations, is more about face-saving than any realistic chance of Ukraine avoiding losing.

Hence, the only moral path forward for the United States is to tell President Zelenskyy it’s well past the time to sue for peace and that he must accept neutrality and the loss of the regions that seceded from Ukraine in 2014.

This is a bitter pill to swallow for Ukrainian nationalists and those in the United States who hoped Ukraine would do far more damage to Russia, but the alternative is accelerating Ukraine’s diminishing chances of remaining a viable nation-state, a whole lot more fruitless Ukrainian deaths, and peace terms substantially worse than those that can be negotiated today.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 7:56 am

The purpose of the war us to kill people.
It’s a form of Ba’al worship.

“Thou shall not kill.”

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
December 16, 2023 10:53 am

The CORRECT translation of that Commandment is “Thou shalt not commit MURDER”. Quite distinct from “kill” inasmuch as we could not survive without killing anything. Man has to eat.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  The Central Scrutinizer
December 17, 2023 12:47 am

All wars happen because they mean to benifit one side or the other.
Both sides don’t play unless they believe THEY will benefit.
But what if the side that benifits isn’t doing ANY fighting at all?

Cui Bono?

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Colorado Artist
December 17, 2023 1:02 am

Do you want to know who doesn’t benefit in any way whatsoever
from these inexcusable endless wars?

We The People.

Fuck Joe Biden And every piece of shit in congress who doesn’t shut this Ukraine shit show down tomorrow. Fucking mass murderers in so many ways.

Doubt it?
20 years, 3 TRILLION dollars and tens of thousands of dead and maimed young American warriors so that we replaced the Taliban with the Taliban.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
The evil of DC cannot be denied.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Colorado Artist
December 17, 2023 9:09 am

The evil of DC cannot be denied.

And you’ve never seen this good ol’ boy so much as make the effort!

I’m the guy saying “trust no one”, “Don’t let your kids enlist” and “stop voting. It’s all a scam”. I’ve seen it from the inside, the outside and the sidelines. No matter HOW you look at it? It’s ALL shit.

I am not the one you need to worry about.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Colorado Artist
December 17, 2023 8:52 am

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the difference between killing and murdering.

Also?

Both sides don’t play unless they believe THEY will benefit.

yeah. IF you consider mere survival a “benefit”.

It may take two to fight, but it only takes one fucking asshole to start one.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 8:07 am

Did I miss the better estimate for Russian casualties?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 15, 2023 8:09 am

Mass murder, ethnic cleansing, money laundering, human trafficking, etc.

Those were the purposes behind this so-called conflict.

All anyone need do is look at the outcomes, ignore the narratives.

Ukraine is centrally located on the world island. It has now been secured as the Israel of Eurasia where any type of criminal activity can take place without being bothered by any kind of restriction or oversight. That’s the result, why pretend any other result was expected?

Herc
Herc
  hardscrabble farmer
December 15, 2023 9:26 am

Israel/Khazaria 2.0 ?

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 8:29 am

This article is a perfect example of governments moving the death total decimal point to drive a narrative.
Looks like the Ukes are moving their decimal point once to the left to hide 270,000 deadees.

Who believes the range is 30,000 to 400,000?
Who believes the range is 300,000 to 400,000?

[Edited]

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 8:42 am

So like, the Tokyo firebombing death toll was not:
“90,000 to 100,000 killed (most common estimates)”
Source
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945)

It was between 900,000 and 1,000,000?

Well, if the population density of 1945 Tokyo
was 100,000 per square mile, and 16 square miles were firebombed in a few hours, I would expect the death total to be around 1.1 to 1.6 million, accounting for survivors.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 11:46 am

So in Vietnam, the allies lost 2,820,000 dead?
Not 282,000 dead?

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist
  Anonymous
December 17, 2023 12:58 am

The deaths are irrelevant to who is behind and benifiting from the endless wars.
Mountains of dead people are ancillary to the profits gained from the
creatures that foment wars for their gain. If you wish to know who is behind
these mountains of corpses, simply ask…Cui Bono?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Colorado Artist
December 19, 2023 2:13 am

I was simply introducing the concept of decimal point manipulation which has been done regularly over recent centuries.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 9:02 am

Lots of people have died, we don’t know how many, and their numbers have all been lies. The experts, on both sides, have been consistently wrong about everything else, I see no reason to believe them on this.

Who is dead? Who has profited?

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
December 15, 2023 9:06 am

One does not dig graves in anticipation of a death.
Those Ukrainian numbers are bullshit low.
The Russians are a killing machine, defending the homeland.
The USSA done poked, threatened and killed many cubs, let the bear roar.
Americans should realize what they have allowed and the consequences we face.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Oldtoad of Green Acres
December 15, 2023 9:43 am

They are all on the same team.
This is a continuation of the reduction of whites workdwide. Coming soon?
The famine component, and another, much more horrifying round of “pandemic” once people start dying from the intended effects via the last few years of injected goodness.

See?
They can and have caused worldwide wars, famines, pestilences and deaths

They use the bible as a planning template for how to raise up, fleece, corrupt and destroy entire cultures.
Always follows the same pattern in empire building thru demolition.

B_MC
B_MC
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 10:24 am

This is a continuation of the reduction of whites workdwide.

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GNL The Real GNL
GNL The Real GNL
  B_MC
December 15, 2023 1:21 pm

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Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  B_MC
December 15, 2023 2:09 pm

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B_MC
B_MC
  Arizona Bay
December 15, 2023 3:52 pm

“Son of a B*tch… This Is Our Country!” – Muslim Youths Physically Attack Santa Claus in Germany, Rip His Costume

54-year-old Ranier B. has performed as Santa Claus for several years in Kassel, Germany. This year was different.

A group of Muslim youths attacked Ranier, beating him and ripping his Santa suit.

The Santa Claus performer was forced to flee as the youths screamed that this was “their country” and you’re a “son of a bitch!”

“Son of a B*tch… This Is Our Country!” – Muslim Youths Physically Attack Santa Claus in Germany, Rip His Costume

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  B_MC
December 15, 2023 6:04 pm

Youths? Is that what they call them there, like they call them joggers here?

Bob
Bob
  Arizona Bay
December 15, 2023 8:35 pm

I get the message in that picture, but where did the disembodied hand come from on the rail behind the soldier??

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Arizona Bay
December 16, 2023 10:58 am

I’m sorry you miscalculated the value of your own blood. Did you think it was so precious that it would pay the price for all time?!? There’s only One Man whose Blood is truly worth THAT much…and His Name is Christ Jesus…and His Kingdom has not yet arrived. But it will, just as surely as the Sun rises in the morning.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 12:22 pm

“planning template”
I would say predictive programming

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 16, 2023 12:37 pm

For those who understand the “other bible interpretation” they know exactly where the current plan is in any country by what is being promoted by the news, politicians, and entertainers.

It’s like having a secret mesage system in plain view of the general public
They can even hold and read it, without ever realizing it’s dual purpose.
Now do you see why there was a bible placed in all those hotel rooms?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 19, 2023 2:14 am

Oh, so that’s why the left will occasionally reference scripture.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 9:39 am

There are only two responses when another country invades yours, surrender or fight. Fighting causes deaths. The number of deaths are proportionate to the will of the country attacked to remain free.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 9:44 am

What about when another country orchestrates a coup to overthrow your government and install its own puppet regime?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 10:25 am

Are you talking about Obama installing a hated corrupt Ukrainian president, or Russia installing a satellite government in Eastern Ukraine territories?

pro stoae
pro stoae
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 1:55 pm

Who was the country attacked?

What really happened here is the historically-common scenario of a regional power intervening in an ongoing civil war.

I’d be interested to know what proportion of “Russian KIA” are actually Ukrainians from the Donbas who have declared independence and are “fighting to remain free.”

Divia
Divia
December 15, 2023 10:19 am

If the Ukraine has lost 400k men KIA and given the type of meatgrinder that their was has dissolved into, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that we can assume Russia has approximately the same amount. 800k KIA and who know how many maimed and wounded, that’s almost a million white men killed to keep the money train rolling into the central banker’s pockets. Before you fire up the flame throwers of racism, I have two FACTS to point out. 1, the central bankers finance the military industrial complexes of every country of the world. 2, the central banks are owned and controlled by a very small, select group of people that all belong to the same ethnicity (and religion).

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Divia
December 15, 2023 1:02 pm

And people were saying before the war that it was a dispute between oligarchs of the ethnic banker persuasion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Divia
December 15, 2023 8:53 pm

If you spent ANY time searching for accurate numbers, you
would realize that the Russians are far superior to Ukraine/NATO forces.

Your comment is laughable concerning possible Russian KIA.

What is FACT.
OUR Govt is responsible for ALL KIA on all sides.

The Russians and the US should be allied,
not adversaries……………………..

Jdog
Jdog
  Divia
December 15, 2023 9:27 pm

Given that Russia has been able to shell at a rate 3 to 4 times more than Ukraine, you would assume the casualty figures would reflect that. To think the casualties could be even is just plain stupid…..

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 10:22 am

Interesting however with all of this we must consider: No Russian aircraft dare fly over Ukraine, Russian naval vessels avoid the Ukrainian coastline and Russia today holds a fraction of what they did during the initial week of invasion. These facts also tell a story. Russia is not winning. Ukraine may not be on the cusp of winning but holding an enemy like Russia and exposing the joke of a military Russia has, is a form of winning in itself. If Ukraine gives Russia the land it today holds in a peace deal, that would be a tragedy and if anyone believes Russia won’t come back for more later, they are a fool.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 11:38 am

OK.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 1:05 pm

It’s a tragedy no matter who gets what because there is evidence that Russia never actually wanted the land to begin with.

Jdog
Jdog
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 9:31 pm

Russia is fighting a defensive war. If you do not know that, you do not know the first thing about this war. NATO was trying to put bases and nuclear missiles 300 miles from Moscow, and Russia drew a line in the sand. NATO did not respect that line, and has now had its ass handed to it.
It is possible the idiot in the White House will escalate this thing, and try to take it nuclear, in which case we will witness the end of all life as we know it. The idiots in Washington are not smart enough to understand the Russian do not bluff….

pro stoae
pro stoae
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 2:00 pm

ummmm….what?

There’s been an ongoing blockade of Odessa commonly acknowledged by all to dismantle just one of your “facts.”

dif anon
dif anon
  pro stoae
December 15, 2023 10:00 pm

There have been stories about it since late summer, not really blockaded. Still not a lot of activity going on there, but the same is true for that whole area.

NtroP
NtroP
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 2:45 pm

That’s the dumbest fuckin thing I’ve read all day. You are wise to remain anonymous.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 16, 2023 12:40 pm

Why do they need to fly aircraft over hostile territory when the missiles, rockets, drones and artillery can accomplish the same objectives without risking very expensive military hardware like planes n pilots?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 16, 2023 8:34 pm

they don’t actually care that much, planes had been getting destroyed in the open on the ground. Haven’t checked lately.

Ben Colder
Ben Colder
December 15, 2023 10:47 am

The Russians have never cared how many casualties they suffer or any one else that is what they did in world war two and it looks like the same can be said for Ukraine . This war like all the rest has been a money maker for Joe Bribeme and the Ukraine leader you know good and well that he and Bribeme are getting their ten percent. Neither of these guys care how many Ukraines are killed and neither does Adolf Putin

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ben Colder
December 15, 2023 11:48 am

Vladolf Putler

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 15, 2023 1:05 pm

If only he really was Vladolf Putler.

Jdog
Jdog
  Ben Colder
December 15, 2023 9:33 pm

You do not know shit about Russia, or WW2. How does someone get as fucking stupid as you are??

overthecliff
overthecliff
December 15, 2023 10:55 am

The Ukrainians are lying about how few casualties they have had. The Russians are lying about how few casualties they have had. Is anyone surprised? However many have died was to many. This war was just an excuse to print money.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 15, 2023 1:06 pm

Isn’t it strange how the rulers behave as if they don’t believe in religion at all, yet they all can faithfully rely on the religious believers to be willing to go out at kill for their interests.

beau
beau
December 15, 2023 3:34 pm

“May he burn in hell for all eternity.” we see eye to eye.

Mad Celt
Mad Celt
December 15, 2023 7:04 pm

American imperialism must be stopped.

Tree Mike: ef be eye code name Foghorn Leghorn
Tree Mike: ef be eye code name Foghorn Leghorn
  Mad Celt
December 16, 2023 9:01 pm

Russia MIGHT have lost 50k, combined KIA/MIA. Ukrainia, over 800k, combined.