The Great Taking – or the Great Misconception

Guest Post by Martin Armstrong

The Fed was created in 1913 and had nothing to do with confiscating gold. Roosevelt’s Brain Trust was against gold confiscation. Roosevelt did that NOT to confiscate assets, and that had NOTHING to do with the shortage of money but funding his Marxist agenda.

Europe defaulted in 1931, and the Fed kept money tight to maintain confidence that the US would not default like Europe. People hoard their wealth in times of uncertainty. That is why even Roman Coin hoards correlate to the civil wars and fate of the 3rd century. The hoarding of wealth during the Great Depression contracted the velocity of money during that time, resulting in cash shortages.

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US Dollar Index 1900Party M 1921 1939George Warren (1874-1938) recommended the dollar’s devaluation because it had risen so high that politicians imposed protectionism. After all, they, too, did not understand the currency. Warren was called the farmer economist, but it took someone who understood international markets to see the problem was the high dollar value. Roosevelt put a spin on that, confiscated the gold at $20.67, and then devalued the dollar to $35—the profit he used to fund his socialist agenda.

Yes, I agree; there seems to be a misunderstanding of title and law. There was a Supreme Court case that goes to this very question of secured title to assets and unsecured. Grupo Mexicano de Desarrollo, S. A. v. Alliance Bond Fund, Inc., 527 U.S. 308 (1999). The court overruled a district court that seized UNSECURED assets, and the Supreme Court ruled there was no such power to do so before a judgment. That power resides only with SECURED assets such as a mortgage where the title has NOT passed to the homeowner until he has paid off the mortgage.

The problem with a brokerage house is that if you have contracts or shares, and certainly if you are trading on margin, the title is NOT yours. Just like a mortgage, you have to own it 100% outright. In the case of MF Global, Bankruptcy Judge Martin Glenn seized all the client’s funds and attributed the losses to them as a whole, for they were UNSECURED creditors.

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GlennMartin Glenn was the judge in New York on M.F. Global bankruptcy. He was the first to engage in FORCED LOANS by abandoning the rule of law to help the bankers by protecting them from losses and taking client accounts to cover M.F. Global’s losses. That is no different from what we saw in Cyprus. He allowed the confiscation of client funds, which were UNSECURED when the rule of law was that the bankers were responsible and M.F. Global’s losses should have been reversed. The client’s funds should never be taken for M.F. Global’s losses to the NY Bankers. Judge Martin Glen placed the entire financial system at risk by trying to protect the bankers. He pampered these bankers, making them the new UNTOUCHABLES. We must be concerned that no rule of law will protect you in a crisis.

When you deposit money in a bank, you are a UNSECURED creditor. When a bank fails, you get in line with all the other depositors. The same thing would take place when a government defaults. You are still an UNSECURED creditor. Unless the government intervenes, current shareholders in any major company will be wiped out in a bankruptcy court, and the stock becomes worthless because shareholders have no claims on the company’s assets in bankruptcy court. Take the GM filing for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan, New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009. GM bondholders will fare slightly better than shareholders. GM owed a total of $33 billion to bondholders; $6 billion was SECURED, and $27 billion was UNSECURED. Secured bondholders were willing to accept lower interest payments than unsecured bondholders to be at the top of the list of creditors to be paid back if the firm entered bankruptcy. The shareholder lost most of their value, and the company had to issue more shares to raise money. The SECURED creditor comes first, just like the bank owns your property until the mortgage is paid.

To suggest that the government is going to take everything you own is just not true. That would be REVOLUTION time, and the government would collapse instantly, for not even the army would support them. You MUST understand the difference between an UNSECURED and a SECURED creditor. Equating this to the taking of gold is not the same situation. Your money in the bank at the time was expressed in dollars – not ounces of gold. The Supreme Court held that changing the backing of the dollars did not change the dollar you had or owed.

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The governments will NOT seize the ownership of everything. They rely on the military for power. Just as in Russia, when Yeltsin stood on the tank and pleaded with the military not to kill their fellow Russians, once they stood down, the coup collapsed. In China, the military obeyed, but to a limited degree, forcing the government to change direction in 1989. The government could NEVER seize everything without the military backing them up.

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26 Comments
Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
December 18, 2023 6:36 am

Uh huh.

Two if by sea.
Two if by sea.
  Gaping sphincter
December 18, 2023 9:06 am

Clearly hastily written that was supposed to address the book but went somewhere else.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
December 18, 2023 6:51 am

The rapture is the real great taking.
At the last trump.
The trump of God.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Eyes Wide Shut
December 18, 2023 8:09 pm

That’s ‘the TRIUMPH of God’ … God does not play games with the Universe … even Albert Einstein knew this …

anon a moos
anon a moos
December 18, 2023 9:44 am

The government could NEVER seize everything without the military backing them up.

Knowing that the whites in the military likely will not fire on their kin, the satanic cultist neoCONs have been importing enmass those that would gladly pull the trigger on the citizenry.

BL
BL
December 18, 2023 12:53 pm

Although the (((banksters))) own the government, it is the banks who will be doing the “Great Taking”, notice the author did a switch-a-roo on ya? Your mortgage contract or car loan is not with the government.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
December 18, 2023 2:44 pm

And just like the government, the banks can’t take everything either. They can only take what the people allow them to take.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
December 18, 2023 3:06 pm

True, that’s when the government sends in the muscle to back up the banks, BUT if they are planning to rent the house/cars back to you, would it not be easier to just stay put and not pay the rent? How long would it take for the banks to move everyone out on the street in the entire country? How would they get enough laborers to do that job? They won’t , so call their bluff and burn down the courthouse for helping them pull this shit off.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
December 18, 2023 3:52 pm

Some of us have already made those decisions prior.

If you try to take vehicles that I already own and have no loans on, you’re going to eat lead, end of story. I don’t care what uniform you have on.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
December 18, 2023 3:59 pm

This isn’t really about “owned” property. But who knows, the greedy joos might even start picking up vehicles without liens.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
December 18, 2023 4:42 pm

As sneaky as they are, they’ll try some other angle, they always do.

Climate change, emissions control standards, “environmental impacts”, social credit scores. There will be something, and that something won’t be readily apparent at first either, no different than income taxation.

It’s not a stretch of the imagination to simply see state DMVs refuse to honor titles/licensing for non-electric vehicles, or ones made before the kill switch implementations.

No different than electronic chips in passports and the “real ID” drivers licenses. Can you get either one of those without any of those “functions” anymore? No.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
December 18, 2023 5:04 pm

That comes under global government diktats which is a whole other sticky wicket. Those with paid off property will be hit with the wrath of agenda 2030 compliance that means you’ll have to practically rebuild your house to comply.

Goat!
Goat!
  Anonymous
December 18, 2023 6:33 pm

Yes, they used other angles on me at the local gov, through abuse of process (such as it was, they would just say you were in violation, but never tell you or document how, then they would come out and steal everything not nailed down) of “legitimate” police powers already on the books, that didn’t even require going to court.

Goat!
Goat!
  BL
December 18, 2023 6:20 pm

They did me (with lots of other things too), and you have to be there to stop them. In fact, everything they took or destroyed was paid off.

Goat!
Goat!
  BL
December 18, 2023 6:25 pm

The question is though what isn’t liened by debt?

fujigm
fujigm
December 18, 2023 1:08 pm

In the great taking, if your house is seized as collateral to cover the bank, simply prepare to move out.
Remove all weaponry, food stocks, useful clothing, and vehicles.
And if your seized house burns down, collect the insurance.
You have paid the premiums, you are the beneficiary.
Cash out and fade.
Let them seize the ashes.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  fujigm
December 18, 2023 1:10 pm

coinkidinks happen… weird I know.

BL
BL
  fujigm
December 18, 2023 1:14 pm

Fuji, insurers don’t pay off on arson. The banks will be calling your mortgage due, they have always had the right to at any time call your mortgage due. At that point, you either pay the balance or they take the property. They don’t need the gubbermint to accomplish that.

The government will most likely pull out the martial law card to quell the proles who are pissed to the max .

anon a moos
anon a moos
  BL
December 18, 2023 1:16 pm

Arson!?!?

BL
BL
  anon a moos
December 18, 2023 1:35 pm

You vacate the property , it is “vacant” read your policy. After so many days , they are not bound to pay and they won’t.

fujigm
fujigm
  BL
December 18, 2023 4:58 pm

Who vacated the property?
One merely move some of his items elsewhere.
Like spring cleaning, sort of.
And then, alas, unfortunate circumstance….
But on a real note, where do you get your information? Our policies have no requirement of residence in any of the buildings we insure, including my residence.

BL
BL
  fujigm
December 18, 2023 5:22 pm

I have 47 years experience in knowing what is in insurers policies. I have handled many a vacancy through Lloyds of London. So yes, I know.

fujigm
fujigm
  BL
December 18, 2023 10:47 pm

Hmmm.
Re-read your comments on a desktop instead of the phone.
This is interesting.
What constitutes “vacate” a property?
And wouldn’t a lender be in breach to call a contract without cause?
Did our lawyers miss something in the fine print?
Like Dora, I’m off to explore….
Thanks.

fujigm
fujigm
  BL
December 18, 2023 4:55 pm

Government? It’s not the government that will be seizing, it will be the secured creditors.
And I never said anything about arson.
Did you know how hard arson is to prove without an accelerant found?

Goat!
Goat!
  BL
December 18, 2023 6:54 pm

No, but they have to go through the courts to foreclose and evict, including the sheriffs to enforce. Subject to change that might make it easy to use private enforcers and tribunals (if at all), just like the more radical libertarians / anarcho capitalist would like to see (and certainly we have seen things like pinkerton used in the past), which indeed might be good use for the illegals.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 19, 2023 6:32 am

Naive much…of course they won’t take everyone’s assets they will only take undesirables’ assets. Just like IRS agents are focusing on certain demographics, this will only apply to the most “dangerous” race and gender in the world.