Guest Post by Eric Peters
Rational people may have difficulty following the following:
A man buys a Tesla and says, “we never get what was promised; we get way less.” He refers to the range advertised by the manufacturer of his battery powered device, a 2017 Model X. Tesla’s advertising has proved serially false. He did not get what he paid for, in other words. Yet the man is not angry that he has arguably been – what’s the appropriate phrase? – ripped off by Tesla.
How would you describe it if the vehicle you bought that was advertised as being capable of taking you 40 miles on a gallon of gas only went about 32 miles, or about 20 percent less than advertised? This is the typical disparity in advertised vs. actual range when it comes to battery powered devices.
Ask Hyundai – which was class-action sued by people who felt gypped because advertising suggested its vehicles went 40 miles per gallon but didn’t. And the difference between advertised and actual was only about 5 percent.
“One of the questions that people have when it comes to electric cars, especially Teslas, is how much range do you lose over time,” the owner of the 2017 Model X explains. And then proceeds to show just how much – by gingerly driving his device as far as it can go on a charge after seven years of discharge/charge cycles and about 105,000 miles of driving.
The answer is about 32 percent less than the driving range it supposedly had (according to Tesla’s advertising) when it was new, which was 295 miles.
It is now just barely over 200 miles, as the owner demonstrates by driving his Tesla from his home in California to Las Vegas – and just barely making it. He made it there by driving no faster than 70 on a highway with a 75 MPH speed limit – so well below the speed of traffic – and on a temperate day, neither too hot nor too cold and so just right – Winnie the Pooh style – for an EV to be able to go 32 percent less far than advertised.
“Going 70 is going to be very slow. We’re going to have a lot of people passing us . . . but, I gotta stick to this,” the man says. “I want to make sure it’s a fair range test.” He then explains that he won’t cheat by driving behind a semi and taking advantage of the truck’s draft.
“If I’m being honest, this is brutal” – i.e., driving 5 MPH below the posted speed limit and probably 10-15 below the speed of traffic whizzing past.
In his “high performance” Tesla.
If it had been 85 degrees (or 25 degrees) and if he’d driven at least the speed limit – in his high-performance battery powered device – he probably would not have made it.
And he’s not angry about it.
Nor about the fact that the Tesla Model X he spent more than six figures on just seven years ago is “probably worth like $25,000 now.”
So, over the course of seven years – just barely – this six figure device has lost about 75 percent of its value, in addition to about 32 percent of its originally advertised range. Put another way, this man spent about $75,000 to drive this Tesla for about seven years. Which means this Tesla has cost him about $11,000 per year to drive – so far. Not counting the cost of getting range-gypped by Tesla.
And he’s happy about it. States that he’d buy another of these devices.
Is there a diagnostician in the house? Of the psychiatric variety?
The rational mind tries to understand the rationalizations.
“It’s not like you lose a ton of range off your gas-powered vehicle” after seven years, the man admits – about vehicles that aren’t devices.
Italics added.
You do not lose a “ton” of range “off your gas powered vehicle.” You don’t lose any. A seven-year-old vehicle will go as far as it did on a tank of gas after seven years of driving as it did when it was driven off the dealer’s lot. A 17-year-old vehicle will have the same range it had on a tank as it had when it was new. And it will typically take about that long for a vehicle – that isn’t a battery powered device – to lose 75 percent of its original value.
But things could have been worse.
The man says the Tesla was mostly driven short-hops by his wife, taking the couple’s kids back-and-forth. In other words, not the kind of high-speed/long-distance driving that would likely have resulted in the device having lost even more than the 32 percent of its originally (falsely) advertised maximum range, because that kind of driving rapidly discharges the battery, which the man openly (and chirpily) admits “is not good for the batteries.” “Especially,” he adds, in an “older” car.
By which he means his just-barely-seven-years-old device.
Is it not stupendous?
Is it not of a piece with the strange and terrible derangement of people who continue to take drugs that do not ward off sickness nor prevent the sickness from being transmitted to others – and which do impart such sicknesses as permanent heart damage?
And death?
Never mind all that! Where do I get my next booster?
And my next device.
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He can replace the battery pack, right? For, what…$30K+?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSrPuHtKbst7Zy8pyWn_3Cg
I think this entire green pursuit is a massive con job like prohibition was.
[Prohibition was actually a hostile takeover of the entire alcohol distilling industry, the failure was scripted so as to provide a forever “we already tried that” excuse]
They want green to fail.
That way they can say “we already tried to protect the environment and it didn’t work”
Then they can justifiably kill off green activists because the activists realize they are part of the problem, so they shouldn’t mind being dermal bypassed into a static state.
Studies suggest anyway…
I think it is even worse. The entire “Global Warming”, CO2, Green movement, is just part of the now quite advanced plan to destroy the United States. Our educational system brainwashes children to think America is evil. Our military capability is being destroyed in plain sight. Environmentalism is destroying our energy sector. The dying petrodollar is destroying our financial basis. The export of industry to overseas has already destroyed our heavy manufacturing ability. OSHA, EPA, and excessive tax and mandates have destroyed small businesses. Big Pharma is destroying our medical industry. MSM and online porn is destroying our culture.
For almost 200 years the American system of free enterprise capitalism and a Constitutional Republic created the strongest, wealthiest, most free society in history. But suddenly… it stopped working. That doesn’t make sense, does it? The fact is, America didn’t just accidently stop working. We have been poisoned by traitors.
We were at the Height of Any Worldwide Empire in 1945 in recorded history.
Then at the behest of the UK, we agreed on creating one thing in 1947.
Downhill ever since.
Right.
But once the west is destroyed for its folly, it will be full steam ahead with the rest of the world stripping the USA of resources while dumping all their filth here.
Yeah, don’t those kids know we have a kinder, gentler machine gun hand?
Aw c’mon, Eric. He just needs to get a bite to eat every 1/2 hour.
Here’s something to say to libs: “ I’d kinda like to get an EV, but I just can’t justify sending those 11 year old kids down those rickety wooden ladders deep into the bowels of the Earth in Gabon to mine cobalt. I suppose you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”.
EV’s are GAY; no drama, no prevarication around the bush, just a straight up: GAY. That’s all one needs to say, imho, wrt EV’s when around libtards. If, however, one feels an extra dash of propellant is required, as for example with centre fired cartridges sporting the +P modifier, one can casually add the well known adjectival phrase AF after the word GAY. Sometimes a short silent break following the first word adds even more emphasis, akin to +P+.
So, there you go friend, next time try: GAY … AF.
LOL. Gay as fuck. “Hey – you got a Tesla! I didn’t even know you were gay.”
“Hey – you got a Tesla! So you finally came out of the closet, eh?”
he is happy because the damned pos didn’t blow up in flames and burn for the next 6 weeks while firefighters figured out how to extinguish them. and of course he doesn’t have to look at the massive land scars left by mining lithium. and he doesn’t have a clue how the pos of shit will be disposed because he lives in la-la land. nor does he bother to ponder the amount of fossil fuels burned to charge the increasingly difficult to charge pos.
of course he would buy another pos.
oh and of course he may not have contracted the cancer caused by the emf’s radiating from the pos battery.
Agreed, but I’m on a mission to eliminate the use of “fossil fuels”, as they don’t exist.
We have abiotic petroleum liquids. “FF” was a Rockefeller creation to suggest scarcity.
and rockefeller was a creation to suggest shit.
ps – i didn’t mean to use fossil fuels – i was thinking from the point of view of the f-tard owning the electric car – ie, wwfd – what would f-tard do? you are correct that petroleum is an abiotic renewable resource.
If I were given one I’d sell it immediately and buy an old mechanical Cummins truck. Buy ammo with leftover cash.
A neighbor bought a Leaf EV and it only had a 160 mile range when new. He worked 35 miles away. Two years latter he had an 90 mile range. Two years after that it spent all day on a charger to make it home and all night on the charger to make it back to work. A year ago he traded it for a Tercel gas powered car as it needed a new battery. He took a bath on the trade-in. He is done with EV’s.
TS, Stupid always has to learn the hard way, but at least he still had the cognition and humility to realize and correct his mistake. That’s so much better than those who are getting boosted every time it is offered.
Actually very easy to explain…
EVs are made for techy betas who couldn’t change the oil or a tire if their life depended on it…they have always felt inferior regarding cars, and girls like guys who know cars…and dammit…they are now cool car guys.
And they just cannot believe everyone doesn’t think EVs are as cool as they think they are…and they don’t care if they have been lied to about the performance characteristics…because they are now CAR guys, dammit!!
I know…I have a brother who is one…and when I tell him it will be a brick in his driveway in 8 years worth nothing because it is going to cost 25K or more to replace the battery…he replies that he doesn’t care…he is rich enough to just buy another one…
The EV hate is outstanding. EVs have their good and bad. The range issue is the biggest negative. My 2014 Tesla had 280 range or so when new. It currently sits at 230 to 240 range. I haven’t tested it recently.
The biggest positives are no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no radiator fluid to worry about, no smog checks, no belts or hoses, and no break pad changes.
The other positive is that the engine will last a very long time and their is no transmission to worry about failing at some point, which basically ended the life of previous cars, that I had.
That’s “brake pads”, goober. Electric cars have a motor (or two), not an engine. You sound like one of those wannabe car guys who called an engine a motor and was harshly corrected, causing you to blacklist the word “motor” ever since.
An engine uses fuel to produce the energy needed to run a car, while a motor uses energy directly.
It requires brake pad changes, there is no such thing as lifetime brake pads.
The car is 10 years old, and it has never had it’s brake pads changed.
Tesla sold 1.8 million cars in 2023, so to say it’s all bad is nonsense.
I am hoping to get at least 5 more years out of my electric car, and then buy another one with more range.
The biggest negative is without a doubt the limited range. The new ones hit 400 mile range and Lucid can hit 500 miles.
Of course you failed to mention the need to replace the tires more often due to the increased weight of the vehicle. Much less the decreased range of the vehicle during the summer time in the deep south or the winter time in the far north. Here in Florida you need to run the A/C practically 12 months of the year.
Not hate…couldn’t care less what you like, what you do, or what you buy.
What I oppose is the governmental push to eliminate the ICE, and force everyone into EVs.
Electric motors definitely do have positive aspects…max torque at start, and highly controllable…however, these positive aspects are of no value to individuals who actually know how to drive, and the negatives far outweigh any positives.
And the range is not the biggest negative…it is charging times, battery life, highway speed range, and battery replacement cost…all of which are never discussed in a transparent manner.
As to range…it is highly sensitive to ambient and driving conditions…unlike traditional IC engines. Whether it is hot or cold out, whether the heat or AC is being run, and/or whether I am driving at 35mph vs 80 mph do not affect the range of an IC engine in a statistically significant manner. Running at highway speeds in the winter with the heat on, or in the summer with the AC blasting can significantly reduce the range of an EV…and in a manner that cannot really be quantified ahead of time.
As to maintenance…regular maintenance is child’s play…oil changes, brakes, radiator and transmission fluid (seriously? once every 4-5 years).
Finally…what happens if you run out of charge, and you are not near a charging station? You are screwed. With an IC, pain in the ass disruption to your day…but you get a 1 gallon gas container, fill it up, and you are done…
As I’ve said…EVs are predominantly for non-car guys who want to feel like cool car guys…
Charging times. Huge. https://www.recyclingtoday.com/news/copper-ev-cord-theft-los-angeles-metal-value/
It’s not a matter of how difficult it is to maintain a car. For ME, I am severely time limited for many reasons. A car that requires almost no maintenance is very important to me. And the Tesla, that I have had for 7 years (bought 3 years used with low mileage) is very low maintenance.
I should add, General…I’m not saying that YOU are one of those guys, it is that the EV guys are PREDOMINANTLY those guys…I have a brother who is one of those guys…
Poor democrats……………just cant catch a break.
They got 70K EV’S that arent dependable and unsafe-ineffective vaxxs.
But as a good sheepnigger they continue to “trust the science” of big government/corporations.
Once more let’s stop focusing on the narrative surrounding EV’s and think a few years down the road to the eventual outcome.
1) EV’s are the designated replacement for our current mode of transportation, fueled vehicles.
2) The government is mandating specific dates for the end of fueled vehicle production.
3) The infrastructure required to make the switch does not currently exist and even if it were to keep up with the production of the needs of this replacement technology, the grid is completely inadequate to supply the needs required.
4) The two intersecting points are the end of fueled vehicles and the inability of the replacement tech to fill the void.
5) The logical conclusion is that the current trajectory of both paths is the end of individual movement using POV’s.
Combine that with the push for 15 minute cities and it suddenly clears up any ambiguity.
The sole purpose of the EV/zero carbon mandates are to corral populations into controlled environments, in other words, drive the herd from open range into CAFO’s.
Most people only grasp their immediate environment and the effects of any outside agency as it applies to them personally. They no longer understand their role in the wider scope of the people. The irony is that by becoming atomized individuals they gradually lose all the benefits and protections of their membership in a family/clan/tribe or community, while becoming almost perfect widgets in a corporatized gulag. A cow that is perfectly content to spend its lifetime grazing on pasture with its herd will run for the paddock to get a chance at a trough of sweet feed, and once separated is far more easily managed up to the point of slaughter, thus not only divorcing itself from its natural habitat and aspect as a creature, but eliminating any possibility for its most basic survival without complete dependency on the very ones who confined it.
Yes, those are the points that Eric has been making since as early as about 2010 when I first started reading his blog.
Well when they start building the 15 minute cities is when I’ll star worry about it. Bill Gates was supposed to build his version of that in Arizona but we’ve yet to see it happen. New York City was the best version of a fifteen minute city but we can see where that’s going with all their soft on crime policies. San Francisco was another shining example of a a 15 minute city but all the major retailers are leaving in droves due to the squalor and crime. In fact all the major cities being run by Democrats are turning into crime ridden hell holes that nobody except poor blacks and newly arrived immigrants want to live in.
He was right. But 10’s of thousands of Teslas and other EV’s sitting on storage lots tells me that most people are onto the scam and they will end up in landfills before they ever end up in peoples drives. Unless Elon wants to give them away.
Tesla autos are nice play toys for those willing to take a financial beating just to have it . The fact is electric cars are just high priced snake oil remedies for a problem that doesn’t exist
EVs are more proof that being rich does not equate with being smart. Someone may be able to afford buying one, but they still don’t make sense to do so. Nothing positive in owning one of those future boat anchors. The phrase “more money than brains’ comes to mind.
What are you whining about? If you don’t want one, don’t buy one. New Tesla’s are NOT 6 figures, start-stop driving is bad for batteries, and battery tech has greatly advanced in the last 7 years. You’re attacking Tesla just like our Commie government.
The commie government is why Tesla exists.
Whatever the demonic people tell us is good, is truly evil, because they come from Hell and they always lie, and they actually believe that evil is good and good is evil. So just know if you are good, they hate you and consider you just an evil they need to eliminate by whatever antichrist=hellish means necessary.
Somehow by means of their money power, they are the only voice in this world to tell you that evil is good and that their lies are the truth. That the other voices that do tell you the truth are ridiculous and malicious.
Now that they have been caught in so many lies and have lost their monopoly over the media and are at long last ‘questioned’, by the gentiles, they will soon make free speech illegal and take the truth from this world completely until you all are dead or have metamorphosed using transhumanism into one of them: demonic beings from Hell. More hideous looking even than Gregor Samsa. looking like the grey in the end, because the transhumanism will never be complete until you are all like the grey or worse.
All this technology comes from the Fallen Angels of Hell, (who were never human) (Rothschilds and extended intermarried via the daughters families) not from God, but from His enemies who seek to make you devolve lower into nasty things. They big nosed greys (who also must intermarry via the daughters with only their own) are their minions on earth who look human but are not human any longer, but were once human before they died for their sins and went to Hell. Technology is just a place for demonic spirits to do the bidding of their masters the 1/3rd who all followed Lucifer and fell (devolved) from Heaven. They now rule the money system and will use it to destroy all gentiles. They now own all technology and will use it to destroy all gentiles. They use gentiles against each other to do their evil for them. They have set up the chessboard and always control both sides.
The chessboard is now the migrants and Russia and China, against the white race, and the western nations.
BUT, after they kill off the whites they will be eliminated also. The entire Northern Hemisphere will become uninhabitable, a giant death zone. They just want South America and Africa and Australia and New Zealand ethnically cleansed first for their new world, with them to live large having many transhuman robots to be the slaves to provide all the labor they need.
Which is why God has another plan. He is laughing at them. But all of you are being tested by HIM. Will you allow these demons continue to play all gentiles like fools in their satanic divide and conquer chess games?
This is further convincing evidence I’ll never participate in the EV scam. There is nothing Green about them. The destruction wrought on natural resources to make the batteries, the child labor exploitation, and the control limit on your personal movements is too obvious. Liberal feel good does nothing for me.
It looks to me that he is coming from Utah not California. Mesquite is the first place you would come to from Utah not California and the speedway is the on that end of town. Coming down the mountain from California, Primm is the first place you see, not Las Vegas or the Stratosphere.
I’ve followed Eric for a good while and am a lifelong gearhead and tinkerer and come from a long line of forebearers who were what I just described myself as. I very much appreciate Eric’s regularly posted lay explanations of the feasibility/non-feasibility of mass electrified personal transportation and other socio/political issues. Have you ever been woken up in the middle of the night by a blazing thunderbolt that sat you up in bed with a vivid revelation or evident truth ?? Well, it happened to me again last night.
When the smoke and flash of the dream-revelation cleared and me siting straight up in bed, the vivid image of Thomas Alva Edison, Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, U.S. President Calvin Cooldidge, and several more people at a friendly gathering on an old postcard that I picked up a quarter of a century ago was left on my mind. In addition the blaring headline generated somewhere from my grey matter screamed out: ‘If the greatest inventors, innovators, & businessmen of the 19th & 20th century, when the automobile was in its infancy and electricaly driven automobiles for the masses was tried my many and they went by the wayside in favor of ICE machines, what the Hell makes these digital geeks think they are smarter than these giants of a century ago ?? BTW, Edison, Ford, and Firestone were best of friends who camped, vacationed, and otherwise spent much time together. This is the stock that my heroes are made of.
Electric machines are fine, for the time being just keep them in local use, on the golf course, and in warehouses where the forklift can be scooted over to the charging area and and the depleated battery can be slid out and replaced with a charged one. Hope the scan of the postcard attaches.
https://postimg.cc/4mPgjcpq
Insurance costs alone might kill the EV biz. The fires are devastating and can burn for days. The insurance companies have a surprise for you EV types…lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMlRBBKXkQ