Boeing’s nosedive: How greed ruined a great American company

Guest Post by Henry Johnston

What was once essentially a collective of engineers known for innovation and craftsmanship now operates in the interests of Wall Street

On a sunny day in August 1955 Boeing test pilot Alvin ‘Tex’ Johnston was to take the Dash-80, the prototype of the Boeing 707, out for a test flight at an annual hydroplane race over Lake Washington near Seattle. The large crowd gathered for the event included many of the top names in the aviation industry.

Rather than perform a simple flyover, the swaggering Tex, who got his start flying crazy loops on daredevil flights on a tri-motor plane across the dusty plains of Kansas, aimed to impress the gathered luminaries. Instead, he put the plane into a stunning barnstormer-like double barrel roll that left the crowd below astonished and his boss, Boeing CEO Bill Allen, mortified that the newly crafted jet was out of control and about to crash.

It was a fitting gesture for a plane whose very genesis was the result of a huge gamble. As the 1950s dawned, Boeing was at a crossroads. Having thus far thrived as a manufacturer of military aircraft whose modest forays into commercial aviation had met little success, the company needed direction as its defense contracts had mostly dried up with World War II over and the Korean War winding down.

It was at this time that CEO Bill Allen decided to bet the house – $16 million to be exact, a huge sum in those days – on building a jet transport prototype. It is hard to overstate how ambitious this project was. Not a single customer had committed to buying the plane, and it was hardly clear that such an aircraft would be viable in the market. “The only thing wrong with the jet planes of today,” said the head of TransWorld Airlines around that time, “is that they won’t make any money.”

Failure may very well have meant the end of the company. It was a resounding success. After a few lonely, uncertain years, an aircraft was built that would shrink the world and usher in the glittering jet age. A few short years later, the company would embark on another hugely expensive gamble that paid off when it undertook to build the six-story-high, 225-foot-long Boeing 747.

In 1957, when the 707 made its maiden flight, fewer than one in ten American adults had ever traveled in an airplane. By 1990, more adult Americans had flown than owned a car.

For many decades, Boeing was a decidedly unpretentious, engineer-driven company with a culture emphasizing both dazzling innovation and the sober virtue of impeccable craftsmanship. It was a place where the top managers held patents and could talk shop with the floor workers.

Even as late as the mid-1990s, the company’s chief financial officer reportedly kept his distance from Wall Street and answered colleagues’ requests for basic financial data with a dismissive, “Tell them not to worry.”

In hindsight, this principled aloofness has a bit of Shakespearean “last of all the Romans” feel. The company would soon be transformed beyond recognition.

Great companies invariably embody some intangible quality of the nations that spawned and nurtured them. Boeing came to represent in distilled and mythologized form something that Americans had come to see as forming an essential part of their national identity: unpretentious and focused on the task at hand. But if Boeing was the quintessential American company on the way up, it came to embody many of the country’s ills on the way down. Few companies have traced an arc of ascendancy and decline that so closely mirrors the nation’s own trajectory.

The singular event cited as marking the beginning of Boeing’s downfall was its 1997 merger with McDonnell Douglas, which put it on a collision course with a culture steeped in cost-cutting and financial performance. Somewhat perversely, although Boeing had acquired McDonnell, it was the latter that took over. McDonnell’s executives ended up running the company and its culture became ascendant. Scores of cut-throat managers battle-hardened in the company’s perform-or-die culture were brought in. A federal mediator once likened the partnership to “hunter killer assassins meeting boy scouts.”

The self-effacing and introspective Bill Allen, Boeing’s genteel CEO through the post-war era and the man behind the 707 gamble, described his company’s ethos as “to eat, breathe, and sleep the world of aeronautics.” But a new generation of leaders was emerging who brought new priorities and a new vocabulary. It was no longer about making great airplanes; it was about “moving up the value chain.” What it was really about was maximizing shareholder value.

Now looming like a colossus over Boeing was the figure of Harry Stonecipher, McDonnell’s CEO. The blunt, hard-nosed son of a coal miner, Stonecipher was known for vicious cost-cutting, emails written in all caps – and for jettisoning executives who didn’t hit financial targets. But Stonecipher was a ‘winner’: McDonnell’s stock price had risen fourfold under his tenure.

What predictably ensued was nothing short of a complete transformation of Boeing from being a company run by engineers to one that prized financial profit over all, and was willing to cut all manner of corners to reduce costs and boost returns. The quality of the product was, to put it mildly, severely compromised.

Downstream from these changes are the spectacular failures we all know about: the outrageous cost overruns, delays and production issues in making the Boeing 787, which ended up being temporarily grounded for battery fires that regulators attributed to flaws in manufacturing, insufficient testing and a poor understanding of an innovative battery; the abject failure of the jimmy-rigged 737 MAX, which saw two deadly crashes and, most recently, a harrowing incident in which a sealed-off emergency exit blew out mid-air in an Alaska Airlines flight, leaving a gaping hole in the fuselage.

It is possible to see Boeing’s merger with McDonnell as simply an unfortunate mistake, and the rise of the likes of Harry Stonecipher as simply an instance in which the wrong person found his way to the top; and the outsourcing and cost-cutting as simply a misbegotten strategy. But this would miss the wider trends at work in the American corporate landscape at the time. Boeing was hardly alone on this path.

The writer David Foster Wallace once wrote that “America… is a country of many contradictions, and a big contradiction for a long time has been between a very aggressive form of capitalism and consumerism against what might be called a kind of moral or civic impulse.”

What is evident is that starting roughly in the 1970s, this “aggressive form of capitalism” became ascendant in the US and for a long time overwhelmed – and is arguably still overwhelming – the “moral and civic impulse.” However, to view this as simply a moral failing is to miss the greater economic pressures at work.

The ‘70s were, in the words of historian Judith Stein, the “pivotal decade” that “sealed a society-wide transition from industry to finance, factory floor to trading floor, [and] production to consumption.” America had emerged from World War II with unquestioned manufacturing supremacy, but within a few short decades, US companies had begun falling behind. Whereas Japan, Germany, and, later on, China invested heavily in their industrial bases in the post-war period, the US came to emphasize innovation at the expense of capital investment. The 1970s were when nascent industrial powerhouse Japan pulled off its so-called ‘revolution of quality,’ which went a long way toward putting American manufacturers on the back foot.

Bloated and increasingly uncompetitive American companies needed a way forward – and that way forward can most succinctly be summed up as a switch in resource-allocation strategies from value creation to value extraction. Whereas the highly vertically integrated American companies of old practiced a ‘retain-and-reinvest’ approach, the new regime was one of ‘downsize-and-distribute,’ to use a phrase coined by economist William Lazonick.

This can be described, depending on one’s point of view, as either maximizing the value of the company or asset-stripping it for the benefit of executives and shareholders – with a corresponding hemorrhaging of the workforce.

The intellectual underpinning for this change in approach came from economist Milton Friedman’s Chicago School, whose theory that executives had a “fiduciary duty” to maximize shareholder returns fell on fertile ground. A company, Friedman argued, has no social responsibility to the public or society; its only responsibility is to its shareholders. The idea that a company essentially exists to maximize value for shareholders has become so engrained in the fabric of our thinking that we are scarcely aware that it was ever any other way.

If, as Stein asserts, the US went from “factory floor to trading floor,” it necessarily meant a step up in prominence for Wall Street analysts and a step down for the factory managers – or, in Boeing’s case, the engineers. So what did the denizens of Wall Street want? They wanted to see the unwieldy industrial giants generate a better return on their assets – in finance lingo, they wanted a higher RONA (return on net assets).

Now, a naive observer might assume that the path to achieving this lies in using one’s assets more efficiently to generate more money. But there’s another way to increase RONA that proved a lot easier: generate (roughly) the same amount of money with fewer assets and lower costs. A constant numerator divided by a lower denominator gives a higher number. Outsourcing does exactly that: it removes assets from the balance sheet and that is precisely the path Boeing and many others went down under the ‘downsize-and-distribute’ model. The problem in Boeing’s case was that the supply chain for building an airplane is so complex that it made it practically impossible for the company to maintain quality standards.

Boeing’s embrace of this new regime can be described as nothing short of whole-hearted. The figures are staggering. Over the past decade, it has directed an incredible 92% of its cashflow back to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks.

Since 1998, the company has spent a staggering $63.5 billion on share buybacks. This, according to financial analyst Scott Hamilton, is equivalent to about four wide-body and five or six narrow-body airplane programs at today’s costs.

But Wall Street doesn’t need airplanes, it needs dividends. Hamilton recounts how at the company’s annual shareholder meeting in April 2020, CEO David Calhoun gave conflicting signals about a new airplane program and also about a return to a dividend policy. The following day, Melius Research gave the quintessential Wall Street view in a note for clients: “We struggle to see how the business case for a new airplane closes favorably these days.” It was a vote for dividends. In other words, today’s profits trump the company’s future.

It is perhaps not surprising that such a system arose in the US given the vastly complex, interrelated, and often contradictory economic forces pushing and pulling in the 1970s and extending forward over subsequent decades. We have mentioned America’s economic competitiveness waning, but the other side of that equation was that this was happening all while the US continued to wield the world’s reserve currency at a time of increased financialization.

Historians and economists will have to parse through the implications of a currency gaining in stature precisely at a time when a country’s manufacturing base recedes, but such a circumstance could hardly fail to push the entire system into the arms of Wall Street.

Harder to comprehend, meanwhile, is how the generation of leaders exemplified by the likes of Harry Stonecipher seemed to have completely embraced this transformation of the American economy.

In an interview with the Chicago Tribune in 2004, he said: “When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm.”

What is startling about this is not so much Stonecipher’s actions at Boeing, but that he felt free to absolutely lay bare his motives. Had he been out of sync with the zeitgeist of the time, he may have still pursued the same aims out of whatever personal motives – such as greed – but, fearing opprobrium, would have done so much more furtively. That he felt he could unabashedly broadcast the destruction of Boeing’s finely hewn, decades-old culture says as much about the country as it does about the man.

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71 Comments
zappalives
zappalives
January 28, 2024 8:11 am

Boeing is a metaphor for all mercan mega-corps.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  zappalives
January 28, 2024 11:43 am

When the planes start falling from the sky?
I doubt the sound they make will be boing.

Obbledy
Obbledy
January 28, 2024 8:57 am

So the Federal Government(FAA)and the Unions had nothing to with it…….just checking……

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 28, 2024 9:10 am

This explains why the US can’t just dial up production of things like artillery shells. The American arms industry is profit-based. In Russia and China it’s purpose-based. The factories don’t exist in the US with sufficient capacity to match Russian production. It would take years of planning to create that capacity and an allocation of money that doesn’t make financial sense to the American companies.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Iska Waran
January 28, 2024 9:51 am

Economies of scale too. Russian and china mass produce, making product cheaper but sacrifice on the quality overall. But in munitions the quantity overwhelms the ‘quality’ armaments every time.

The usausa MIC loves the high tech munitions because its mainly a money laundering cartel. The high tech systems are personnel intensive requiring highly trained operators and maintenance/repair techs. Several million dollars wrapped up in one missile gets pretty expensive when a dozen cheap bottle rockets are thrown out and are able to hit targets.

But the usausa MIC cares not a lick about money and expenses now, do they!?

You’re paying for it, not them. They get the kick backs, not you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
January 28, 2024 10:32 am

Nothing works better than good old capitalistic incentives. We faced the same issues and arguments in the run up to WWII. Within about a year, we were suppling the world with armaments, including your vaunted Russia.

Goat!
Goat!
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 11:42 am

The difference being, we previously to the war, had massie industry that could be revamped to churn out war product. Most of that industrial output (capital goods and all) has been shipped out of the country (china to a great extent) and or destroyed / ruined / scraped, etc.
It is one thing to change tooling to produce something else with the machines and skilled labor you already have working as a fine oiled system, another to build it from the ground up, not just the capital goods, but finding the skilled labor / talent too.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Goat!
January 28, 2024 1:16 pm

another to build it from the ground up, not just the capital goods, but finding the skilled labor / talent too.

I direct you to examine post war Japan.
Notice anything?

johngarand1941
johngarand1941
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 6:53 pm

Kelly Johnson (Lockheed). Almost everything he built was from the ground up. He also relied on his designers and engineers. Flew with most of them on test flights as well. “I’m not scared!” was his motto.

Gryf
Gryf
  Goat!
January 28, 2024 8:16 pm

During WW ll the Singer Sewing Machine Co., among others, switched over to making M-1 rifles. We no longer have the manufacturing capacity.

WTF
WTF
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 12:43 pm

So did you drink hopium this morning instead of coffee?

johngarand1941
johngarand1941
  WTF
January 28, 2024 8:10 pm

You obviously didn’t understand their reply.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
January 29, 2024 12:19 am

You really think Russian arms industry isn’t run by oligarchs? Why do you think jewkraine is a stalemate?

make money
kill whitey

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 28, 2024 9:22 am

Gee, what group of people have historically been astute in financials?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 10:51 am

The Chinese. The Templar. Even fucking Muslims, truth be known. Want me to continue?

n
n
  The Central Scrutinizer
January 28, 2024 1:38 pm

Gotta fight the noticing dontcha.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 12:36 pm

joos

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 11:58 pm

They have the Fed and the money to buy everything and everything they buy turns to crap.

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
January 28, 2024 9:38 am

I’ve talked to several retired engineers and workers from Boeing, they all said crappy management and grift ruined that company years ago, and that it’s just gotten worse. You could see how disgusted they were at what happened to a company they were once proud to work for. Sad.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Duke of New York
January 28, 2024 10:06 am

Brits

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Anonymous
January 29, 2024 12:02 am

MG, Jaguar, Triumph, English Ford, Austin, etc

Oilman2
Oilman2
  The Duke of New York
January 28, 2024 12:22 pm

I agree, having watched formerly solid companies (Dresser Industries, Halliburton, Hughes, etc.) engage in asset stripping and staff cutting to the point where 25 year old ‘kids’ were running engineering departments, and former secretaries were designers. For me, this was very real, happening throughout the 1980-00 period across the entire business sector in the West.

This devaluing of experience and reduction of knowledge on factory floors drove me to recruit several of the dissatisfied and pissed upon and start my own business. After a few years it was great. Then someone tried to buy us, and when told no, found an ex employee (she quit) to sue us for things that never happened. LS to short, we had to sell due to the outrageous cost of the suit, brought by a firm of lawyers with more employees than our little company.

The USA will remain crippled in the MFG sector until there is a hiatus on law graduates. Think about it – all the politicians we hate so much are…LAWYERS! Trump is not, but look at what lawyers are doing to him. I am not a Trump fan, but feel his frustration. Too many lawyers cause MANY problems.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Oilman2
January 29, 2024 12:09 am

I worked for the ITT Wire Mill in Cairo Ga that made insulated wire and car wiring harnesses which were shipped to the assembly plants in Detroit etc until the Chicago Owners shipped all the machines to Matamoros Mexico. It happened at 19 years and the workers lost their Pensions too.

Vic
Vic
  rhsjr
January 29, 2024 1:41 am

Worked for a famous high tech outfit that had its own Wire and Cable operation in-house. Amazing the stuff they made-from miles of simple 22 awg insulated wire of all color codes to complex cable that was then assembled into cable assemblies that went into our products. Then along came the new class of managers who knew better: the extra quality control obtained from vertical integration was cost ineffective and all operations like that were shut down over a couple of years in favor of outsourcing. Product quality went to hell, customers deserted, profits went into the toilet. Happens every fucking time.

Vic
Vic
  The Duke of New York
January 29, 2024 1:33 am

Same message from older, former employees of a lot of companies, such as General Electric. Thing is, it’s not all about doing it for the stockholders, as the writer accuses the Chicago School mindset of pushing. Around the 1970’s things did start changing and in the more egregious cases it was all about owners like Carl Ichan and “Chainsaw” Al Dunlap stripping assets of any kind from their target companies. In companies where there was not dominant ownership but rather compliant boards of directors it became easy to reward top levels of management with excessive compensation through things like stock buybacks. Sure, a few giant stockholders would benefit from the buybacks if the company stayed profitable, but the CEO and his few helpers who got massive amounts of stock options benefited while in too many cases being able to screw virtually everyone else: smaller stockholders, employees, suppliers, and of course customers.

Other examples of the time where things changed for the worse are the move to “managed care” in the health insurance system and the demise of company pensions in favor of self directed plans like IRAs. Those are more obvious examples of the financial engineering that have crippled our economy, but there are lots more less than obvious tools that were used. The one human trait behind it all: greed.

GNL
GNL
January 28, 2024 9:41 am

G.R.E.E.D. is the most destructive human trait.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  GNL
January 28, 2024 9:53 am

I think apathy gives greed a run for the money

H2O2
H2O2
  anon a moos
January 28, 2024 12:24 pm

Yes, apathy, and also it seems most people observe an event or situation and then immediately judge the the issue without any thought or discernment – it’s like their ability to think for themselves has been replaced by a hive mind or collective “thought” already prepared and inserted in their brains for them.

Vic
Vic
  anon a moos
January 29, 2024 1:43 am

Apathy? Who cares.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
January 28, 2024 10:08 am

Smugness first. It enables greed.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 7:54 pm

Smugness is bad.
Revenge? Iz good.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
January 28, 2024 10:34 am

Greed is just one aspect of powerism.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
January 28, 2024 11:45 am

Greed manifests in overconsumption.
Overconsumption is evil.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Anonymous
January 29, 2024 12:14 am

Like several mansions, airplanes, cars, yachts, multiple vacations, dining out, club memberships, mistresses, etc.

Vic
Vic
  rhsjr
January 29, 2024 1:45 am

Hey, we can’t all get elected and become “public servants”.

Oilman2
Oilman2
  GNL
January 28, 2024 12:26 pm

I’m going to have to go with COVETING, as it covers much more ground than greed alone. Coveting is just out of use for that very reason – one can covet ANYTHING, and so very many do.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  GNL
January 28, 2024 5:08 pm

“I want to consume and play, not consume and work”

Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 9:53 am

I’ll be flying a 737-800 in two weeks.
Aisle seat, so the two people next to me will get sucked out of the plane first if my side of the plane is the one that opens up mid-flight.
So I’ve got a decent chance to survive, but it’s going to be awfully cold.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 9:55 am

But the pilot and co-pilot are diversity hires jabbed and double boosted. So theres that.

Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor
  anon a moos
January 28, 2024 10:26 am

And we’ve now learned that the United airlines CEO is a cross-dresser.
I’m rolling the dice on this trip, lol.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 10:35 am

Make it a game ike the Wheel:

Maybe it, flying now with B0 Wing, is even more like Jeopardy!?

Tough choices these days made worse by D.I.E.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Aunt Acid
January 29, 2024 1:50 am

Vanna White for President!

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 10:53 am

Just stay away from the “wings stay on/wings fall off” button. you’ll be fine!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 1:18 pm

Wow!
Didn’t know you could fly a Boeing 737-800 from an ‘aisle seat’

Lol!

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 1:50 pm

comment image

Comes in adult versions too for those identifying as pilots. I’m told the cockpit has them installed now.

johngarand1941
johngarand1941
  anon a moos
January 28, 2024 6:59 pm

I recognize the car seat!

H2O2
H2O2
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 28, 2024 2:43 pm

not to worry Todd, sometimes 737 flights come with sunroof, just keep buckled – Aloha Airlines Flight 243

Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor
  H2O2
January 28, 2024 5:59 pm

I remember that one. Incredible that it stayed intact and could be landed.

Vic
Vic
  Todd Packer's Mentor
January 29, 2024 1:48 am

Choose your aisle seat where there are two fat women in the other seats-you’ll be less likely to be sucked out when the door plug comes off.

Quahooger
Quahooger
January 28, 2024 10:07 am

It’s called ‘the long march through the institutions.’ How pathetically ironic that this author cites an ‘economist’ from the Chicago $chool.

Trumpeter
Trumpeter
January 28, 2024 10:09 am

“the vastly complex, interrelated, and often contradictory economic forces pushing and pulling” were the result of intentionally designed government policy. As Harry Truman said “There are No coincidences in politics.”

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Trumpeter
January 28, 2024 10:36 am

but there are cohencidences.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  Aunt Acid
January 28, 2024 10:52 am

I see what you did… they’re everywhere…

rhsjr
rhsjr
  anon a moos
January 29, 2024 12:33 am

The T-37 jet aircraft pitched up so hard just as I was about to touch down that the stick was torn from my hand. The Instructor (Capt Yeckley) was also thrown back hard and the G-force so high we couldn’t lift out hands; all I could see was blue sky, but he slammed the stick to the firewall with his foot and the AC nosed over into a hard “controlled crash” almost at the median (it felt like falling two stories and landing on your butt). I said thanks for saving my life. He said I saved my life, yours’ was totally incoincidental.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 28, 2024 10:29 am

50/50 Boeing is being destroyed by a combination of deliberate sabotage by the Chinese and unwitting sabotage by its own affirmative action, DEI and ESG policies.

Brock Sampson
Brock Sampson
January 28, 2024 10:37 am

I suspect that the demise of most technical companies like Boeing, directly correlates with the proliferation of MBA degrees as a means for further insulating and rewarding the in-crowd. Historically manufacturing companies have been engineering driven and were closer to a meritocracy in terms of who got promoted. That all changed about 20 yrs ago when many companies (including my own employer) started sending large swathes of chosen employees back for executive MBA programs. It was essentially a good-ole-boy system to reward the popular kids, and it had nothing to do with skills the person did/didn’t learn from the program. Coworkers who opted to pay for the MBAs with their own dime never got any of the same career advancement benefit even though many actually actually showed much better mastery of the subject.

The end result of all of this is that it effectively put a ceiling on the technical ladder in terms of career advancement causing further stagnation and loss of innovation. New hires quickly realized that if they wanted to get ahead they either leave the company, or jump to a business role. We now have literally hundreds of former engineers putting together TPS documents and Powerpoint presentations while the plant is literally falling apart for lack of skilled people (just like Boeing).

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Brock Sampson
January 29, 2024 12:42 am

After the 1964 Civil Riots Act , companies had quotas for minorities and White males were not hired or passed over. My Commander said send me the name of you best black enlisted for Officer School. The guy said no, I only want out. When I told my Commander, he said send me the name of your next best black.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  rhsjr
January 29, 2024 2:27 am

And, that’s when Obama darkened your office doorway.

Tlate
Tlate
January 28, 2024 11:11 am

I am not an engineer, but it seems to me that continually stretching the fuselage of an airplane (737) would lead to all sorts of structural issues. My brother who was a 737 pilot did say you had to be careful not to bounce the tail on the ground when landing one of the longer models.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Tlate
January 29, 2024 12:53 am

You mean to Especially not slam their tail on the ground; they also don’t like it when you land off the runway.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Tlate
January 29, 2024 1:56 am

Always wondered about those extra long highway trucks, the ones with 3 trailers-had to be at least 140 feet long.

Walter
Walter
January 28, 2024 12:01 pm

Boeing was the company that lifted Washington state out of an agricultural and harvest based obscurity. For my money we would have been far better off if Boeing had sprung up somewhere far far away.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Walter
January 28, 2024 12:22 pm

Forestry too.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  lamont cranston
January 29, 2024 12:54 am

Boeing might become farmland again.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 28, 2024 4:07 pm

The book “The Rise and Fall of the DC-10” explains everything you ever wanted to know about the “culture” at McDonnell-Douglas pre-1997. Boeing swallowed a slow-acting poison-pill.

The whole aviation industry is DEI and fully woke. It is destroying the aviation sector. From janitors to the Board Rooms. If you work in the aviation industry and value your job, you will tow the line.
The FAA, NTSB, ALL Airlines (with rare exception), ALL Airframe and Engine manufacturers, the military/industrial complex, et al.

Everyone in the “know” within the industry knows disaster is right around the corner. ESPECIALLY the Aviation Insurers.
What is happening at Boeing is the tip of the ice berg. Everyone is infected with the same disease.

Gregabob
Gregabob
  Anonymous
January 28, 2024 11:56 pm

It’s only a matter of time until we have another Tenerife.

Vic
Vic
  Gregabob
January 29, 2024 1:58 am

Rest assured, FJB is working on it.

rhsjr
rhsjr
  Anonymous
January 29, 2024 1:00 am

The USAF must have gotten a deal on DC-10s because we got a bunch of them. There was no way to load/unload cargo but a very tall ramp into the side of the fuselage. POS in my mind.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
January 28, 2024 4:38 pm

Say what you will about McDonell-Douglas, but their DC-10 was (and may still be in 3d world nations) a solid workhorse of an aircraft — in passenger, freight and mixed service. Their DC-9 — the ‘clone’ of the B-727 — was also widely adopted.

One of the probable issues for Boeing is that they’ve had to — or chosen to — outsource a lot of their sub-assembly production to china … a country known for cutting corners in industrial circles back then …

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  Anthony Aaron
January 28, 2024 6:07 pm

Zhou Bai Din is proud of his accomplishments against the U.S.A. and its citizens.

Vic
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  Anthony Aaron
January 29, 2024 2:01 am

DC-3 was a workhorse, even in its dying days when they would sometimes show up in strange places after a drug run-like on top of a mesa outside Trinidad, Colorado a couple decades ago.