Some Advice for Eliza

Guest Post by Eric Peters

There is an article on Substack making the rounds about a young woman named Eliza who – per the headline of the article – apparently believes that “work harder just doesn’t cut it.”

The problem is she’s not working all that much – and she’s spending way too much on the one thing a young person her age need not spend that much money on. She works a 40-hour week, which is nice work, if you can get it. She says she takes home $2,000 per month. She could take home more, if she were willing to work longer. When you’re young and single you’re free to do that because you haven’t got the responsibilities that people who have kids, for instance, have. You’re are also able to work longer and – yes, harder – because you’re young and your body can take it.

So take advantage of it.

Leverage your assets – your youth and energy and your freedom from the responsibilities, including the expenses that most older people are saddled with.

Let’s get into that.

Eliza says she spends $1,600 to rent a two bedroom apartment. Why does a single young woman need a two bedroom apartment? Who is the other bedroom for? Why not get a roommate and cut the rent in half? Eliza could be paying $800 per month rather than $1,600 per month for the luxury of having an extra bedroom no one is sleeping in. Having roommates or housemates is how you cut down living expenses when you’re young and single and just need a place to crash after work. This is how you save the money you work for, so as to be able to afford a place to live when you’re older.

If you’re a young guy, you can crash in a van – which is even cheaper living than renting a room. Once again, you are young – and this can be fun. You’re not tied down to a place – or a lease. You can follow the work without the hassle that attends having a lease. Find the local YMCA or join a cheap gym to have a place to shower. Is it worth paying essentially zero rent for a year, say? How much could you save during those 12 months? If you’re not paying  $800 per month to share an apartment with Eliza, you’d have almost $10,000 in your pocket after just one year. After two, you’d have almost $20k – and that’s enough cash to put a down payment on a first house. Your own place – with no roommates, unless you felt like having them.

Now let’s get into what the writer of the article has to say.

He says  people Eliza’s age ” . . . who don’t come from well to do households better be prepared to take out a six figure loan to make a future degree a reality. If they want to buy a vehicle, they better be ready to take out another loan on their car.” 

Why buy the degree? Unless it’s a degree in something valuable, that is. One of the great opportunities people Eliza’s age have today that people in prior ages did not have is the opportunity to pursue careers that used to require a degree to even be considered for. As an example, I’ll cite myself. I did not need the degree I have to practice journalism – in that I could write competently when I was in high school. But I had to have the college degree to be considered for employment was a journalist, back in the late ’80s.

That is no longer true.

It has also never been necessary to get a degree – and six figure debt – to learn a trade.

Electricians and plumbers and competent framers, welders and so on make more than most liberal arts college grads – and are not encumbered by six figure debt. Going to college may make sense if you are pursuing a course of study that justifies the expense.

A degree in Gender Studies does not.

As far as the car: Buy one you can pay for – in cash. Do not take out a loan to get a car. Even though the cost of car ownership has gone up, there are still serviceable used cars available for $3,500 or so. They will have high miles, of course. And they may not be “nice.” But “nice” is for when you can afford it. If you have to finance it, then you can’t afford it.

Don’t be fear-addled about whether the old beater car is “reliable.” Or “safe.” If it works, it’s good. Maybe it won’t always work. Then you deal with it. Having to spend some money out of pocket for a repair that comes up is infinitely preferable than the certainly of a monthly payment. You’ll actually have money for the repair – if you’re not constantly making payments.

You don’t need a $2,000 iPhone. A $50 track phone texts and calls just as well. Eat cheap food – which is still available. Avoid eating out. Make coffee at home. Don’t buy $8 drinks at Starbucks.

Find fun that’s free, such as going for hikes.

One of the things people Eliza’s age did get a raw deal on is government-mandated health care – which isn’t that. Your are not paying to get health care. You are being forced to pay money to the insurance mafia, which may pay for some of your care, if you ever need it. If you don’t you will still pay the mafia.

People my age and older had the freedom to not pay the mafia – and this enabled us to save money and so to have money.

But people Eliza’s age can still choose to have as little money extracted from their paychecks as possible, by choosing the least “coverage” allowable. If you work for yourself – as for example as a construction worker – and get paid in cash, don’t spend any of it on “coverage.” Reduce your visible income enough and you do not have to buy “coverage.” There are exemptions from the “mandate” for those who cannot afford it.

Remember: You are young and (presumably) healthy and so it is unlikely you will need “coverage.”

Live as cheaply as you can while you are young – so you won’t be forced to live harder, when you’re older.

While the author of the article about Eliza is right that times are harder, it’s also true they’ve never been easy. Back in the late 1980s, when I got out of college, I wasn’t earning much money, either. But I wasn’t spending what little I earned on a two bedroom apartment – nor did I have a car payment. I lived with a bunch of dudes in a crappy townhouse and drove a beat-up old VW I paid for in cash, because it only cost about $700 and so I could pay for it in cash and thus had no car debt. It had rusty floorpans and when it rained, I had to use an old sock to keep the windshield clear enough for me to see out of.  It did not have a Bluetooth stereo. It barely had heat.

But I didn’t have a car payment.

And I paid very little rent, because all I needed when I was Eliza’s age was a place to crash.

That is all anyone her age needs.

And there’s something else, which Eliza herself touches on in her teary monologue. She is “not made for this,” she says. Indeed. Feminism has pushed young women into careers – that is, into jobs. Into competing for jobs, against men and and avoiding becoming moms, which is sneered upon as something other than a career. So that both can work harder – and longer – and pay more taxes.

And who pays for that?

If only she could see that.

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109 Comments
Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
February 9, 2024 2:39 pm

I know of a nice gig where she could make lots of money in bed .lol

A9racer
A9racer
  Gaping sphincter
February 9, 2024 8:57 pm

Probably how you got your handle…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  A9racer
February 9, 2024 9:13 pm

LOLOL

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Gaping sphincter
February 10, 2024 7:09 am

The fines are hefty if you get caught though, hampering savings.

B_MC
B_MC
February 9, 2024 2:44 pm

Live as cheaply as you can while you are young – so you won’t be forced to live harder, when you’re older.

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TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 3:33 pm

Living way below your means is always a good answer for building wealth.

august
august
  TN Patriot
February 9, 2024 6:01 pm

FWIW I knew an Army vet who put himself through grad school at Yale while living full-time in a van, taking showers at the gym, studying in the library.

Unless you have a family, all you really need is a reasonably comfortable place to sleep.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  august
February 9, 2024 8:02 pm

I have lived in a 25 year old 10X60 trailer that cost me $3,500 with $20/mo lot rent, water @ $15/mo & electricity for about $35/mo. I managed to save quite a bit while I was there for about a year. I travelled a lot, so stayed in hotels & ate on the expense account 3 or 4 nights a week.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  august
February 9, 2024 9:30 pm

It keeps you out of debt (and I basically did this twice in my life) but it doesn’t turn into ‘wealth’

fujigm
fujigm
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 10:14 pm

Maintain that lifestyle, and what others think of as “hard” is normal, or even easy for you.
A habit takes 30 days to make or break.
Consciously begin the habits listed above.
In a month, they will be the norm.

ICE-9
ICE-9
February 9, 2024 2:50 pm

Learn to blow job.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  ICE-9
February 9, 2024 4:00 pm

Good to see you ICE.

ICE-9
ICE-9
  Austrian Peter
February 9, 2024 4:42 pm

Dude!

miforest
miforest
  ICE-9
February 9, 2024 9:26 pm

thats no life asshole

Anonymous
Anonymous
  miforest
February 9, 2024 10:14 pm

Can you imagine crocheting everyday? Me neither.

But a chick can.

Anon
Anon
  ICE-9
February 9, 2024 10:04 pm

A Ph.d in Fellatio Arts is a good paying gig.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anon
February 10, 2024 2:07 pm

What’s a PhD in fellatio?
Puckering hard Dicks?

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
February 9, 2024 3:02 pm

Very common sense. I did most of the above and retired debt free at 55, and my wife and I only had the average US income in our best years. Discipline is the key, especially with your hard earned money.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  AKJOHN
February 9, 2024 3:32 pm

Best advice I ever got was to “pay yourself first”. It works quite well until the wife decides to become the ex wife and takes half of it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TN Patriot
February 9, 2024 7:11 pm

He gets the outside half.

Saul Rubinstein
Saul Rubinstein
  TN Patriot
February 9, 2024 7:55 pm

You should have married well, like Saul did. She was a hard working woman but of no further use to me after she dried up, so Saul took advantage of the no fault divorce laws and got half of her pension. Now I’m traveling the country on her and the tax payer’s dime.

I’m currently trying to get my hands on some of those $5k visa cards and free phones the beaners and chinks are getting when they invade our once great nation. Any pointers?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Saul Rubinstein
February 9, 2024 9:15 pm

Maybe you could join MS-13.

fujigm
fujigm
  Saul Rubinstein
February 9, 2024 10:17 pm

Learn Spanish.
Mingle with the crowd.
Pass yourself off as Euro heritage spic trash.
They will reveal all of their secrets to you.

Saul Rubinstein
Saul Rubinstein
  AKJOHN
February 9, 2024 7:51 pm

I did none of the above and retired debt free – to living in a van. The older I get, the less I need. No wife, no kids, no job, and plenty of government freebies to keep the tank and belly full.

I tried to post a “how to travel the country on benefits” thread on r/vandwellers and the bastards took it down.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Saul Rubinstein
February 9, 2024 8:04 pm

Send it to admin and he might post it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  AKJOHN
February 11, 2024 7:38 pm

Congratulations on avoiding divorcerape.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 9, 2024 3:36 pm

Young guys need advice about how to work harder for themselves. Working hard for others is a suckers game nowadays.

Chicks however don’t need to worry about any of this.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Anonymous
February 9, 2024 7:31 pm

The unattractive (more personality than looks) do.

Saul Rubinstein
Saul Rubinstein
  MrLiberty
February 9, 2024 7:58 pm

That’s what makeup, dim lighting and alcohol were made for. Throw in some knee pads and she’s golden.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
February 9, 2024 8:10 pm

Nah, the real uggos can still live on their backs. Can’t count on repeat customers, though.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
February 9, 2024 3:54 pm

“If only she could see that.” Most don’t think it through Eric, but well said. I am 80 this year, live in paradise (Simons Town, SA) in a 30 sq m flat, on a mountain, fitted out like a boat. We have more storage than we know what to do with, all facilities like hot and cold running water, shower, a cabin, saloon, galley, and heads, all for £150/month inclusive. The only extra costs are food, medical, and a small car, max £200/month, and 300 days of free sun a year!

Less is more these days IMHO. In the UK I was paying £300/month for electricity alone! All it takes is thinking it through! https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/the-financial-jigsaw-part-2-energy?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=762792&post_id=93512291&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

B_MC
B_MC
  Austrian Peter
February 9, 2024 4:34 pm

Peter, your opinion please….

Dilligaf variant
Dilligaf variant
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 5:38 pm

Why would there be outrage? It’s exactly what the TPTB want.

august
august
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 6:03 pm

Kill the goose! We don’t want no stinkin’ golden eggs.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  B_MC
February 10, 2024 4:59 pm

Hi B_MC – I did reply a few days ago but it appears to have disappeared. My view is no worries – a coalition result in May will likely be a bonus and keep Malema constrained – otherwise, I am outa here rapido LOL – lots of places to run to and as always an adventure (which is my forte!)

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 9, 2024 4:07 pm

The event horizon of someone under the age of thirty is usually in the one to two week range, tops. She doesn’t understand that if you choose the route of a career type rather than as a wife and mother, it’s going to take ten years to reach any level of financial security, never mind success. It also seems like she has made a couple of strategic errors right from the get go, like a two bedroom apartment for a single person, a job she clearly doesn’t have a passion for, and the discipline required to take care of the daily chores that come along with in a timely manner instead of putting them off. I’m an old man and I work- conservatively- 60 hours or more a week. I don’t get weekends off, no vacations or sick days, every day requires my efforts, certainly more physical than anything she does, but I also chose something I am passionate about so it doesn’t sap my energy, it feeds me. In her case it drains her, despite having all that youthful energy.

Life is about a lot more than relaxing and enjoying free time

This is where thoughtful parenting should have prepared her, but clearly she either doesn’t have that to rely on, or she’s so headstrong she’s made the decision not to listen to them, if they gave her sound advice.

In another time and place her best move would be to land a husband and start having children where the two of them in concert become a force multiplier getting her closer to her goals than she could ever do on her own.

GNL
GNL
  hardscrabble farmer
February 9, 2024 6:35 pm

She should get married and add kids to the expenses column? A man her age is likely making how much and he should take on 3 more mouths?

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  GNL
February 9, 2024 8:29 pm

It all comes back to government, the elephant in the room.

GNL
GNL
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 8:46 pm

Government, fiat and too big to fail.

BL
BL
  GNL
February 9, 2024 10:05 pm

Glock- The reason men could get good paying positions in the 50’s and 60’s (pre-feminism) was because women WERE AT HOME and not in the workplace (other than nurses, teachers, secretaries who were mostly single women) . If you took women out of the workforce today, the pay scale would resume to paying a smaller workforce pool a decent wage to feed a family.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  BL
February 9, 2024 10:16 pm

No, it wouldn’t, BL. You seem to forget about who owns us more and more. Men are not men because they possess ‘work freedom’ given to them. Now if men were patriarchs that prohibited women from lousing up the workplace, then men would be doing all those other things right. American men will never do that from here on. Only conquering foreign men might bring patriarchy and viable culture to this land. I want to be wrong, but I’m not.

BL
BL
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 10:30 pm

RD- I didn’t say work freedom was given to men, I said feminism fuked up the working of the American workforce and competition for wage scale. I’m not sure what your point might be.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  BL
February 10, 2024 12:27 pm

Beau, you said reversing feminization of the workplace would restore the economic vitality of men, enough to raise families. I disagree. There is a complex of symptoms to fix, but one wins by addressing the causes. We know what they are, of course. As an INTJ, I am very precise. I agree with the spirit of your statement. Maybe I should talk like that instead.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  GNL
February 9, 2024 9:19 pm

She might be able to catch a good man if she chooses the Tradwife path.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 9, 2024 4:40 pm

That’s what these chicks wanted. The hell with staying home and raising a family. That’s beneath them. They want to be “empowered”. Go get em, girl boss. Get back to work.

Dilligaf variant
Dilligaf variant
  Anonymous
February 9, 2024 5:39 pm

Males of her age won’t even pay for a date do you really think they’re going to support her to stay at home and raise babies? Traditional society has been destroyed.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Dilligaf variant
February 9, 2024 6:23 pm

You watch too much TV.

The entire world isn’t what you see in the media, there are millions and millions of traditional minded young males who’d wife up that young lady if she knocked off the empowered woman schtick.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  hardscrabble farmer
February 9, 2024 8:31 pm

A family takes money. The government regulation of property rights is everywhere. There is no where to be left alone, especially for the younger generations. Past performance does not predict future results, except that the serfs are so proud to pretend to be first-worlders as always. Sportsball this weekend!

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 9:18 pm

Then quit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
February 9, 2024 9:26 pm

You didn’t drop out?

morongobill
morongobill
  Anonymous
February 10, 2024 2:01 pm

What are you talking about? HSF built up his own farm and has established himself in the local community – you call that dropping out?

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  hardscrabble farmer
February 9, 2024 9:37 pm

I quit your social norms already. You want to be the only game in town? I want to replace your status quo, and I don’t care how. I hope many more men will accrue to my way of thinking.

fujigm
fujigm
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 10:23 pm

A lot of men have gone Galt.
At least I’m no longer a NEO-PIRG extreme outlier as the curve moves toward me.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  fujigm
February 10, 2024 12:40 pm

fujigm, I am not familiar with NEO-PIRG, and I don’t wish to try and understand your comment now by studying it. I am familiar with the Big Five and the Big Six. I think I can trust Jordan Peterson’s explanation of the Big Five, and by extension the Big Six. The ‘experts’ or at least pundits have their personality trait dimensions, and a survey of those pundits yielded clumps of personality trait dimensions or qualifiers. Thus, the Big Five is fundamental personality traits according to popular opinion of the ‘experts’, which has not theoretical basis is reality whatsoever, just like self-reporting surveys are surveys of ‘opinions’ of reality and subhumans only care about the truth of herd power, i.e. narrative. I consider Big Five and its derivatives to be psychological fingerprints and nothing more. Technocrats will of course use it to pick the winners and losers by their compatibility with themselves or with their domestication, as the case may be.

Timing is everything between producers and parasites, and these ebbs and flows last generations if not life times. I am still a bitter outlier. I suspect I can relate to what you said. There will be a population correction of some sort. If a certain breed of outliers win, they will move the center of the social bell curve to themselves and set the standards of social norms and culture. I would not hesitate to move the bell curve to my values. If an epic correction in my favor were to occur, I would have a chance at breeding. That miracle is not likely, and I am very unlikely to reproduce within the confines of this active, deepening, vital decline. The normies like this sheet and rationalize. What sort of mind would do that? Scares the bejesus out of me to realize it.

Now, do we wish to salvage and to invest in the salvation of those minds? Such minds are the fertile ground of the antithetical, of the natural enemy. The mere potential is something that ecological selection and evolution will explore. The parable of Jesus about a sower of seed comes to mind. What biological grounds shall we bear within our society? Look what human grounds our forebears have tolerated and even protected.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
February 10, 2024 7:22 pm

I don’t know what neo-pirg or big 5/6 are, but
“I think I can trust Jordan Peterson’s explanation…”

let’s not

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Dilligaf variant
February 9, 2024 6:43 pm

(((Family Courts))) have turned every horny schmo into a lifetime Social Welfare payout for 8-minutes of sex he won’t remember. Get thee to a monastery, lad.

A9racer
A9racer
  World War Zero
February 9, 2024 9:01 pm

8 minutes? What did he do with the other 5?

World War Zero
World War Zero
  A9racer
February 9, 2024 9:14 pm

Grope around for a condom that was strategically pushed off bed 😀

The Orangutan
The Orangutan
February 9, 2024 4:55 pm

So much truth, but unless Eliza is lurking here on the pages of TBP, it isn’t getting through to her or the other young’uns that need to hear it.

I lived with 2 other friends in a 900 sq. ft. 2nd floor 3-bedroom walkup apartment in the south central part of town for my first 12 years of post-university employment (1988-1999) and although I stayed longer than I had to, and went through 8 roommates (?) in total in that time, it was cheap, well located, and all I needed. When I first moved in, the monthly rent, split 3 ways, was $173 each. I lived below my means and invested the balance. By the time I left, I bought my first house with cash.

Although times are tougher now – just look at the income to rent or income to house price ratios then vs. now – the approach described here is still the only way to get the snowball growing when you are young, so that it keeps growing along with you.

Waves
Waves
  The Orangutan
February 9, 2024 10:16 pm

Yes, that was the general idea for all of us who did it right when leaving the nest 30, 40, 50 years ago, even 20. But the ratio of wages to mandatory expenses was WAY different and my heart breaks for the extremely unfair world young people find themselves in, in comparison.

Times are not just ‘tougher’ for them, they are brutal in comparison.

I could find awesome cheap single dwellings for 40 years for average 1/4 of my monthly take home up until buying in 2012, even in highly desirable areas of LA, Boulder, SF and Sonoma. Every place I lived would now rent for 400+% more and the same jobs pay maybe 20% more. Eliza doesn’t even know that but here in the prime of her life -when I did have that fantastic time she’s feeling losing out on and always felt surrounded by abundant opportunities- she’s correct to smell a rat that the slave factor has escalated exponentially and to feel disheartened at the weight of a long future of a lopsided return for hard effort.

Dilligaf variant
Dilligaf variant
February 9, 2024 5:35 pm

On what planet is an apartment $800 a month? A one bedroom in my area (even in shit neighborhoods) is $2800. And that’s in the burbs.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dilligaf variant
February 9, 2024 7:46 pm

and wtf can live on 2000 per month independently?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Dilligaf variant
February 9, 2024 9:24 pm

This chick is paying $1,600 for a 2BR = $800 if split with a roommate. Late ’80’s I rented a little house with 3 buddies for $650. $650/4 = $162.50. Now it would probably rent for $1,800. $450 each + utilities. Every night we played hearts. Good times.

A cruel accountant
A cruel accountant
February 9, 2024 5:40 pm

Idgaf about Eliza

zappalives
zappalives
February 9, 2024 5:41 pm

She needs to have 6-7 niggerbabies and get a face tattoo.

Gaping sphincter
Gaping sphincter
  zappalives
February 9, 2024 7:48 pm

Rofl

T4C
T4C
February 9, 2024 6:05 pm

Eliza then and Eliza now. See comments on how she needs to be married and have kids….What???!!! I sure as shit wouldn’t recommend that Hell Maiden on any man or child.

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James
James
February 9, 2024 6:13 pm

How about some good news?!

https://ogdaa.blogspot.com/2024/02/unnamed-man-drops-off-crate-of-puppies.html

This homeless guy has a heart of gold and was a guardian angel for these puppies!

I hope he is identified and someone is his guardian angel,would be glad to give him some help personally!

Some days you realize you may not have to burn it all down,just most of it!

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Dilligaf variant
Dilligaf variant
  James
February 9, 2024 6:15 pm

Love it.

Llpoh
Llpoh
February 9, 2024 6:41 pm

I posted something similar a while back. Many responses were that young people hate boomers because of this attitude, the old ways of thrift won’t work, everything is impossible, today is too hard for the young, etc etc etc.

There have never been greater opportunities for a smart, hard working young person. Never. There is literally almost no competition out there anymore. Young, smart, hardworking puts that youngster ahead of 95% of the competition immediately.

The old values will work for anyone, not everyone, as everyone won’t make the effort.

Every extra hour of effort for a young person will pay off multiple times going forward. It is just like compound interest of money. And best of all, you don’t need money to start the process. You just need effort.

I probably put in around 20,000 more hours than my cohort before I was 35. Each of those hours ultimately turned into hundreds of dollars. It didn’t happen immediately, but it happened. And as it happened, my hours dropped steadily, and rapidly.

While the hours of the cohort didn’t – “I gotta work to 75! I don’t have enough to retire! I can’t send my kids to college! I got divorced! I had to buy a new car because my current one is 3 years old! Big screen TV! iPhone! Holiday! Mortgage!”

Be an ant, not a grasshopper. Young people, take advantage of the fact that most young people are dullards, lazy, and parasitic.

Arcayer
Arcayer
  Llpoh
February 9, 2024 7:30 pm

Part of the dynamics here look to me like an ultimatum game. Old people, elites, the well connected, etc, expect to take something like 80% of the gains of trade. The vast amount of your efforts are consumed by taxes, regulations, rent seeking, etc. Sure, you still can put in yet more work and collect some tables scraps to get ahead with, just as you can accept a 20% payout in an ultimatum game, and thus get something instead of nothing, but is that worth it?

From my perspective, the people who look at the current job market and say “screw you” are actually using better decision theory, regardless of who gets ahead, or what have you.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Arcayer
February 9, 2024 8:04 pm

So ridiculous. And where did I mention job? Anywhere?

The sheep are ready to be sheared by hard working shearers. And sheared they will be.

GNL
GNL
  Llpoh
February 9, 2024 8:34 pm

Llpoh,

I remember you saying you wouldn’t start a business in today’s environment.

GNL
GNL
  GNL
February 9, 2024 8:52 pm

Llpoh,

But I do agree with you. I mean, what else can a person do. You got to fight. Fight like hell for what you want.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  GNL
February 10, 2024 1:41 am

It is hard. But you can run one man stuff, or maybe a partnership. Lots of opportunity when competitors are non existent.

Arcayer
Arcayer
  Llpoh
February 9, 2024 8:42 pm

People generally think much more highly of themselves than is accurate. Competing over whether you get screwed or whether you get to screw the other side, mostly just results in getting screwed.

You put hours into jobs. As for the rest, it really doesn’t help to be self employed or whatever. In fact, it tends to be much worse. Society is structured to produce jobs, that’s where all the benefits and tax advantages and etc. are. The way to get ahead in life, by putting in the hours and not being lazy and parasitic, is in fact, to get a job.

Playing stupid and loaded games rarely ends well. Better to just disconnect from society and the economy as much as possible.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Arcayer
February 10, 2024 12:56 am

Sounds like a marxist class warfare whine …

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
February 9, 2024 8:18 pm

But no one wants young, smart, hardworking men except to rip them off. And the rest goes to taxes.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Llpoh
February 9, 2024 9:27 pm

Most people aren’t smart.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Llpoh
February 10, 2024 12:54 am

Let’s say you started working — for a living — at age 15. That’d be 20 years of work before you were 35 … for which you’re claiming an EXTRA 20,000 of work … i.e., more than 1,000 hours of extra work per year — about 65 hours of work per week … every week … from age 15 to age 35.

Highly unlikely …

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anthony Aaron
February 10, 2024 1:37 am

You don’t know me, and you don’t know shit. Highly unlikely? Hell, I worked about 80 hrs a week from age 18 to 22. That put me up about 8,000. Then I worked 100+ a week for a couple years, for another 6000, then 80 for several, up another say 10,000, then 70+ for a few, up another say 7500. I never worked under 70 from 18 to early thirties. Maff is hard for morons like you, you don’t have clue one. Outworking the comp by 20,000 ways conservative. It was more like 30,000. But who is counting? Each hr paid off handsomely.

B_MC
B_MC
February 9, 2024 6:46 pm

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Anonymous
Anonymous
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 8:20 pm

One of those few developments out of 4kids and other places that just make me go *chef’s kiss

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  B_MC
February 9, 2024 9:29 pm

One thing I learned, though it won’t help me, is that looks are secondary to feelz. Does look at least okay to not be a deal breaker, and does she feel excellent physically and psychologically? Nubile virginity takes care of #1 in spades. An attractive personality is the answer to #2. So now we have eliminated 99% of American women as wife eligible. Yet, a much higher percent gets married with ‘thirsty’ guys. She’ll wear white and charge a man an arm and a leg to pay for the rite of passage. Look at that chick’s smile. It’s a smirk. Doesn’t exactly fit holding her child, now does it? Eyes like that should be avoided. You will be sorry if you keep chasing bodies with mental insides like that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 11:08 pm

yeah she looks nuts
it’s the thot that counts

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  'Reality' Doug
February 10, 2024 1:42 pm

It occurred to me later that those eyes express conceit (i.e. egotism).

conceit, n. – an exaggerated estimation of one’s own social worth and importance, egotism.

All pre-wall graduates of JWO’s Teenybopper U. have it as a perversion-by-inversion marker of high status.

The lyrics are propaganda, of course, but there is an ‘antidote’ of sorts for that lifestyle nonsense. One thing I have learned but not reaped is that if one has sex with one chick, her close friends will sometimes want to have subsequent sex with one. A hoe has hoe friends. What young or even middle-aged and not happily married Western woman is not a hoe? The instincts are clear. The does only mate with alpha.

Humans are mammals too.

“Who the hell are you, Missy?”

“A few years ago I thought I had it all, and there was something missing from my life. [An obvious contradiction, but what powers of narrative this slightly used beauty has.] So I [did things?] with this guy who treated me like a princess and would have been the best husband to me.” [Teenybooper U. alum right there. And here comes the undefeated Wall.]

Anonymous
Anonymous
  B_MC
February 10, 2024 7:14 am

Few women look the same after having a kid. The picture is not representative.

Zulu Foxtrot Golf
Zulu Foxtrot Golf
February 9, 2024 6:49 pm

I have some advice for Eliza: drink some fucking concrete and harden up.

ZFG, out.

P.S. eat a dick.

49%mfer
49%mfer
  Zulu Foxtrot Golf
February 9, 2024 10:22 pm

Rofl!
Sound advice.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  49%mfer
February 10, 2024 2:13 pm

Rock solid counsel.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 9, 2024 7:44 pm

this writer has horse sense and spunk. eliza….meh

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 9, 2024 8:37 pm

eliza could make a living with horse spunk

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 8:22 pm

This article is total BS. Herd animals love to shit downhill and take shit from uphill as a patriotic or moral duty. The juice of this life under this rule is not worth the squeeze. You can deny it, but more and more it is true. Technology gets better and better and life gets harder and harder. Clearly, there is someone to deal with. Since none of us are the members of a patriarchy, and this culture war has been won since 2020, you dweebs will hold on and on and on, but your hold is fictitious.

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Earning income is a herd popularity contest. Political rank determines economic rank. If you think otherwise, you don’t think at all. Get in your Boeing and ride!

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 8:51 pm

BTW, one key thing that I don’t think anyone has mentioned.

Q: What makes life worth living?

A: Relationships.

HSF talks about lots of stuff, but what does he have? Relationships. The rest is just commentary. A helpless paraplegic vet with a loyal wife and children and larger network of family and friends is happy. A healthy social outcast who has been betrayed and can’t recover is miserable. Social health is a part of health, and you small-minded people in the middle of the social bell curve think you have it all figured out. You don’t. You are simply mentally built to be part of a herd that is still large enough to be personally useful. That is changing.

They are coming for you. Domestication relationships are given from above, not earned. The social order decides more than you do, but if you are domesticated, you don’t know that, and you don’t want to know that. Which is why we lost. You would rather not take the law into your own hands and would rather not hit a woman. Such fine values! You can’t see shit, so I just tell the young humans, you subhumans can’t see shit but the narrative that makes you feelz good and functional in your herd. I so want to see a collapse of herd social norms.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  'Reality' Doug
February 9, 2024 9:12 pm

Why don’t you cold fucks answer her question:

Why is it that I have to work 40 hours a week just so I can have a place to live?

Rhymes with youz, as in youz fucks the masses who rationalize all this as normal. You’d think the removal of healthy penises on young people would be a fucking clue, but no. Bidnis as fucking usual with you fucks.

What more do you expect of a young woman in the matrix since birth? She ain’t fat. She ain’t aged by drug abuse. She is asking the right questions, and all you want to do is feel superior. Red pill, you dick-laden bitches! What good is your superiority if you don’t have it?, cuck!

Here is a transcript of the first part:

Eliza:

So maybe someone here on TikTok can answer this question for me because I cannot figure it out and I am so frustrated. Why is it that I have to work 40 hours a week just so I can have a place to live? Forty hours a week makes me $2,000 a month and my rent is $1,660. So I work 40 hours a week so I can have a 2-bedroom apartment and an extra $300 a month, like, doesn’t cover my phone, internet, food—you know. So not only do I not have any extra money, but just working makes me so exhausted, but I don’t have time either. Like I get off work at 5:30, come home, I am just so tired. I’m so tired that anything I need to do outside of work I then just push off to like the weekends and I’m like I’m just to tired to do this after work. I’ll wait until Saturday. So then I end up with so much to do on the weekend, that ends up being split into two days. So I have to do stuff both Saturday and Sunday. …

The answer you dumbfucks have given is enjoy living frugally in a 15-minute city. Real frugal. Technocracy at its finest!

Maybe Madame DeFarge has not gotten through to you dumb fucks.

A9racer
A9racer
February 9, 2024 9:15 pm

Invested my hard earned cash in beer, race cars and women. The rest I just wasted.
Then I figured it out at about 40, got my shit together and my family and I have a pretty good thing going on. Wife gets to stay home. She takes good care of me. I do my best to take care of them.
I never was entitled. Grew up with nothing.
I am blessed.

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
February 9, 2024 10:48 pm

Only a privileged boomer would think that if she pays $1600 a month for a two bedroom apartment then she could get a one bedroom apartment for $800. Why is she renting in the first place? If her parents were half as awesome as everyone else from that era they should own the whole condominium building and give her a unit for free. Don’t they have a handful of rental properties/ vacation homes they can choose from to gift her? Or at the very least cough up enough dough for a down payment on a mortgage for their kid so maybe their grandchild don’t grow up slaves to the dirt people replacing us. I suppose she could always just live in a van if her parents don’t mind her getting raped periodically…

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Mushroom Cloud
February 10, 2024 12:59 am

She’s what — 20, 22? She’s not the child of Boomers … too young for that …

I know … math is hard …

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anthony Aaron
February 10, 2024 1:16 am

Reading is hard…

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anthony Aaron
February 10, 2024 9:28 am

Mushroom Cloud did not mention Boomers. Eric Peters is not a Boomer, but he sure sounds like one in this article.

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Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
  Anthony Aaron
February 17, 2024 9:21 am

People are having kids later and later in life so the math makes it completely plausible. There is also a possibility that I was just so “triggered” that I let the simple numbers escape my brain🤦🏼‍♀️; usually I’m teaching Asians how to do math…

Hank
Hank
February 9, 2024 11:16 pm

We raised our family and lived in the same house for 35 years; had a big garden in the back yard that kept me occupied and out of the taverns in what little spare time I had. Almost daily I would stop in at the local Starbucks-not to buy anything-but to pick up free coffee grounds for the garden. Was always amazed at the variety of people sitting at the tables and enjoying their not-so-inexpensive drinks. There truly is something about being debt free (and still driving my ancient pick-em-up) that is comforting at this ripe old age. Just cannot fathom the Elizas of the world.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hank
February 10, 2024 1:20 am

Now the local taverns all shut down and anything free you get for compost will probably poison your garden, and you’ll never meet your future family without using social engineering dating/social apps or working for a corp that requires spikevaxx.

You’re not wrong, but you also have to look at how dystopian things have become.

morongobill
morongobill
February 10, 2024 2:07 pm

Austrian Peter, thanks for the link to your sub stack.

I enjoyed the van life video. Here is a young man who has a very interesting van setup. He also has some serious video skills.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  morongobill
February 10, 2024 6:25 pm

How did he get those outdoor shots? He is not alone and frugal. That van is tricked out. A dog cost time and money. Yes, the top-notch van accoutrements and video production, which go together like pickles and jelly. If one must be ‘alone’ in a van, you’re gonna need a really high social credit score.

morongobill
morongobill
  'Reality' Doug
February 11, 2024 1:01 am

Foresty Forest started out doing long bicycle tours which he funded by working in factories. Then he moved into a minivan to save on rent. Now he lives in that Chevy van with his little dog Rocco and they bag peaks together. Now he wants to do rock climbing. No production team, just himself. He has a drone and you should check out some of those videos taken from a mountain top.

It really is a fun channel to watch and escape from all the bull crap, at least for ten or twenty minutes.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  morongobill
February 11, 2024 5:03 pm

I don’t know how one guy can pull that off on technical skeelz. Also, costs money. That’s no ordinary van. His shit is so together it’s hard to believe. Thing about a van is you need a place to park it. Here in USSA, pulling over to the highway shoulder to sleep and sleeping at a rest stop are violations to be enforced by the police. Used to not be that way some decades ago AFAIK. Perhaps one day I could live in my van on my property of just a patch of land. I may try something like that when the necessity arrives. I wish S would HTF already. Not likely to come in time for me, and maybe it’s not likely to come at all.

anon a moos
anon a moos
  'Reality' Doug
February 11, 2024 5:25 pm

Les Stroud of the Survivorman explained how he did all his early filming with just himself. Basically twice the walking either setting up a camera and walking into/away from it and then going back to get it afterwards.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 11, 2024 7:36 pm

She is almost certainly a believer in the “Wage Gap’ between men and women. Said gap is horseshyte. Unlike men,women are a drag on a company’s profits.