NOT WITH A BANG, BUT A WHIMPER

Via Western Rifle Shooters

The Hollow Men

Mistah Kurtz-he dead
A penny for the Old Guy

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death’s dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind’s singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death’s dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat’s coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer-

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man’s hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death’s other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death’s twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o’clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

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66 Comments
Anonymouse
Anonymouse
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 9:46 am

Behold the mental and moral exhaustion of those who struggle to survive, the thousand yard stare of the dead or nearly dead, the semiconscious realization of the loss of ones humanity distilled into pragmatic word pictures of emotionless despair…terrible and beautiful at the same time in it’s purity. “The Hollow Men” embraced the suck…

Ginger
Ginger
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 10:40 am

Odd but just had finished reading Joseph Conrad’s Heart Of Darkness slowly and surely.
They don’t write like that nowadays.

Ginger
Ginger
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 11:21 am

Thanks, just scanned a bit and can see this will be enjoyable to read.

mathans
mathans
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 4:03 pm

Thanks, and WOW! So relevant to the here and now.

mathans
mathans
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 5:03 pm

I can remember working with a Vietnam vet and his telling of how the Vietnamese children loved American candy. ‘Our boys’ would throw the candy between the rolling wheels of their convoys of military vehicles for the purpose of running over the kids as they wrestled with one another in a mad dash to get to the prize.

I remember the uneasiness, with silence and blank stares that came over all of us listening.

flash
flash
  mathans
May 26, 2024 7:24 pm

My sick cousin used to brag about throwing candy in concertina wire and when the kids would crawl in to get it the candy, they would shoot near them causing them to be badly cut trying to get out….but the military made him a ” man” and a hero. Thank him for his service.

VOWG
VOWG
  mathans
May 27, 2024 9:44 am

Anyone who would do that is sick beyond just plain mental illness.

mathans
mathans
  VOWG
May 27, 2024 12:10 pm

Yeah, I can’t explain it. It appears that in a war setting, the very worst comes out from the human psyche. I know a guy from work that was seeing a shrink because of all the atrocities he personally committed in Iraq. He and others would snipe innocent civilians just for the fun of it. He, himself, supposedly ‘murdered’ 24 people.

Framius Ridiculousus
Framius Ridiculousus
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 2:10 pm

Hey , I’m a believer in a meaning and intent behind the whole shitshow, but I needn’t even go there to find the upshot in it all . Quite simply all the death and decay is the fertile seedbed for something fresh and new to spout out of and the cycle to begin a new ( spring ) . Of course I guess that requires the individual to realize its not all about him or her in order to be comforted by it .

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Framius Ridiculousus
May 27, 2024 12:30 am

Yes, the JWO will be so wonderful.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  'Reality' Doug
May 27, 2024 8:49 am

that would correspond to the compost-pile-rotting stage of putrefaction

k31
k31
  Administrator
May 26, 2024 2:39 pm

I spoke with a man today whose father was a WW1 vet. It sounds like he has spent his life healing from his experience with that man. The cycle of broken people trying to raise children continues through every war and calamity. That’s why I don’t think we can rely on the teaching of men, but only the Word of God.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  k31
May 26, 2024 9:07 pm

Amen

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 26, 2024 9:23 am

Fuck it. Give them a BANG and not a whimper. An old soldier recalled D Day and said ” we all knew we were dead anyway , so guys were yelling to others , COME UP HERE AND DIE WITH US !! ” and inch by inch , they advanced.

flash
flash
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 10:09 am

Come up here and sacrifice your life for Clown World lies….you’re dead anyway, so help us send more good men to hell, along with ourselves…that’s about the stupidest shit I’ve had the agony of reading in a long while…and you believe this jingoist bullshit , too, don’t you?

The massive allied invasion of Normandy in June 1944 was not necessary for the military defeat of Germany. The German Army had already been destroyed on the eastern front, and the German war industry was being devastated by the combined bombing offensive. According to Trumbull Higgins,

When the British were finally compelled by their Allies to invade France in 1944, it was an invasion essentially undertaken in the self-interest of the West, the terrible risk of the collapse of the Soviet Union having long since passed. At this date the Red Army no longer needed more than Western supplies with which to occupy eastern Europe. (4:283)

The Normandy invasion was simply too late to be of meaningful assistance to the Russians. In fact, Stalin had conceded that is was no longer necessary

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/NoOverlord/index.html

The Greatest Generation
https://www.murdoch-murdoch.net/html/mm/the-greatest-generation.html

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
May 26, 2024 10:41 am

OK , Karen.

flash
flash
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 11:11 am

Where’s the lie, Biffy?

k31
k31
  flash
May 26, 2024 2:40 pm

Well said, flash.

VOWG
VOWG
  flash
May 27, 2024 9:46 am

Many people think they can rewrite history.

VOWG
VOWG
  Anonymous
May 27, 2024 9:45 am

They died in vain when you look at the sh*t that is going on now.

Hollow man
Hollow man
May 26, 2024 10:00 am

I like it.

flash
flash
May 26, 2024 10:01 am

They call it Reformation, but in effect it was a money lender psyop which turned all humanity into debt subjugated slaves, who not only embrace their usury driven slavery as muh capitalism, but treat it as their new religion as well.

I know EvangiBoomerRaptureTardFags hate Catholics, but the Church really was the only thing standing between the people and total debt slavery. Welcome to Protestant hell.

Philip II: (1527-1598)
William Thomas Walsh

“It did not occur to the kings that if the money-lenders ever got
power enough, if they ever got from under the public-spirited
repression of the Church, they would destroy their own masters.
Kings were not generally as far-sighted as money-changers, and
much less so than priests. This is not to deny that clerics sometimes
condoned usury and profited by it, or that some kings repressed it.
Human affairs are never so simple as that. But there was a line of
cleavage: the Church on one side hostile to usury, the kings
compelled to make use of it on the other.

As the moral influence of the Church was weakened in the
political and economic spheres, in consequence of a series of
calamities for which she was not to blame—the Black Death, the
papal exile at Avignon, the Great Schism, the return of paganism
with the Renaissance—usury began to accumulate wealth and to
organize its influence. With canny insight it threw its influence, by
and large, against the power of Church and State, supporting now
one, now the other, until, by a see-saw process, it succeeded in
weakening both.

It early identified itself with the forces of heresy in religion and
liberalism in politics, until Protestantism at last gave money-lending a certificate of respectability, until a Lord Bacon could write a serious defense of it, and Harrison (in Holinshed) must chronicle the capitulation of the new Protestant England to “usury, a trade brought in by the Jews, but now perfectly practised almost by every
Christian, and so commonly that he is accompted but for a fool that
doth lend his money for nothing.”5 ”

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1889B28539B7506D637C3D5605BFD2A0

“globalism is not only the metastasis of all modern errors, it is the latest iteration of the Dream of Babel. And each and every concept and ideology that serves globalism, from democracy, equality, and free trade to transgenderism, thought policing, and usury, are rooted in the same satanic inspiration.”
Vox Day 

The Fault of the West

"hate Catholics"
"hate Catholics"
  flash
May 26, 2024 11:06 am

Why would You think that?

flash
flash
  "hate Catholics"
May 26, 2024 11:18 am

Think what…that EvangiBoomerRaptureTards hate Catholics ?
Have you not heard the incessant cacophony of Evangitards calling Catholics evil, Satanic, anti-Christians, child molesting, idol worshipers and doomed to hell…if this is love, i must be missing something?

Do you even TBP?

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
  flash
May 26, 2024 1:12 pm

I think the image problem with the Catholic Church is the Jesuit Poop…and the fact that the modern theology has elevated the veneration of Mary to the point it seems to have supplanted the worship of Christ.

mathans
mathans
  Anonymouse
May 26, 2024 7:13 pm

The word church is Gr. ekklesia. And if you really research ekklesia it in no way resembles church; or a circus.

“In spite of the attempts to prove otherwise, the word church comes from the Latin word for circle, and it is from this that we get our English word circus. So today when we see the pretentious parades and the religious extravaganzas that are put on display for all to see, we are convinced that the word circus fits it to quite a degree of exactitude. If I were any part of this great three-ring American religious circus, I would hang my head in shame. But, thank God, from all this I have been delivered and separated. I consider all of this highly successful religious activity to be little more than men putting on the “form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof,” as Paul said would characterize men in the concluding days of this dispensation of grace (2 Tim. 3:5).
Otis Q. Sellers

Anonymous
Anonymous
  mathans
May 26, 2024 8:16 pm

church-circle etymology was rejected in the 1800s

mathans
mathans
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 11:37 pm

The bigger point is that Yeshua built of Himself an ekklesia and NOT church. There is no such thing as church in the Bible. Nor are there immortal souls. The ‘Bible teaches’ there are living souls and dead souls. Hell is not a proper translation of the Heb. Sheol or Gk. Hades and God would NEVER send a man into such “eternal torment.”

You can disagree with me, but I’m just stating what the Bible says.

I was taught all of this garbage too. I changed my mind when I decided to read the Bible with my own eyes rather than trusting and accepting the creeds of religion and mere ignorant men.

k31
k31
  flash
May 26, 2024 2:44 pm

I am still shocked that Protestants do not consider Romans as Christians. Sure Rome is full of errors, but so are the Protestants. Have they not read the Apostolic epistles?

catholic 'church'?
catholic 'church'?
  flash
May 26, 2024 2:46 pm

Ez to see. Whore of Babylon.

However, Plenty of decent, misguided, congregants.

No Rapture.

flash
flash
  catholic 'church'?
May 26, 2024 3:11 pm

Don’t worship the Synagogue of Satan , demand a third temple with animal sacrifice, or preach the heresy of two gospels, either, so there’s three more strikes against them…hate ‘dem whores…..reeee

flash
flash
  catholic 'church'?
May 26, 2024 3:17 pm

Who’s more misguided, EnvangiBoomerTwoGospelThirdTempleRedHeiferBurningChurchianZionistRaptureTards or a “Congregant” of the universal church?

https://youtube.com/@scriptureandtraditionfrjm?si=NK-nKUCRcN_wNI-m

"More misguided"?
"More misguided"?
  flash
May 26, 2024 6:29 pm

Not sure, doesn’t matter, Sola Scriptura KJV

flash
flash
  "More misguided"?
May 26, 2024 7:28 pm

One of those morons, too .

Anonymous
Anonymous
  "hate Catholics"
May 26, 2024 11:21 am

He’s right, evil Catholicism protected the true church, allowed the gospel to survive along with the few elect scattered through history like cathars, huguenots, “What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.”

k31
k31
  flash
May 26, 2024 2:42 pm

The Reformation was necessary for the Church, but the piggy backers that became Protestants not so much.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  flash
May 26, 2024 4:23 pm

…and we orthodox have been here all along waiting for both the latins and the protestants to come to their senses, we’ll welcome both back.

k31
k31
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 9:47 pm

From Lutheran circles I follow, a lot of Christians are discovering the East, but not as many are converting. I think all the small o orthodox have something to offer each other, but I am happy being confessional Lutheran.

Nelod duel
Nelod duel
May 26, 2024 10:20 am

Outside in the madness,
Trees dance in the wind,
Waiting to discover what is,
After the end

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 26, 2024 10:29 am

It’s all around us. The thing that annoys me most is being around people who will not live a life. It’s just basic survival for them without any risk.

ray
ray
May 26, 2024 10:34 am

Ain’t no place for masculine men — or even masculine boys — in our Woke-Feminist nations.

New Amerika has sown the wind, and she will reap the whirlwind.

Z-La
Z-La
  ray
May 26, 2024 11:57 am

Even before “woke-feminist nations” there were problems in not properly directing alpha males in accordance with national stability. Alpha males haves to be meticulously cultivated or they go rogue. How many alpha males impregnated women and did not marry and, or provide for them and the women then had to go on government assistance? Most likely a preponderance of these men were not beta or other than alpha males. Most alphas probably comprise a majority of the drug addicts, alcoholics, and derelict husbands.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Z-La
May 26, 2024 1:01 pm

It seems you are confusing ‘alpha males’ with guys who leave behind fatherless children … 

Not even close …

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Anthony Aaron
May 27, 2024 12:34 am

The alpha archetype is by definition very rare and elite in terms of vagina tingles. The Alpha-Beta dichotomy is misused by the rubes. Female instincts are not the end-all and be-all, or we would not be able to communicate online like this.

Copacop
Copacop
May 26, 2024 11:20 am

I thought Western Rifle Shooters was gone… Thank you for the new link to it… I missed it…

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 26, 2024 11:41 am

The little at a time view is typical of anglo views on all aspects of life, however, this is never how it occurs and it is why ‘science’ forecasts are nearly always only portrayed linearly with no dynamics and why the forecasts are always wrong.

This thinking has been ingrained in humans interpretation of events as ‘gradual’.

The ‘small movements’ are always due to pressure and force. It doesn’t matter if it is in behavior of humans or if it is in natural events. Force against something already in place can only produce small movements … until it doesn’t and the whole foundation gives way.

You can look through every single change in government system, financial system, or industrial system … it is always a sudden and climatic change relative to the amount of time the slow ‘gradual’ force has been applied.

Ned
Ned
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 12:52 pm

Which snowflake causes the avalanche to finally start?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Anonymous
May 26, 2024 2:54 pm

That’s an excellent and concise analysis.

Those who are disconnected from the Natural world have no ability to understand it’s mechanics. And if one lives in a world of manifest realities, like a bureaucracy or academia, then any manifest solution seems plausible.

bjohn
bjohn
May 26, 2024 1:11 pm

TS Elliot, what a depressing and pathetic faithless man.

Such is the fate of all who turn away from their Creator, the God of the Bible.

wildhorses
wildhorses
  bjohn
May 26, 2024 6:57 pm

How was T.S. Elliott inspired to write the “The Journey of the Magi”? Matthew 12:40 delves deep into the cognizant who were, or are, unsatisfied with worldly hubris.

Ginger
Ginger
  wildhorses
May 27, 2024 7:59 am

This is why I enjoy this site. Thanks for posting as had never read it before.
Can be found here:
https://poets.org/poem/journey-magi

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
May 26, 2024 2:59 pm

Well when you put it that way of course it sounds bad………

anonomouse
anonomouse
May 26, 2024 4:18 pm

The national flat effect is spot on. I’m noticing it more every day. People are emotionally and spiritually dead. The life force is gone from their eyes. Everyone looks like nervous rabbits.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid
  anonomouse
May 26, 2024 6:23 pm

Zombies even.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  anonomouse
May 26, 2024 7:46 pm

Those aren’t the ones you need to be wary of. It’s the ones celebrating all this shit that you need to keep a very close eye on.

James
James
May 26, 2024 5:06 pm

All right folks,enuff with the end of the world nonsense,have a serious issue and could use your help(hence Get Serious cat).

I am working on the truck and doing some electrolysis on some old tools,I know,all seems well but feel I have become a “racist”.

I know,you are all saying your just doing electrolysis/doesn’t make one a racist but hear me out.

You have a piece with negative lead from battery charger that attaches to tool being derusted and the positive to a anode rod(i.e. rebar),i.e. the sacrifidial piece that over time fades away,but,useful short term.

I have taken to calling the anode rod the “diversity rod”,hence the “racism”,sigh…..,I hope I can in time be a better person but the future looks grim!

James
James
  James
May 26, 2024 5:07 pm

comment image

So diversity is our Anode?
So diversity is our Anode?
  James
May 26, 2024 6:43 pm

comment image?fit=640%2C936

James
James
  So diversity is our Anode?
May 26, 2024 8:11 pm

Yep,just a little baking soda goes a long way.

I after tool cleaned as can be rub in clean motor oil all over,wait a half hour,rub off excess and bake at 150 about a hour to “season” the tool,has really worked out well(excepting for the diversity rod that tis!).

The oil bake really seems to protect to a large degree from rust,but,I take care of me tools and only a few years,time will tell.

James
James
  James
May 26, 2024 8:18 pm

Sigh,while watching uboob vid saw a major fail,guy when had derusted enuff did not remove set screw for knurled adjuster,then you do each part electrolysis (including spring inside knurled adjuster on top side,oil individually and then assemble/bake!

anon a moos
anon a moos
  James
May 26, 2024 10:05 pm

I couldn’t tell you how many times I got smacked upside the head for putting dirty tools away… I’m a slow learner but It did sink in…

James
James
  anon a moos
May 27, 2024 12:10 pm

5 gallon bucket/sand/used motor oil,will keep your garden tools in nice shape!Store in bucket(s)till needed,of course,still have to sharpen edges occasionally/amazing how much better shovel works with sharpened edge(OK…..,and lots of coffee!).

Brewer55
Brewer55
May 26, 2024 7:23 pm

The first time I saw part of the T. S. Eliot poem was on the TV miniseries based on Stephen King’s book ‘The Stand’.

The comments made on that 4-chan post were depressing but, unfortunately quite true.