And this is yet another in an extremely LONG string of incidents illustrating two crucial facts: 1. Cops are fucking stupid and should not be trusted with firearms. 2. Glocks and any other pistols that have no manual safety are fucking stupid and should not be placed anywhere near cops (See #1).
http://rt.com/usa/indiana-police-chief-councellor-981/
Indiana police chief accidentally shoots himself for the second time
Reuters / Tami ChappellAn Indiana police chief’s day ended with a bang when he accidentally shot himself in the leg on Saturday – the second time in his career that he’s turned his own gun on his body.
David Councellor is running to become Fayette County’s new sheriff, but he chose the wrong way to make headlines when he unintentionally discharged his 40-caliber Glock handgun while perusing other firearms at a local gun shop.
A 33-year veteran of the Connersville Police Department, Councellor had taken his Glock out to compare it to another gun in the store. When he tried putting the gun back into his holster, he found himself shooting his own thigh.
“I need to pay more attention,” Counceller said to the Palladium-Item. “I know what the dangers are. It was pure carelessness on my part.”
“It got tangled in my clothing,” Counceller added to the newspaper. “I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor.”
Councellor was able to drive himself to the hospital for treatment – he suffered a flesh wound – and said he’d be back to work on Tuesday.
Although Connersville Mayor Leonard Urban called Counceller “an excellent marksman,” this isn’t the first time the police chief has shot himself. About 15 years ago, he accidentally discharged his gun into his hand.
Despite his accidents, Councellor is hoping to draw some lessons from the unfortunate situation.
“If anyone says this could never happen to them, they’re mistaken,” Counceller said. “You have to keep your guard up at all times. Some candidates are out there doing things for kids to try to get elected. Me, I shoot myself. What a way to get publicity.”
At least he took responsibility for his own stupidity. If he’d blamed someone else or the gun itself, it would have been a different matter. Still, why anyone would want him as their sheriff, if he’s that dumb…
Sigh, too bad it was between the eyes.
Cops shooting themselves? I don’t see the problem….
“…since this is the second time you’ve unintentionally shot yourself, we just take your toys away and give you a pointy stick? But somehow I think you’ll be going to the eye doctor within weeks …”
LMAO!!!
That’s funny right there.
Billy’s Bad Day At The Shooting Range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGmTrQXrwg&feature=player_detailpage
T4C, two of my engineering colleagues are young french women who aren’t much different in appearance from that chick, with the exception of the half unbuttoned shirt.
I was not aware that GLOCKS do not have a manual safety! Thanks so much for that info!
One of my cardinal rules of gun safety is the proper utilization of the manual safety….It is engaged, immediately upon touching the firearm, and, left engaged until you have “acquired the target view”, determined your back ground is “CLEAR”, and further, have determined that it is time to squeeze the trigger, THEN, and ONLY THEN, you release the safety, and squeeze. By “engaged immediately upon touching the gun” = the safety is engaged at ALL times, EXCEPT for JUST when you’re TOTALLY DETERMINED to fire the firearm…It is stored engaged, holstered engaged, and “cleared” & “loaded” engaged. The safety is there for a reason…ONLY ONE REASON…to keep you safe from EXACTLY what this dimwitted “osiffer” experienced.
I don’t care how much praise they get, I will never own a gun without a manual safety.
Cardinal rule= do not rely on the gun’s safety.
Reminds me of that dim whit dumb ass Plaxico Burress who “accidently” shot his leg and served prison time because of his actions. He had his pistol in in pants without a correct holster and the gun fell and he tried to catch it via the trigger. Now still agree that the safety free gun is asking for trouble in some cases but the bottom line is that the best safety is the brain. I know that I learned on the 1911 system and others on the Berretta da/sa system where an external safety is on until ready to fire. Glocks seem to have a popular price and use scale as they are used by may LEO and citizens. Aim and squeeze. Less to think about under stress and easier to train non gun folks to use a tool. Again easy to blame the gun but its the operator’s fault for Negligent discharge.
Manual, mechanical safeties fail.
There is only one safety for a firearm that matters. That’s the one between your ears.
If that’s non-functional, then there’s little hope for you.
What dipshit voted down my last comment?
Not angry or outraged. Just curious as to who would disagree with situational awareness and proficiency in the use of arms as inferior to some doo-dad or widget on a firearm?
Rely on mechanical safeties too much, you become complacent. When that happens, and the safety fails (as all mechanical devices do, eventually) you’ll be lucky if you get away with only shooting a hole in your foot.
I own a Glock and I have enjoyed it for going on nearly 20 years. I’ve never had an Negligent Discharge. And Glocks DO have a safety. 2, actually. First, there’s the special trigger that can’t fire unless both the trigger and the little safety lever in the center (I didn’t bother to look up the proper nomenclature) are pulled at the same time. Second, and much more importantly-YOU’RE FUCKING TRIGGER FINGER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SAFETY ON ANY GUN!!!
I’ll keep my Beretta’s and 1911’s. Even if Glock put an external safety or a decocker on their weapons, I still would prefer not to have a plastic framed pistol. Call me old fashioned if you want, but I prefer my handguns heavy and solid metal… they make better clubs that way if you run out of bullets on your way to a rifle or shotgun. Just in the past year or so, I’ve come across at least a half dozen stories of people shooting themsleves with Glocks or other DAO/Striker pistols with only that tiny little tab on the trigger acting as a “safety”. I’m not saying those are categorically bad pistols – they could be perfectly acceptable as a range gun or last ditch home defense perhaps, but for a daily carry weapon? Nope. Too many potential handling error scenarios where that little tab gets pressed. I know quite a few people also mod their Glocks to have a lighter trigger. Dumbasses… It’s more difficult to accidentally depress a factory Glock 8lb DA trigger than a 3lb (or less) custom match-type trigger. Same reason you don’t tweak a field rifle’s trigger down much below 3.5lbs – one bad drop on hard ground and you can explain to the wife why your cock & balls and half your left leg are still over there in them thar’ bushes. Superlight triggers are for match/comp guns, not everyday carry.
I’m with Billy on this one.
As for this, I disagree: “One of my cardinal rules of gun safety is the proper utilization of the manual safety….It is engaged, immediately upon touching the firearm, and, left engaged until you have “acquired the target view”, determined your back ground is “CLEAR”, and further, have determined that it is time to squeeze the trigger, THEN, and ONLY THEN, you release the safety, and squeeze.”
I love the 1911, have owned a number of them and would never feel unarmed with just that gun…BUT… it only has the thumb safety “ON” when it’s going to the holster or riding in the holster. If it is drawn, the safety is immediately flicked down to “OFF.”
Why?
Under stress, even with a high-thumb grip it might be easy to forget that tiny detail when trying to stop the other guy from sending bullets my way, or gutting me with a knife as he rushes me. The only “safe” gun handling (1911, M&P, Glock, Sig, Ruger, etc.) is Finger Off Trigger until ready to fire.
This, not a safety, not any other fancy notion, is what matters and what every bit of sense and logic suggests. If you’re talking about a slide-mounted safety, this point is doubly true. They are slow and sloppy to disengage.
As for Glocks, I love ’em.
If I had to have but ONE gun, it would be a Glock 19 or 26. They are astonishingly reliable in my experience, unbelievably durable, tolerant of total abuse, light in weight for carry and their simplicity makes them basically a “forever gun.”
Strike that. If I could have but ONE gun it would be a Glock 18. I couldn’t afford to feed it, but it surely would be a blast to run!
Bottom line: Holstering a gun is fraught with danger and should be done very deliberately and very cautiously. Except at a match, my preference is to holster a loaded gun by taking off the holster, placing the gun into it, then putting the whole setup in place. Also, if needing to disarm, my preference is to remove the entire package as a unit and store the gun IN the holster in a safe.
I may not be Mr. Gun Expert but I’ve been an enthusiast for over 30 years and have owned or shot just about everything at your local store (and a few things you won’t see there). My opinions are born of experience, not surfing the web, and reflect my preferences…you do what you want.
It’s the cop’s fault the gun went off. Why did he pull out a loaded pistol to play around in the gun shop, anyway? Either unload and show clear to handle it or leave it alone.
Don’t blame the Glock. It’s been rigorously tested and over-tested and abused to death to prove it will fire no matter what you do to it. In this case, the gun worked-the moron cop malfunctioned.
Safeties are nice, but not necessary as long as you control your weapon and your trigger finger. At least no one else was injured in this incident.
BTW DC-I used to know a gunsmith who was a WWII merchant marine vet (too young for combat), Korean war vet, Navy Seal, and a hard-fighting, hard-drinking old SOB. He owned a gunshop in my town and was a family friend growing up. He would pin the grip safety on his custom-built 1911s so it was deactivated. I guess he didn’t think he needed it getting in the way. I wish he was around to give advice now.
Gilberts – That second safety you mentioned is exactly the problem. You’ve seen our running Saturday morning series on Wal-Creatures, right? And that the majority of those people are allowed to buy a handgun? Now, this is all my opinion of course, but it seems to me that trusting the cognitive abilities of anyone and everyone 21+ without felony convictions to appreciate the fact that they represent the final safety on a deadly weapon is a little more than naive. It’s dangerous. That’s why I don’t like Glocks and the others like them – manyof the recent Taurus autos, Smith and Wesson’s M&P series that don’t have a decock/safety (some do), etc. At least the XD’s have the grip safety like a 1911 plus that little trigger tab, so theoretically at least you have to be actually holding the gun.
On the other hand, I have no desire whatsoever to try to ban Glocks and other such pistols. Like you said, there are plenty of people out there who own, operate, and enjoy these pistols for decades without a single incident. Congrats on finding a pistol that you like. It’s down to personal taste and like Billy said, the intelligence and respect of the device’s operation that makes any particular weapon safe or unsafe. What bothers me is that cops and other such costumed imbeciles go out and buy a Glock without really understanding its limitations from a general firearms safety perspective. Then they shoot their balls off while showing off or fucking around and expect people to feel sorry for them – how much would you bet that this asshole in the story gets paid leave? Fuck ’em. They’re not smart enough to responsibly own a weapon that requires that level of competency.
For all the weapons I’ve owned, shot, repaired, built, tested, carried and sold, I still prefer a revolver.
No safeties, save the one between your ears. If I were going to war, I would probably fish my 1911A1 out of the safe. But for everyday carry? Revolver.
A Colt Python or something comparable. Got a nice Anaconda in .45 Colt that I had Colt Custom build for me. I sometimes carry that. Sometimes a S&W pinned and recessed piece. Usually an N frame. I learned on a revolver when I was a kid and I guess it just stuck. No magazines to lose/drop/damage. No stupid mag cutoff to worry about. No safeties to mess with or forget. No “being picky” about ammo. No jams, stovepipes, failure to feed, failure to extract or failure to eject…
I might not have 19 rounds, like some pistols, but then, I never really needed more than one round to do the job anyways…
Dumbass with a pension.
BTW, was this person who accidentally shot himself twice a beer swilling, chicken bone throwing, face painting Nascar fan?
cue Kunstler
Booooo…..
Doppelganger, Anon, whoever you’re claiming to be… following me around and attempting to piss me off won’t work.
If you want to waste your time and effort, well, good luck with that…
Hillbilly grunts have no sense of humor. It was all that inbreeding.
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To each his own.
The “idiot quotient” is why it may be prudent to show up in body armor when at a public range.
I got swept with a loaded 22 by a 12 year old whose grandfather was too busy chit-chatting to police his guest.
All of life entails risk; none of us gets out of it alive.
Actually, this one is similar to the one I carry.
Colt Anaconda. Cal .45 Colt. 4″ barrel. Mine has several other mods and is superior to this one. This one is currently going for $4,500. I have no idea how much mine is worth. Strong as a bank vault, it’s the finest revolver I have ever carried, save the Python.
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Kind of makes a Glock anything look like the poor cousin, yeah?
Hell, I even have the local wildlife well-armed, in case those revenuers come nosing around while I am out.
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Hey dc!
Here. Get you one of these. Carry the finest wheelgun ever made.
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Only 46 years old, this one…
I carry this 9mm Baretta, recommended by our old friend Tampa Gold
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Buried deep in the Beretta catalog is a version of the PX4 Storm called the “C-Type” for “constant trigger pull.” It is considered “single action only” which is usually a label applied to cowboy revolvers and 1911 style pistols. The action of the Type-C is unique, and it may be the ultimate happy medium that many people are looking for between a revolver, an automatic, and the different trigger and safety combinations on automatics.
Billy, if I tried to stuff a 45 wheelgun into my pants everyone within 2 miles would know I was packing heat.
I thought the whole notion of CCW was the middle “C.” (grin)
@ dc
Yeah, okay… 🙂
I’m not a giant, but I’m a big guy. Over 6 feet, 235 lbs. Concealing a handgun has never really been an issue… and puny handguns tend to cause me problems. Had a nice Walther PPK once. I reworked it until it had a nice trigger, etc. Problem was, every time I fired the damn thing it would slice my hand up… I don’t much like guns that bite. Or feel like toys.
sensetti
Nice tupperware…
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Kidding bro.. 🙂
17 round clip if nothing else damn thing will make a lot of noise.
Billy, I have not doppleganged you. admin will verify the ip address, at your request.
But to ease his icy, beer laden workload, Im here, at this time, 64.183.190.92
sensetti
You use what fits you best and what you can hit with, and don’t let nobody tell you different… me included.
On a totally unrelated note, last year I was at the big gun show in Louisville. Found something pretty damn cool. An 1871 Remington Rolling Block in 50-70 Govt…. working on loads for it right now. It’s finicky, and like all prototype tech, it has issues (this was THE first center-fire cartridge rifle adopted by the US military, so it was absolutely new tech at the time. Won’t go into all the boring tech stuff, just know that building ammo for a 143 year old rifle is challenging… and fun as hell), but I’m actually thinking of building up a couple rifles on this action. I know a guy who has a great many of this action type, spare parts, wood, etc, and building a carbine version of this rifle (sort of like the Swede Engineer Carbine) or medium rifle in 50-90 would be fucking WIN!
These old charcoal burners are good fun… might want to look into them.
I like my Springfield XDM in 45 cal…three safeties,thumb,trigger and palm…if goes off “Accidentally” then you deserved the slug in your leg and you’re an idiot .
Kimber Ultra Carry II
Outside the waistband, right hand holster at 3 o’oclock
two spares on the left side
cocked and locked, condition 1 at all times
carried at all times
There’s no cure for stupid, second time he shot himself? What a dumbass! Should not be allowed to carry firearms on or off the job!