Build multi- story buildings with no steel, only rock and bricks. Moveinto said buildings. Earthquake hits, all buildings collapse, killing thousands. Huge wailing and beating of breasts. Calls go out for aid money. Rinse. Repeat.
I ain’t sending shit. That is retarded, and stupid gets what it gets.
Westcoaster
April 25, 2015 11:03 pm
I hear you, Lipoh, but lots of these people are innocent victims. You can’t blame the Women folk for any of these engineering failures of old buildings, nor can you blame innocent children.
I was thinking of sending $5 or $10, but I would avoid the RC, Doctors w/o Borders seems to be a straight outfit. I sent them a couple bucks after the Haiti quaker, Had a remote family member die in that one. His house caved in on him. He wasn’t found for about a week later.
Chicago999444
April 25, 2015 11:18 pm
I can’t be so judgmental, given that at least half the buildings in high-hazard zones here in the U.S. are built with no seismic reinforcement whatsoever. If the famous New Madrid quake of 1804, estimated to have been 8 MM in force, were to happen now, the entire St Louis area, with its 2M people and thousands of unreinforced brick houses and buildings, would be devastated, and Chicago, which is close to the Wabash fault, that communicates with the New Madrid, would be damaged greatly. Sure, we now have the skills and knowledge to build to withstand a 7.5, but we can’t begin to afford to reinforce or replace all the older, unreinforced houses and buildings that are built in soil liquefaction zones in seismically active areas- and even areas that are not known to have a seismic hazard are more vulnerable than people think. As it is, the Los Angeles area is littered with shopping malls and other commercial structures that are built of concrete slabs, in areas prone to liquefaction, a number of which looked like missiles had hit them after the Northridge quake in 1994.
The moral of the story is that nature bats last, and there isn’t any place on the planet where you are not at some risk from devastating natural disasters.
Llpoh
April 25, 2015 11:28 pm
This keeps happening over and over, and still they live in multi-story piles of rock. Nope, sorry for them individually,but I do not fund stupid. Stupid has to pay for its own mistakes.
Llpoh
April 25, 2015 11:41 pm
In Feb., a major warning went out re chance of a major earthquake. Major studies have been warning about it for several years. The proper response is not to bury one’s head in the sand.
Chicago999444
April 26, 2015 12:02 am
Well, burying our heads in the sand is what we’re doing here, because of the dismal economics of reinforcing thousands of substandard structures in places like Los Angeles, not to mention other places almost as vulnerable in the United States. A one-off like a major quake on the New Madrid that happens once every couple hundred years, or even a Loma Prieta, Whittier, or Northridge type quake that happens a lot more often in seismically active CA, is not enough to even motivate people to stop building concrete slab buildings in known liquefaction zones, or reinforce hospitals so that lifeline services don’t collapse in the event of a major event. Never mind all the brick houses and apartment buildings, or the power dams and nuclear plants in seismically sensitive areas.
Zarathustra
April 26, 2015 12:24 am
ents
Llpoh says:
Same shit every time.
Build multi- story buildings with no steel, only rock and bricks. Moveinto said buildings. Earthquake hits, all buildings collapse, killing thousands. Huge wailing and beating of breasts. Calls go out for aid money. Rinse. Repeat.
I ain’t sending shit. That is retarded, and stupid gets what it gets.
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Ironic is that when ISIS was battering heads off buildings in Hatra, Iraq, exposed were metal reinforcing bars. You may also have noticed the holes all over the stones from the coliseum in Rome. They were created by people from the middle ages digging out the metal clamps that originally held the stones together, which is probably the reason a good part of it later collapsed in an earthquake. Then there is the Parthenon in Athens, which stood intact for many centuries until it was turned into an armory by the turks that later exploded. I think we tend to underestimate the engineering abilities of the ancients. Man has probably destroyed far more of their architectural achievements than nature has.
IndenturedServant
April 26, 2015 12:28 am
Just think, sixty years ago it would be weeks or months before you heard about an event like this if you heard about it at all. Now a single event like this dominates entire news cycles for weeks.
Llpoh
April 26, 2015 12:28 am
“Nepal’s devastating earthquake was the disaster experts knew was coming.
Just a week ago, about 50 earthquake and social scientists from around the world came to Kathmandu, Nepal, to figure out how to get this poor, congested, overdeveloped, shoddily built area to prepare better for the big one, a repeat of the 1934 temblor that leveled this city. They knew they were racing the clock, but they didn’t know when what they feared would strike.
“It was sort of a nightmare waiting to happen,” said seismologist James Jackson, head of the earth sciences department at the University of Cambridge in England. “Physically and geologically what happened is exactly what we thought would happen.””
“The same size shaking can have bigger effects on different parts of the globe because of building construction and population and that’s something the U.S. Geological Survey calculates ahead of time. So the same level of severe shaking would cause 10 to 30 people to die per million residents in California, but 1,000 maybe more in Nepal, and up to 10,000 in parts of Pakistan, India, Iran and China, said USGS seismologist David Wald.”
Chicago – that refutes a bit of your point, I think.
ASIG
April 26, 2015 1:54 pm
The single biggest reason for loss of life in an earthquake is due to falling structures. The technology to build safe(r) buildings is well known. The single biggest reason buildings aren’t brought up to earthquake standards is that people are willing to gamble.
The thought process would go something like this:
I know my building would be damaged in an earthquake and possibly even destroyed but that might not even happen for 100 years. So do I want to spend an extra 10-20% of the value of the building for something that might not even happen in my lifetime?
Consider a totally different situation. What if scientist were to announce that a devastating earthquake will happen with absolute certainty in 24 months?
In that case if I know spending 10-20% of the value of the building on earthquake retrofit will save the building or if I do nothing it will likely be destroyed, I’d be a fool not to do the retrofit.
But without that kind of certainty people are willing to gamble.
And before someone makes the comment that the poor have no choice consider this, of all types of construction a building built of bamboo is probably just about the safest structure in an earthquake. And bamboo grows like a weed just about anywhere in the world and a bamboo hut can be built in no time at all.
Iska Waran
April 26, 2015 3:03 pm
I thought all these people lived in yurts. ?
SSS
April 26, 2015 4:54 pm
“I thought all these people lived in yurts.”
—-Iska Waran
Same shit every time.
Build multi- story buildings with no steel, only rock and bricks. Moveinto said buildings. Earthquake hits, all buildings collapse, killing thousands. Huge wailing and beating of breasts. Calls go out for aid money. Rinse. Repeat.
I ain’t sending shit. That is retarded, and stupid gets what it gets.
I hear you, Lipoh, but lots of these people are innocent victims. You can’t blame the Women folk for any of these engineering failures of old buildings, nor can you blame innocent children.
I was thinking of sending $5 or $10, but I would avoid the RC, Doctors w/o Borders seems to be a straight outfit. I sent them a couple bucks after the Haiti quaker, Had a remote family member die in that one. His house caved in on him. He wasn’t found for about a week later.
I can’t be so judgmental, given that at least half the buildings in high-hazard zones here in the U.S. are built with no seismic reinforcement whatsoever. If the famous New Madrid quake of 1804, estimated to have been 8 MM in force, were to happen now, the entire St Louis area, with its 2M people and thousands of unreinforced brick houses and buildings, would be devastated, and Chicago, which is close to the Wabash fault, that communicates with the New Madrid, would be damaged greatly. Sure, we now have the skills and knowledge to build to withstand a 7.5, but we can’t begin to afford to reinforce or replace all the older, unreinforced houses and buildings that are built in soil liquefaction zones in seismically active areas- and even areas that are not known to have a seismic hazard are more vulnerable than people think. As it is, the Los Angeles area is littered with shopping malls and other commercial structures that are built of concrete slabs, in areas prone to liquefaction, a number of which looked like missiles had hit them after the Northridge quake in 1994.
The moral of the story is that nature bats last, and there isn’t any place on the planet where you are not at some risk from devastating natural disasters.
This keeps happening over and over, and still they live in multi-story piles of rock. Nope, sorry for them individually,but I do not fund stupid. Stupid has to pay for its own mistakes.
In Feb., a major warning went out re chance of a major earthquake. Major studies have been warning about it for several years. The proper response is not to bury one’s head in the sand.
Well, burying our heads in the sand is what we’re doing here, because of the dismal economics of reinforcing thousands of substandard structures in places like Los Angeles, not to mention other places almost as vulnerable in the United States. A one-off like a major quake on the New Madrid that happens once every couple hundred years, or even a Loma Prieta, Whittier, or Northridge type quake that happens a lot more often in seismically active CA, is not enough to even motivate people to stop building concrete slab buildings in known liquefaction zones, or reinforce hospitals so that lifeline services don’t collapse in the event of a major event. Never mind all the brick houses and apartment buildings, or the power dams and nuclear plants in seismically sensitive areas.
ents
Llpoh says:
Same shit every time.
Build multi- story buildings with no steel, only rock and bricks. Moveinto said buildings. Earthquake hits, all buildings collapse, killing thousands. Huge wailing and beating of breasts. Calls go out for aid money. Rinse. Repeat.
I ain’t sending shit. That is retarded, and stupid gets what it gets.
__________________________________
Ironic is that when ISIS was battering heads off buildings in Hatra, Iraq, exposed were metal reinforcing bars. You may also have noticed the holes all over the stones from the coliseum in Rome. They were created by people from the middle ages digging out the metal clamps that originally held the stones together, which is probably the reason a good part of it later collapsed in an earthquake. Then there is the Parthenon in Athens, which stood intact for many centuries until it was turned into an armory by the turks that later exploded. I think we tend to underestimate the engineering abilities of the ancients. Man has probably destroyed far more of their architectural achievements than nature has.
Just think, sixty years ago it would be weeks or months before you heard about an event like this if you heard about it at all. Now a single event like this dominates entire news cycles for weeks.
“Nepal’s devastating earthquake was the disaster experts knew was coming.
Just a week ago, about 50 earthquake and social scientists from around the world came to Kathmandu, Nepal, to figure out how to get this poor, congested, overdeveloped, shoddily built area to prepare better for the big one, a repeat of the 1934 temblor that leveled this city. They knew they were racing the clock, but they didn’t know when what they feared would strike.
“It was sort of a nightmare waiting to happen,” said seismologist James Jackson, head of the earth sciences department at the University of Cambridge in England. “Physically and geologically what happened is exactly what we thought would happen.””
“The same size shaking can have bigger effects on different parts of the globe because of building construction and population and that’s something the U.S. Geological Survey calculates ahead of time. So the same level of severe shaking would cause 10 to 30 people to die per million residents in California, but 1,000 maybe more in Nepal, and up to 10,000 in parts of Pakistan, India, Iran and China, said USGS seismologist David Wald.”
Chicago – that refutes a bit of your point, I think.
The single biggest reason for loss of life in an earthquake is due to falling structures. The technology to build safe(r) buildings is well known. The single biggest reason buildings aren’t brought up to earthquake standards is that people are willing to gamble.
The thought process would go something like this:
I know my building would be damaged in an earthquake and possibly even destroyed but that might not even happen for 100 years. So do I want to spend an extra 10-20% of the value of the building for something that might not even happen in my lifetime?
Consider a totally different situation. What if scientist were to announce that a devastating earthquake will happen with absolute certainty in 24 months?
In that case if I know spending 10-20% of the value of the building on earthquake retrofit will save the building or if I do nothing it will likely be destroyed, I’d be a fool not to do the retrofit.
But without that kind of certainty people are willing to gamble.
And before someone makes the comment that the poor have no choice consider this, of all types of construction a building built of bamboo is probably just about the safest structure in an earthquake. And bamboo grows like a weed just about anywhere in the world and a bamboo hut can be built in no time at all.
I thought all these people lived in yurts. ?
“I thought all these people lived in yurts.”
—-Iska Waran
Yurts are in Mongolia, not Nepal.