The Extinction Survey

Guest Post by Dmitry Orlov

Tim White

There is a survey currently running on the Doomstead Diner, which asks people to make specific, numerical estimates about the timing of human extinction. It is inspired by the work of Guy McPherson, who has amassed much scientific evidence that points to very major climate disruption occurring over the next 2-3 decades, caused by multiple runaway positive feedback effects, such as Arctic methane release. Guy’s conclusion is that these changes will mean that the Earth will no longer provide a habitat for humans, leading to near-term human extinction. His reasoning, as far as I have been able to piece it together, rests on a supposition of time-invariance: the planet will be warmer than it has ever been in human experience; therefore, no humans will survive. This is far short of a proof.

I see two ways to provide a proof.

The first is based on proving the existence of an extinction mechanism. For example, humans don’t function well when atmospheric CO2 concentrations exceed 5000ppm, which cause dizziness, fainting spells and asphyxiation. Right now they are around 400ppm, going up by 2ppm every year. If that stays on track, this gives us 2300 years. However, there is not enough fossil fuels to keep burning at the same rate for another 2300 years. I am not aware of any straightforward bit of math that would conclusively demonstrate the impossibility of our continued existence.

The second is to make an inventory of all possible human habitats, and lifestyles to go with them, and then demonstrate that none of these habitats will be available in just a few decades. This is tricky, because it’s so easy to pass over some small niche that may remain survivable far into the future, and all it takes is one of these to narrowly avoid extinction. An examination of mitochondrial DNA showed that at one point the human population dwindled to just a handful, yet we are still around—numbering in the billions! Extermination is hard—ask any exterminator—and extinction is even harder.

Still, my personal feeling is that most of us will go extinct by this century’s end. Some will have no choice: when the Himalaya stops producing the requisite amount of snow melt to irrigate much of southeast Asia, and when the monsoon fails, that will be the end for a few billions of us. In other cases, it will be a matter of not being given a choice: many people would be able to leave death-trap cities behind and filter out into the countryside, where they could fend for themselves, but the countryside is marked “Private Property” and “No Trespassing,” and so they will stay in the cities and die. (However, there are effective, proven methods of disabusing people of the notion that “this land is their land,” and city people can be quite resourceful.) But there are many of those for whom extinction will be a matter of cultural preference. Like the Greenland Vikings, who could very well survive by emulating the Inuit rather than trying to exterminate them, many people will refuse to survive because the sort of survival that is possible will be below their high cultural standards. In the best traditions of the British navy, they will prefer to “drown like gentlemen” rather than grab a piece of flotsam, wash up on some wild shore, and quietly go native.

Back to the survey on the Doomstead Diner: Guy found it disagreeable. Here is his take on it:

I’ve not responded to the survey, nor will I, for two primary reasons:

1. Ask a stupid question, and you’re likely to receive a stupid answer. In this case, stupid responses prevail. A relevant question would focus on habitat for humans. Such a question might produce rational responses, even from academics.

2. Science does not depend upon, and is not heavily influenced by, democratic principles. Our votes have no bearing on the outcome.

To this I would add the following. Finding out people’s guesstimates on exact numbers they have no way of calculating amounts to two things:

1. a better way to “market” human extinction (creepy as hell, if you think about it); and

2. feeding the confirmation bias of a bunch of self-selected “doomers,” who can then all agree with each other about things they don’t know anything about.

But I am very interested in the topic of voluntary extinction: the idea that large groups of people, who could theoretically have a choice in the matter, will go to their doom voluntarily, because they are unwilling to relinquish various standards and expectations which are becoming maladaptive.

And so, as a first thing, I thought I’d do a survey myself, to see where my readers’ comfort level is in discussing the subject. A low comfort level would be indicative of an unwillingness to entertain thoughts of breaking cultural taboos and embracing choices that “civilized” people find distasteful. If the average score turns out to be low, then there is no reason to proceed. But if it is reasonably high, then the next step is to ask which cultural adaptations elicit the most discomfort, and which the least.

I am not interested in marketing extinction to a bunch of “doomers.” The “doomers” are doomed by definition. I am interested in proposing cultural adaptations and small-scale technologies that might prevent extinction.

And so, without further ado, here is my survey. (Note: no comments; if you want to express yourself, use the survey.)

 

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flash
flash
May 26, 2015 8:19 am

Is isn’t climate change the neurotic bedwetters should be worried about.

We are not the “peaceful” generation; we won’t just watch. We are not the “greatest” generation; we don’t need a cause. We are a different kind of generation. We are the Heroes of Lost Fucking Causes. Did you see what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did you see the carnage we spread? According to the News … we did that … because it was Tuesday. Imagine what we could do to someone we actually have a personal problem with, perhaps someone who betrayed us.

Imagine what we could do if we had a truly just cause, perhaps restoring liberty to our own homes.

DIMITRIOS KARRAS

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/the-heroes-of-lost-causes/

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
May 26, 2015 9:12 am

Yawn….Yawn……and Yawn. Climate change doom porn………whatever.

Dutchman
Dutchman
May 26, 2015 9:40 am

This is bullshit.

I can see some event – like Krakatoa – where enough particulate matter is ejected into the atmosphere, which blocks sunlight, and the effect on crop production, that maybe a billion people in the turd world countries would die. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
May 26, 2015 10:24 am

“In the best traditions of the British navy, they will prefer to “drown like gentlemen” rather than grab a piece of flotsam, wash up on some wild shore, and quietly go native.”

Because otherwise they would live, like, FOREVER, right? A lot of this would probably depend on how much life you have left and the answers would vary according to age more than anything else.

Stucky
Stucky
May 26, 2015 10:33 am

“There is a survey currently running on the Doomstead Diner, which asks people to make specific, numerical estimates about the timing of human extinction. ” ——— from the article

Doomstead Diner? RE’s site??

Yes, indeedy!!

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2015/05/25/the-human-extinction-survey-the-300/

SEVEN BILLION WILL DIE !!!!!!!!!

Stucky
Stucky
May 26, 2015 10:46 am

“Still, my personal feeling is that most of us will go extinct by this century’s end.” ——– Orlov

Hmmmm ……….. there’s 85 fucking years left until the end of this century. Pretty safe bet that most of us will be extinct by then! Fuckin hilarious!!

Thetans Anonymous
Thetans Anonymous
May 26, 2015 10:51 am

Yup, SEVEN BILLION WILL DIE!!! and then…. ANOTHER SEVEN BILLION WILL DIE!!! and a few minutes later…ANOTHER SEVEN BILLION WILL DIE!!!

Etc., etc. Just keep tossing the Thetans into the volcano and popping off those thermonukes. Xenu must be appeased.

DRUD
DRUD
May 26, 2015 11:33 am

The only thing certain is that if Humans do not get out of the Solar System within about 4 billion years, then they will go extinct. Everything else is speculation. Also, virtually all of us here will have zero worries within the next 50 or so…maybe, just maybe, we should focus on those.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
May 26, 2015 11:36 am

9. How comfortable are you with the prospect of civilized, urban humanity going extinct, being survived by widely dispersed, feral populations of hominids that eventually evolve into different hominid species?

Whoever created this survey needs to look up the word civilized. Civilized urban humanity has been extinct for some time. Feral populations of hominids? The feral variety is in the inner shitty. Get away from big shitties and life is quite civilized and decidedly NOT feral.

bb
bb
May 26, 2015 12:05 pm

Humans will never go extinct. This is just more pagan asinine nonsense.If you have any faith at all in the biblical account then humans in one form or another will be here FOREVER. The only things that will be extinct are SIN , EVIL and DEATH.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
May 26, 2015 8:34 pm

If we can’t even agree on the causes of the climate change we’re currently experiencing then how the fuck does anyone think we will survive? The Earth has cancer and it’s called Human Beings. The Earth will survive; we won’t if we don’t change our ways.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
May 26, 2015 9:40 pm

The Homo Urban Welfareis will go first from starvation while waiting on a government food wagon or be eaten by more industrious neighbors. Urban Jungles are less sustainable than deserts or glaciers.