WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

GRAND JURY TESTIMONY OF Mike McQueary:

 On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant (“graduate assistant:) who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night near the beginning of Spring Break.

     The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard  slapping sounds.He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be 10 years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.

    The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to report what he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno (“Paterno”), head football coach of Penn State. The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno’s home, where he reported what he had seen.

   Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

    Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz (“Schultz”). The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Schultz that he had witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building showers. Curley and Schultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting.

   The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that Sandusky’s keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in Grand Jury in December, 2010. The Grand Jury finds the graduate assistant’s testimony to be extremely credible.

OK. Pretend you are Joe Paterno on a Saturday morning in 2002 in your house. A 28 year assistant tells you that your best friend and right hand man for 30 years was seen having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the shower of your locker room. I think a multiple choice test will help you decide what to do:

A.    Ask Mike whether he wants some bacon and eggs with orange juice.

B.    Say that Jerry was just teaching the boy the proper technique for making an anal block on a blitzing cock.

C.    Immediately pick up the phone and call the police because a 28 year old man says he saw an absolutely horrific crime being committed against a child.

D.    Ask McQueary whether he would like to be an assistant coach some day if he would just not make any waves about this unfortunate incident.

E.   Wait until the next day to meet the Athletic Director, report that Sandusky was seen having sex with a 10 year old boy, wipe your hands of the situation, and prepare for next week’s game with Purdue. You never follow-up to see why no charges or investigation has taken place regarding the most horrific crime known to mankind, but at least Sandusky’s keys to the locker room were taken away so he’ll have to fuck little boys elsewhere.

WHICH CHOICE WOULD YOU MAKE?

 

IS IT REALLY A TOUGH CHOICE?

 

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Robmu1
Robmu1
November 9, 2011 8:56 am

F. Conclude that the 10-year old boy was asking for it and that ol’ Jerry has been a friend for years and that I might lose that linebacker from Harrisburg that can help me beat Toledo next year if this horseplay gets out into the papers.

Persnickety
Persnickety
November 9, 2011 8:56 am

I’m going to vote C, call police immediately.

But the graduate assistant should have done that as well. What’s his excuse? He was the only eyewitness, and there are no circumstances under which the conduct he saw is lawful.

Stucky
Stucky
November 9, 2011 9:09 am

F) — Promote Sandusky to Tight End coach.

card802
card802
November 9, 2011 9:09 am

With all the people that apparently knew what happened, yet not one stepped forward to do the right thing.

Speaks volumes of their character, or is the entire coaching staff at Penn State members of NAMBLA?

buckhed
buckhed
November 9, 2011 9:12 am

Option F…..Beat the living shit out of Sandusky.

My sister was raped by a pedophile when she was 7 . It was only buy her grace that my brother didn’t put him in a nursing home. When we found out I had planned to destroy every limb he had, making him a cripple for life. I wasn’t going to kill him because I wanted him to suffer just like my sister had for years…living with her guilt !!!!!!!!!

Dave
Dave
November 9, 2011 9:13 am

F. Write another “bugger” blog.

Stucky
Stucky
November 9, 2011 9:31 am

buckhed

A few years ago some in-law family member was being physical with my sister. I attacked him with fists of fury. He has permanent eye damage to his left eye. It took a half dozen guys to pull me off him. I wanted to kill him, and probably would have.

God bless you. I don’t know how you found grace to let that pedophile go. You’re a better man than I. I have no such grace. Never will.

At a minimum, every pedophile deserves life in prison without possibility of parole. I would support the death penalty. And if a family member exacted revenge, I would make the offense only a misdemeanor. Yeah, that’s right. Pedophiles are the lowest of the lowest scum sucking maggots on earth.

flash
flash
November 9, 2011 10:09 am

sick….”A 28 year assistant ” what?
Surely not a man, but a spineless bag of fecal jello.
He had to call his da da to get advice on what to do.
I would have went straight to the police and Sir Dooky would already be in prison for child rape.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 9, 2011 10:15 am

“OK. Pretend you are Joe Paterno on a Saturday morning in 2002”

Cant want to. Ever.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 9, 2011 10:36 am

…Well, the assistant never made it to my house that morning.

…I was on my way to bail him out for assault with intent to do great bodily harm to my best friend who is a monster.

TH’FK? (used to be my screensaver when I had a screensaver)

A 28 year old jock witnesses forcible sodomy of a child, becomes “distraught”, goes home “and called his father”

DISTRAUGHT??? CALLED HIS FATHER???

Pathetic

Paterno has too long been a mini-ruler of his own mini-kingdom. Rulers are a different kind of monster. They suffer from arrogance in the extreme and really don’t know they have no clothes.

“There is a greater need to extinguish arrogance than a blazing fire.” Heraclitus

Stretcher
Stretcher
November 9, 2011 11:31 am

McQueary should be dealt with severely. He is responsible for multiple child abuse incidents after the subject incident. In this sense he was truly a conspirator in Sandusky’s later acts. This is deplorable, and shows no moral fiber or intestinal fortitude. My father was PSU grad, and he will be turning over in his grave over this horrible blight on a great institution.

Buckhed
Buckhed
November 9, 2011 11:39 am

Stuck…I kept track of this scum for years via a friend how lived in the same little Southern town. This scum died in a car accident a year ago.

This is what is troubling…..this scum was my Aunt’s boyfriend at the time. My Aunt nor my Dad believed my sister when she finally told them. It wasn’t until my cousin told her mom that the same thing happened to her that she finally believed my sister .

jmarz
jmarz
November 9, 2011 11:53 am

Just reading that description of that night brings chills and anger. I’m pretty sure that if I was that assistant that night, I would have first beat the shit out of the guy so that he is unconscious and then I would have called the police to come and put him in prison. How can you witness something like that and not help that helpless child? I just don’t get it. This story is beyond sad and disgusting. Fuck Paterno and that university.

I saw on the news this morning that students were protesting in support of Paterno!!!! Unfuckingbelievable. They should be ashamed of their protests.

AWD
AWD
November 9, 2011 12:03 pm

I’m with jmarz.

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KaD
KaD
November 9, 2011 2:08 pm

In a related incident; a person working at a medical facility was fired after reporting child pornography on a patients computer to the police. How can a society be anything but terminally ill when doing the right thing is punished and doing the wrong thing, like CDS’s and short trades, is richly rewarded?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45222798/ns/us_news-life/

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
November 9, 2011 2:37 pm

Fucking disgusting.

Cane the lot of them.

Mary Malone
Mary Malone
November 9, 2011 2:39 pm

From the Second Mile Charity Website today..description of a program that Penn State players and coaches participated in “helping” at risk kids deal with difficult situations.

Question – Why did Penn State coaches and administrators who were aware of the Sandusky child molestation charges continue to actively support his charity?

They banned him from the locker room – but then facilitated and supported his evil scheme to recruit young boys – who he victimized.

Penn State community – all who knew about these charges, investigations, etc (Admin, coaches, police) should be charged with accessory to the crime. They supported his charity, the vehicle Sandusky used to attract victims.

As an aside, I took a course on how to identify child predators. We viewed a video, of real pedophiles, who talked opening on how to spot a victim, how to groom them and ways seduce them.

It was evil incarnate on display. These men are monsters – they almost always look for kids who are at-risk, without a Dad in the home. Sandusky’s charity, that targets “at-risk” kids and awards gifts, attention, etc is Pedophilia 101.

“Prevention: Nittany Lion Tips

Nittany Lion Tips are sets of sports trading cards featuring Penn State athletes who offer a positive message or word of encouragement about issues of normal development. These cards are provided to counselors and caseworkers to use in their work with elementary and middle school students. Each year, The Second Mile produces two editions of 25 cards each – the Fall Edition, featuring Penn State football team members, and the Winter Sports Edition, featuring wrestling, men’s and women’s basketball, and men’s and women’s gymnastics.

The Tips football cards were first printed in 1988. In the winter of 1989-90 we added the winter set, which included female athletes, in response to the feedback we requested from the counseling professionals using this tool. The issues that the athletes address continue to be chosen based upon this ongoing feedback. Therefore, the issues tackled by the cards are both timely and diverse. In a recent set, they included the following: dealing with divorce or the death of a loved one; what action to take if you find a gun or have a friend who is depressed or suicidal; how to set short and long-term goals; and the importance of not judging others based upon appearance, national origin, or religious affiliation.

The cards are accompanied by a Facilitator’s Guide, which includes activity sheets and behavioral contracts, as well as ideas that counselors have generated for their peers regarding different ways to use Tips. The thousands of counselors using the cards and the guide have consistently rated Nittany Lion Tips as “effective” to “very effective.”

SSS
SSS
November 9, 2011 4:51 pm

Admin said to me on another thread,

“SSS

You haven’t taken my multiple choice test on WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

We all await your words of wisdom.”

Well, after spamming your own site with Joe Paterno articles and comments, I suppose I should say something so you’ll stop badgering me. Like, “I ain’t takin’ no stinkin’ test.”

Your lynch-mob mentality is winning anyway, Admin. Paterno’s world is falling apart. His storied career will end on a sordid note. You wanted to throw him in jail. His mind is already there.

thc0655
thc0655
November 9, 2011 8:32 pm

One summer when I directed a Christian summer camp it was reported to me that one of my young staff members had fondled a little boy. I called a meeting of the other religious leaders who supported the camp and told them what I had been told and that I was going to call the police. Their jaws dropped and they turned white. They wondered out loud if there might be better ways to handle the incident than calling the police (as an LEO I am well aware that under the best of circumstances, the police and child abuse social workers are blunt instruments – but aren’t we all?). In the end, they didn’t stand in my way, and I called the police. As a result, the young man was arrested, was found to have an organic brain disorder, got therapy and medical treatment – and some jail. A second victim came forward. Both victims got treatment. Our religious organization gained respect instead of losing it. Those whom I consulted, said we had done the right thing. It was heart-breaking all around because in our religion we don’t shoot our wounded (though the “wounded” do sometimes have to go to jail).

Being on the receiving end of calls to 9-1-1, I can tell you it is quite common for people to react in unpredictable ways to witnessing or being the victim of a serious crime. Calling a friend or family member before or instead of the police is not unusual. Calling the police and then refusing to cooperate with them when they arrive is not unusual. Rape victims sometimes go home, shower and douche (to make sure all the evidence is washed away), go to sleep, and then call police in the morning (doesn’t anyone watch CSI?) And my favorite: calling the police because you have been the victim of a serious domestic violence incident then viciously attacking the police when they arrest the perpetrator (your loved one). Cops are killed every year just like that. And another oldie but goodie: being the victim of a crime and then committing a worse crime yourself on the perpetrator “in the heat of the moment”. (Example: did you hear about the pharmacist in OK who foiled an armed robbery in his store by the lawful use of his handgun, who then coldly executed one of the bad guys laying helpless on the floor from his first volley of return fire. He calmly reloaded his empty gun 2 min after the attempted robbery and shot the robber to death laying wounded on the floor. He was recently convicted of 1st degree murder.)

llpoh
llpoh
November 9, 2011 8:38 pm

My experience in making or discovering mistakes, for what it is worth, is that it is by far the best thing to raise your hand, own up to the problem, and implement a fix. I am reasonably convinced it is best in almost any field.

Using that process, if you catch a child molester, you raise your hand, call the cops, come clean to any and all stakeholders, and implement a permanent fix. There is a chance that the organization may not survive the incident, but what is the alternative? More kids get molested? That cannot be an option.

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
November 9, 2011 8:38 pm

ok, get ready to slam me. but i am going to toss out some possible defenses for mcqueary’s initial actions.

these are pure speculation, from my own imagination. because i have to ask why a 28yo jock would fail to stop a rape of a preteen boy.

maybe when he walked in on the crime, sandusky stopped. and maybe begged/pleaded mcqueary to keep it quiet. or threatened him. sandusky was one of mcqueary’s coaches when he was a player.

maybe, the crime stopped when mcqueary walked into the showers, and the kid ran away.

ok, those are weak. here is the rational, reasonable possible reason he did nothing but froze, and ran off to call his dad.

maybe mcqueary was himself a victim of rape/abuse in his childhood. that would certainly explain and excuse a failure to act.

presumably the details of what mcqueary saw and did were given at the grand jury, and they will become public later. his version, anyway.

alright, done with my fishing for a way to defend mcqueary. because now i’m gonna rip him up good.

lets forget about his conduct in the minutes and days following this rape he witnessed. or give him every benefit of every doubt. assume joepa and the other adults vigorously assurred mcqueary they would handle it, they would bring sandusky to justice, while protecting ‘the program’ and ‘the university’. and for that reason, it was vital for mcqueary to stay quiet.

but then, time passes. mcqueary continues his work as a low assistant coach. years pass. he is promoted.

and sandusky is still visibly around. still coming on campus (stop it you sick bastards). still coming to games, banquets. still seen in the company of young boys.

didn’t mcqueary ever pass sandusky in the hallway? at the practice field? around the small town of state college?

yet, mcqueary was content enough to continue his career for nine years. six years until sandusky was finally banished. he is not so disgusted with the whole situation, of his mentors and bosses failing to take any action, that he doesn’t leave? go coach at a high school and get away from this shit?

no. he stays. for nine years. he even shows up to practice today.

wtf ever happened to shame? it is a disgrace none of these people didn’t resign, at the very least after the story broke last weekend. that except for the two indicted for perjury, no one has been immediately suspended, much less summarily fired.

at least the college president, spainer, has probably been cut loose while i type out this rant.

i won’t judge mcqueary on his failure to break up a rape in the minutes following his discovery of sandusky’s crime. because i don’t know if it continued, i don’t know if he has a good reason for his inaction.

but it is easy to judge him based on his own words reporting this crime, and his action of the following nine years. but he won’t have to worry about his coaching career anymore, at psu or anywhere else.

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 9, 2011 10:11 pm

The headcoach should have gone public asap. Man, what have we come to.

Goldorack
Goldorack
November 10, 2011 7:24 am

the solution was not only to call cops, but to prevent him from getting out of the shower.

he would have enjoyed the beating of his life by the said cops.

in this kind of case, there is no talks, just teeth on the floor.

Meet The Matts
Meet The Matts
November 10, 2011 11:40 am

And the guy’s name is McQueary… Come on… But that testimony is surreal. How do not stop what you’re seeing??? You take a chair and smash it over his head. Anything. If we called our fathers, they’d ask us about how badly we beat the guy up – not to come home and chat.

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
November 10, 2011 12:47 pm

“…living with her guilt !!!!!!!!!”

buckhed,

What guilt?

Law Dog
Law Dog
November 10, 2011 2:31 pm

I am not a Penn State fan just a guy looking at the entire case as a whole and looking at everything that took place and trying to make sense of it, here are the issues I have.

McQueary should have stopped the incident right then and there. If he was afraid of physical confrontation, which is cowardice but a reality, he should have at least called the police himself right then and there. He instead called his dad who advised him to call Paterno. That tells me he was either afraid or not sure of what he saw. Everyone on this blog is saying the same thing, this his horrible and all involved need to be punished. I agree but here is the rub.

What did McQueary actually tell people he saw at the time. He was the only eye witness to the incident. He is the one that should report the crime.

Now lets get to Paterno. He is taking more heat on this issue than the sick SOB that committed the crimes. He took a report of misconduct from a member of his staff and gave it to his boss in the same way it was given to him. It was a day after the incident took place and there is no evidence left to follow up on for him. If he were to call the police and say one of my coaches raped a kid and it turns out the assistant was was lying how would that have looked for Paterno. He did turn the allegations over to his boss and was told it would be investigated.

Now the AD and VP of the University covered the incident up in my opinion. They have even been accused of lying to the grand jury. That is a problem.

Today the university fired Paterno and not McQueary. I think they got it backwards. The guy that was in the best position to tell the police what took place, what the unidentified boy looked like, and so on is viewed as the good guy. Why? For waiting nine years before finally telling a story. A story that should have included how he saved a young boy from a rape by stopping it as it was happening and justifying why he beat a naked man down. That is the biggest problem.

If McQueary would have stopped the incident right then and there he would have been a hero now he is just a spineless waste of skin that should do us all a favor, drive to Sandusky’s house and give him the ass beating he should have given him in 2002 with interest.

Bobby
Bobby
November 10, 2011 9:01 pm

I would choose B. GET real, he’s 28. He’ a pretty good size guy. Idol or mentor… I’m stopping this.Hey and I am 5ft 2. And by the way, if I called my Dad he would hav told me to go back in there and stop what was happenin… or he would kick my ass for NOT doing SOMETHING!!!!

Tiffani
Tiffani
November 15, 2011 8:07 am

I am disgusted and horrified, as a survivor of YEARS of molestation and rape, that PSU decided to cover this whole thing up rather than deliver swift justice to Sandusky. I don’t know what this says about JoePa, as to his character or moral values…I mean, YES he WAS a legendary coach for decades at that institution, but in the end, does he deserve to keep all the glory when his actions were anything BUT honorable? And same for McQueary…I agree with all of you who say he should’ve beat the hell out of the guy…my brother was 10 when he walked in and saw what was happening to me, and HE picked up something and started beating our step-dad with it to stop my pain!! He was TEN!!! This was a 28 yr old MAN that had ALL the power to make a “quick, tough decision” and in his “quick” thinking, he decided to weigh out what all the reprocussions for Sandusky and PSU would be HAD he called the cops, so his choice was to call his DAD! Unbelievable…I just PRAY that these young men who are victims will not feel too “ashamed” (as many young boys do) to come forward and make this man suffer for his deplorable actions…and for Sandusky…do us all a favor, save tax dollars, spare us the horrific testimony, spare those young men HAVING TO GIVE SUCH recount….go to that same shower room where you used your power and forcibly RAPED some young boys, destroying their lives….you go there and put a bullet in your own head!! You will spend your eternity in hell either way, so do us all a favor…redeem yourself by making that fate come sooner rather than later!!

JDC
JDC
November 16, 2011 10:06 pm

Page 12 of the Grand Jury presentment states that “PA’s mandatory reporting statute for suspected child abuse is locate at 23 Pa.C.S. Sec. 6311 . . . and provides that when a staff member reports abuse, pursuant to statute, the person in charge f the school or the institution has the responsibility and the legal obligation to report or cause such a report to be made by telephone and in writing within 48 hours to the Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.” Blaming Joe Paterno for what happened is the height of hypocrisy. He was not the head of the institution and did report what he had been told by McQueary, who later met directly with Curley (AD) and Schultz (Head of Campus Police). Joe Paterno is a sacrificial lamb offered up by PSU without justification. He is a convenient scapegoat for the Trustees, who did nothing about Sandusky, because he has name recognition which none of the other clearly culpable figures (messrs. Curley, Schultz and McQueary) have. McQueary is a coward and a fraud for not calling the police straight away for what he saw and instead calling his Dad to speak about what he should have done. Likewise, Curley and Schultz are liars and frauds for not reporting the incident and for lying about what they were told. The Grand Jury does not single out Paterno or suggest he did anything wrong. At the present, he is a highly public fall guy for the inappropriate actions of others.

llpoh
llpoh
November 16, 2011 10:30 pm

JDC – you are a total fucking idiot. Paterno walked past this fucker every day for YEARS and didn’t do a damn thing. If I caught one of my employees with a young child on MY property, or knew about it, or was told about it, I sure as hell would be following up on the situation. Scapegoat my ass you stupid douchebag. Take your Paterno is a saint bullshit somewhere else. He is a low-life motherfucker and deserves all the shit that can possibly flow his way, and may he rot in hell. I am sure all of the abused little boys are comforted by the fact that legally Paterno may skate. Morally he is a piece of shit. And Paterno apologists are just as bad in my book.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Paterno didnt say anything to protect PENN states legacy.

Sacrificial lambs dont protect their captors.

TeresaE
TeresaE
November 17, 2011 12:42 am

JDC says, “…and provides that when a staff member reports abuse, pursuant to statute, the person in charge f the school or the institution has the responsibility and the legal obligation to report or cause such a report to be made by telephone and in writing within 48 hours to the Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.” …”

Wow, did you go to public schools perchance? Or maybe an Ivy League, or Nationally treasured (Penn, UofM, Notre Dame, etc) college?

It says right there, in black and white, that the person IN CHARGE of the school or INSTITUTION has the responsibility and legal obligation.

This happened within Paterno’s INSTITUTION.

He KNEW it was a big enough issue that he pulled it away from campus and into his home on a weekend.

Paterno may, or may not, have been a “great” coach (or may have been blessed with the $$$$ to buy the best athletes the money could buy), I don’t know and can’t call it. But I surely can call that the man was “in charge” of both his program – and the property his program occupied – at the very least. Most, myself included, believe he also was in charge of the entire school. The de facto head, or “person in charge of the school.” Can’t believe that much was ever done within those ivory halls that did not meet the approval of the great JoPa. Even without a graduate degree I know I wouldn’t risk losing him, I’m sure the PTB knew that too.

People amaze me. Win a few (totally futile and incredibly reminiscent of induced distraction through gladiators & coliseums) ballgames; lie really, really well (actors); become a mogul/CEO; or politician and watch the sheeple prance and applaud and work dozens of hours for the pleasure of holding these people above our own selves. They steal our money while smiling in our faces and convincing us to like it. No love it. Well, worship it. And worship we do.

We, the consumer/debt induced/easily distracted America worship at the altar of bullshit.

Paterno is no saint, this situation just proves it.

He deserves every bit of shame raining down on his head and career.

Sorry you are too distracted by shiny screens and bullshit memes to open your eyes and become a true, contributing, loving, moral member of the human race.

Standing by and allowing a monster to destroy children, while sitting in a position of ultimate power and wealth, is the height of hypocrisy bordering on criminal. And if your quote of the section of law is accurate, it is ACTUALLY criminal.

Wonder how many of JoPa’s pre-game pep talks spoke to integrity, honor, morality, hard work and sacrifice? Half? Most? All? (I would choose the third one based on all the other talks I’ve ever sat through)

Seems to me that every person that ever believed that shit should be just as ashamed as Joe should be.

There is no more integrity, nor humanity, in this country. There is only vapid talk about concepts that ceased to have meaning long ago by people that are too apathetic to figure out what is really going on.

As to the post, What would you do?

I’d probably be doing three to five. Cause there would have been a real possibility of the pedophile POS dying in that shower.

I pray this child did not hold it in, told the right people (that were obviously scared to death of Paterno & Penn) and got help. But sadly it sounds like he was blessed with years of horror and self-loathing while feeling guilty for being assraped by an adult he trusted and wanted to respect (and earn the respect of).

JoPa can suck my ass. So can anyone else that refuses to see the world for what it is.