I once asked, “Where are all these supposed FEMA camps? No one has actually seen any.”
Maybe, maybe not. I need to re-evaluate. This is a fairly stunning admission.
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In a stunning moment of truth Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia let it slip during an appearance before University of Hawaii law school students that internment camps are a possibility in The Homeland. While this sort of pathology is commonplace among the authoritarian elite who have seized control of this once great country and while it should come as no shock to readers here an admission such as this should scare the hell out of Americans.
According to an AP story, Scalia when speaking of the World War II herding up of law-abiding Japanese American citizens and putting them into detention facilities such as Manzanar stated that:
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia told law students at the University of Hawaii law school Monday that the nation’s highest court was wrong to uphold the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II but that he wouldn’t be surprised if the court issued a similar ruling during a future conflict.
Scalia was responding to a question about the court’s 1944 decision in Korematsu v. United States, which upheld the convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu for violating an order to report to an internment camp.
“Well, of course, Korematsu was wrong. And I think we have repudiated in a later case. But you are kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again,” Scalia told students and faculty during a lunchtime question-and-answer session.
Scalia cited a Latin expression meaning “IN TIMES OF WAR, THE LAWS FALL SILENT.”
“That’s what was going on — the panic about the war and the invasion of the Pacific and whatnot. That’s what happens. It was wrong, but I would not be surprised to see it happen again, in time of war. It’s no justification but it is the reality,” he said.
Entire story here: http://carryingaflag.blogspot.com/
used to drive by what looked like an Auschwitz style camp in southern new York near Binghamton
train access and rows and stacks of those fema looking coffin box things
there is also one in buffalo ny I saw at the area of grant avenue and Amherst street
travel down Amherst st past grant towards the river and follow the bend..its on the left…look up to notice the guard tower box things
Guess it depends on how ‘they’ would care or take care of those detained. Large open spaces full of sheep…..lose a few everyday…..it happens, then every national guard and military base (many, many, not used and very shiny with new improvements) would do. Plus, there hidden right in front of us – right in plain sight.
Saw this yesterday and almost posted it; glad you did, Stucky.
Those of us on TBP know better than anyone how history repeats. To think that detention camps “can’t happen here” is to ignore not only human history, but also recent American history. We all know the rules — the Law, our very Constitution — go out the window when a crisis looms.
The only question is, who will end up being on either side of the walls of those camps?
If you think you’re the one to end up on the inside, you may want to rethink whatever it is you’re doing now. Best way to prevent it is to either get out now, or do whatever you can to prevent the rise of those who would imprison you. Remember the Hangman’s poem.
I guess Tony S forgot Ex parte Milligan ?
I don’t see where Scalia’s saying that internment camps would be legal – just that they could be allowed again, law & constitution notwithstanding.
But is he really saying they already exist?
When he tells us the location of an actual camp, then I’ll freak out.
They’re hidden in plain site, as described above. There’s one near me disguised as a university football practice field, near the stadium with ample room for field maneuvers surrounding it.
We’ll know the gig is up when they seize control of the Internet and call it free speech. That will be the sign to go underground.
“As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.” (Romans 8:36-37, ESV)
exarmyguy,
Pics?
I won’t be getting to NY anytime soon.
TIA
Most sheep will beg for the comfort of the kamp.
Maddie’s Mom,
No, he didn’t say anything exists, per se. But he did say that not only COULD it happen, but that there would be little legal recourse for the citizens detained, depending on the crisis at hand.
Keep in mind, we have several laws already in place, such as the Patriot Act, the NDAA and others that allow the government to pretty much do anything they want in “crisis” circumstances. And, like Woodrow Wilson’s Sedition Act, even Congress could pass short-term legislation permitting it. Or at least making it legal until the court system overturns it as un-Constitutional, which we all know could take years. And, even if repealed after the fact, think of the lives ruined in the process.
As for the physical detainment camps, whether or not they currently exist, there’s certainly a lot of evidence that they do. But anything can become a camp, when it comes right down to it — sports stadiums, high schools, even whole cities. All they need to do is prevent you from leaving a given area or exercising any of your other rights and freedoms.
This is why it is so important, if difficult and painful, to listen to the (odious, frankly batshit insane) Lefties.
The language they use to describe the nonLefties, the hatred, contempt, disdain these folks harbor for anybody not marching lockstep in to the Leftie tune is really stunning.
I guess they are the “Good Germans” of the modern era.
“I guess Tony S forgot Ex parte Milligan?”
—-Buckhed
Probably not. That’s a pretty famous case (hard to believe an accomplished jurist like Scalia would forget it) which occurred during the Civil War when a CIVILIAN man was tried by a military tribunal in 1864 and sentenced to death for having plotted the overthrow of the government of Indiana.
Fortunately, the execution was set to occur a month after the Civil War ended, and the case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which overturned the sentence (and the whole trial itself) because it ruled that Milligan should have been tried in a civilian court because those courts were still operating in Indiana at the time Milligan was arrested and tried. Milligan was freed and lived for another forty years or so.
I’ve got mixed feelings about Scalia’s remarks, which harkened back to the internment of over 100,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII.
First, we were at war with a foreign country that launched Pearl Harbor, a war that had been constitutionally declared by Congress. So what type of “war” is Scalia thinking about? Foreign? Civil? Both? He doesn’t say.
Second, my constitutional law professor (he was an old, retired professor from the University of Arizona’s School of Law) said that the vast majority of Americans alive today don’t realize that the American public’s HATRED of the Japanese after Pearl Harbor was nearly universal among ALL American citizens, except the Japanese-Americans of course.
Third, this hatred gave FDR all the incentive he needed to issue an executive order to throw the Japanese-Americans into internment camps. The Supreme Court was silent, which amounted to consent. Scalia was 6 years old when this happened. It is doubtful that this pervasive hatred of the Japanese made a lasting impression on Scalia at that age, but I could be wrong.
It would have been nice if Scalia had included some background other than the Korematsu case to his remarks, but he didn’t. Pity. But he did raise the red flag of vigilance, and for that he is to be commended.
“But is he (Scalia) really saying they already exist? When he tells us the location of an actual (FEMA) camp, then I’ll freak out.”
—-Maddie’s Mom
I don’t think FEMA camps exist, per se, but as a couple of people above, such as Thinker, have already pointed out, they really don’t need to actually exist.
Sports stadiums, nearly all with controlled exits/entrances, in this country can hold millions of people. Manhattan is a friggin’ island, and huge Central Park might look fairly attractive as a holding pen. Just add fences and guards. The country has plenty of prisons, city, county, state and federal. Move the prisoners out of some and pack ’em into other prisons (overcrowding standards be damned), and voila, you’ve got a fully-staffed, ready-made FEMA camp.
Even an ex-government drone and dullard like me can figure that out.
“I’ve got mixed feelings about Scalia’s remarks, which harkened back to the internment of over 100,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII. First, we were at war with a foreign country that launched Pearl Harbor, a war that had been constitutionally declared by Congress.” ———– SSS
BRAVO!!
Why stop there? Why stop at imprisoning Japanese-AMERICANS? We shoulda sent every German-American to prison as well.
The Nazi’s would turn a part of a city into internment camps. Look at Warsaw and the ghetto, nothing but a camp for the unwanted. They did that in many large cities. Would not surprise me if they used the inner city for just that purpose.
Of course, that wouldn’t have worked out too well for Ike Eisenhower.
The headline seems inaccurate. Scalia seems to be saying that it is unlawful, but that it will likely be done anyway. Seems like a honest appraisal of the situation.
Law no longer seems to be honored by our fearless leaders.
they are definitely hidden in plain sight
at least the one in buffalo is. you have to really look at it to see what it is
the one near Binghamton requires a turn off the main drag (11?maybe) to see it, but its certainly right therein plainish sight
sorry no pics, don’t live there now per buffalo, but I still travel past the other on occasion
gimme a month and a half and i’ll get something
BRAVO!!
Why stop there? Why stop at imprisoning Japanese-AMERICANS? We shoulda sent every German-American to prison as well.
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Stucky, my parents (born 1922 and 1924, father was 3rd wave on Guadalcanal) told me that as far as USA citizens were concerned, WW2 was all about Japan.
I know for FDR-the-Anglophile it was about Saving England from the Huns, and Spielberg was only the latest historiographer to misinform the public about the war, but Americans in 1942 were treated to an endless Government News wave about the Bataan Death March.
My dad had a visceral hatred of anything Japanese almost up to the time of his death in 2012.
The spasm of collective evil that put persons of Japanese decent into concentration camps emanated from the same mind-control propaganda that caused some German-Americans to be lynched during World War One.
It was also what animated Sherman to write his wife that, basically, if it was up to him he would kill every man, woman and child in the South.
1861 was the inflection point where Western Civilization began to decline in earnest. World Wars One and Two were but way-stations to where our decivilization is today.
It is horrible to imagine what will happen now, when financial and economic ruin set off another World War level conflict.
Nuclear war, anyone?
I subscribe to the theory that financial, economic and social trends rise and fall in a fractal pattern.
A dominant viewpoint within this camp is that we’re still early in a decline so large that the last iteration of it at this magnitude began in 1720 with the collapse of England’s South Sea Bubble.
That set off a 64 year bear market on the London Stock Exchange and culminated in England losing its North American colonies.
This occurred when Western Civilization was still in very good shape.
Today, the civilization of the West is in freefall due to collectivist philosophy ruling the day. Western institutions are carried by nothing more than mythology of greatness past, and symptoms of social pathology parade everywhere we look (from People of Walmart to the USA claiming that every male above a certain age is fair game in the Afpak Shooting Gallery, which is a statement of warfare for annihilation).
What happens when a society that is becoming more barbaric by the day enters a long period of financial, economic and social disaster?
Could the extermination camps of the National and International Socialists of the 1930’s to 1960’s be just the warm-up for what’s coming to North America?
We have no record of what societies are capable of when this combination of “bads” occurs. All we know is that the valley ahead promises to explore new depths of collective human depravity.