The Iraqi soldier died attempting to pull himself up over the dashboard of his truck. The flames engulfed his vehicle and incinerated his body, turning him to dusty ash and blackened bone. In a photograph taken soon afterward, the soldier’s hand reaches out of the shattered windshield, which frames his face and chest. The colors and textures of his hand and shoulders look like those of the scorched and rusted metal around him. Fire has destroyed most of his features, leaving behind a skeletal face, fixed in a final rictus. He stares without eyes.
On February 28, 1991, Kenneth Jarecke stood in front of the charred man, parked amid the carbonized bodies of his fellow soldiers, and photographed him. At one point, before he died this dramatic mid-retreat death, the soldier had had a name. He’d fought in Saddam Hussein’s army and had a rank and an assignment and a unit. He might have been devoted to the dictator who sent him to occupy Kuwait and fight the Americans. Or he might have been an unlucky young man with no prospects, recruited off the streets of Baghdad.
The Atlantic, The War Photo No One Would Publish
““These ragheads don’t threaten your way of life or our country.” ——— Admin”
Well, if they shut off the Oil taps from Iraq, followed by Saudi Arabia, our “Way of Life” is not just threatened, it is OVAH.
However, the futility of dropping Bombs on these folks to keep the Oil flowing is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. We periodically bomb the living shit out of them for the last 20 years and it’s not putting any more Oil in the ground there.
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Man! Fire is about the worst possible death I could imagine. I’ll take drowning, gunshot or a ride through a tree chipper before fire!
Don’t be harshin’ admins mellow while he’s on vacation! A little r&r is probably the only thing that keeps him from pullin’ the plug on this place.
As someone living in the “terror zone” of Indonesia for close to a decade, my experience is still limited to just this particular variety of SEA Muslims, but I am skeptical. This Muslim meme is just the new red scare, typically used in service of false flag ops and keeping idiots scared under their beds. When sectarian violence has arisen here in Indonesia — and it has in the past, and it has been bloody — the issues arise over competing claims/challenges along tribal/religious/clan/political lines, with Muslim/Christian dynamics applied as a conventional lens to view it. You may as well interpret border strife in Africa between two nations as some sort of nationalist movement, when in fact those borders were drawn so late in the game by colonial powers that they are almost worthless to the narrative. Bottom line, the storyline often cuts much deeper, like an endless Hatfield/McCoy blood feud.
I honestly expected more skepticism of packaged MSM pablum here, but I guess everyone has their favorite boogeyman. It was Stucky (correctly I think) that has come to the defense several times of the children being bombed out of existence in Afghanistan and elsewhere, but to be intellectually consistent, if people are on board with criminalizing a religion, then it probably follows that those same people should get behind bombing Muslims — all of them, regardless of age — out of existence. Perhaps add some of the *correct* scripture to the bombs and ensure those kids get to heaven.
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Vacation is over. Back to work tomorrow.
Mabuk
Thanks for some real life perspective from someone living amongst the evil Muslims.
Stuck is an expert in muslimology having lived in NJ for decades. His knowledge of all things Muslim is unquestioned.
Admin suggests I am advocating US involvement. I am advocating no such thing, and would like to see total non-involvement by the US, or any other nation for that matter, in the affairs of the middle east – fuck them all, and let them sort it out themselves.
I am simply acknowledging reality – that almost all the world’s atrocities can be laid at the feet of Muslims.
Muslims have no right of entry into the US – none whatsoever. Letting Muslims emigrate to the US will prove a mistake, in my humble opinion. It will not end well.
This is a link to a list of the world’s terrorist organizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
Notice a common thread among those groups? Of course you do. Amazing how many Christian groups there are, isn’t it?
Military Coup In Iraq: Prime Minister Maliki Refuses To Step Down; Security Forces On Alert, Encircle Presidential Palace
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/10/2014 17:53 -0400
Just days after the US launched a campaign that implicitly aides the current regime headed by the supposedly outgoing PM, al-Maliki, it appears that latest US intervention has already led to “unexpected” consequences, this time with the prime minister appearing to have just staged a coup overthrowing Iraq’s president President Fouad Massoum moments ago.
Reuters reports that the prime minister “indicated that he will not drop his bid for a third term and accused the president of violating the constitution in a tough televised speech likely to deepen political tensions as a Sunni insurgency rages. Maliki, seen as an authoritarian and sectarian leader, has defied calls by Sunnis, Kurds, some fellow Shi’ites and regional power broker Iran to step aside for a less polarising figure who can unite Iraqis against Islamic State militants.
The days of Iraq’s president appear numbered:
Bloomberg adds that Maliki says he’s going to federal court to sue President Fouad Masoum for violating the constitution, according to comments made to Iraqi state television. President Masoum in breach when he extended constitutional period for chosing a candidiate to form government and for missing deadline for new period, according to Maliki. Maliki adds that Masoum is in a “coup against the poilitical process” that would lead “Iraq into a dark tunnel.” Maliki warned Presidential council, parliament and federal court about Masoum.
The news has promptly led the WaPo Beirut chief correspondent Liz Sly to ask the question: did Baghdad just have a coup 3 days after the US conducted its fourth military intervention under as many US presidents?
Others are inclined to agree:
And according to less credible sources, the army is already in play:
Odd timing indeed. One thing is certain: the US will not let this crisis go to waste either.
However, what makes this particular development especially interesting is that a very organized ISIS is already doing its best to conquer the Iraq capital. A very disorganized army coup may be all that was needed to facilitate this goal, and to put the Iraq oil trade “in play” once again.
And the worst news of all: Obama two-week vacation on Martha’s Vineyard is ruined one day after it started.
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Update: things are not looking good:
Update 2: BAGHDAD GREEN ZONE CLOSED, TANKS DEPLOY IN CAPITAL: AL-MADA – BBG
I see the Irish Republican Army is still on the list. Aren’t they a “Christian” group?
It will not end well for any of us. We’re all dead in the end.
Don’t worry. The surveillance warfare state will monitor the 3 million Muslims and keep you safe from the thousands of terrorists who want to blow us up. See something, say something. Support SOPA and DHS and the NSA.
People are not the problem. Governments and power hungry “leaders” are the problem, whether they be Muslim, neo-con Christians, Zionists, Communists, Democrats or Republicans.
What I hear from Muslim leaders in the US is how not all Muslims are bad, and it is awful how good Muslims are tarred with the same brush as the bad terrorist types.
What bullshit.
What they should be doing is condemning this bullshit with every breath.
But no-o-o-o-o. They instead cry “poor little us is being prejudiced against.”
What a steaming pile of shit.
It looks like the US is at war in Iraq Again.
Now there is a surprise – a coup in Iraq! I am stunned, I tell you, totally stunned! Who woulda thunk it!
A coup in Iraq???!!! What on earth is the world coming to when a nice, honest, peaceful, well-run nation like Iraq has a coup??!!!
Yep – the US and other western nations have done really good work in Irag. Yep, things are going really well for the Iraqi people and their nation.
The US and every other western nation needs to RUN AWAY from that shit.
Can we please just leave the Irish out of this discussion.
Admin finds the only white Christian group on the list (a small lie – there are a couple of others) and highlights it! I knew he would!
I agree with his comments re the leaders. As always, we are not far apart – we quibble on the fine print, but agree on the paragraph headings.
I bet Al Qaida, the Taliban, and other sundry groups will never think of taking this opportunity to stir up some shit.
I mean, just because the US is embroiled with/in Russia, Ukraine, Gaza, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, et al does not mean that an opportunity exists for them to make any trouble, right?
I predict numerous fucking radical Muslim terrorist groups will take this opportunity to cause trouble.
Anyone want to give me odds on that?
Obama’is fixin to give those Iraqis a little bomb therapy all in the name of peace and stability. Ketchup Boy will ride in and help them pick a leader with a pliable personality. Nothing here people just a bump on the road to democratic bliss.
SHOCKING!!! IT’S ABOUT IRAQI OIL!!!!
Guest Post: The U.S. Airstrikes In Northern Iraq Are All About Oil
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/10/2014 21:42 -0400
Submitted by John B Judis via The New Republic,
This week, President Barack Obama announced that he was authorizing American airstrikes in Iraq. He described his intervention as a “humanitarian effort to help save thousands of Iraqi civilians who are trapped on a mountain” and as an effort “to protect our American personnel.” One word that he didn’t mention is “oil,” but it lies near the center of American motives for intervention.
The United States is conducting airdrops to aid the Yazidis who have fled the advance of Islamic State militants, but it is conducting airstrikes around Erbil, which is to the east. There are American consular personnel in Erbil, but they could be evacuated if necessary. What Obama left unsaid was that Erbil, a city of 1.5 million, is the capital of the Kurdish regional government and the administrative center of its oil industry, which accounts for about a quarter of Iraq’s oil. The Kurds claim that if they were to become an independent state, they would have the ninth-largest oil reserves in the world. And oil wells are near Erbil.
If the Islamic State were to take over Erbil, they would endanger Iraq’s oil production and, by extension, global access to oil. Prices would surge at a time when Europe, which buys oil from Iraq, has still not escaped the global recession. Oil prices have already risen in response to the Islamic State’s threat to Erbil, and on Thursday, American oil companies Chevron and Exxon Mobile began evacuating their personnel from Kurdistan. But oil traders are predicting that American intervention could halt the rise. “In essence we find U.S. air strikes more bearish than bullish for oil as the act finally draws a line for IS and reinforces both the stability in south Iraq and in Kurdistan,” Oliver Jakob, a Swiss oil analyst, told Reuters.
In portraying American intervention in Iraq as a purely humanitarian effort, Obama is following the script he read from in Libya, when he justified American intervention as an effort to prevent a massacre in Benghazi. In a March 28, 2011 address to the nation, Obama painted the American intervention as a response to “brutal repression and a looming humanitarian crisis.” Oil was not mentioned, even though Libya was the world’s sixteenth-largest oil producer in 2009 and a major supplier to Europe. But oil was most likely involved, as became clear when, after preventing a massacre in Benghazi, the United States and its coalition partners stuck around to topple the regime of Muammar Qaddafi. If the Obama administration wanted to prevent the world’s peoples from brutal dictators and repressive regimes or from takeovers by terrorist groups, there are other countries besides Libya and Iraq where it could intervene. What distinguishes these two countries is that they are major oil producers.
The United States should worry about the global oil supply. It is important for global economic and political stability. And having a significant chunk of it fall into the hands of a group like the Islamic State should certainly be a concern. But if Obama is worried about the world’s oil supply, then he should say so forthrightly and not leave himself in a position where he will be unable to justify or explain further intervention after the airdrops to the Yazidis are completed. And the administration should also have a plan for making sure that in sending out the Air Force, it will actually end a dire threat to Iraq’s oil production and put Iraq back on its feet. In Libya, the U.S. and its partners succeeded in getting rid of Muammar Qaddafi, but not in resolving the country’s humanitarian crisis or in keeping its oil flowing. Oil production has plummeted as Libya has been plunged into anarchy after Qaddafi’s fall. The challenge in Erbil and Iraq is even more daunting.
Thailand which has 76 provinces is ranked #8 on the Global Terroism Index that Sensetti posted. The majority of the violence is in the 4 southernmost provinces on the Malaysian border.
What’s the problem?
Thailand is 94.6% Buddhist. The 4 southern provinces have large Muslim populations. Narathiwat and Pattani are 88% Malay-speaking Muslim. Yala is 72% Muslim. Songkhla is “only” 25% Muslim.
You have a high concentration of Muslims in a small area of a Buddhist country. Do you really think the small minority of Muslims will ever accept being governed by the huge majority of Buddhists?
Muslim migration to Europe is starting a similar problem in some countries there.
Anyone that doesn’t believe it could happen in the USA or Canada is incredibly naive.
Leobeer – gee, where have I heard that before? But it sounds accurate to me.
Admin – thanks for reminding me about the oil. That had temporarily slipped my mind. Of course, in the end, it will be about the oil.
Aghhhh!I find myself agreeing with Stuckey.
Actually that happens a lot.
Leob, very astute assessment. Cultures Clashes, always have, always will.
There is a photo of a Japanese soldier from WW2 who was trying to exit the hatch of a tank, he got the lid up and had surfaced to almost shoulder level. His head was burned all the way down to a skull and obviously, he died screaming. More victims of The Pilgrims Society—the source of planned wars for over a century, uniting the looters of the centuries old worldwide British Empire and the old North American “robber barons” in what Cecil Rhodes conceived of as “a secret society gradually absorbing the wealth of the world” (Review of Reviews, May 1902, see pp556-558). This is the group that gave rise to the CFR, Royal Institute for International Affairs, the Rhodes Scholars, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and literally over 200 other organizations, institutions and entities, which is why the obscure article called it “the first organization.”
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“You numnuts are so fearful you think it is just fine for the US to go around the world droning, invading, shelling, bombing, and generally pissing off the entire world.” ———Admin
Yea, all the years I’ve been here …. criticizing this shithole government for its endless wars …. yeah, I’m 100% for droning, bombing, blah blah blah.
My only fucking point was 1) mooslims cause problems in virtually every fucking nation wherever they have a sizeable minority, 2) it would be better for the USA! to start considering not letting them in … which, of course, will not happen.
I said NOTHING about bombing their countries.
I should blow you? Why don’t you first go fuck yourself, you disingenuous cocksucker.
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BTW, Guardians Of The Galaxy is a FANTASTIC movie.
Stucky – I made the same point, but somewhat less colorfully. That is the Admin’s way of stirring up shit – when all else fails claim that the person says that which he has distinctly not said.
Admin is not the only one who does not fight fair around here – seems to me you did essentially the same thing to me recently, if I remember correctly. I could go find the exact quote but I am not feeling very energetic. And I vaguely recall being really mean to you once or twice with some very uncalled for (well, maybe you called for it a little bit) kicks below the belt to your tender bits. (Not that I can kick high enough to kick you above the belt).
And re your point that “mooslims cause problems in virtually every fucking nation wherever they have a sizeable minority”, seems I made that point myself when suggesting that, well, just maybe, just a tiny teensy weensy little bit, that Israel was provoked by those peace-loving mooslims that inhabit Gaza. As I remember, you kinda disagreed with me.
Make up your damn mind wiil ya?
By the way, your current position is correct.
Nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning.
Sensetti’s rules of engagement concerning all things war.
1. Don’t go to war unless you have too.
2. If you go to war you go to war with the entire country.
3. You prosecute the war in a manner that the other side will sue for peace for generations.
That’s the manner in which WW2 was won. You’ve not heard shit from Germany or the Jap O’s have you?
Fuck all this police action bullshit. Either bomb those fuckers back to the Stone Age or stay home.
Here is a photo of how those peace loving mooslims behave and train their kids:
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A seven year old kid holding up a severed head.
These radical Muslims are barbaric sub-human animals and the sooner they and their supporters are eradicated, the better.
Syrian rebels use a child to behead a prisoner
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Tough crowd
Sensetti
So I’m rooting for the kid beheading the prisoner. Right?
I get confused sometimes. The ISIS rebels in Syria are my friends and the evil ISIS Christian haters in Iraq are the enemy. Do I got it straight?
And we have provided the weapons for both sets of rebels. Is that correct?
The American Empire has nothing to do with these circumstances. Right?
At least we made Iraq safe for democracy by eliminating the evil dictator who we supported for decades.
Someone once said War is a Racket. If we ran out of enemies, we’d need to create them to keep our arms dealers making billions.
That’s funny. ISIS didn’t exist until two months ago, and now they are biggest threat to mankind since Hitler.
Keep believing this is about Muslim terrorism. The gullibility of supposedly intelligent folks is a wonder to behold.
I’ll sum it up nicely: Fuck Islam and fuck its ignorant, hateful, evil, stupid, backwards-ass believers.
I could write endlessly about my problems with this religion, but I’ll just go with this. What religion teaches people to kill nonbelievers? Even if someone is a “moderate,” how can they claim it is a peaceful religion when you read the question below?
Question: What punishment does the Quoran lay out for a Muslim who leaves the faith?
Answer: Death.
This punishment is currently exercised by individuals and nations throughout the Muslim world. Since Islam hates free will, I hate Islam.
I spent 2 and a half years over there seeing their world and it sucks. They bring that shitty world with them wherever they go. Just ask the Brits or the Eurabians about how they like the practitioners of the religion of peace and tolerance among them.
Eventually, I hope the world realizes they’re locked in a religious war with Islam and Islamaniacs around the world. It doesn’t matter how much of a guilty white liberal you are or how peaceful or non-religious you might be-they’re still locked in a religious war with you. Denying that fact doesn’t change the fact. They would gladly kill you or convert you and destroy everything they don’t like in the process. Then, they could start killing each other over the various minor stupid schisms in their own sects.
I got this emailed to me recently. I haven’t read the book, but I’ll be curious to check it out.
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Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond, a doctorate in Theology.
He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.
(Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat)
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. (as an aside, compare this with actions of other minorities in USA)
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.
The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
Gilbert
Why does he leave out countries that don’t fit his theory?
Singapore – 16% Muslim
China – 10% Muslim
Myanmar – 15% Muslim
mooslums are a plague on civilization. we must maintain arms parity in their civil wars to keep the slaughter going. Let them do the killing.
Too bad this descended into a senseless argument about religion. The free thinkers here are often open to intelligent assertions, but what about intelligent design. This is a awesome movie/book
by Simon Powell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff1Z8nGGebs
People need to think more about the glories of war, how war brings out the best in people, how war purifies society, and how war is good for the economy. Our great American presidents, Polk, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, and the Bushes knew that war would make us great and it has. No country is greater and richer than America and war has made us that way. A lot of rats and other vermin have had to be sacrificed so we Hawks can rightfully rule the world.
I saw this photo in a magazine, not a general circulation mag, it had far worse pics. One was an aerial photo of a highway from Kuwait. The story line said they were Iraqis fleeing Kuwait with loot, it showed the ultimate traffic jam, the vehicles were all shot up.
Hey! 5 Thumbs UP and ZERO Thumbs down for my post!
This is a recent record for me here. 😀
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This is the 101st comment and still no consensus. WTF Kill them all and let God…or Allah sort them out.
GilbertS says:
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Iran — Muslim 98%
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In Iran, all religions (whose prophets come before Muhammad), are protected, enjoy complete religious freedom and are guaranteed one seat in parliament. In Iran, Jews are treated better than Arabs are in Israel.I mean the citizens, not the occupied territories. If you don’t believe me I can connect you with some palestianian arab citizens of Israel who would be happy to educate you.
Splain that.
DARPA has done a great job helping soldiers survive battlefield injuries, meaning that an awful lot of our veterans are going to require expensive care for the rest of their lives. I feel bad for them when the $ runs out to take care of them.
@LeoBeer — much respect to you and recognizing that you will have deeper local knowledge, but whenever I have been to Thailand and bothered to pick up a Bangkok Post, I have seen the military suppression of those provinces by the military — in fact, they actually seemed kind of proud of themselves to be frog-marching civilians around.
I traveled through that area in 2003 — those people wear the hijab, they probably speak more Malaysian than Thai and I still have no clue how they ended up in Thailand instead of Malaysia, but there they are, and the options for dealing with it look pretty lousy other than giving it the fuck up. This is a perpetual conflict, a forever war.
Now we can label that conflict as a “religious war” by placing that in a Buddhist/Muslim context — but for me, it recalls a fight here in Indonesia between the central government and the Acehnese people in North Sumatra — only this time, both groups in this case are Muslim, so I can file that under… well, now we can label that a “separatist conflict” since it is Muslim on Muslim? When Indonesia was trying to keep its talons in East Timor, this was never labeled a religious conflict either, just another “separatist conflict” — strange, because East Timor was more Catholic than Muslim, and was strongly Portuguese in its identity, but we weren’t thinking in those terms as much as we are now post-9/11. Back in those good old days, it was considered in the Capitalist-Communist context, and boy were Nixon and Kissinger happy to have those Muslims killing off those Catholics.
@Zarathrustra — Indonesia was also painted in that list as one of those genocidal abattoirs of good Christian folk, equally incorrect on that account as well.
Repugs, dumber than a box of Democrats.
“In 2005, van Creveld made headlines when he said in an interview that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was “the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC [sic] sent his legions into Germany and lost them”, a reference to the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. His analysis included harsh criticism of the Bush Administration, comparing the war to the Vietnam war. Moreover, he said that “Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial.”
“Stucky – I made the same point, but somewhat less colorfully. That is the Admin’s way of stirring up shit – when all else fails claim that the person says that which he has distinctly not said. ……….. Make up your damn mind will ya?” ———- llpoh
Indeed, Herr Administrator is the dirtiest of fighters. Accusing someone of something they didn’t even hint of saying is akin to punching below the belt. I really let him have it though. I would have been a lot tougher on him had I not been feeling so good after seeing that really great move, Guardians Of the Galaxy.
Regarding my wishy-washy mooslim stance, it’s because I WANT to believe that mooslims are kinda just like most peoples of the world; just wanting to be left alone and provide comfort and security for their family. Then along comes a group like ISIS (and any number of other fukwads) which makes me re-realize that one must add another component to the mooslim mindset … “you MUST believe as WE do, or else!”
Islam is a shit religion that’s stuck in the 7th century. They desperately need a Reformation movement to bring them into modernity.
Christianity was also a violent religion for over a thousand years. What was the Crusade, really, if not a “… “you MUST believe as WE do, or else!” moment? It still took a couple hundred years after Martin Luther’s “95 Theses” was published in 1517 for Christianity to cease its warmongering lust. Consider that The Inquisition was not formally abolished until 1834, during the reign of Isabella II …. and burning witches even hit our continent … not to mention the Colonial conquering and subjugation of entire continents, for both Kings and Jeebus. Even if mooslims have a Reformation Moment, it still might be 100 years, minimum, before they figure out how to stop killing for Allah.
As I see it, there are 3 kinds of mooslims today;
— “radical” mooslims who read “kill the infidel” ……. and do it.
— “moderate” mooslims who read “kill the infidel” ……. and don’t actually do it, but FULLY SUPPORT it
— good mooslims who read “kill the infidel” ……. and say. “hey, that can’t be right”, and are quickly targeted for extermination
Only when the above percentages are respectively; 0%, 1%, and 99% will I consider that Islam is a “religion of peace”. Until then, they are a scourge upon all other peoples of the earth. Some day Admin will hopefully realize that.
BWAHHAHHAAHHAAA
Stuck really let me have it. Stuck actually believes ISIS materialized out of thin air as an army when no one was looking. That’s rich. Your big dog status is in jeopardy. Keep nipping at my paws.
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For the math challenged dolts on this site, there are approx 3 million Muslims out of 320 million Americans. That is approx 0.9% of the population. We add 2.5 million people per year, with approx 100k being Muslim.
At this rate, Muslims will make up 1.3% of the population in 2030. I’m shivering in my boots. Terror attacks will abound.
Let’s use Stuck logic. He says 10% of Muslims want us dead. Therefore, he believes there are 300,000 Muslim terrorists in the country right now. They have easy access to explosives and firearms and cookware. The only terrorist attacks are planned, coordinated and foiled by the FBI.
Why aren’t they blowing shit up, walking into malls with AK47s and slaughtering the infidels? Why aren’t they destroying infrastructure like dams and electric transformers?
Some ideas are so fucking stupid only idiots could believe them. It’s good to see the propaganda specialists have mastered Bernays’ teachings to convince the sheep to live in fear of phantom Muslim terrorists.
Keep cowering and fearing the evil Muslims. Your government controllers depend upon it.
I’ve accomplished exactly what I wanted to accomplish with this thread. Piss everyone off. Too many pretty pictures and kumbaya bullshit on this site lately. We need a little more Smokey attitude on this site and less happy talk.
My work here is done.
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Syria 2.0: US Starts Sending Arms To Kurdish Fighters
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/11/2014 08:33 -0400
While Einstein defined insanity as repeating the same behavior and expecting different results, it appears President Obama’s administration defines that action as US foreign policy. Just as they did in Syria (where the US ‘trained’ moderate Al Qaeda terrorists, instead of “sending troops” – ensuring no ‘boots on the ground’ blowback), AP reports that the US is sending arms to the Kurds as their new proxy mercenary force in Northern Iraq. We are sure the result will be different this time?
Until now, the U.S. had insisted on only selling arms to the Iraqi government in Baghdad, but the Kurdish peshmerga fighters had been losing ground to Islamic State militants in recent weeks. As AP reports,
The Obama administration has begun directly providing weapons to Kurdish forces who have started to make gains against Islamic militants in northern Iraq, senior U.S. officials said Monday.
The officials wouldn’t say which U.S. agency is providing the arms or what weapons are being sent, but one official said it isn’t the Pentagon. The CIA has historically done similar quiet arming operations.
The move to directly aid the Kurds underscores the level of U.S. concern about the Islamic State militants’ gains in the north, and reflects the persistent administration view that the Iraqis must take the necessary steps to solve their own security problems.
A senior State Department official would only say that the Kurds are “getting arms from various sources. They are being rearmed.”
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In recent days, the U.S. military has been helping facilitate weapons deliveries from the Iraqis to the Kurds, providing logistic assistance and transportation to the north.
Meanwhile the coup and political chaos in Baghdad leaves the US floundering in who is their man…
At the same time, the administration is watching carefully as a political crisis brews in Baghdad, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned Iraq’s embattled prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to maintain calm among the upheaval.
“We believe that the government formation process is critical in terms of sustaining the stability and calm in Iraq,” Kerry said. “And our hope is that Mr. Maliki will not stir those waters.”
Speaking in Australia on Monday, Kerry said there should be no use of force by political factions as Iraq struggles form a government. He said the people of Iraq have made clear their desire for change and that the country’s new president is acting appropriately despite claims of malfeasance by al-Maliki.
Maliki is resisting calls to step down and says he’ll file a complaint against the president for not naming him prime minister.
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Of course, none of this matters because as stocks are tellung us – everything’s fixed…
The chances of being killed by a terrorist are extremely remote. You are 8x as likely to be killed by the police here in the U.S. Yet here we are plowing billions if not trillions into security against such a threat. Or just maybe those in power view everyone as a threat?
It’s pretty telling about our “civilization” that we’d rather commit genocide for our puppet masters than change anything about our U.S. lifestyles, namely our dependence upon oil/gasoline.
“Let’s use Stuck logic. He says 10% of Muslims want us dead. …..Why aren’t they blowing shit up” ——-Admin
Yet again, you tell a half-truth. I have repeatedly said that the mooslims don’t start shit in a society until there are enough of them. They keep their shit religious beliefs to themselves here in ‘Murika only because their numbers are small.
Keep believing that American mooslims, if they gain sufficient numbers, will treat you and your family with love and kindness. Your mooslim oppressors depend upon it.
Beware of Muslim environmentalists and animal lovers.
Stuck
Stay away from bathtubs.
In 2010 (the latest report), 15 Americans were killed in terrorist attacks; nine died in 2009; 33 in 2008; 17 in 2007; 28 in 2006; and 56 in 2005. The vast majority of private U.S. citizens killed in terrorist attacks died in the war zone countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. So the sad tally of Americans killed by terrorists around the world since 2005 comes to a total of 158, yielding an annual rate 16 Americans killed by terrorists outside of the borders of the United States.
Taking these figures into account, a rough calculation suggests that in the last five years, your chances of being killed by a terrorist are about one in 20 million. This compares annual risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words, in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist.
Dying in a terrorist attack – 1 in 20 million. You should really fear Muslim Bees according to the chart of death.
Admin
Now you’re bringing bathtubs into the discussion. You’re hilarious.
Thanks for the totally irrelevant “Death In America” chart. I have said repeatedly — “mooslims don’t start shit in a society until there are enough of them”. It seems you are actually incapable of understanding that simple concept.
Stuck
You are incapable of understanding math. Muslims will make up 1.3% of our population in 2030.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
What is enough of them?
What is your magic number Stuck?
I await your brilliant cogent mathematical analysis so I will know exactly when to be scared of phantom Muslim terrorists.
You are hilarious. 🙂
We know the PR claims of ISIS, now IS. Spread and enforce strict Sharia law. Attack anywhere and everywhere.
Q: Are the photos fakes?
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2014/08/08/isis-sweeps-the-middle-east-in-a-method-reminiscent-of-genghis-khan/
This is peaceful?
How come ISIS didn’t exist 6 months ago? I thought the US spy agencies know about everything happening in the world. Not a peep about ISIS until all of a sudden they are the biggest threat to world peace since Osama. Hmm. Didn’t we create him too?
Those are just photos of Muslims killing Muslims. What do you want me to do about it? If they want to slaughter each other, it’s none of my business. Are you actually suggesting the great American Empire can use our bombs to stop these ragheads from killing each other?
I thought they hated America. Why are they killing each other?
I don’t give a flying fuck what these people do in their own countries. The United States of America should do absolutely nothing. We go $2 billion further into debt each and every fucking day. Dropping $1 million bombs on camel jockeys will just accelerate our empire collapse.
Admin says How come ISIS didn’t exist 6 months ago?
Answer is
CIA stood this ISIS Army up financed it and armed it. This new force will be used to kick Irans ass.
Sensetti
So Obama and the US government are responsible for the beheadings, crucifixions, and slaughter of women and children. Is that correct?
Success American Style – think of the billions in profits for the Military Industrial Complex