TRANSFORMATION

Hardscrabble Farmer’s transformation. We can become whoever we choose to be.

 

When I joined the Army in the last years of the Carter administration I didn’t even have my own pair of shoes. True story. i don’t remember the exact dollar figure, but the monthly take home pay was about $400. I became a paratrooper because that meant an extra $80 per month.

By the time I got out in my early 20′s I already owned my first house and a small truck I paid for cash. I started doing HUD house remodels in the worst parts of town for the worst kinds of people working longer hours than I did as an infantryman, but I kept at it. By the time I was in my late 20′s I was building multi-million dollar bus washes for SEPTA, Wawa markets in under 90 days, Ford dealerships and that kind of thing. There was no nepotism, no bankrolling rich uncle, just hard work, long hours and determination. I was also alone- no wife, no kids, no dog, no fancy car, no wild parties. Then, by accident I drifted into stand up comedy as a hobby- open mic nights, that kind of thing. Before long I was doing road gigs and after a year I was full time at clubs and colleges all over the country as they say. I lived an even more spartan existence then, living out of the trunk of my car. Every night I wasn’t given a hotel room by the venue, I camped in State parks, in empty fields, wherever I found myself. Somewhere along the way I picked up a dog, then a girlfriend who I later married and at the peak of my career our first child came along and I quit and started all over again.

Not long after 9/11 I had become a typical pillar of the community type in my hometown. I was active in my church, spent my free time with my family, participated in local politics and had a seemingly perfect life except for one thing- I knew that something was wrong.

I saw what the military did first hand in places like Granada, El Salvador and Panama, but I kept my mouth shut.

I saw what the big government agencies like HUD did with taxpayers money and who they funneled it to, but I kept my mouth shut.

I watched my country transform itself from thousands of small towns and dozens of unique regions into one size fits all corporatized McBox stores from one end of this country to the other, but I kept my mouth shut unless I was on stage and then only for the laughs.

I watched my hometown church, the one my great-great grandfather built being turned into a nanny-nanny feel good social hall where nothing that was said ever really sounded like it meant anything. No one was to be judged, nothing was sacred, everything was forgiven.

I knew my way around the Internet since I had won a Compaq laptop and a lifetime subscription to Prodigy in the first Colorado Comedy Competition in ’94 and so I started to write a series of essays about what I had kept shut up about for so long. I was honest, I wrote what I had seen and what I saw and I used my own name. The articles got around, and soon the media got wind of them and the gates of hell opened beneath me.

If you’ve never been doxed, never had your face on the front page of the newspaper, never been called a nazi and a racist, a homophobe and a misogynist by the NYT let me tell you it’s an experience. People I had known my entire life, folks who sat next to me in the pews at church, other town councilmen, neighbors, but mostly people who didn’t have the first clue about me or my life, how I lived or what I experienced couldn’t STFU about me. There were threats- of course- but worse than those were the shunnings- just like something from the 17th century. I understand the term witch hunt more than you can imagine and believe me it changed my frame.

The shock wears off. New stories come along, we were a little too sympathetic to demonize for long- I was a deacon in the church who spent most of my free time working with a group home of mentally challenged men. I was a decorated combat vet with no criminal record. I had a beautiful wife and family, had made my way in the world on my own for my entire adult life, wrote pieces that for all their politically incorrect observations about the decline of America were at their core not much different from the pieces you call fiction on this website. My great faults were that didn’t walk in lockstep on issues of race and immigration. I thought our foreign entanglements, particularly in the middle east, were a mistake- just like Washington (the man) had warned us. That Iraq was based on a lie, that 9/11 probably was too. That families can’t be “redefined”, that degeneracy was a bad thing for the long term prospects of a stable society, that corruption at the highest levels was endemic to political elites, not certain parties and that our entire economic structure was a sham.

So I left politics on the local level and quit believing it on any level. The press left me alone- since I was a private citizen and since they couldn’t find a single human being I had ever wronged regardless of race or gender orientation- and I returned to obscurity.

But I wanted out.

So we kept working, kept saving, had more children, remained loyal to each other and to those friends and neighbors who had stood beside us and we planned to make our exit from the rat race. I never wanted to be put in the position of depending upon anything else but our own hard work, good relations and basic human decency. I sure as hell wasn’t angry any longer- a good lot that had done for me- and I owed it to my wife and my family to start looking at the world that was a little less Matrix and a lot more Waltons. I researched aquaculture, permaculture, soil studies and water quality tables. I read the entire section on farming and agriculture at our local library and started composting. Our garden expanded and so did our base of knowledge. I began to accumulate old hand tools and seeds, and just as it looked like our plan to exit the rat race was at hand my mother died of cancer. It took only 11 days from diagnosis to deathbed and I watched every single minute. I have always been close to my family and they raised me in a way I hope I have raised my own children, to be honest, to do what is right, to be true to yourself and to rely on your own skills and resources rather than to beg or to live in debt. My mother loved me, no question, but she loved my children even more and when she died she left us everything she had and after we mourned we took that plus everything we had saved through a lifetime of our own efforts and bought the farm, free and clear.

So that’s the story.

It isn’t fiction and neither is anything I have written thus far. It’s my story, my hours, my days, my life in my words. I have no regrets about anything I wrote in the past, make no apologies for any friendships or associations, I owe no explanations for my choices, make no boasts of my accomplishments. I have made as many mistakes as I have wise choices, but I have learned from every single one. What we do now, every day of our lives is to make this world better for our passing through. The old gripes are gone because I know better than to rage against the dying of the light. I’ve read Spengler and I think he was optimistic. People live and die and so do civilizations and if I have learned anything as a farmer its how to spot terminal conditions in living organisms.

When we came here we left a lot behind- the town my family founded over three hundred years ago, the friendships we had built over a lifetime, the home we built ourselves. But other people give up more than that and start over with less. I have become a competent farmer because this is what I want to do with the time I have remaining even if it ends tomorrow, which it could. I have been loyal as a husband because I have a wife who has proven her loyalty to me and it has been a blessing. I am dedicated to the raising of honorable children because they will be here after I am gone and I want people to depend on them the way they depend on me. I am open to discuss anything anyone wants to talk about and to say nothing about anything they want to avoid because I know what it feels like to be made to feel unwelcome and unwanted and I wouldn’t want that for anyone. I can’t keep people who don’t know me from calling me names I don’t call myself, but that doesn’t mean I have to do the same in return. Turning the other cheek isn’t a form of self-punishment, it’s a cure.

So I will continue to comment about the few things I know when I think I can add a perspective about how I live my life. I don’t expect to inspire anyone to do anything they wouldn’t do on their own, but I do mean to encourage them to do what they want because they can. This world may be in collapse, but that doesn’t mean we can’t continue to build something while we’re here. Everyone can make a commitment to produce more than they consume, love more than they hate, live more than they work towards death.

My life is not a work of fiction.

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SSS
August 12, 2014 11:02 pm

“(My wife) has always been a real support to me, and never ever wanted to live beyond our means – she was always happy to put off gratification in order to secure a better future. A helpmate is critical in these things.”
—-Llpoh

Bingo. Doesn’t matter where you’re headed in life, it won’t work without teamwork. Oh my, did I just make a comment in support of traditional marriage and 98% of the heterosexual population of the U.S.? I hope I did.

@ everyone …… I’ve said this before. This is NOT a key to success In life, but it is a THE key to a lifelong state of sanity. Really, it is.

NEVER, EVER, LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR.

Billy
Billy
August 12, 2014 11:56 pm

Hey guys… don’t pooh-pooh RE’s last comment.

I don’t know much about RE. From what I understand, he fell into money one way or another and lives a comfortable life (if this isn’t true, please correct me). Personally, I like money. A lot. I wish I had more. But, wish in one hand…

Thing is, his last comment does have a pearl of truth in it… – “You have to develop cooperative communities in low population zones for any chance after TSHTF.”

This. Seriously.

The “Strong Man Against The World” narrative plays well in the movies and makes for a pretty good book, but in reality, you will very dead, very quickly if you try it.

I discovered a book awhile back – “A Failure Of Civility”. Everyone of us Doomers should read this book – no, it should be mandatory reading. If you don’t have a copy, then GET ONE.

http://www.afailureofcivility.com/

Folks will absolutely need to tribe up for mutual support and defense in rural areas. One farm, run the right way, can produce a fantastic amount of food and other resources. But it is not very defensible. Sorry, but as a soldier, I learned how to read the land and the fact is that one family cannot hold a large spread for very long by themselves against multiple motivated opponents. Eventually, they’ll go down. Folks will NEED to tribe up. This spreads the resource load over many people instead of just one family trying to do everything.

My neighbor across the road – his resources, that I can see, are heavy earthmoving equipment, beef cattle, chickens, eggs and water. Probably some timber. Guy that lives down the road from me and is friends with me, he runs horses. Also some goats. My next door neighbor (heh… “next door”… his house is 600 yards from mine), he invested in a milker and has working mules, some cattle, timber, water and a huge resource of deer and turkey… I have various fruits and nuts which will provide sustenance and ward off such things as scurvy and is a morale booster. (Don’t laugh. I’ve gone without fresh fruit for extended times, and when you finally get some, it is such a motivator! Really a morale booster.) When we start running sheep next year, that means milk, meat and wool. Wool equals clothing and blankets. Using my skill set, I can fashion a spinning wheel and a 6 heddle loom. I have blueprints for both and the quarter-sawn white oak already laid back for fabrication. Each of us has something to bring to the table, so the burden does not fall on any one man or family.

Milk means butter, cream, cheese, much needed calcium. Eggs are obvious. So are beef cattle. Timber can be used for structures, heating, cooking, and for defensive works (yes, I studied them as well… a Cheval de Frise is bullet transparent and, when combined with barbed wire and other defensive works, is a formidable obstacle to humans, animals and vehicles – they’re damn near impossible to climb over and you can’t hide behind them… and that’s just one thing in my repertoire).

Common defense – folks will not only rest easier knowing several other guys have their back, but there is the obvious fact that strength exists in numbers. All of us is way stronger than any one of us and showing strength just >might< deter an aggressor… and if not, then we have the numbers to defend what's ours with decisive violence…

Here. A Cheval de Frise, with barbed wire… good luck getting past that without getting shot. Combine it with earthworks (think: my buddy with the backhoe and bulldozer), string some tin cans with rocks in them amongst the wire and the Bad Guy's chances dwindle to single digits..

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Another one, of wood. Dates back to the Confederate defense of Atlanta. No barbed wire, but you can see that trying to cross that under observation would earn you a swift bullet… just because it's old does not mean it's not effective.

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Another, from the defense of Petersburg… superior to the Atlanta defensive works. Picture also shows construction techniques if you look closely..

Mr Chen
Mr Chen
August 13, 2014 12:15 am

Doesn’t matter where you’re headed in life, it won’t work without teamwork.

1985 – One of the women in class had an attitude and remarked that many divorces were caused by whorish latina women. Captain Larsen leaned over to me and suggested, tell her 100% of divorces it’s the woman’s fault. That was his view of Army wives.

Captain Larsen was hardcore, he had little patience for AF officers, he remarked to one, if you had the balls…

Mr Chen
Mr Chen
August 13, 2014 12:27 am

Anyway, I started to say, that is the thrust of El Doggy’s whole teaching in his 15 minute segment: be careful who you pick, date, marry, or divorce. Women, he says, are selfish creatures and I’m not saying all of them, 95% are worthless leaches who ought to be at home doing their part to help their husband…

He doesn’t get offensive beyond goading women with his inflated statistic but it is enough to listen and take note that even if only 5% are as he claims, if you pick the wrong one, then for you it may as well be a figure of 95%.

Is there any other country where women remain girls mentally well into their 30’s and are hoping to meet prince charmin well into their 40’s as if they don’t recall their granny was 40 when they were born. Where few know anything about home economics or homemaking. Men nowadays cook and carry kids or push a stroller, something which would drive my mom crazy if she saw me doing that.

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 12:29 am

Billy – you have just moved to head of the class – that has to be the single largest pic ever posted on TBP.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 1:13 am

“Folks will absolutely need to tribe up for mutual support and defense in rural areas. One farm, run the right way, can produce a fantastic amount of food and other resources. But it is not very defensible.”-Billy

This is the Number 1 issue for when TSHTF.

The problem in a rural area is that the community is so spread out. Each time you add somebody else’s farm to your community, you increase the size of the perimeter, and more facilities, equipment, animals etc need to be protected.

Your initial problems will be with livestock poachers, people raiding cornfields, that sort of thing. If you have say 10 people living in your farmhouse, you probably can handle some individual poachers, but not groups of 4 or more.

Depending on your neighbor to help if he is 1/2 mile down the road is pretty much a lost cause.

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The resolution to this sort of problem in the Middle Ages were central Castles with surrounding farmland. This is the type of arrangement I support building on SUN, utilizing modern building methods of Monolithic Dome Construction.

To pull off this sort of thing, you need groups of people at least 100 strong, Dunbar’s Number of 15 or so is often tossed around on the Diner as ideal. I tend to think a bit bigger is necessary in this situation, more like 500-1500.

The difficulty is assembling up such large groups to pull off a project like this. The Farm founders in TN did it back in the 70s though, so I see no fundamental reason it cannot be done again.

Mike Moskos
Mike Moskos
August 13, 2014 4:08 am

LOTS of farmers out there are looking for people to start different businesses on their land (think an egg operation on a row crop farm, etc.). No money down. Most are getting old and for them, someone to help them on days when their 60-70 year old body needs a rest is the most important thing. Lots of websites out there to match you up.

You can even put together a few empty city lots nearby to create a CSA so you can walk to work and eliminate your car. (If I were on gov. assistance, that’s exactly how I’d get ahead–use the security of that assistance to start a cash business and most food is sold in cash).

Or market for farmers who don’t want to do it: you get the items from them and sell them at farmers’ markets or buy running a food club.

Mike Moskos
Mike Moskos
August 13, 2014 4:18 am

Here’s an example of one farmer doing it (just happens to be my farmer):
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/jan2010/sb2010014_284280.htm

Quality sells–IF you can get to the right customers.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 13, 2014 6:48 am

Tim, I’m currently giving thought to the same things you are. Differences are I’m not in debt………well I am (small mortgage and a small student loan) but I have enough liquid assets to pay all that debt off tomorrow if I wanted. I prefer to remain cash rich in this environment…..for now. My wife is totally onboard and would follow me into hell if need be but she is not a go getter like myself but is willing to leave her comfort zone. I’m 48 and she is slightly older. We live on the far edge of a moderate sized city where race wars are not going to be an issue. Although statistically every other house in this country contains an FSA member, the majority of the FSA is on the opposite side of town and there is a hell of a lot of real estate between us and them. For now we have decided to tough it out here. Our house is 1000 sq. ft. and our lot is 6000 sq. ft. so we can grow food and raise a few chickens, rabbits and even a pig if we want. I was sidelined for a couple of years with a bum ankle which barely allowed me to work my regular job but that is in the past and I’m back to doing heavy yard work etc. I could support our household with my job but my wife works, makes decent money and bennies and has seniority. Both our jobs are pretty secure unless civil war breaks out and even then one or both of us is likely to remain employed.
Lately we’ve been talking about doing what you want to do except we don’t want to make a business of it or try to earn an income except enough to pay taxes/ins/etc. Self supporting would be fine. I figure I’d keep working since I have the better job and love what I do. My wife hates her job.

The tentative plan is to buy 2-10, partially wooded acres with good water within a few miles of our current location. It gets rural quick around here. That’s not much especially on the low end so the following is speculative/adaptable. I’d immediately cut trees in the central part of the land and plant back fruit and nut trees right away. I’d use the Back to Eden method HSF posted about to improve the soil everywhere on the property on a continuous basis. Instead of building a house I’d build a large, well insulated shop. I and a few friends could do most if not all of the work including concrete. I could easily park a small travel trailer inside to accommodate our living needs or even build a small house within the shop itself to provide a little more comfort. I’d have to put up a fire rock partition but that is easy enough. We lived in an 18 ft. travel trailer once for about a year and the wife is willing to do it again. It’s really no different than what the snowbirds do now. We could rent or sell our current place. If the land were on the bigger side I’d find a way to rent out or otherwise produce an income with minimal effort on my part from any land I do not need to support myself. Except for the shop and driveway, the whole thing would be producing food or meat. Deer, elk, turkey, moose and pheasant are plentiful.

For now though we intend to grow as much as we can on roughly 4000 sq. ft. at our current location and raise a few chickens for meat and eggs. It is amazing how many people in our neighborhood and the city are converting the yards, front and back, to garden space. A few years back the people petitioned the govt for zoning changes that allow the raising of farm critters within the city and that passed. They were smart enough to provide classes at the local county extension office as a prerequisite to raising animals too. I’m generally opposed to that kind of thing but I don’t want Goober or bb raising a bunch of sick animals in my neighborhood so it’s a good thing.

The point of all this is to say that you can start small and build into bigger and better things as time and funds allow. As far as your debt goes, take a second, menial job and put every penny towards paying off your debt. Do the same with all raises and bonuses. It might even go a long way toward convincing your wife how serious you are when she sees how hard you are working toward the goal. She’s bound to feel better when she sees the debt shrinking no? If she is better at the financial side of things, cede control of that to her. Garden as much as you can right where you are for now. Cut all expenses to the bone. Sell off any and all useless, underused items you have now and pay down the debt. Don’t sweat things so much. I doubt there will ever be one big SHTF moment but instead we will experience a long, slow slide to Third Worldom with a few market crashes and other “events” along the way. Simply being aware of what is coming puts you ahead of 90% of the people out there. When the next crash comes just think, you’ll already be aware of and expecting it and you’ll be able to react in a meaningful way rather that running around scared. Use current events combined with your knowledge of doom to illustrate how and why things are fucked up and not going to get better anytime soon. When she comes home from shopping complaining about inflation use it as an opportunity to explain how the FED intentionally devalues her money. I find that using current events and everyday situations to dispense doom porn wisdom is far easier for the recipient than laying 7-10 years of doom on a person at once. Go to the DHS website and show her the list of preps the govt suggests people have in place right now. Share one or two of the lighter doom porn articles you come across each week especially if it contains subject material she has an interest in. Encourage her to verify the veracity of the facts in it.

My guess is that with small does of doom and a bust ass attitude and effort on your part to rid yourself of debt, your wife will start to come around. Take her to visit places like HSF’s farm to see how nice it can be. Plant the seeds and if you really love each other they will take root and grow.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 13, 2014 7:17 am

Don’t be in too big a hurry to buy until after you have tried 8-12 different models. There are huge differences in weight, feel, comfort, trigger pull etc. When you buy some personal defense ammo, as opposed to target rounds, make sure it cycles smoothly through your gun.

Have fun!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 13, 2014 8:09 am

llpoh, I’m confused and not sure we’re on the same page. The point of establishing the trust is for the trust to own all of the assets. The trustees control the assets. The trustors can establish how the trust is controlled and who the trustees and contingent trustees are and how and when they ascend to the level of trustee.

Since the trusts retains ownership of the assets there is no inheritance unless the trust transfers ownership of trust owned assets. My wife and I no longer own anything. All property, vehicles, bank accounts and insurance policies etc are now owned by the trust. We are the sole trustees and as such we have full control of the assets including the purchase, sale or gifting of trusts assets. We have named contingent trustees and planned everything including the dissolution of the trust. An added benefit is that since we have no estate there is no probate action when one or both of us dies and there is no public release of info regarding the trust.

I don’t see why a farm could not be protected by a trust but maybe farms are excluded?

Do you have a living trust set up? I would think anyone with assets you claim to have would deem it an absolute necessity.

Darragh McCurragh
Darragh McCurragh
August 13, 2014 8:56 am

Your account had me riveted to the computer screen. Now, being through it all I stand in awe. The only thing I wonder is, always being the spoil-sport: in Europe now with the European Union -for our own good of course- regulating each and everything, won’t let you just “farm” to your heart’s delight. There was a town in Saxonia, Germany, who for centuries had been a wine-growing region (though a bit cold for a “Grand Cru” probably). This had been discontinued but there was a feeling that it belonged to the historic character of the landscape. So they set out to plant vines. However, they soon found out that you can’t just dedicate a patch to wine anymore. The dedicated wine regions are registered with the EU and if you’re not in one then you can’t sow, let alone reap. It would “distort the market”. Or what they believe a market is. So they found out that this starts at 100 and more vines. Below that, up to 99 it is “unregulated” hobby. Since 99 vines does not a landscape make they got each farmer who wanted to (and the all seem to have wanted to) to “adopt” 99 vines each. End of the story: the EU decided that this was not a hobby but a coordinated, kind of cooperative, effort. And who would want people to self-organize. Now the town has been fined 8,000 Euros for misdemeanor making their deficit a little larger and the vines had to be uprooted. To get to the point: is farming in the US still a niche where you can hide from big government? For all I’ve read elsewhere I was doubtful. Sorry, I did not want to spread more sombre thoughts, but I am curious.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 8:56 am

“After reading how prepared Hardscrabble, Thinker, Billy, Sensetti and Llpoh are for the trials and tribulations ahead, I’ve figured out my master plan. Have enough gasoline on hand for my Honda Insight to reach one of their homesteads and then beg them to let me live there. That was easy. “-JimQ

My Plan A is to get a Sunstead setup with the Diner & SUN Permaculture & Hydroponics Pros.

My Plan B is to drive my Bugout Machine into the Yukon Territory and live of my preps until they run out.

My Plan C is to Die of a Massive Coronary just after the Internet Goes Dark

My Plan D is paddle my Kayak out to Sea and see if I can make it to Tristan da Cunha

My Plan E is to get killed by a Zombie invading the cabin coming after my preps.

My Plan F is to be Gassed in a FEMA Concentration Camp.

RE

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 9:08 am

IS – the farm can go into a trust no problem. But if the trust had nut one asset – the farm – it us not divisible to the heirs. The squabbles would start immediately – who gets to use the farm, how will it be managed, how will the income be divided, etc. Large trusts with mega assets rend to have sufficient cash flow to pay distributions to the heirs. Small farms not so much. A million dollar asset with three or for heirs, and the asset locked in a trust = disaster in my opinion. Better to sell the farm and divide the assets, or there will be mighty hurt feelings somewhere.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 13, 2014 9:12 am

Yes, farms can be protected by a trust.

RE, a lot of your questions are the kind my own family hasn’t asked, i.e. personal financials aren’t something people openly discuss on blogs.

If you want to know “is your particular situation something that can be replicated by someone with little or no money and advance preparation?” the answer is clearly no. Is it possible to find some form of self sufficient lifestyle by someone who is properly motivated on a limited budget? Yes, it is. Will it be the same as what I have? No. But then again I know a guy not far from here who owns a place that makes my operation look like the Joad’s place right before they headed out for Californy. He visits maybe two weeks out of the year, has at least a dozen employees, an eight foot stone wall around most if not all of his several hundred acres and runs numerous profitable farming ventures off of it. What’s the cost? Where’d he get his money? Why would I care?

You know if you wanted to ask me questions you could have always emailed me, asked me to be on your show, etc. I listened to your interview with the 21st century version of Sylvia Plath that started this whole thread and I don’t recall you drilling him on how he is able to support his whiny, urban dwelling, latte sipping, twitter feeding lifestyle.

You know what would be interesting to people? Talking to someone who actually did what you keep talking about but still keeps a positive frame. You don’t have to be suicidal to believe in the coming collapse. To me it’s like the weather- there’s nothing I can do to change it, but it would be grossly irresponsible to ignore it. By keeping an upbeat approach, by being flexible and diversifying our production- a family farm with multiple products, based on seasonality we are able to meet our needs. We focus on the intangibles- being together as a family every day, eating better food, freeing ourselves from energy costs, doing what we love instead of what we must, making do with less and being happy about, sleeping well, being fit from labor rather than paying for a gym membership- these things are hard to quantify, but they have a benefit to us that are far more valuable than any kind of I-gadget or high priced vacation could ever provide.

Your estimate of land costs up here are way off, btw.

And you may be right about the surviveability rate for anything in the Northeast in the event of a major meltdown, but unless you know exactly how things are going to play out- and no one does- in the meantime we have adequate water year round that areas like the Southwest does not, we’ve learned how to be flexible so we can start life all over no matter what happens, we’ve developed skills that have utility in any economy and we’ve built trust and sound relationships with each other, our neighbors and our friends based on more than the superficial and transient interests of our time.

HTH

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 9:13 am

I have trusts and codicils to a will. My kids cannot access the inheritance except via stages – so much at 18, 21,25,30,and by memory.

Giving an 18 year old substantial amounts of money is a bad idea. The bulk of the estate matures at 30 and 40.

Rise Up
Rise Up
August 13, 2014 9:56 am

@RE: “Individual Farms are goners once TSHTF, they’ll be taken over by the local military/police in any populated zones, which is just about everywhere on the East Coast.”

Your prediction is just that–only a prediction and not a certainty. No one can claim to know what we face in the near/near-term future with regard to collapse. What the fuck are military and police going to do with the individual farms that they have ‘taken over’?

Your “Plan C” is likely since you won’t have web page views to gloat over.

Rise Up
Rise Up
August 13, 2014 10:42 am

My brother-in-law (only sibling to my wife) is currently looking to buy land in the 50-100 acre range. He is married with no children, has worked 2 jobs for many years, has no debt, owns a townhouse outright, and has about $1M in stocks/401k. Plus he has union pensions coming from both jobs and will retire from both before he’s 50 (although in a severe economic collapse those pensions could default). He’s a good hunter and he and his wife have started going to farm animal auctions to get a feel of what they cost.

If my wife and I don’t check out of Dodge to another country, we may try to team up with him and buy a portion of his land to homestead on. He’d probably welcome the assistance, even though I’m over 60, but so far in good health and have carpentry and other “get-er-done” skills.

I’m in the process of downsizing and selling off some assets (classic car, a condo I rent, etc.). The wife so far has been amiable to living a more frugal lifestyle, but it’s been a long conversion over lots of cups of coffee. As many here have said, you really need your partner to be on board and supportive.

Billy
Billy
August 13, 2014 12:31 pm

Llpoh,

It wasn’t my intention to post some gawd-awful humungous picture… I just looked up “cheval de frise” and copypasted the address lines of good examples… it’s not like I pasted them from my computer…

I do, however, wish that said humungous picture was removed by the Admin, if he has time…

Admin coming to my digs and begging to stay when Ragnarök hits? 🙂

Yeah, sure.. why the hell not? Can you or the missus cook? You’ll also get a crash course in how to be competent with a rifle of military usefulness and how to run equipment like a shovel, a hoe, a rake and shit like that… 🙂 Might even let you run the tractor if you promise to go get it when you sink it in the pond by accident…

Billy
Billy
August 13, 2014 12:43 pm

Hey Rise…

If your bro is serious about livestock, tell him to check out the annual NAILE show in Louisville, Kentucky. No worries, it’s way over on the east side of town in the convention center and far from the natives…

Folks come from all over the country for that show. They got EVERYTHING you need on display to outfit a nice farm for whatever you happen to want to accomplish…

Next one is the 2014 show in November… we’re going.

Naile

Billy
Billy
August 13, 2014 1:18 pm

Admin,

Heh.. 🙂

Just had a mental image of you wading into the pond with a snorkel and a long rope to recover the tractor after you sunk it…. it’s every bit of 15 feet deep…

No worries. Thanks for ditching that huge picture…

Crum
Crum
August 13, 2014 1:37 pm

I went to Jump School in ’79, Hardscrabble, maybe we were in the same class. Do you remember a young, skinny guy who always looked like he was ready to wet himself or pass out? That was me.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
August 13, 2014 2:06 pm

Billy,
Reminds me of when my little brother got one of the mower tractors (Gravely) stuck in the stream that went through my brother’s blueberry farm. My other brother proceeded to get the 1964 International Cub stuck trying to pull it out. A neighbor pulled them out with his Kabota. You’ve got to love the all wheel drive tractors, especially when the fields get muddy. It was my first experience with the Kabota’s. about 1978. Nice small to mid size tractors, lots of fun attachments. They may not be a must have, but they are sure a nice to have on the farm.
Bob.

Sensetti
Sensetti
August 13, 2014 2:12 pm

Admin you don’t want to throw in with Llpoh he’d work your ass like a Hebrew slave, daylight till dark. Remember sensetti has a copper still. Alcohol fueled debauchery will ease the transition away from the comforts of modern life.

Thinker
Thinker
August 13, 2014 2:22 pm

I’m feeling the need to up the ante… here I was going to say we just needed someone to sit and keep the books for us, no manual labor expected. But that sounds pretty lame compared to Billy and Sensetti’s offers.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 13, 2014 2:46 pm

Admin, the offer is still on the table for you and your wife to come up for a visit and see what it’s all about. My wife wasn’t exactly thrilled about the idea of going Galt, but she’s come to love it and what we do.

I always hear people talk about work like it’s a bad thing. Work is an awesome way to pass the hours of our lives, especially when it produces a profusion of good things. And there’s times like right now when the rain is coming down so hard there’s nothing to do but read and relax in the comfort of your own home with the sound of your children playing in another room.

If there’s a downside I promise I’ll let you know, but for now I can’t think of one.

Rise Up
Rise Up
August 13, 2014 2:50 pm

@Billy, thanks for the tip on the livestock expo…I’ll pass it along to my wife’s brother.

Thinker
Thinker
August 13, 2014 3:14 pm

Likewise, the offer to come spend a week at the orchard in NE Indiana — only 600-some miles from Philly. And there’s plenty of fat-burning, muscle-building work to do. Even several local wineries/breweries for that little hobby of yours. Or you can start up your own hard cider business. 🙂

As for 4T scenarios, I’m thinking it’s time to start thinking about 1T business ventures that will make a fortune…

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 13, 2014 3:18 pm

I want to come to the party, too! I have excellent supervisory skills. 🙂

Sensetti
Sensetti
August 13, 2014 3:37 pm

No Rehab

Billy
Billy
August 13, 2014 4:03 pm

Hey now! I wouldn’t TORTURE you… but I will say that around here, if you don’t get picked on, razzed, trolled… then we don’t like you. I know it sounds weird, but verbal abuse = affection. Worst thing that could happen is if we ignored you.

Sensetti,

I’ve been known to pull a cork now and again. Some good bourbon and the rocking chair on the porch after dinner… the wife makes a kick-ass venison sauerbraten.

All this is hypothetical , but about your hypothetical rig… a pot still? You running a thump keg before the worm? What are you using in your mash? And curious if you cobbled it together yourself or had someone build it for you…

Just don’t make sugar likker… never liked that. If you distilled it down far enough, I might run my tractor on it or degrease engine parts, but it don’t make for good sippin whiskey…

Billy
Billy
August 13, 2014 4:11 pm

Because I was out running an errand and heard this, I thought you all might want in on it…

Enjoy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fyY-TxGEwE

flash
flash
August 13, 2014 4:11 pm

Remember sensetti has a copper still. Alcohol fueled debauchery.

I’m in…Seriously, I have one more year is Shitsville,( due to my wife’s retirement and if the good lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise to hit the fan .) and thanks to Sensetti Arkansas is top of my list….anywhere the Star and Bars flies freely.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 13, 2014 5:18 pm

admin said:
“Llpoh would argue with me all day long about how he was right about OWS and probably dock my pay if I overslept by 2 minutes.”

LOL! He thinks he’s gonna get paid at llpoh’s place!

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 5:27 pm

“You know if you wanted to ask me questions you could have always emailed me, asked me to be on your show, etc.”- HF

OK, you’re invited for a Cafe chat. 🙂

Lemme see if I can get Randy in on the chat also.

I’ll be in touch.

RE

Sensetti
Sensetti
August 13, 2014 5:27 pm

Flash, Arkansas a great state. For how long I don’t know.

Sensetti
Sensetti
August 13, 2014 5:35 pm

IS says LOL! He thinks he’s gonna get paid at llpoh’s place!

Lol
Llpoh would calculate and charge Admin for the amount of oxygen he consumed in a days time.

I can just hear him say “you ain’t gonna breathe my air for free boy”

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
August 13, 2014 5:48 pm

LOL Sensetti. There’s also a fee for reparations for the Trail of Tears. Gonna be plenty of free blankets though.

Sensetti
Sensetti
August 13, 2014 6:05 pm

Damn Indians anyway. All the Indians I know are professional drunks. But hell, it could just be the bars I frequent. I like Indian jewelry, I buy rings and put them back, not the gaudy stuff. Single stone turquoise made from the best silversmiths. I have a few I am very proud to own. I had an Indian girl friend one time, pretty little thing, but had the biggest …. Oh wait I’ll save that story for another day.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 6:59 pm

Billy, I’m putting together a Farming Show with HF for the Cafe.

Email me if you want to join the party. 😀

RE

Milw05
Milw05
August 13, 2014 7:41 pm

My dad grew up on a farm, 6 kids in the family all left the farm. My wife’s mother grew up on a farm, 8 kids all left the farm. As a kid I worked on the farm in the summer. Good work for a kid, but not for a lifetime.

We seem to be in this moment of romance the farm. From the left and right. A back to the earth movement. I don’t know the details of HSF. If I inherited a fortune, I won’t mind being a gentleman farmer either, but taking it up as a professional at age 50 and children. No way in hell. Compete with massive factory farms with economy of scale. My wife and I have worked to hard to fall for romance of subsistence farming.

Best of luck to anyone with the backbone to give it a try. It is a noble thing. I’ll wait to things really go to hell before I give it a shot.

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Admin – before you make your final decision as to which doomstead to hightail it to, you might want to consider:

1) I am flush with real scotch and Bushmill’s, not that rotgut Sensetti is offering, that will make you go blind.
2) I am set up to homebrew
3) Your personal digs would be as follows at my place:

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4) Women must ALL dress like this on my personal rez:

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So, if I were you, I know what I would be doing.

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 8:01 pm

Sensetti says: “All the Indians I know are professional drunks”

Similar to my experience with southerners! All southerners I know are toothless, inbred, hillbilly hicks.

Guess we both need to get around a bit more!

OP2008
OP2008
August 13, 2014 8:32 pm

@Thinker – Hello sir… by any chance do you have peach or blueberry harvest to speak of? My folks usually travel to SW Michigan for a wagonload of peaches in Aug/ Sept. (bringing back bushels for friends around the Kenosha/ Racine, WI area), but won’t make the trip this year due to the Spring freeze wrecking the orchard that they’ve gone to for 20+ years. If not, any recommendations to your West would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 8:45 pm

Doing some research now for the Vidcast with HF.

RE

http://grist.org/article/whats-at-stake-in-the-2007-farm-bill/

On the art and brutal economics of small-scale farming

By Tom Philpott

Since moving to the North Carolina mountains in 2004 to launch a farm project, I’ve learned some sobering lessons about idyllic rural life.

To wit, small-scale organic farming is an art form — and as with most artistic endeavors, the hours are long and the pay is crap. How did I wind up penniless and exhausted, sporting a beat-up pair of Carhartts? You’d think I had set up shop as an abstract painter in some squalid, ruinously priced Williamsburg, Brooklyn, garret.

(There’s much to love about the farming life, too: for example, the volunteer broccoli raab that’s sprouting up everywhere in one part of the garden, a triumph of unintentional permaculture. Saute it with a little olive oil, garlic, crushed chile, and vinegar, and you remember why you came to the farm in the first place.)

The USDA’s Economic Research Service recently released two reports on the state of farm economics. The information contained therein can help greens as they formulate an agenda for the 2007 Farm Bill (which may be even more important than defending biofuel and hybrids from critics.)

The first one, Economic Well-Being of Farm Households (PDF), should be handed out at farmers markets and in CSA boxes everywhere. It’s only four pages; here are some highlights:

Commercial mega-farms — those with at least $250,000 in annual sales — represent just 7 percent of U.S. farms but command about 70 percent of total farm sales.
Those large farms are profitable (although, as we’ll see below, they lean heavily on commodity subsidies). But “the other 93 percent of farm households have negative farm operating profits, on average, and draw most of their income from off-farm sources.” In other words, Earth to Philpott: Get a job.
The smaller the farm, the less profitable it is: “farm operating margins become more negative and share of household income from farm sources decreases as farm size diminishes.”
Here’s the kicker: 85 percent of U.S. farms generate income of less than $100,000/year. These farms generate just “15 percent of [total U.S. farm] sales, and earn negligible income from farming.” (Emphasis added.) Ouch!
And here’s why I say that farming has become a labor of love, complete with requiring a “day job” for support: “Off-farm sources of income (including employment earnings, other business activities, other investments, and transfer payments) provided 85-95 percent of household income over 1999-2003, up from around 50 percent in 1960.” That’s a macro number, including even the mega-farms that draw hundreds of grand per year in subsidies.

The other report, “Growing Farm Size and the Distribution of Farm Payments” (PDF), offers its own shockers. To wit:

Farms with sales of between $10,000 and $99,000 — where my own Maverick Farms falls — have an operating profit margin of (gulp) negative 24.5 percent.
Not surprisingly, young people aren’t going in to small-scale farming — probably because they can’t afford to. “Over 30 percent of operators in the $10,000-$99,999 sales class were at least 65 years old by 2003, versus 13 percent of the operators of very large family farms.” When these old operators retire, think their kids will want to continue a business that brings in a quarter less than every dollar spent?
Government commodity payments — the Farm Bill’s meat — increasingly support large farms rather than small ones: “Farms with less than $250,000 in production value (2003$) received 63 percent of commodity payments in 1989; by 2003, they received 43 percent of payments. But farms with at least $500,000 of production received 32 percent of all commodity payments in 2003, up from 13 percent in 1989.”

Note that the study’s data set ends in 2003, thus not really accounting for the 2002 Farm Bill, signed into law by Bush, which has been churning out cash to big farms like a cow pumped full of Monsanto’s growth hormones.

What, then, are the implications for greens of the 2007 Farm Bill?

If we accept the premise that small-scale organic ag, geared to a nearby market, is more environmentally responsible than Big Ag, then it’s time to redirect federal farm policy. As things stand now, farm policy works toward bolstering the power of the large chemical-intensive farmers and their customers — grain-buying giants like Archer Daniels Midland.

There’s no reason the Farm Bill couldn’t be reformulated to support small-scale ag, though. I’ll be laying out ideas for how that can happen here and in other publications over the coming months.

Tom Philpott was previously Grist’s food writer. He now writes for Mother Jones.

Reverse Engineer
Reverse Engineer
August 13, 2014 8:54 pm

Here’s some data for Working Horse farms:

http://smallfarmersjournal.com/the-cost-of-working-horses/

RE

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 9:06 pm

One other bonus – my weiner doesn’t work anymore, so you’d automatically be top dog, as it were. Hey ya ya ya ya

Hardscrabble Farmer – don’t throw your pearls before swine.

Check on the mic, checka mic mic checka – I’m out.

llpoh
llpoh
August 13, 2014 9:12 pm

RE – trying to carry a farm mortgage while making a living as a farmer would indeed be difficult, and a great many would fail in the attempt. There are many reasons, but one many might not think about would be the many regs that would cover food production. It would be a minefield.

However, setting up a farm so as to be self-sufficient is certainly do-able. A few farm animals and a place to grow food is something many folks can aspire to – even a few acres could accomplish that goal.

As for me – I, as mentioned, fall into the “gentleman farmer” category. I have no intention of trying to sell anything.

I will raise a few head of cattle, some chickens, etc., when I am done traveling. These I can probably barter for a few things with neighbors, but that is an aside benefit.

I will set up my growing areas, and my water system, in the coming months. I will be planting a lot of fruit trees. I will have independent energy – not because it makes financial sense (it sure as hell does not), but because I can. I am looking into stocking a couple of ponds with fish.

This can be done on the “cheap” and over time by those that so desire. A modest home can be self-built. Water supplies can be self-installed. Chickens can free-range and will produce eggs and meat (learning how to process them will be an experience for the uninitiated). Solar can be added on in stages, and if energy requirements are well-managed then electricity costs can fall to next to nothing. Crops can be raised by hand if need be – but things like fruit trees and such can be started with relatively little effort, and them maintained by yearly pruning.

Running a small farm for profit is for the brave. But that does not mean that folks cannot aspire to a much less hectic lifestyle, which can be accomplished by a great many folks with planning and patience.

Thinker
Thinker
August 13, 2014 9:16 pm

RE, you must not have been around when HSF admitted he’d taken a “vow of poverty” to live the life he now has, but hasn’t regretted one minute of it. I’ve repeated that phrase to a few people who think farming is all quaint, bucolic utopia. It’s a lot of hard work for very little payoff, but people still choose to do it because it’s a great lifestyle. Gen Xers, in particular, are giving up the rat race and heading for farms. You can’t fault someone for choosing quality of life over riches. And for people who realize they’ll “never get rich working for the man” it sure as hell beats a J.O.B. (just over broke).