Here are two points of view regarding Adrian Peterson whipping his four year old son with a tree branch. I was hit by my parents as a child if I did something I wasn’t supposed to do. I was spanked and hit with a belt a couple times. After that, the threat of the belt was good enough to make me fall into line. The nuns in Catholic school would also hit kids with a ruler. None of this left psychological scars. I usually deserved it.
But, Adrian Peterson went too far. I was hit with a belt when I was 10 years old, not when I was 4 years old. The pictures of the cuts and bruises on his son’s body are proof that his form of punishment was sadistic and cruel. He clearly has anger issues that stem from his own childhood, when he was probably abused. Charles Barkley says it’s a cultural thing in the South. He’s wrong. Hitting a four year old so hard that you break the skin is going too far. Boomer is right. Peterson deserves a severe penalty. Maybe Goodell will make him sit out for a half a game.
Adrian Peterson Indicted For Child Abuse, Turns Himself In
MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – A warrant was issued Friday for the arrest of Vikings running back Adrian Peterson after a grand jury in Texas indicted him for reckless or negligent injury to a child.
Peterson traveled to Texas and turned himself in early Saturday morning. He was booked into the Montgomery County Jail at about 1:15 a.m. CST, according to the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office.
He posted a $15,000 bond and left jail about 30 minutes later.
Peterson will not play in Sunday’s game at TCF Bank Stadium against the New England Patriots. On Friday afternoon, the Vikings said Peterson had been deactivated. That’s different from a suspension, as Peterson will be still be paid as officials investigate.
Sports Radio 610 in Houston obtained a draft of the police report which says Peterson admitted that he did, in his words, “whoop” one of his children last May while the child was visiting him at his home near Houston.
The punishment happened after Peterson’s son pushed another of Peterson’s children off of a motorbike video game, the report says.
During a Skype session with his mom back in Minnesota, the 4-year-old boy asked if he could tell her something. According to the report, Peterson said, “Go ahead and tell her and show her what happened.”
The boy said he got a whooping with a switch — a wooden rod or tree branch used for punishment.
When the boy returned to his mother in Eden Prairie, Minn., she took him to a doctor.
The doctor told investigators that the boy had a number of lacerations on his thighs, along with bruise-like marks on his lower back and buttocks and cuts on his hand.
The police report says the doctor described some of the marks as open wounds and termed it “child abuse.” Another examiner agreed, calling the cuts “extensive.”
The report also states the four year-old had been hit with a belt, and that Peterson put leaves in the boy’s mouth while he was being hit with the switch with his pants down. The child told his mother Peterson likes belts and switches and has a whooping room, according to the report.
Photographs obtained from the Houston police report show pictures of the injuries.
Another picture shows Peterson demonstrating the kind of switch he used.
The police report also includes text messages between Peterson and the boy’s mother. First he texted to her: “You will be mad at me about his leg.” Later, he texted: “He got about five more pops than normal. He didn’t drop one tear! … He’s tough as nails.”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
When investigators questioned Peterson, they say he told them he regarded it as a normal spanking and not excessive. He told investigators, “To be honest with you, I feel very confident with my actions because I know my intent,” and when asked if he would reconsider using switches in the future, said he would never “eliminate whooping my kids … because I know how being spanked has helped me in my life.”
A grand jury seated earlier this summer decided not to charge Peterson.
Montgomery County Prosecutor Phil Grant said in a press conference Saturday afternoon that after seeing photos of the injuries, the grand jury thought Peterson went beyond “reasonable discipline.”
“Obviously parents are entitled to discipline their child as they see fit except for when that discipline exceeds what the community would say is reasonable,” he said.
Grant also said whoever leaked the photos and documents will face punishment.
“In the State of Texas, investigations of child abuse are confidential under the Texas Family Code,” Grant said. “It’s inappropriate, it shouldn’t have happened, and we’re going to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to find out who did it.”
Grant added that the case is in its preliminary stages, and it will likely be several months until its ready for trial — which might not be until next year.
On Friday, Peterson told WCCO-TV’s Mike Max that he didn’t think he’d face another indictment. The day’s developments caught him by surprise.
If Peterson is convicted, he could face up to two years in county jail. His next court appearance date has not been announced.
Peterson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, issued this statement Friday afternoon:
“This indictment follows Adrian’s full cooperation with authorities who have been looking into this matter. Adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son. He used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced growing up in east Texas. Adrian has never hidden from what happened. He has cooperated fully with authorities and voluntarily testified before the grand jury for several hours. Adrian will address the charges with the same respect and responsiveness he has brought to this inquiry from its beginning. It is important to remember that Adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury.”
The NFL recently unveiled a domestic-violence policy, which stipulates a six-game suspension for a first offense but allows for steeper penalties if children are involved.
The indictment against Peterson comes on the heels of another story involving an NFL running back and serious allegations.
On Monday, the league indefinitely suspended Ravens running back Ray Rice after video was published showing the player punching his soon-to-be wife and knocking her out cold.
“He’s afraid of you.”
Way to parent, mush brain.
That was excessive. The kid is too young. I have been switched – the marks I remember are similar to those. They are pretty superficial, and I do not think there was risk of serious injury. You do not soon forget a good switching to the back of the legs.
I used a 4″ switch on my kid once. Had to hold it by two fingers it was so short. Still stung him. He went screaming to mom. Mom came out all fired up – til I showed her the switch. Then she gave him another swat for being such a crybaby.
But I would not convict him over that. No way no how. At least he seems to be trying to teach right from wrong, and he was not going to cause serious injury. Unlike some assholes. Seems to me he just did not know better, but he was trying. Not successfully, but this is one instance I give points for trying.
He will learn a valuable lesson here,and will not repeat the mistake. At least I think so.
But two years in prison? Yep, that will really help his kids and family. Not.
I could not fire or suspend an employee for this stuff, nor for what Rice did. I am undecided if athletes should be held to different standards. I can think of no other field where employees can be punished in these ways. I know it is an issue of marketing, but wtf? First a guy loses a team because he is racist ( since when is that illegal), Ferry comes under fire for discussing racial demographics vis a vis revenue/profit/season ticket holders, etc.
Political correctness sucks, in my opinion.
Admin – why should he be deprived of his livelihood if he has been convicted of no crime whatsoever? Same goes for that piece of shit Rice. I can vote my displeasure with my pocketbook if I am incensed.
“Obviously parents are entitled to discipline their child as they see fit except for when that discipline exceeds what the community would say is reasonable,” he said.
That’s some scary shit. Communities are not the source nor reference point for morality.
Adrian Peterson will receive harsher penalties than Jon Corzine the NSA chief that lied to Congress while spying on congress = a country with no rule of law.
Correction: Jon Corzine & the NSA chief…
Llpoh
You sound confused. First you say it was excessive, then you say it is OK. Which is it?
What do you mean by the word excessive? Child abuse or not? The kid is 4 years old. The text from Peterson makes it clear he regularly does this.
Child abuse is a crime. He has been charged. You can’t fire an employee who is charged with a crime?
Have you been drinking too much Guiness? Post when you can be coherent.
Nope – innocent til proven guilty.
Where did I say it was ok?
You really must be drinking. Here are your words below. Do you remember typing them? Those words say it is OK.
“They are pretty superficial, and I do not think there was risk of serious injury. You do not soon forget a good switching to the back of the legs. At least he seems to be trying to teach right from wrong, and he was not going to cause serious injury.”
Just short of a crime. A crime generally needs intent. Guess you did not learn that in accounting school. I do not see the intent.
If I’m speeding and run over a kid, my intent wasn’t to kill the kid. Is it still a crime?
Geez, you Ivy Leaguers are thick.
Maybe AP just needs a good caning himself.
I’ve no objection to switching, but not on a kid that young. And certainly not with such a loss of self-control. Physical punishment should sting, be an attention-getter, but not be injurious.
“Communities are not the source nor reference point for morality.” – F_I
I call bullshit. Communities absolutely ARE the source for morality. Shame has very much to do with this, and public shaming used to be a very effective deterrent against unwanted behavior. Communities would say “Up to this line, and no further”. Those who crossed that line would be shunned and become persona non grata, their lives and reputations ruined.
Plus, communities collectively came up with laws that define what is right and wrong – the formal limits that people in the community can go up to, but not cross – and if you knew anything about English Common Law (try reading Blackstone), you’d know where our laws came from. If this is not “morality” on a collective scale, then what is?
Only since the disgusting 60’s and the moral relativism that was pushed, have we thought that a community isn’t the source, or even a reference point, for morals. The members of a community were usually Christians, and that morality was reflected in law.
The rise of the hedonists and the poison they pushed is evident in your squishy remarks, F_I….
As far as the article and Llpoh’s comments,
I got whupped by a switch and a belt when I was young. I had no idea what marks were left, since I couldn’t – and still can’t – twist my head around and look at my own ass. However, it hurt like hell and I wouldn’t classify it as “child abuse”.
Plus, some doctor or other’s opinion on what laws were broken means Jack Shit. Since there’s millions of doctors, what one doctor might consider to be “child abuse” won’t square with another doctor’s opinion. Then there’s the whole fact that, unless they’re a member of the Bar, doctors are not lawyers or District Attorneys, so how the fuck do they know what constitutes “child abuse”?
Kid screwed up and got whupped. Whoopty shit. Loads of us did.
Matter of fact, now that I think about it, the most screwed up people I have ever known were the ones who had those snotty parents that looked at you and sniffed “WE don’t spank our children… we reason with them..”. And then their kid grows up to be an even bigger fucking douchebag than you, has no moral compass to guide them and end up being smoke jumpers or drug addicts or those Nazi feminists you just love to hate… or else some metro-sexual, limp wristed emo fag who wears eyeliner, has bolts in his face and cries tears about how “nobody understands him!” and spends his time cutting himself…
Nice job.
“WE don’t spank our children… we reason with them..”
Yeah. Good job you stupid fucks. Torpedoed your kid’s life before they even had a chance…
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“Sir! Radar indicates a kid’s future on the horizon!”
“Roger that. Flood Tube 1 and prepare firing solution.”
“Firing solution ready sir.”
“Ready Tube 1. FIRE!”
“One away, sir.”
KABOOM!
“A direct hit!”
“Scratch one kid’s future. Good job everyone.”
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I grew up when school principals and teachers meted out punishment with a 4″-wide BOARD!!!
Yet I don’t recall ever hearing the words “child abuse” during all of my school years.
Things have certainly changed.
AP should have been paying attention.
@Econman,
Oh there’s plenty rule of law for the little people.
One shouldn’t play the Knockout Game with one’s own child.
People are either ignoring this, or just don’t give a shit, but ….THE KID IS JUST FOUR YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ASSHOLE DAD SAID —- “He got about five more pops than normal.”
How many times was that kid BEATEN …. not “whooped”, that sounds so benign … with a goddamn tree branch. 10 times? 15 times?
What in the goddamn fuck is wrong with you people defending this kind of ABUSE?? There is something wrong with you.
Calm the hell down, Stucky…
It wasn’t a TREE BRANCH!!! You make it sound like the little groid got knocked out with a half-ton log.
I had to go cut my own damn switch when I was a kid. Come back with something overly huge or downright puny, Daddy would get right pissed and then HE’D go cut a switch… and you didn’t want that.
Or else he used a belt. And he had those uber-skinny early 60’s belts. At least with the belts from the 70’s – the ones that were so wide it looked like it powered machinery during the age of steam – the force was spread out some and didn’t hurt so bad…
I didn’t get many ass whuppins, but the ones I did get made an impression. Never got whupped for the same thing twice and you bet your ass I behaved myself and didn’t backsass Mama or give disrespect…
Part of this is why we’ve gotten to the point where CPS can take your kids for almost no reason today. The “there augha be a law!” types who stick their big fucking noses into shit that ain’t their concern… mind your own fucking business and I’ll mind mine.
Fuck Billy, retarded kids and 4 years olds – you must love a challenge pushing that, here of all places.
Admin shows total ignorance of the law. As he is an accountant, that should not be a surprise.
In his example, speeding resulting in death, the driver has exhibited basic intent. THat is, the driver was aware of the laws of the road, and broke them, resulting in injury. Basic intent is thus satisfied.
Peterson does not appear to have been aware his actions were causing or would be considered to be causing injury to his child.
Thus, I personally do not see the basis to deem he had intent. But I am sure a smart lawyer can argue otherwise.
To be a crime, there must be intent. That Is the law almost everywhere in the world.
I did not say it is ok. The phrase Admin cherry-picked was relative to whether I thought Peterson committed a crime.
I think the kid was too young to be switched. And I think the switching was excessive. But not to the point of being criminal. Stupid, but not criminal, not as a one time thing.
That said, I think it is pretty difficult if not impossible to reason with a four year old. Spanking is definitely an option.
Llpoh,
What about “criminal negligence”?
Stuck – your opinion. Mine is different. It was excessive. But not worth sending him to jail. And it will be hard proving intent – esp. In Texas. If the video had not surfaced, he was home free – grand jury did not indict. Guess you missed that bit.
The dumb bastard did not know any better. Now he does.
OK you douchebags.
The average 4 year old boy is 3 foot 4 inches tall and weighs 36 pounds.
Adrian Peterson is 6 foot 1 inch and weighs 217 pounds.
WTF could a four year old possibly do to deserve multiple whippings at the hand of his father?
Did he spill his milk on the kitchen floor? Did he forget to turn the light off in the bathroom.
For fucks sake, 4 year olds couldn’t possibly do something worthy of getting whipped like that.
Some of you people are really fucked up in the head.
This is a four year old boy.
Harry – as I understand it, negligence is when the person knows if something were to occur, it would be a crime, and neglects to foresee his actions will result in the incident.
“But criminal negligence is a ‘misfeasance or ‘nonfeasance’ (see omission), where the fault lies in the failure to foresee”
I am not sure they can make that case re Peterson. He administered the switching exactly as planned, and did not in any way consider it wrong at the time. If he beat him with a club, and failed to forsee he would break his leg, but did, I suspect that would be negligence.
But lawyers will argue otherwise, of course.
Oh no, me and Llpoh don’t agree with the herd, so we have to be excoriated…
Boo hoo. What will I do because I didn’t jump on the GroupThink Express?
Tommy… go fuck yourself. Really. I would suggest you fuck yourself with a Louisville Slugger wrapped in barbed wire and doused in hot sauce..
Ain’t in the mood today, so just fucking don’t… I’m gonna go make a run to the store. Being as the store is in “town”, and town is like half an hour from here, it’s gonna be awhile… so you’ve got loads of time to go get your bat and cram it up your ass…
See you fags in a bit…
“Fuck the law. I am Administrator. ” OK then, you win.
I have said several times it was not right, and was excessive. But probably not illegal, and not something I would throw him in jail for.
Again I say, crimes require intent. Show me the intent.
That the Admin is enlightened is a good thing. But not everyone is. And those unenlightened souls cannot be convicted of a crime unless they intended to commit such crime.
That’s all folks! Tune in next week when the Amazzzzzzing Billy takes on another fragile member of society and proves with no proof he’s right and you’re just a total little puss-cakes with sand in your vagina! Right here, LIVE!……on Wtbp….where the monkeys roam.
The Vikings never should have ended their “boat rides with prostitutes” program.
Tommy – Billy thinks folks should toughen up some. I think he is largely right about that. My old man left a lot of marks on my ass, but he sure as hell did not deserve jail for it (except maybe once, but that is another story. And even then did not deserve a two year sentence – maybe a week. He fucked up and went to his grave regretting it.). At times it was excessive. He didn’t do it because he was mean. He did it, in his mind, to teach me right from wrong. He could have done better. If stupid were made criminal everyone would be in jail.
Billy should perhaps temper his zeal a bit, but he is not wrong that generally folks are too politically correct, and that we should call a spade a shovel.
Peterson seems to be trying. If his background was poor southern, his way is likely to be how he was taught. I will not crucify him, so long as he has learned from this.
When he was a teenager, his father was sentenced to ten years in prison. When he was seven he saw his nine year old brother killed by a drunk driver. His half-brother was murdered. His two year old son was beaten to death by the mother’s boyfriend.
Perspective folks. Perspective.
Llpoh
Did your old man beat the shit out of you when you were 4 years old or when you were old enough to understand what the fuck he was beating you for?
You’re right. I don’t give a fuck about the law. I care about what is right and what is wrong. I don’t care if Pederson goes to jail or not. If assholes want to cheer for assholes like him and buy his jersey, it’s just another example of how fucked up our society has become and confirms everything I write about the ignorant masses.
Goodell is in such a pickle, there is no way he can’t suspend the douchebag indefinitely. Too bad for poor Adrian. He’s fucked. I hope he can survive without those millions.
So Llpoh uses his Dad being a dirtbag criminal who used the same discipline method as an excuse for Adrian beating his child.
NICE.
DID YOU KNOW THE DOUCHEBAG KID BEATER IS A CHRISTIAN????
WWJD – Beat the shit out of little kids. Right?
Peterson is a Christian. Peterson has spoken about his faith in his life saying, “Jesus Christ means the world to me. I’ve been through so many different situations through my childhood and now my adulthood…God just helped me get through them and made me stronger at a young age. [Through] all the adversity and hard times I’ve been through, God has always been present. I’ve always prayed to Him and asked Him to give me the strength to endure and to help others and to better understand whatever situation I deal with in my personal life. And He has always showed up! It brings hope and peace of mind knowing that God gave His only begotten Son for us.” Peterson also spoke of his faith in relation to his injury of a torn ACL and MCL by saying “…‘This is a blessing in disguise. I’ll come back stronger and better than I was before.’ What flashed in my mind was, ‘I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me,’…”.[
What the fuck is wrong with you.
You stinking pile of shit. You think your shit don’t stink, you fucking low life cocksucker.
Call my father a dirtbag?
Go fuck yourself.
Fucking hypocrite motherfucker.
Adrian is such a good Christian, he doesn’t even know about the kids he’s fathered. He should be looked up to for his Christian values. You’d think someone whose son was killed by an abuser, might dial it back a bit.
Peterson’s two-year-old son died on October 11, 2013 at a Sioux Falls, South Dakota, hospital due to injuries sustained during an alleged assault by Joseph Robert Patterson, the boyfriend of the child’s mother. Peterson had only learned about his son a few weeks prior to his death, and had never met him.
WTF is wrong with you? I did not call your old man a dirtbag. I was referring to Adrian’s dad. These were your words:
“My old man left a lot of marks on my ass, but he sure as hell did not deserve jail for it (except maybe once, but that is another story. And even then did not deserve a two year sentence – maybe a week. He fucked up and went to his grave regretting it.). At times it was excessive. He didn’t do it because he was mean. He did it, in his mind, to teach me right from wrong. He could have done better. If stupid were made criminal everyone would be in jail.”
I asked if he beat you when you were 4 years old. Answer the fucking question and don’t make shit up that I didn’t say.
You take a genuine disagreement and call my father a dirtbag?
Seriously, that is fucking low. I know you hate to be challenged, but that is truly despicable.
Go fuck yourself Llpoh and learn comprehension skills. You referred to Adrian’s dad as a criminal and I was responding to that comment.
I would never refer to any of your family in that way.
“So llpoh uses his dad ….” Seemed to me you were talking about my dad. I over-reacted. My apologies.
But, yes, I was switched from that age and younger. .
Just like the old days. Admin kicking the shit out of Llpoh.
This no time for apologies. We need to go defcon 10 and show the monkeys how it’s done.
“Oh no, me and Llpoh don’t agree with the herd, so we have to be excoriated… Boo hoo. What will I do because I didn’t jump on the GroupThink Express?” ——– Billy
You are such a big crybaby. If people don’t agree with you, you get all sarcastic, snotty, and insulting. Grow the fuck up.
I have no problem with your views on the subject. You have no problem with an autistic child getting piss and shit poured on him …. so, your cavalier attitude towards beating a 4 year old child is not unexpected.
It is the way it was. Dustbowl Okies. Aunt born in a covered wagon. Old man on his own before 12. Etc. perspective is everything in these things, seems to me. My background is why I am ready to cut him some slack.
I think if you read the sentence you might see why I took it the way I did.
Got my heart racing, tho. Better check my blood pressure.
Admin – we fight dirty at times.
Peterson deserves to be Father of the Year. The man is a saint.
Admin – problem with defcon 10 is I will go off in a huff, Stuck will down tools, Avalon will cut you off for weeks for being an ass, and Billy will like it.
Too few of the old dogs left to lose any, even temporarily to defcon 10.
But it is tempting. Those were the days. There are monkeys who have never seen it.
Remember the thumb ring fight. A classic.
“Peterson seems to be trying.” ———– Llpoh
Bullshit. He’s only “trying” and remorseful because HE GOT CAUGHT.
One more time, Peterson said —- “He got about five more pops THAN NORMAL”
WTF??? So this thugfuk beat his child before. How many times? Maybe when the kid was 3 years old? 2 years?
And I love how you told the story of Peterson’s rough upbringing. Brought a tear to my eye. And so the cycle of violence continues … Peterson got beat, his kid gets beat, his kid will be an abuser as well. But, hey, let’s just make excuses for everybody.
You stepped in a big pile of poo defending this piece of shit. I think you should write about your vacation.
Stuck – the cycle is hard to break. You need role models, or you need an intellect sufficient to reason things out, or you need help.
Peterson seems to be trying in that he is around. That may be a huge step up from his own experiences. He seemed to be proud of his efforts to teach his kid right and wrong. He did not try to hide anything.
Punishment is not the answer in this case. Education and enlightenment is. Hopefully he learned from this.
It is very hard to disentangle yourself from your roots. Most folks fail. It can be done, but it is not easy. And I tell you this from deep experience.
Corporal punishment, when applied below the belt across the buttocks, done in such a way not to damage but to deter is very effective in discouraging bad or inappropriate behavior. By the time a kid is preteen, he or she knows the rules and further use of physical discipline will likely do more harm than good.
I got whopped by both Mom and Dad during my asshole years. Dad used his hand and Mom had him take a ping-pong paddle with holes drilled into it to let the air out for her use. I preferred to be spanked by Dad because after a whipping applied by Mom, she would usually retreat to their bedroom and cry about doing it which hurt me far more than the paddling!
When I was a youngster in Jackson,Miss., we had a large creek/drainage ditch (depending on how much water was in it!) that ran behind the small development we lived in. Me and other trouble makers after a nice afternoon shower would go swim in the creek – which had been specifically forbidden.. So I’d come home from school, hike out with the other guys (most of whom could swim) and go jump in the creek. Dad would come home, finding me missing, he’d come down to the creek and whip my ass all the way back to the house..
This went on for a fair amount of time when suddenly, I came home from school, Dad was waiting on me, told me to get a towel and my bathing suit and get my butt in the car. Down to the Jackson, Miss. YMCA where I found myself enrolled in swimming classes.. For the first and last time (and last) I had out-stubborned my Dad and he decided to fix the problem another way..
After I demonstrated really good swimming ability, I could go swim in the creek any damn time I wanted to.
Ah the good old days!
MA
Whoa… I go buy some groceries and everything goes to shit when I’m gone…
See? This is why we can’t have nice things.
No bigs. I’m actually in a good mood after that little eats run. Was on the way back and as soon as I turned on to our little road, “Thunderstruck” came on. Nobody in front of me. At all. Stuck my foot in it and turned that big V8 loose, whooshed past the 35MPH sign (they’re just suggestions anyways…). Hammering down our little backroad, pipes howling… brake hard, cut the wheels, stomp accelerator… ass end of the truck breaks loose, countersteer, ease up on the throttle, then stomp it again when you straighten out. Was actually going fast enough to catch air on some of these hills, but as soon as I topped one hill…
FUUUUUUUU!!!
Tractor.
Shit.
Calm the hell down and pull in behind Farmer Brown and the big green machine…. putt, putt, putt…
Get home. Wife is like “What the hell? Why are there broken eggs?”
Me: “Simple mathematics. Big truck + AC/DC + empty road = less eggs than when you started. I thought you Germans were all supposed to be smart?”
Which earned me a lashing, but hey, it was only 3 eggs…. pissed off wife and a couple broken eggs? Totally worth it….
Oh, hey, Stuck? Me? A crybaby? BAHH-HAHAH! A sarcastic sumbitch? Oh sure. But a crybaby? HAAAHHH!! Yeah, I still loves ya… I think you’re over-reacting some, but it is what it is…