Caught On Tape: National Guard Troops Patrol California City, Conduct New Jersey “Homeland Response Drill”

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Late last week, when we covered the various signs that “something big” may be coming, we discussed the one “exercise that people have really been buzzing about” – operation “Jade Helm”, an “unconventional warfare exercise” during which the states Texas and Utah will be designated as hostile territory.

As previously profiled, “Jade Helm is a challenging eight-week joint military and Interagency (IA) Unconventional Warfare (UW) exercise conducted throughout Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado,” according to an unclassified military document announcing the training drill, which runs from July 15 through September 15.

Multiple branches of the US military, including Green Berets, Navy Seals, and the 82nd Airborne Division, will participate in the 8-week long exercise, which may result in “increased aircraft in the area at night.”

Troops will be tasked with honing advanced skills in “large areas of undeveloped land with low population densities,” and will work alongside “civilians to gain their trust and an understanding of the issues.”

The exercise, in which some participants will be “wearing civilian clothes and driving civilian vehicles,” lists Texas and Utah as “hostile” territory.

The proposed theater of operations of Operation Jade Helm is shown on the map below:

 

So while there are still three months until Jade Helm officially opens, various documented reports of substantial national guard drills and troop exercises are starting to trickle in early. As Paul Joseph Watson notes, the first documented proof of National Guard drills comes from Ontario, California where National Guard troops can be seen patrolling residential streets and practicing traffic control.

In the video troops, followed by a humvee, are seen marching close to an elementary school and single family homes.

“I just watched it again and recognized the low block wall and the elementary school! It was right there where my sister and her husband live! OMG how frightening!” one YouTube commenter responded, while others insisted the patrols were a routine occurrence.

 

However, another respondent insisted that the patrol was not normal.

 

“During the last few seconds I got a quick glimpse of my sister and brother-in-laws house on Fuschia. Ave,” wrote the commenter.”That motorcycle was parked almost in front of their house. They told me they saw this procession going on from their front yard. They have lived in that house for 30 or so yrs and this is the first time they have seen this type of thing in their neighborhood. Might be a common thing to do their training someplace else but not in that area.”

This is not the first such clip: a disturbing video out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida last month also showed military and law enforcement practicing the internment of citizens during martial-law style training.

Meanwhile on the eastern US easboard, the PostStar reports that nearly 600 Army and Air National Guard forces from New Jersey and New York “are preparing for the worst.”

They are participating in a homeland response force drill at New Jersey’s Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst on Friday.

 

The troops specialize in rescue, security, decontamination and medical treatment.

 

The units will train to rapidly assess and identify a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear incident.

Of course, the bigger concern is that the real motive behind this major national guard exercise is not a focus on a “defensive” drill from an outside threat, but one dealing with a domestic threat.

How is that possible, some would say? Could the national guard really be preparing for a confrontation with the US population?

Unfortunately the answer is yes, as we reported last August in “Under What Conditions Can The US Army Engage Citizens: The Army’s “Civil Disturbances” Primer” which lays out not only when the US Army (and national guard) can engage the US population, but lays out clearly the protocol under which the US army is specifically permitted to engage in “PSYOPs” against the US population.

Here are the salient points, as reported previously, from the primer which begins with the umbrella statement:

Civil unrest may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots. Gathering in protest may be a recognized right of any person or group, regardless of where U.S. forces may be operating. In the United States, this fundamental right is protected under the Constitution of the United States…

“Protected” it may be, but as usual, the interpretation of the Constitution is in the eye of the beholder, or more appropriately, gun holder. Because shortly thereafter we further read the following:

The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issues limit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations. Any Army involvement in civil disturbance operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However, federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance operations under certain circumstances.

What circumstances? For the answer we turn to section, 2-8. To wit:

The Constitution of the United States provides two exceptions for which the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. These exceptions are based upon the inherent right of the U.S. government to ensure the preservation of public order and to carrying out governmental operations within its territorial limits by force, if necessary. These two exceptions are—

  • Emergency authority. A sudden and unexpected civil disturbance, disaster, or calamity may seriously endanger life and property and disrupt normal governmental functions to such an extent that local authorities cannot control the situation. At such times, the federal government may use military force to prevent the loss of life or wanton destruction of property and to restore government functions and public order. In these circumstances, federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances (see DODD 3025.18).
  • Protection of federal property and functions. When the need for the protection of federal property or federal functions exists, and duly constituted local authorities are unable to, or decline to provide adequate protection, federal action, including the use of military forces, is authorized.

2-9. Laws passed by the U.S. congress include four exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act. With the first three laws discussed below (10 USC 331–333) there is a prerequisite that the President must take personal action, including the issuance of a proclamation calling upon insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably within a limited time. The four exceptions, based on law are—

  • 10 USC 331. When a state is unable to control domestic violence and they have requested federal assistance, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
  • 10 USC 332. When ordinary enforcement means are unworkable due to unlawful obstructions or rebellion against the authority of the United States, use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
  • 10 USC 333. When a state cannot or will not protect the constitutional rights of the citizens, due to domestic violence or conspiracy to hinder execution of State or Federal law, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized.
  • House Joint Resolution 1292. This resolution directs all departments of the U.S. government, upon request of the Secret Service, to assist in carrying out its statutory duties to protect government officials and major political candidates from physical harm.

In other words, if and when the US Armed Forces decide that rioting infringes upon any of these exclusions, then the constitution no longer applies and the use of lethal force becomes a viable option against US citizens.

It gets worse, because whereas one would expect that a “Constitutional expert” such as the president, Barack Obama would be the one tasked with interpreting if and when the Constitution no longer applies, the primer is quite explicit in handing over responsibility to “federal military commanders”:

… federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbance.

So should Obama resume his vacation even as things in Missouri escalate dramatically, and be “unreachable”, it may well come to pass that Obama’s opinion will be irrelevant not only whether the National Guard should be unleashed in Ferguson, but whether Posse Comitatus is suddenly null and void.

The good news: the use of lethal force is not the only option the US Army would have if and when it engages with the population. US citizens may simply  be herded into “temporary internment camps” for reindoctrination purposes under the supervision of PSYOP Officer (no really, they used that word), as follows from the Army’s FM3-39.40 Internment and Resettlment Operationsmanual:

Internment and Resettlement (I/R) operations facilitate the ability to conduct rapid and decisive combat operations; deter, mitigate, and defeat threats to populations that may result in conflict; reverse conditions of human suffering; and build the capacity  of a foreign government to effectively care for and govern its population. This includes capabilities to conduct  shaping operations across the spectrum of military operations to mitigate and defeat the underlying conditions  for conflict and counter the core motivations that result in support to criminal, terrorist, insurgent, and other destabilizing groups. I/R operations also include the daily incarceration of U.S. military prisoners at facilities  throughout the world.

 

An adaptive enemy will manipulate populations that are hostile to U.S. intent by instigating mass civil disobedience, directing criminal activity, masking their operations in urban and other complex terrain, maintaining an indistinguishable presence through cultural anonymity, and actively seeking the traditional sanctuary of protected areas as defined by the rules of land warfare. Such actions will facilitate the dispersal of threat forces, negate technological overmatches, and degrade targeting opportunities. Commanders will use technology and conduct police intelligence operations to influence and control populations, evacuate detainees and, conclusively, transition rehabilitative and reconciliation operations to other functional agencies. The combat identification of friend, foe, or neutral is used to differentiate combatants from noncombatants and friendly forces from threat forces.

Presenting army camps, hopefully not in a city near you:

Detainee facilities, an important planning consideration, are treated in the same basic fashion as any base camps. The same basic planning considerations are taken into  account. Some detainee facilities will be subordinate to a larger base camp but they may also be at a separate location.

Of course, none of this will be needed if the Army’s Psyops work as required:

The PSYOP officer in charge of supporting I/R operations serves as the special staff officer responsible for PSYOP. The PSYOP officer advises the military police commander on the psychological impact of military police or MI actions to prevent misunderstandings and disturbances by detainees and DCs. The supporting I/R PSYOP team has two missions that reduce the need to divert military police assets to maintain security in the I/R facility.  The team—

  • Assists the military police force in controlling detainees and DCs.
  • Introduces detainees or DCs to U.S. and multinational policy.
  • Develops PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations.
  • Gains the cooperation of detainees or DCs to reduce the number of guards needed.
  • Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.
  • Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.
  • Identifies political activists.
  • Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).
  • Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.
  • Plans and executes a PSYOP

In other words, if and when the time comes to “override” Posse Comitatus, random US citizens may have two options: i) end up in the US version of a Gulag or, worse, ii) be shot. For now, however, just keep an eye on the various drill videos to get a sense of the US army’s preparedness in dealing with “civil disobedience.”

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Anonymous
Anonymous
April 19, 2015 10:34 am

There are tunnels under some Walmarts that are large enough to move troups through for long distances. What would that be used for?

2
2
April 19, 2015 10:56 am

So if you’re in Utah, California or Texas, flee.

They coming to kill and subjugate you.

indialantic
indialantic
April 19, 2015 10:58 am

It’s a good thing that the federal coffers are replete with cash to pay for this sort of silliness. I know for a fact that Ontario, California has “tent cities” of formerly middle class Americans just trying to survive from one day to the next. Maybe the troops will drop by and give them a “swig” from their canteens.

Another topic: Have the doctor sign this form if they insist that your child needs a (Chinese-made) vaccination:

You Want To Vaccinate My Child? No Problem, Just Sign This Form

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/2015/04/you-want-to-vaccinate-my-child-no-problem-just-sign-this-form-2/

Stucky
Stucky
April 19, 2015 10:59 am

What are they training for? How to walk down a street and stop traffic?

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 19, 2015 11:11 am

Stucky,

They’re training to be an intimidating presence.

And get you used to it.

overthecliff
overthecliff
April 19, 2015 1:27 pm

Do not plan to fight the army or police you will lose. They have superior armaments and tactics.Confrontation like the one at the Bundy Ranch will lead to a lot of dead people for no good reason. Just remember that the government is made up of people who have the same values and desires as we do. They can be reasoned with and we can all reach some sort of working relationship.

bb
bb
April 19, 2015 1:41 pm

To Stucky and who ever it may concern. As I have advertised in the cartoon post. BB needs help. What do I need to get in order to post pictures ,videos of little bb and a video (short flim ) of my most excellent hunting adventures. Thank you in advance.

I have a smart phone and brand new HP computer with Windows 7.Got it on sell at Walley World.Stucky remember you worked for HP.

bb
bb
April 19, 2015 1:43 pm

Damn I spelled film wrong. See I really need help.

Constman54
Constman54
April 19, 2015 3:57 pm

OTC: just remember the gov’t is made up of people who have the same values as we do…..
BULLSHIT. The gov’t is full of college public school educated morons. When was the last time you dealt with one of them. They love the power they have and you cannot reason with a gov’t drone.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 19, 2015 4:25 pm

overthecliff,

Those giving the orders don’t care about values and desires beyond their personal power agendas and ambitions.

Those following those orders probably don’t realize this.

A mafia boss sends a hit man after you and you get lucky and knock that hit man off before he gets you, the mafia boss will just be sending another one and another one till he finally gets you.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 19, 2015 4:35 pm

If the drought in the Southwest continues, a military presence will be necessary in the area if they have to restrict water or evacuate the region. There are over 30 million Americans in California, not to mention 2 million people in Las Vegas as Lake Mead runs dry. The wetter climate of the west over the past 100 years was the anomaly.

M.I.A.
M.I.A.
April 19, 2015 4:54 pm

Special Op Veterans Groups Have Launched ‘Counter Jade Helm’ Operation

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Patriot groups across the country are preparing to launch a ‘Counter Jade Helm’ operation to keep tabs on a controversial U.S. military exercise that some fear is part of preparations to train troops for civil unrest and martial law.

Initiative will “observe the attempted infiltration of our towns”

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
April 10, 2015

http://www.prisonplanet.com/patriot-groups-to-launch-counter-jade-helm-operation.html

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 19, 2015 5:42 pm

T4C

Agreed. I wish Billy or Roy or one of our military experts would pipe in and explain to us why exactly there is a need for a operation like Jade Helm 15.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 19, 2015 5:48 pm

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Let’s say the dollar crashes overnight., EBT cards and basic services are cut off. How would you expect the freeshit army to respond? Look @ Ferguson MO, once the freeshit army is mobilized burned out, looted stores are all that’s left in the aftermath, infrastructure destroyed.

So, what response would you like to see in your area, would you prefer the National Guard stand down in your community? Sometimes there’s an imagination vacuum around here that’s palpable.

I want every Guradsman that can be gathered standing over our valuable infrastructure with shoot on site orders. They are getting ready for the collapse of this economy and that my friend is something you damn sure need to be worried about. This Courntry has a very large Freeshit Army with an absolute entitlement mentality that has zero ability to feed it self short of theft and destruction.

I put my focus where the immediate threat will come from the morning after collapse and it won’t be the military or National Guard. The explosion will come from the poor unprepared masses racked with fear and panic. I personally will be calm, putting in motion a decade’s worth of planning and preparation. I will lay low till the killing burns itself out, resurface, and assess the new landscape, making adjustments as the situation demands.

Anyone with a gun not pointed in your direction will be your FRIEND.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 19, 2015 7:06 pm

BL said:
“I wish Billy or Roy or one of our military experts would pipe in and explain to us why exactly there is a need for a operation like Jade Helm 15.”

Same reason they subject all students to routine daily searches and unannounced searches………..to normalize it.

The military already has purpose built mock cities to practice urban warfare. They even have access to large, now defunct, former military bases which are essentially miniature cities not to mention virtually unlimited wars of choice where they can practice on all the brown people they want.

yahsure
yahsure
April 19, 2015 8:49 pm

Well, you know we need order when that economic collapse happens.
Just add an EMP event and its Dark Angel in real life.

bb
bb
April 19, 2015 10:26 pm

No help , Fine.Your loss.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
April 19, 2015 10:32 pm

Anon and others ,you didn’t read between the lines. I agree about the hit men. That a would be the soldiers and cops. Besides they are hard targets. Government drones who give the orders should be targets of our opposition. We should deprive them of the things they would take from us, the things they value. Drones would be softer targets. Be gray don’t let the bastards know who you are.

That is advice for those young enough to fight them. I’ m to old to take much part in that.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
April 19, 2015 10:39 pm

54, if you grab them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. I don’t know who said that but it is true.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 19, 2015 11:12 pm

“That is advice for those young enough to fight them. I’ m to old to take much part in that.”

Einstein was right. Old men start wars and young men fight them. I doubt any young person will fight for their elders cause. I surely wouldn’t.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 19, 2015 11:32 pm

Clammy said:
” I doubt any young person will fight for their elders cause. I surely wouldn’t.”

LOL! Nearly every soldier who has ever fought throughout history has been a young person fighting for their owners cause. Always has been, always will be.

SSS
SSS
April 19, 2015 11:45 pm

“I wish Billy or Roy or one of our military experts would pipe in and explain to us why exactly there is a need for a operation like Jade Helm 15.”
—-Bea Lever

I have 20 years as a pilot in the Air Force (most of it as a fighter pilot and forward air controller working with land forces), two combat tours, plus a tour with the Air National Guard. Oh, 18 of my 20 years were in Special Operations, the folks who put this exercise together. Does that qualify as a “military expert” who might have something useful to say? No one on this site, including Billy, has a broader, global experience with spec ops than I do.

As for your request for “explaining to us” why there is a need for this exercise (there isn’t a need), not gonna do it. Figure it out yourself.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 19, 2015 11:50 pm

Steph. Einstein was right. Old men start wars and young men fight them. I doubt any young person will fight for their elders cause. I surely wouldn’t.

Where does old start on your timeline?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 12:07 am

Sensetti- Old men who start wars are the ones too old to fight them. To me that would be the roughly +50 age demographic. But these days the old and young are being pitted against each other so I don’t see any young people fighting for causes that will not directly benefit them. The way I see it is with any issue I am young enough to wait it out. I think with my generation we are waiting out the old timers in power right now.

Billy
Billy
April 20, 2015 12:30 am

Do not plan to fight the army or police you will lose. They have superior armaments and tactics.Confrontation like the one at the Bundy Ranch will lead to a lot of dead people for no good reason. Just remember that the government is made up of people who have the same values and desires as we do. They can be reasoned with and we can all reach some sort of working relationship. – cliff

This is shit.

Young troops swear allegiance to the Constitution, support and defend, all enemies foreign and domestic, blah, blah..

But almost none of them can tell you what any of the Amendments are, word for word. Or even the Bill of Rights. One would think a person would know what the fuck they’re swearing allegiance to before swearing…

Young troops have one goal – to please their superiors and get nominated for something shiny and then promoted. They’re like overeager puppies. Just like those Derps who went through NOLA after the hurricane, kicking in doors and stripping people of their “constitutionally-guaranteed” and legally owned firearms… all on the word of some middle management copfuk nigger who worked for NOPD.

Only years later, did they realize the enormity of what they did. The ones I know of, are heartbroken and ashamed. But that didn’t stop them from booting in doors and taking people’s shit.

Middling troops, I would say, up to and including the rank of Major amongst the commissioned officers and perhaps E7 in enlisted land, might – and I stress MIGHT – have some heartburn with firing on Americans or booting in doors, etc. They might grumble, but they won’t make waves. It takes tremendous intestinal fortitude to stand and say you won’t do something because the order is illegal. You WILL be dragged onto the carpet for it, right or wrong. And then made an example of. Your career will be effectively OVER, so maybe some senior enlisteds close to retirement might make a stink or a stand, but only because their retirement is assured…

Moral courage is the rarest – and most precious – type of bravery.

Flag rank? Those ranks have already been purged by the Mulatto Messiah and his handlers… pretty much just yes-men remaining, from what I understand.

The stuff I’ve heard through the coconut telegraph – all prior service, none currently serving – is that they are ‘worried’… there’s never been anything like this. Ever.

My gut says they’re doing this shit to desensitize people to seeing this type of thing. Why? Because my gut also says they know some shit is on the way – or at least expect some shit to fall. So, you got the “we’re the good guys!” thing going on – “protecting you from TERR-RISTS! and shit” coupled with desensitizing folks… make them more willing to go along with what the military says when the time comes…

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see…

SSS- dude, get the stick out of your ass. You’re miffed because you weren’t called out by name. Poor special snowflake that you are…

And for the record, I don’t classify myself as an “expert” on much. I was an airborne puke for awhile, did a turn or two and spent a couple years south of the border where there ain’t no law and order, then wound up pulling a protective service gig for a certain flag-ranked officer over in EUCOM before I got fucked up.

You want to claim the title of King Shit when it comes to snoopin’ and poopin’? Be my guest. Glad to have ya.

Just cause you didn’t get called out by name is no reason to be an asshole to someone who asked honestly for an assessment from someone with experience… which INCLUDES YOU.

Billy
Billy
April 20, 2015 12:34 am

Jeezus Christ… fuckin’ fighter pilots…

God save us from their fuckin’ egos…

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 12:46 am

Steph,
I’ m 53 & in better shape than 98% of the men you would consider your peers. How do I know this? When I walk in the gym and a Minnie’s malingering on a piece of equipment I’m ready to put to work, I stand silent and let my eyes and body posture speak to the young pup, they pick up their shit and move every time without a word of disagreement. Grey hair, large biceps, and a facial scar or two from a broken beer bottle some fool thought would serve as an equalizer creates an unnerving motivator that makes the boys move their feet. I not really sure how much confidence I would have with these cats out front. But I do give them credit for having enough sense to get the fuck out of the way.

Clammy, you have more balls than most of the men in your age group.
Just sayin.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 12:54 am

Someday I’ll tell the story of my only military experience, six Marines, Barstow California, sensetti, liquor, women, rogue abusive cops and a minus 10k to the balance sheet, great sideline to the All American pipeline and a long hot summer in the Mojave Desert.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 12:56 am

Sensetti- I’m not saying this isn’t true, but wars are typically fought by the youth not because of their stamina but because they have nothing to lose. Right now with the youth, we don’t have anything to lose but we also don’t have anything to gain. Eventually those in power, those holding up progress, those clinging to their social security and 401K will age themselves out of being relevant. As I said, the youth are largely just waiting it out.

ASIG
ASIG
April 20, 2015 1:09 am

Steph

“The way I see it is with any issue I am young enough to wait it out. I think with my generation we are waiting out the old timers in power right now.”

So what if the new change doesn’t quickly cycle back to some condition you find acceptable?

What if the NEW ORDER is worse than what exists now and lasts for a long time?

Consider this. When did the Bolshevik revolution start?

The NEW ORDER (communist control) turned out to be even worse than what preceded it.

Do I need to tell you how long that lasted?

So if history repeats itself will you be able to wait it out?

Yeah good luck with that!

Be careful what you wish for.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 1:10 am

Steph your words are spot on. I know I’m headed down the backside of the mountain! I’m stronger today than I will be tomorrow. I still have the ability to hold the interest of Women half my age but when I hear, “Hey my dad likes that Too” I think, fuck, my mind needs to catch up with what was and what is.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 20, 2015 1:26 am

SSS says:

I have 20 years as a pilot in the Air Force (most of it as a fighter pilot and forward air controller working with land forces), two combat tours, plus a tour with the Air National Guard. Oh, 18 of my 20 years were in Special Operations, the folks who put this exercise together. Does that qualify as a “military expert” who might have something useful to say? No one on this site, including Billy, has a broader, global experience with spec ops than I do.

As for your request for “explaining to us” why there is a need for this exercise (there isn’t a need), not gonna do it. Figure it out yourself.
______________________________

How many kills did you get? Are you in the same league as Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, who had maybe 100 as a zero pilot and was never shot down once, or Erich Hartmann who had over 350?
Have you even earned company with the Iranian aces from the war with Iraq?

SSS
SSS
April 20, 2015 1:32 am

“Jeezus Christ… fuckin’ fighter pilots… God save us from their fuckin’ egos…”
—Billy @ SSS

Many aspire, many dream, but very, very few reach the mountain top.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 1:36 am

ASIG- I don’t see the youth taking up any cause in the foreseeable future. We are in the midst of a generational shift of power from the Baby Boomers and the Millennials. Baby Boomers do not have the luxury of putting off their retirement for much longer. The body wears itself out and most Boomers can not start over again. Meanwhile their money being tied up in the homes and 401Ks, all over inflated because of decades of Federal Reserve interference and a combined with legislation that favors the old over the young, means capital is not flowing into the economy.

The youth however have time on their side. We don’t have to buy houses, cars, marry, or have children.Ya know, the same consumerism the economy has been dependent on since the Bretton Woods agreement. At this point, it is beneficial to put off those decisions. When it comes to student loans; the banks and government are owed over $1 Trillion dollars, it is their problem.

SSS
SSS
April 20, 2015 1:37 am

Zara

I was an air-ground guy. Not air-to-air. Enemy ground troops did not appreciate my skills.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 1:39 am

Steph, I completely understand the shit your generation has been given. But let me leave you with the words of my father on his death bed when I asked him why?
Son, you have to play the cards you are delt, you can’t play someone else’s hand. Just enjoy everyday you are given.

He imparted much more to me than I will go into, but I try really hard not to waste a single day. Steph by the time the boomers die off your youth will be lost. Your happiness belongs to the day your standing in, not a point in the future.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 1:45 am

Sensetti- I am already ahead of the curb. What I am saying essentially is the youth isn’t going to show up. There is no reason for them to bear the weight of their elders. There is also no reason for them to fight for any causes currently. Do you think they are going to object if the system collapses considering the status quo is heavily stacked against them. Right now they are waiting for shit to hit the fan so we can clean up the mess and move on from the fuck ups of the 20th century.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 20, 2015 2:21 am

Clammy said:
” wars are typically fought by the youth not because of their stamina but because they have nothing to lose.”

Again, no. The young are fit, full of energy, generally fearless but above all else, they are dumb and inexperienced. More brawn than brains. They are malleable. General tells a guy like that to charge the enemy and he’ll run off screamin’ toward the enemy. General tells someone like me to charge the enemy and I’ll say “right behind ya boss”.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 2:27 am

Steph, I just don’t see the young men standing and being men. When I was In my twenties men in their sixties respected me. Today, I’m sorry, but these guys are weak, a bunch of soft pussified dudes masquerading as men. Trust me, the toughest of them hang out in the Gym or the local watering hole, I walk through both those environments wondering how in the hell this group will have the backbone or balls to stand in the face of the adversity that will surely overtake them. I just don’t see it.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 2:27 am

“General tells a guy like that to charge the enemy and he’ll run off screamin’ toward the enemy”

General tells a Millennial guy to charge the enemy and he snapchat him and send him a meme to mock the General.

bb
bb
April 20, 2015 2:27 am

Most of you will not survive your first encounter with the nigger or red neck down the street mush less the police or real soldiers. You fucking people live in a fantasy. Most of you will go ape shit crazy just from dealing with no electricity. You will have no rights. Your money will be worthless No one including your next door neighbor will have to tolerate you.No rights , no money , no nothing ,no medicine and noreal friends. Now tell me your sexual fantasies.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 20, 2015 2:33 am

Clammy said:
“General tells a Millennial guy to charge the enemy and he snapchat him and send him a meme to mock the General.”

Iraq, Afghanistan and the young veteran suicide rate say otherwise.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 2:34 am

Sensetti- I don’t see how it would be beneficial for Millennial men to be tough. It would be more likely they could end up in jail or dead than gaining respect. Out country shuns masculinity in case you haven’t noticed.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 2:36 am

See IS just posted the exact opposite of what I did. The difference? I’m out here walking amongst these youngsters and they are not fearless and full of energy. They are fearful and confused, completely lost at sea,mutterly incapable of navigating the storm that surrounds them. IS get out of the house more. 43% of Minnie’s Still live with mommy. A large majority can find a JOB after college. 37% of 1 trillion dollars worth of student loans are current the rest are delinquent or in default.

FEARLESS? These motherfuckers are LOST.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 2:37 am

IS- And that would be why the military’s recruitment numbers are down. Why would anybody want to go to the fucking dessert to fight for the oil companies that charge over $4 dollars a gallon when they are giving free reign and for a Congress who cuts the VA’s funding?

bb
bb
April 20, 2015 2:46 am

This nation is going to burn like no other in history . It deserves to burn .The population is worthless. The population is corrupt. Morally weak with no firm convictions.
Here is what’s going to happen. YOU are going to LOSE everything you take for granted. YOU are going to SUFFER , You are going to DIE .Probably within the first months of collapse..Anything any of you have to say other then this is the pure bullshit coming out of your imagination.Get over it.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 20, 2015 3:05 am

The youngsters in my area a full of vim and vigor when it comes to drinking, druggin’ and recreating. When it comes to work, not so much.

If they are lost, the army will teach them to read a map or follow someone who can. If they are not fearless, the army will compel them to move forward anyway. When it comes to the heavy lifting of the fourth turning it WILL be the minnies doing the dying. In short, it will be done on Earth, as spelled out in oligarch heaven.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
April 20, 2015 3:12 am

What do you mean “Why would they go?” when they already went? Why? Free shit of course, like college tuition. Four years to fuck off for free.

Recruitment numbers are down for a host of reasons. One is tats. That is being relaxed. Another is they are too fat to meet minimum requirements. Those requirements are being relaxed and much like economic indicators, requirements are being redefined. The young illegals will be offered citizenship to sign up and if none of that works they have a very effective incentive program called The Draft.

Sensetti
Sensetti
April 20, 2015 3:26 am

Steph, when the shit hits the fan these cats don’t have the intestinal fortitude to stand in the face of adversity. I’m really not out to grind an ax, I’m just telling you how it is. The majority of these guys are weak never getting an arms length away from mommys skirt. Can’t feed themselves, 43% of Minnie’s live with mom and pop. Kind of hard to declare your manhood when mommys still making you a PBJ for lunch.
In Comparison when I was a senior in high school I was bet 100 dollars I would not walk off into the Sons of Silence Motorcycle clubs hangout , order a beer, walk over, step up and stand on one of the large heavy wooden picnic tables and down that beer. I said ok here’s the deal, you put the money in my hand and I put my life on the line, let’s do it. I did just as outlined above, walked to the bar ordered a longneck Bud, turned, steeped up on the seat and then onto the table top walked to the center of the table, which was packed with bikers, the place went silent, I turned the beer up, downed the whole thing and then made a public announcement. I said, you motherfuckers see those dumbasses over there hiding by the front door? They bet me 100 dollars I would not do what I just did, as I pulled the bill from my pocket, I said, I’m going to go lay this on the bar and buy as much beer as it will buy. Long necks were a dollar each at the time so the house got around, sensetti got a reputation, from that day until I left the Town years later I was welcome in their bar, where outsiders dare tread. Without a single tattoo on my body those men respected me, referred to me as that crazy motherfucker. I was welcomed as one of their own never once rode a bike or even owned one. Why would they allow such an outsider amongst them. A more ballzie exhibition they never witnessed, the story was told over and over again through the years.
The youngsters of today lack what my elders called SAND. These boys don’t have sand. History will make note of them as helpless victims, sad, very sad.
GOD Help us all?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
April 20, 2015 3:28 am

Seriously, tats? Tattoos and the military have gone together since Sailor Jerry and Korea. The military actually encourages tattoos to identify remains because of IEDs. The Fourth Turning says nothing about the hero generation doing the dying. It says they do the heavy lifting. Right now I think they are doing the heavy lifting by carrying the burden of past generational mistakes.