Can Scientists Think?

Guest Post by Fred Reed

Euclid Cannot Explain a Hamburger

On the Unz Review I find a piece by Razib Khan, Can a Religious Person be a Good Scientist? His answer, yes, is inarguable since, as he points out, many good scientists are religious (Newton, a Christian, by most accounts did pretty fair work.) But why should it be necessary to ask such a luminously foolish question?

Because we live in luminously foolish times. Mr. Khan cites, not approvingly, a scientist who wanted to have another dismissed from his position for being an evangelical Christian. Why? Well, you see, the manner of thinking of religious people renders them incapable of science.

This makes sense only in terms of bitter hostility to religion. Why can a Christian scientist not study, say, the possibilities of rotaxanes as bistable devices in molecular computers as well as can an atheist or agnostic?

While Christians can think about science, I wonder whether scientists, as scientists, can think about anything else. Are their mental capacities not grossly limited in comparison with those of other people?

It is a question of blinkers. They think inside a box containing only a part of reality.

Logical systems, such as those to which scientists are tightly wed, depend on assumptions and undefined primitives. Their conclusions cannot go beyond results derivable from their assumptions.

Consider plane geometry, a field encompassing the behavior of planes, lines, points, and angles. Like many branches of science and mathematics, it produces interesting and useful results. Yet it rests on things that cannot really be defined. (What is a point? “An infinitely localized whereness” perhaps?) It cannot explain things not contained in its premises. For example, it has nothing to say about mass, energy, volume, or chili dogs.  Yet these things exist. If a plane geometer thinks only within the postulates of his field (which of course no plane gemoteter does), he cannot understand the greater part of reality.

The silences as a whole enjoy the same strengths and suffer the same limitations. They deal with matter, energy, space, and time, however hyphenated, and nothing else. These are undefined. (Dorm-room definition: “Space is what keeps everything from being in the same place. Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.”)

Science enjoys great prestige as it has led to great results, such as iPhones. Perhaps bccause of this scientists, for some reason thought to be smarter than the rest of humanity, are seen as oracles and almost as priests. Yet they have nothing to say, and can have nothing to say, about meaning, purpose, origins, destiny, consciousness, beauty, right and wrong, Good and Evil, death, love or loathing.

These are matters of some importance to normal people whose thinking is not crippled by strict adherence to the Laws of Motion. A scientist, as a scientist, must dismiss them as empty abstractions, simply ignore them, or provide unsatisfactory answers and quickly change the subject.  A physicist may speak solemnly of the Big Bang, but it has no more explanatory power than Genesis. A child of six years will ask, “But where did God come from?” Or the Big Bang.

A man whose thinking has not been shackled by the restrictions of science can say, “This sunset is beautiful.” A scientist cannot not, not if he is thinking as a scientist. Beauty has no physical definition, the only kind allowable in the sciences. (I confess that in my ancient chemistry classes we accepted as the unit of beauty the millihelen, defined as “that amount of beauty necessary to launch one ship.”)

Trouble begins when one tries to stretch a system beyond its premises. Here we come to scientism, as distinct from science. A great many people, some of them scientists, want science to explain everything whatever. This of course is the function of a religion.

Scientism, like other varieties of political correctness, is de rigueur among much of the cognitive or approximately cognitive elite, and has been inculcated in the populace by endless repetition. The credo runs roughly Big Bang, stars form, planets, oceans, life, evolution, Manhattan. Acceptance—unexamined acceptance—of scientism is now regarded as evidence of right thinking. Most who accept it have no idea what they are accepting, but they know that it is the proper thing to do.

For much of the public, this is a sort of religion by Disney, the Force Be With You, with an origin of of the universe that, well, you know, the scientists understand it, and we are evolving upward and onward into like, better beings and all. And death? Let us speak of other things.

Here we come to Mr. Khan’s scientist who (as distinct from Mr. Khan) wants to remove Christians from the practice of science. A religion, however manqué, cannot brook any doubt whatever. A Christian cannot say, well, maybe Jesus was the son of God, but maybe Mary wasn’t a virgin after all. If he does, his faith no longer serves its function of providing certainty.  Any doubt threatens the whole edifice.

So with scientism.  Serious believers cannot abide heresy. The need to believe, to protect the edifice, is most commonly seen regarding the theory of evolution, any questioning of which results not in answers, but in fury.

The acolytes of scientism invariably see the enemy as Creationism, which they correctly if not consciously recognize as a competing religion. Thus the desire to remove believers in any religion from scientific posts. Thus the pathological outrage that arises if the schools of Kansas want to mention Biblical Creation. Why? Obviously doing so would not result in the burning of laboratories or crucifixion of chemists, and would be unlikely to discourage a kid from going into the sciences. This doesn’t matter. Heresy cannot be allowed.

Scientism is part of the curious culture-wide campaign to remove any trace of religion from public life. It is the equivalent of the Christian iconoclasm of the late Roman times: we must tear down the statues of those pagan gods. The purposes are identical.

Scientism requires a willful ignoring of undeniable aspects of reality, such as death. To a scientist, (again, thinking as a scientist), death means only the cessation of certain chemical processes. He says after the funeral, “John is gone,” but never, “Where has John gone?” But do not even atheists wake up at three a.m. and think, “Where are we? What is this all about?” And, ominously, “What comes next, if anything?” The atheist might reply, “Nothing”—but what if he is wrong? How does he know? Except to the religious, who don’t have the answers either, even to mention these questions seems slightly obscene.

Note that the premises of the sciences, if accepted other than provisionally for a particular investigation, lead to paradoxes, as for example the Aquarium Effect. Scientists view the universe as if it were an isolated system in a vast aquarium. They can look at it, poke at it with sticks and instruments, but they are apart from it. If they regard themselves as being within the system, problems arise.

For example, the brain is an electrochemical mechanism, all parts of which follow the laws of physics and chemistry. Successive states of a physical mechanism are completely determined by preceding states, just as they are in a computer. Physical systems cannot choose their behavior: a rock when dropped cannot decide to fall sideways. Our thoughts are therefore predestined. Are they then still thoughts?

Which leads to the obvious conclusion that one cannot simultaneously be part of a physical system and fully understand it. Like conjugate variables or something. But we are part of the universe.

Note that all science is physics. Chemistry is the physics of the interaction of atoms and molecules, biochemistry of particular classes of molecules. Consequently evolution is a subset of physics. (How is it not? Everything that happens in an organism from metabolism to mutation obeys the laws of physics. If this is not true, then physical behavior is affected by Something Outside of Physics—eeeeeeeeeek!)

Part of physics is the requirement of causality. Every physical event, which means every event, must have prior physical causes.  Anything that doesn’t can’t happen. But do we really know this? A normal person can wonder. A scientist cannot.

To amuse ourselves, let us assume that something physically inexplicable actually happened. Let us suppose that the shade of Elvis appeared in my living room, sang Blue Moon over Kentucky, and disappeared in a flash of green light. Remember, for the moment we assume that it really happened. How could a scientist, or the science, handle this?

I could tell my friend the astrophysicist about it, but he would assume that I was joking, lying, or delusional. I could tell him that my neighbors heard it, but he would say that it was a recording. I could say that people walking in the street saw it though my window, but he would say that it was an Elvis impersonator. The event not being reproducible, I could not possibly convince him—even though it had actually happened.

Scientism appears at its most desperate in matters of evolution, where things clearly explicable in physical terms (astronomy, electronics, combustion) bump up against things not nearly so explicable (life, consciousness, motivations).  Scientism always finds a way, however strained, to avoid the ravages of doubt. Conceding or even considering anything outside of that small scientific box would open up a Whole Lot of Doubt.

Consider Cochran’s Virus. Evolutionary theory of course says that traits that make for successful reproduction will flourish in a population. This makes sense and can be observed in many things. It fails badly in the case of homosexual men. As these produce no or few children, the selective pressure to eliminate them from the population would seem to be great. Yet they are not eliminated. Scientism cannot say that here perhaps is something not explained by the theory. That would shake the whole edifice. How does it manage this difficulty?

Desperately. The biologist Greg Cochran says that homosexuality is a disease caused by a virus. Which virus is that? We don’t know because it has not been discovered. What is the evidence for it? Why, homosexuality. Round and round….

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anarchyst
anarchyst
June 6, 2015 10:56 am

Scientists remind me of classically trained musicians. Put the sheet music in front of them and they play beautifully. Take away the sheet music, and they are “dumb as rocks”.
A friend of mine is a classically-trained musician and plays beautifully. However, it takes ME, who is not classically-trained to teach him the popular music WITHOUT the use of sheet music. I am not discounting his abilities, however, there are more ways to learn than the “official” was.
A good example of this is the case of Stanford Ovshinsky, a machinist by trade, who came up with the idea of “amorphous semiconductors” (semiconductors without a crystalline structure) that could be sprayed on to a surface, rather than grown from crystals. When he brought his ideas before the “established intelligentsia”, he was roundly criticized and passed off as a charlatan.
Mr. Ovshinsky holds hundreds of patents. His technology is licensed by Sony, Sharp, and many other multinational corporations.
Unconventional thinking quite often results in real breakthroughs…Those scientists, who declare that something is “impossible” are usually wrong…

Stucky
Stucky
June 6, 2015 11:34 am

“Mr. Khan cites, not approvingly, a scientist who wanted to have another dismissed from his position for being an evangelical Christian.” ———— Fred

It makes sense in certain situations. What about a geologist who is adamant that the earth (and the entire friggin universe) is only about 10,000 years old? Can anything he publishes or researches be trusted? I don’t think so. He is, as Fred himself writes — ” willful ignoring of undeniable aspects of reality”.

Anyway, not one of Fred’s better pieces. What is he saying? That a scientist can believe any cockamamie thing whatsoever, and without repercussions? Bollocks!!

flash
flash
June 6, 2015 12:06 pm

no room in Scientoadism for the debunking of popular myth masquerading established science.

A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution.

A world-famous chemist tells the truth: there’s no scientist alive today who understands macroevolution

Watson Loses Cold Spring Harbor Post

James Watson, the co-discoverer of DNA, has made many controversial remarks over the years. But telling a British newspaper that, in effect, blacks are intellectually inferior to whites seems to have landed him in unprecedented trouble. Last evening, as public criticism of those remarks swelled to a crescendo, the Board of Trustees of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) in Long Island, New York, stripped Watson of his title as chancellor of the 117-year-old institution.

http://news.sciencemag.org/2007/10/watson-loses-cold-spring-harbor-post

flash
flash
June 6, 2015 12:13 pm

You can trust scientists because they’re not Christians .

Damning indictment of fraudulent science by chief editor of The Lancet

“The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.”

http://planet.infowars.com/health/damning-indictment-of-fraudulent-science-by-chief-editor-of-the-lancet

bb
bb
June 6, 2015 3:04 pm

There’s no credible evidence that earth is more then few thousand years old. It just looks old .If you have evidence then show me.

Just like the lie of Evolution. Never been observed in a laboratory. Never been repeated in experiments .Nothing but pure fantasy parading around as science.

Big bang ,another lie .You see this over and over…..

starfcker
starfcker
June 6, 2015 4:29 pm

BB, evolution is real, and it happen quicker than you think. I have some very fundamentalist employees, and here is how I explain my unwillingness to take a side in this. Ford created the mustang, and has improved it ever since. God created man, and has done the same.

starfcker
starfcker
June 6, 2015 4:35 pm

In other words, evolution in just the invisible hand of god. Keeps me out of innumerable arguments, and I don’t have to spend any time pondering what I see vs my basic belief system. Peace to all.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
June 6, 2015 5:51 pm

A scientist could be like my late friend Dr Uford Madden (ref Youtube) who’s Affirmative Action education at FAMU was paid for by the government as was his research and farm yet he didn’t have the sense to know a latex condom would not protect him from viruses. I’m sure for a few dollars he would have produced a scientific study proved anything TPTB desired.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
June 6, 2015 5:54 pm

OK, proving.or that proved even smart people screw up.

bb
bb
June 6, 2015 7:12 pm

Prove evolution is real.Give me real documentation.Show me real evidence. Anything else is just wishful magical thinking.

Stucky knows it’s all lies. Stucky , what really happened to you ?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 6, 2015 7:33 pm

bb

You have been instrumental in proving devolution many times here on TBP. Keep up the good work (cough) and we will shake our heads in disbelief that you actually exist.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
June 6, 2015 7:44 pm

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bb
bb
June 6, 2015 8:15 pm

Bea ,I ask for proof and all you can do is try to insult my superior intellect. Once again, show me some evidence evolution is real.
Show me evidence the big bang is anything other then big bang bull shit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 6, 2015 10:55 pm

Evolution is real. Just look at the number of animals that have been domesticated and bred to possess or exclude certain traits, or the number of plants that have been bred to possess or exclude certain traits. Any farmer can explain this to you in simple terms, without the use of complex language or scientific jargon.

Perhaps you should frame your argument, “prove to me that natural selection is real.” That would at least be a legitimate starting point for discussion on biology.

bb
bb
June 7, 2015 1:05 am

Ok Anonymous , prove to me natural selection is a fact.Show real laboratory evidence. Show experiments that are repeatedly getting the same results.Show me how much time it takes. Oh ,and explain to me what random chance really is .

Explain to me how Stucky has evolved using natural selection as a guide….. Is his DNA sequence closer to a muskrat or prehistoric monster.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 7, 2015 1:24 am

Natural selection is not a fact. It is a theory, currently one of the best working theories science has to explain the evolution of life on this planet. It would be impossible to detail the evidence and observation supporting this theory in a few concise sentences, so I suggest you read ‘Origin of the Species,’ Chaper 4, for a rough overview of the topic, then work your way up to some of the more modern literature covering speciation, divergence and the web of complex relations.

As for explaining random chance…I can only assume you are referring to the random chance straw man argument. Selection, as in Natural Selection, is the opposite of Chance. Were evolution simply a matter of chance, species, as science understands them, could not exist.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
June 7, 2015 2:06 am

robert h siddell jr says: I’m sure for a few dollars he would have produced a scientific study proved anything TPTB desired.

The Russian experiment with atheism failed miserably. America has embarked on a scientism experiment as the new religion of the land. There is no truth but what can be proven scientifically. Values and morals take a back seat. Morals have no mass, weight or volume. Beauty has no measurable properties and truth cannot be graphed.

Eventually scientism will make it difficult, if not impossible, for people to think in abstract terms or to judge right from wrong. When men’s minds are eclipsed by scientism’s dogmas, evil and sin will have been conquered because there will be no sin to speak of.

At that point, we shall return to the state the world was in before the flood when everyone did as they pleased without being constrained by any sense of sinfulness. Witness: a man is lauded for changing gender not because it is right according to old values but because he can, according to new medical techniques.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 7, 2015 2:17 am

Natural selection is one thing, creationism is another. Can anyone explain to me why through purely natural selection, a butterfly could have evolved?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
June 7, 2015 2:21 am

Anonymous says: Were evolution simply a matter of chance, species, as science understands them, could not exist.

Is science an entity that it understands things? Isn’t the word ‘species’ simply a category in a table of classification?

A lot of science is a labor of classification and identification, labeling and categorizing, observation and recording.

The real art is in explaining the trick, otherwise it is just magic. When you realize how the magic is done without breaking physical laws, then you really appreciate and even admire the magician. At that point you have achieved enlightenment and can say, you are the greatest magician, God.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
June 7, 2015 2:27 am

These are undefined. (Dorm-room definition: “Space is what keeps everything from being in the same place. Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.”) — from the article

Prof Pangloss once said that Thomas Aquinas said, “God invented Time so that things could change.”
I can’t find that quote in Google.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 7, 2015 3:46 am

The distinction that I hold between science and religion is as follows:

Religion is front-loaded with facts. The world works some particular way because some guy says so and other people believe him. There is no need for new data, or even a better explanation of the way the world works, because the inevitable answer to every question is “God did it.”

Empiricism is simply a means to find truth. It is not the only means to find the truth, but it is methodical and evidence based, thus any empirical fact holds up to rigorous scrutiny. There is always room for new data, or better data, or even a complete revision of data that was completely held to be true. As facts change, conclusions drawn from those facts change.

The failure of empiricism is that it is ultimately a human system. It is subject to error and manipulation. Part of the peer review process is to ensure that pseudoscientific processes are not allowed to flourish, whether they be poticially motivated, such as Keynesian economics or Lysenkoism, or just an elaborate con or hoax engineered for profit and renown.

The failure of religion is that it is ultimately a human system that has no such safeguards against error and manipulation. I’ll happily take science over faith, any day of the week, at least until something better comes along.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 7, 2015 4:05 am

Anonymous says:

The distinction that I hold between science and religion is as follows:

Religion is front-loaded with facts. The world works some particular way because some guy says so and other people believe him. There is no need for new data, or even a better explanation of the way the world works, because the inevitable answer to every question is “God did it.”

Empiricism is simply a means to find truth. It is not the only means to find the truth, but it is methodical and evidence based, thus any empirical fact holds up to rigorous scrutiny. There is always room for new data, or better data, or even a complete revision of data that was completely held to be true. As facts change, conclusions drawn from those facts change.

The failure of empiricism is that it is ultimately a human system. It is subject to error and manipulation. Part of the peer review process is to ensure that pseudoscientific processes are not allowed to flourish, whether they be poticially motivated, such as Keynesian economics or Lysenkoism, or just an elaborate con or hoax engineered for profit and renown.

The failure of religion is that it is ultimately a human system that has no such safeguards against error and manipulation. I’ll happily take science over faith, any day of the week, at least until something better comes along.
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I believe that religion is about man reaching to god and not the opposite. Having said that it doesn’t mean that god doesn’t exist. I still think that zoroastrianism is the most “rational” approach to god that man has devised, in that it is completely in conformity to what we know about science. It does have it’s problems, though. Not everyone wants to have the body of their grandmother consumed by vultures and crows.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 7, 2015 6:16 am

Science can attempt to explain life, but it does not tell you how to live. Science is simply a tool for understanding the world. That understanding can allow you to affect the world around you, for good or ill.

Organised religion is a tool for influencing people. That influence can be a positive thing for the individuals, small groups and/or societies. It can be a negative thing, especially when one group uses the tool of religion to benefit at the expense of another.

If a priest wants to lecture the faithful on how to be better, happer people, good for them, I don’t care. If a priest wants to lecture an engineer on how to build a bridge, a doctor on how to practice medicine, or a farmer on how to look after their land, then the priest had better have a background of applied knowledge to back up their sermon, or the bridge will collapse, the patient will die and the crops will rot in the field.

For that matter, scientists should not play at being priests,.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
June 7, 2015 2:30 pm

Anonymous says: The distinction that I hold between science and religion is as follows: Religion is front-loaded with facts.

Which came first religion or science? Religion is the answer to man’s search for meaning in a pre-packaged program. Any society can devise a framework that explains life’s mysteries. When the framework fails, a new branch is added. Eventually the framework is overloaded with gods, sprites, fairies and unicorns.

There comes a time when a higher thinking individual seeks to trim the overgrown branches to something less complicated; a unifying theory of the theology. Moralists and proponents of righteousness join in the crusade. They say, first we must throw out the evil gods; the gods of lust and immorality, of fornication and homosexuality, the gods of greed and gluttony..

Then the civic minded say, let’s throw out the alcoholic mongers and the moochers and loafers. And the dispossessed say lets throw out the robbers and thieves and burglars and rapists and murderers..

The sick say, let’s throw out the poisoners and infectious, the unclean and unwashed..

And they cut and trim and hew and chop until the entire framework is gone. But they find the one true god they cannot destroy, the sine qua non and the ex post facto that redefines everything.