D DAY – JUNE 6, 1944

The last time Americans fought in a constitutionally declared war.

Crazy fucking stoopid.

It’s been 71 years today since my Grandfather hit Omaha beach in the first wave.With memories of him I watched a flim today that shed light on another part of the war.A part I was not familiar with .A part that if true has not changed my view of my Grandfather but has changed my opinion of the American political and military leaders.Especially what was done to the Germany people following the war.Sickening is the only way to describe it.

You can watch it on YouTube….. HELLSTORM :The death of Nazi Germany 1944-1947 .by Thomas Goodrich …… Stucky , you need to watch this.Billy to

bb, PRI, yes, you are right for once. It is sickening.

If this flim is true which I think it is based on the research I did today then what our leaders did was a planned genocide of people of Germany decent. Especially the years of 45-47.National rape ,plunder , looting and mass starvation of millions of people. Civilians and POWs.Interestingly General Patton was the only one that spoke out against what was being planned.

Sometimes I think everything I have learned about history are half truths ,falsehoods and outright lies. The propaganda bullshit coming from media seems almost demonic at times.It has but one purpose:to deceive.

Z, agreed. The Madagascar solution is little known, and for good reason.

Kokoda, you admire bomber Harris? Really? Do explain. And Churchill was a drunk, no? Roosevelt was up to his ears in traitors no?

Archie…your Bomber Harris request: as I already stated, you start a war that kills millions upon millions of INNOCENT people, your country deserve Hell on Earth rained upon you.
Churchill – he was a drunk: I could care less. What the fuck has that got to do with the subject.
Roosevelt: don’t know what you are referencing.

Z…..so the act of the initiation of killing innocents isn’t the defining point. Wonderful thinking on your part.

Kokoda ,watch the flim and you will see the rape ,plunder , looting and mass starvation tookplace after Germany surrendered. Many Germany POWs were rounded up and just left out in the elements. This was planned by Eisenhower and the other political and military leaders from America, England and Russia. Remember , it was planned destruction of Germany as a people. Raping of the German women was planned Government policy especially with the cruelty of the Russian military.

To all, the flim is worth your time.It will forever change your opinion of Eisenhower.I know it’s history and it’s been 70+years but it will open your eyes.

Z….my last comment on this:
I started with your link; the 1st one I came across was Rense doing an interview about the book – after 15 min, I just couldn’t listen any further.

As far as the treatment of Germans (real or not) – I don’t give a fuck. Tough shit. My reasons are stated in my prior posts – if you can’t absorb those reasons, write your touchy-feely nonsense to someone else.

BTW: Japs in WWII: Too bad we released the two nuclear bombs. I personally would have preferred to keep fire-bombing their wooden shack cities until their entire country was burned to a crisp.

Patton despised the politically driven circus and the media minions that carried out their dirty work. Still, he continued to speak out against the Russians as an American witness to their brutality during and after the war. As Stalin devoured Eastern Europe, Patton remarked, “I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them… …the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.”

to bad it was an unnecessary invasion that resulted in the loss of so many indoctrinated gullible young men’s lives.

AIR WAR COLLEGE RESEARCH REPORT

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/NoOverlord/index.html

OVERLORD: The Unnecessary Invasion

by

Lt Col William F. Moore

AIR UNIVERSITY
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE
MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE, ALABAMA

APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED

CONCLUSION

The massive allied invasion of Normandy in June 1944 was not necessary for the military defeat of Germany. The German Army had already been destroyed on the eastern front, and the German war industry was being devastated by the combined bombing offensive. According to Trumbull Higgins,

When the British were finally compelled by their Allies to invade France in 1944, it was an invasion essentially undertaken in the self-interest of the West, the terrible risk of the collapse of the Soviet Union having long since passed. At this date the Red Army no longer needed more than Western supplies with which to occupy eastern Europe. (4:283)

The Normandy invasion was simply too late to be of meaningful assistance to the Russians. In fact, Stalin had conceded that is was no longer necessary.

Furthermore, many capable allied strategists knew that OVERLORD was no longer required and recommended against it. Why were these recommendations not heeded, especially since they would have resulted in greatly reduced British and American casualties? Two considerations cannot be ignored. First was the sheer momentum behind the OVERLORD planning. American planners had placed all their European “eggs” in this basket, they had been advocating OVERLORD against the British for over two years, and they were unwilling to concede to the British position in late 1943. Secondly, American leaders, including Roosevelt, felt that unless American forces took a significant (albeit late) share in defeating the German Army, the Russians would be entirely uncooperative in the post-war world and probably would

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not assist in defeating the Japanese. The British were much less concerned about Russian sensitivities, feeling instead that their post-war interests would be better served by strengthening and conserving their armed forces rather than squandering them on the beaches of Normandy.

OVERLORD was not a military necessity; it was an unnecessary military gamble that could easily have failed. In retrospect, it is impossible to understand why American strategists were so committed to it. This commitment itself is evidence of serious strategic inflexibility. American planners either could not or would not adjust to the realities of the European theater in late 1943 and early 1944. Having already made the investment in a strategic bombing force that, in combination with the Russian Army, could have defeated Germany in a matter of months, why did the US not unleash the bombers and turn its attention to the Pacific theater? Why did US strategists not accept British recommendations for a less risky Mediterranean/Balkan strategy that would have left the western forces in a much more favorable post-war position relative to the Russians? The answers to these questions have political as well as military dimensions. President Roosevelt believed he could buy Stalin’s post-war cooperation. When Stalin expressed his final preference for OVERLORD at Tehran, he essentially allowed American political and military strategy to coalesce. OVERLORD was what the Russians still wanted and it was what Gen Marshall had always wanted. Roosevelt could not have been more pleased.

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In the final analysis, parochialism cannot be discounted. During World War I American leaders and forces had chafed under the constraints of a strategy developed by Britain. With World War II, America had another opportunity to assert its world leadership role and develop the strategy for victory. Gen Marshall was entirely consistent with the attitudes of the American people and their political leaders when he insisted that OVERLORD, the American plan, would be used to defeat Germany. Furthermore, and perhaps even more important to Gen Marshall, he knew that victory in the Pacific theater would be achieved primarily by Naval and Air forces. Geography alone dictated this. OVERLORD was the last opportunity for the US Army to play a major a rather than a peripheral role in the victory. General Marshall simply would not let such an opportunity pass.

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I am at a loss with the prevailing anti Russia sentimate, have they not backed us up at crucial times, The Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, all crucial Fourth Turning climax’s. I mean the Brits shot us, the French shot us, the Chinesse shot us, the Russians are the least aggressive on the list historically. If they would have not been carrying the whole fucking load on the Eastern Front there would be NO heroics on D Day to revere. They fucking won that war, not us.
Talk of Patton doing this or that is hysterical, insulated moronics.

Bb- your delusional

bb- be safe with the truck

Dill head ,fuck you :now prove me wrong.

I always amazed that none of you dick heads are able to prove me wrong on anything. No matter what topic. Most just try to insult .

Dill doe , who cares. It’s history right ?

Otto, it’s not so much anti-Russian as anti-communist sentiment. I have nothing against the Russian people. However, the soviets, the Bolsheviks, should burn in hell.

Koko, have you ever heard of the venona project/papers? Look into it. How about the autobiography of Whittaker chambers, “Witness”? Ever read about Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? Or Harry dexter white? Or Harry Gold? Or Alger hiss? FDR’s cabinet and administration was packed with soviet agents. Lay off the Cracker Jack box view of WW2. Give revisionists a shot.

You may want to start with speeches given by David Irving, many of which are on YouTube. I am reading his book on the Nuremberg trial, a most disgraceful display of “justice” if there ever were one. I have been having terrible nightmares since delving into this material about 1 year ago. And yet, if you want to understand what’s happening now, it all starts with WW2.

Dill doe ,you have proven nothing …. FOOL …the US was fighting a war on two fronts. The Russians didn’t do anything of important in the Pacific theatre. Sure the Russians fought hard on eastern front but to say they won the war is complete bullshit.. FOOL.

Dill doe ,you was the one that changed the topic dumbass. What did Russia do in the Pacific theatre?Nothing. One reason there was so death on the eastern front was that Stalin was a blood thirsty psychopath. He sent wave after wave into Germany lines knowing the Russian soldiers would be killed. To say that American soldiers didn’t fight some of the bloodiest battles is to completely ignore the Pacific theatre.