So the general consensus yesterday was no alien ship in Roswell. If that is the case, then why, whenever there is an alien sighting, anywhere in the world, even in 3rd world countries with no tv, do the aliens always look the same?
Question of the Day, Oct 14
They didn’t all look the same before the big eyed grey things were popularized worldwide by the media.
For that matter, they don’t all look the same now, it’s just the big eyed things that get publicity. The Reptilians, the Nordic’s, etc. never seem to get much publicity.
I think the big eyed ones just have better press agents than the others,
No one alive today, or alive within 80 generations, saw Jesus Christ in person, and yet most modern depictions of him look basically the same. You can look at this two ways:
1) Jesus existed and had a specific appearance, and is being accurately depicted in all these various formats, perhaps through some sort of divine influence; or
2) All current depictions are heavily modeled on prior depictions that go way back to one specific depiction or a handful of similar ones, so the standard view has converged, regardless of its basis in reality.
Of course, the REAL reason is that all the other forms of alien life were living exclusively in WTC #7, and were de-existentialized at free fall speed. 🙂
Gotta love the last pic.
Gulp, I will admit to a 50% belief in extraterrestrial life forms visiting earth. The main disclaimer is travel distance and time to travel that distance – it would make it almost impossible. They could be living on our planet already, perhaps in the form of cockroaches (or pick a choice, like Hitlery).
An equally relevant question might be — WHY do aliens look like US??? WHY do they have two legs, two arms, and a head? What are the chances that life would evolve in another planet far far away pretty much JUST AS ON EARTH? Answer: Virtually Zero.
Why would alien life be carbon based? Why not, for example, a silicon-based life form …. like that “Horta” on the original Star Trek?
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Aliens always look the same because it’s easier for the movie industry to make movies.
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kokoda says: Gulp, I will admit to a 50% belief in extraterrestrial life forms visiting earth. The main disclaimer is travel distance and time to travel that distance – it would make it almost impossible
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That “travel distance” argument is ridiculous and earth/human-centric. Can’t you be smart enough to imagine forms of travel other than physics as “science” claims to understand it? Consider quantum mechanics and wormholes, for example.
Break out of the box, kokoda.
Rise Up
You will believe just about anything. Right?
Stucky, open minds can learn more than closed ones. We know what you lack.
Rise Up…….I reached Warp Speed a long time ago and my Queller Drive is flaring out.
Frankly, by ignoring reliable UFO eye witnesses here, much less around the world for centuries, even 1500 years counting Hindu sources and if cave art is being interpreted correctly perhaps 5-10,000 years, you are being merely foolish and I am ashamed of your blind ignorance about this (and God). A big reason that serious Jesus paintings look alike from about 50AD is they are based on the Image of Edessa (ref The Definitive Shroud of Turin FAQ). You can brand me a fool and the TBP LOL but you cannot banish The Truth.
“Stucky, open minds can learn more than closed ones. We know what you lack.” —- Rise Up
The thing about an open mind is that you can put ANY SHIT in it that you want ….. which you apparently take great advantage of.
I DO believe in UFOs! There are PLENTY of flying objects which have been, are, and will continue to be “unidentified”.
That doesn’t mean I have to believe in aliens.
People who actually believe aliens have come to earth are about as gullible and foolish as Trufers …. and they are usually one and the same. Remarkable coincidence, no?
robert h siddell jr
You believe in aliens AND God? Fuckin’ HILARIOUS!
Did God create aliens somewhere in Genesis 1 – 2? Did Jesus die to redeem aliens? Or, do all aliens go to heaven?
After somehow traveling ENORMOUS distances across interstellar space (via magic thermite based quantum spaceships) …. WHY DON’T ALIENS ACTUALLY LAND IN A WAY THAT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR TO HUMANITY (as opposed to secret Area 51 type bullshit, or cave-man paintings) and help us the fuck out …. or, for that matter, destroy this shit-hole. hmmmmm?
Crickets …. or, ridicules answers.
I can assure you any flying craft in the sky is very terrestrial. TPTB have spent the last 60 years convincing peeps that we are being visited. ANY craft you know to exist today is most likely technology from 70 years ago, and that’s a fact.
Stucky, maybe they’re here to observe? Maybe they monitor us and know most couldn’t handle it? Besides, what is crystal clear to humanity? We don’t know that it hasn’t been tried.
Do we know the aliens on other planets don’t have their own Bible? Hmmm…
Of course, the distances involved in interstellar travel are a huge obstacle–but the physics of faster-than-light travel are known (wormholes, warped space drives, etc)…however, the question rarely brought up is this: How would aliens find us?
SETI began broadcasting messages in around 1960…55 years ago and well after Roswell. Any aliens that could listen would have to be within 55 light years of Earth. The Milky Way galaxy is 100,000 light years across. By volume that would mean our message would have reached (55^3/100000^3) = .0000000166% of our own galaxy.
So, you say, they just found us..how? A random sweep? Imagine examining every single grain of sand on a very long beach with a magnifying glass, looking for a particular mark…you are still not even close!
I find it hilarious that the stealth bomber was designed after Rodak’s ship in Goldar and the Space Giants.
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Ancient Aliens Debunked is a 3 hour refutation of the theories proposed on the History Channel series Ancient Aliens …. by a person who once believed in that stuff lock, stock & barrel.
It is demonstrated that Ancient Alien Believers are not wrong on just some information, but ON EVERY SINGLE POINT where they assert the Ancient Astronaut theory to explain evidence. You will see the often deceptive means they use to convey their ideas, which includes them fabricating evidence to substantiate their points.
It is essentially a point by point critique of the “ancient astronaut theory” which has been proposed by people like Erich von Däniken and Zecharia Sitchin as well as many others.
The film covers topics like ancient building sites: Puma Punku, The Pyramids, Baalbek, Incan sites, And Easter Island. Ancient artifacts: Pacal’s rocket, the Nazca lines, the Tolima “fighter jets”, the Egyptian “light bulb”, Ufo’s in ancient art, and the crystal skulls. Ancient text issues: Ezekiel’s wheel, Ancient nuclear warfare, Vimana’s, the Anunnaki, and the Nephilim.
Here’s the website; http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/
Here’s the movie;
Considering the distances between stars, the ability to travel to our nearest star: Alpha Centuri is about 4 light years. The speed of light is absolute. Nothing travels faster than light. As their craft approaches c the mass is exponentially increasing ( F=ma ) – thus need more and more energy to continue the acceleration. Even if they could travel at light speed – it would take 4 years – and with time dilation when they return ‘home’ it will be many, many years into the future, while the aliens have only been gone 8 years.
It’s not possible.
“…. what is crystal clear to humanity?” ——— Back in PA Mike
Park that fuckin’ spaceship right in the middle of the runway at Newark International Airport!! I’ll go to Ikea, have a coffee and a horse-meat hotdog, look across the Turnpike, and I PROMISE you I’ll say — “Yup, I do believe in mothefuckin’ aliens!!”.
DRUD once again shows his superior logic and intellect.
So do Bea and Dutchman. I’m not sure about Mike, but I think there’s hope for him.
Stucky has a good point that never occurred to me – why don’t they land (and either shake our dicks or vaporize us).
Dutchman – Yes, the speed of light is absolute per Special Relativity, but that is a LOCAL constraint. General Relativity allows for the warping of Space (or more accurately spacetime). In other words, velocity may remain constant, but DISTANCES become shorter…fucked up to think about, impossible to visualize, but to the best of our knowledge true…backed up by decades of experiments and engineered into GPS satellites (as well as other technologies) which require adjustment to time synchronization to account for both Special and General Relativity.
I the son of the rancher back in 1980 in Roswell. He cowrote “he Roswell Incident”. I believe him.
I wasn’t aroundtheother thread about “if you believe in aliens” so maybe this was already brought up. The biggest reasonI don’t believe we have been visited is because we as humans STILL EXIST as a free species(ya, I know, we are not free, govt and all that stuff, another subject for another time). Look throughout history and find me a single example of a time when a highly advanced species found a primitive species(which we would most definitely be primitive compared to any species that has mastered interstellar travel) that ended well for that existing primative species. There are ZERO examples of that ending well for the indigs. In this case, that would be US.
Do we, as a species, feel bad about destroying a bunch of baboon’s habitat if we need/want a resource in the soil underneath? absolutely not, and neither would they. Our problems on earth are very much human caused, the people fucking us all are not lizard people or any other such silliness, but mortal men, and this kind of shit is just a distraction. If I was bernanke, or jamie dimon, or a rothschild, the govt, whatever, you get the point- I would subtly encourage belief in such nonsense, since if you truly believe you are ruled by a secret race of lizards you can’t get to, you are a lot less likely to do anything about it than if you believed you were ruled by evil men and women.
Gator
That’s an interesting observation.
However, a species that has mastered interstellar travels …. I wonder which Earth resources they could possible want, or need?
Why would superior intellect beings come here to this freak show of fukwits and 80 IQ tards. If they are here T4C, they are here to do a documentary titled “How Not To Run A Planet”. Maybe we are a weekly comedy show in another galaxy……………hope we don’t get cancelled.
I have a non-supernatural theory on why aliens look very similar across cultures.
Big head, flat-colored eyes, no hair, round body, skinny limbs, and silvery/translucent skin…that pretty much describes what a stillborn baby looks like.
It’s always a traumatic event, and might be why that image pops up. And also explains why so many alien stories involve false pregnancy or other sexual imagery.
Anyone see last year’s mediocre sci-fi movie “Jupiter Ascending”? It’s basically schlock, but raises some interesting questions nonetheless.
As for the absolutist claims about travel times – that is what we know within one subset of physics and the constraints of our technology. Other subsets of physics don’t consistently agree with special relativity and it’s certain that we don’t yet have a full understanding of physics, or the universe.
Newtonian physics worked very well within the limits of its time. Special relativity was a huge leap* from Newtonian physics. Don’t be surprised if another huge leap happens in the next few decades.
*ignorant people like to call this a “quantum leap”, but if you have any idea what that is, you realize it’s either full retard, or deliberately ironic.
You can’t be a Christian … not in the traditional sense … AND believe in aliens. The two simply don’t mix, from a theological aspect (again, via traditional Christianity). Pick one, or the other, but not both.
Stucky- Is the alien BS part of the much anticipated ” Fake,fake,fake America” article? If not it should be………….can’t wait to read that one, seriously. In order to get REAL we must first expose what is not.
Good point Stucky . I believe it all (aliens , UFOs ,entities , so called space beings ) are just different forms of demonic Deception. These beings always try to lead people away from Christ and True Christian Doctrine.
@Persnickety: “Other subsets of physics don’t consistently agree with special relativity”
Obviously, one can never say never. However much of what goes for physics today is more like philosophy. If X exists then it implies Y.
The Einstein-Rosen Bridge (worm hole) exists hypothetically. The amount of energy required (gravitational) would probably need a couple of suns. And then they need ‘exotic’ matter to keep it open. Further, the astronauts would experience such a time dilatation, that they would return 10’s of thousands of years in the future.
If there are beings capable of doing that, why the hell would they want to come here?
Another poster was talking about evolution. One of the biggest proofs of evolution is the ‘common ancestor’. Note that birds / reptiles / fish / mammals all have similar organs: hearts / ears / stomachs / etc. etc.
Stucky-
However, a species that has mastered interstellar travels …. I wonder which Earth resources they could possible want, or need?
Think of how advanced we would look to civilization from 200 years ago. Assuming the fucktards running things don’t wind up killing us all, what technological wonders await in another 200 years? It doesn’t really matter, all of those things require resources. Who knows what kind of uses a highly advanced civilization would have for some of our rare earth minerals.
Unless Bernie sanders is right, and we really CAN power the future with unicorn farts(and these aliens have figured out how) they will need rare metals and minerals to construct their society. Which is why I’m confident we haven’t been visited- we still exist as a semi free species.
Although I will say this, if I have learned anything since starting down this rabbit hole of bullshit it’s that anything is possible.
Mark Passio, http://www.whatonearthishappening.com presents a series called “Cosmic Abandonment”
This video from youtube is a little over 2 hours long and goes into his material fairly well, although his podcasts cover this topic in much greater depth.
His theory sounds totally apeshit crazy on the surface. Basically, the human species came about as a result of genetic tinkering by the annunaki because they needed better labor to mine gold from the earth. We do not know why the annunaki needed the gold. So, we were slave miners many millenia ago and created as a result of a biology experiment.
Instead of just jumping to the conclusion that’s it’s batshit crazy, give this guy a listen. He at least makes some salient points, and I think his material is worth considering.
I presented proof yesterday regarding General Twining and his investigation of what occurred in Roswell but apparently that wasn’t enough for some of you. BTW, among real UFO researchers, the topic is settled, UFO’s are real and they’re not from Earth. Here’s more, with a link at the bottom courtesy of the FOIA:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been requested to assist in the investigation of reported sightings of flying disks…
EDGAR HOOVER
FBI Director
Handwritten note to Clyde Tolson
“An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers about 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall. Dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture, each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.” July 15, 1947
To: J. Edgar Hoover FBI Director
Memo to J. Edgar Hoover from the Washington FBI Office, March 22, 1950, Released in 1976 under the FOIA
Edgar Hoover hand written note at bottom of now declassified memo stated:
“I would do it [aid the Army Air Force in its investigations] but before agreeing to it we must insist upon full access to the discs recovered. For instance in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination.”
“…. among real UFO researchers, the topic is settled, …” ——- Westcoaster
Kinda like among real Globull Climate researchers, the top is settled, eh?
Every day I say to myself — “Self, this is the day that Westcoaster won’t say even more stupid shit than yesterday.”
And every day you prove me wrong.
A lot of questions and a dearth of provable answers. I believe our current knowledge of all laws of science and materials is about 50 centuries old and we didn’t even start grasping electronics until about a hundred years ago; we really know very little. Majestic12 has reverse engineered UFOs within the last 50 years (which proves nothing to resolute doubters that UFOs ever even existed) but what about before 1947? I saw my first UFO up close about 1973 but videos that prove UFO/Aliens are fiction can almost convince me. I liken UFOs to ghosts which have also been reported by countless people since the dawn of consciousness and which I also believe exist; but does anyone have a piece of a ghost to prove anything or do they frequently clearly manifest in public for videos and walk through objects or jump into people and make them act crazy to prove themselves? Surely some are demons but not all (angels must also be a type of ghost). Is Heaven a couple light years away and they travel at v=1,000,000c? Humans are one species and almost infinitely complex but aliens are said to be 50 different species. Much about UFOs and ghosts will remain more mysterious than God for a long time. As for doing a study on them, I think we have much bigger and more pressing problems.
It’s because we are more likely to look for life that looks similar to us. Most life is carbon-based considering the basis of life is made up of three of the five most common elements (hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon) in the universe. The other two being helium (which makes up the majority of the sun) and neon, both being noble gases thus chemically inert.
Another interesting aspect is how all water arrived on Earth through comets and asteroids. Considering all lifeforms need both water and oxygen it’s curious that maybe life didn’t begin on Earth at all. There have been many theories about bacteria and one cell organisms traveled to earth on those comets and asteroids.
Particularity, I like Robert Frost’s (Instructor and Flight Coordinator at NASA) answer about carbon based life:
“Is it possible that life elsewhere might not be carbon-based? Certainly. But it is more likely that it is carbon-based. Why? Chemistry.
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I’ve highlighted a column in the periodic table, with a red border. Carbon is at the top of this column. Carbon is the lightest, most abundant, element with four valence electrons in a shell capable of eight. That means a carbon atom can form four covalent bonds while nitrogen (to its right) can form three and oxygen (to nitrogen’s right) can form two. Here is a diagram of methane, an example of carbon using all four bonds.
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Carbon can also form double bonds, allowing strong (but not so strong the molecules can’t change), complex, branching molecules, like this butene molecule.
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This means carbon is a light and abundant element capable of forming very complex and flexible molecules. Life is complex. Life needs to be flexible to survive.
But what about the other elements in the red box? Well, there is something called the double bond rule that says period 3 and below do not readily form double bonds. If they do, the bonds are weak. So, the lower we go down that column the less likely life can form based on that element. Silicon can form double bonds with itself, forming diselenes which are unstable. Silicon is a possibility for life, but far less likely than carbon. Science fiction authors like to use it, such as in the Star Trek episode, Devil in the Dark, where the crew of the Enterprise met the silicon-based Horta.
So, the primary reason we look for carbon-based life is that it is more likely to exist. But the secondary reason is that we know what it looks like. There might be other life out there that is not carbon-based, but it might be so foreign to us that we wouldn’t recognize it as life.”
SS: all lifeforms need both water and oxygen…I think there are chemotrophic and anaerobic organisms that can live without oxygen. Otherwise, good article.
Siddell: I said water and oxygen because there are lifeforms that do not need oxygen but need water which is comprised of oxygen.
Missed the other thread, but these are things I “know.”
1. The Bible, as well as other ancient teachings, state that angels/lessor gods have come to earth and interacted, even mated, with humans. Maybe aliens are our ancestors keeping tabs on us, which might explain the humanoid similarities.
2. I once worked with a man whom previously worked at Area 51 during his military career. No matter how hard I tried he would NOT speak of the things he saw/participated in. He did say, repeatedly, that we were being deceived and lied to by the government concerning it. He also said, “I don’t have to’believe’ in things I know and have seen.”
3. Audio tapes of our space missions from the 60s were released. Astronauts, more than once/one mission, make comments about, “they are here, ” “they’re watching us.” One of them actually uses the word “aliens” and mission control immediately issues the order for the craft to switch to the secure channel. No tapes from the secure channel have ever been released.
4. The government denied, for years, that there was even a base at Area 51. Even though you could SEE it. Clinton went so far as to deny its existence officially in the court case that former employees had brought against the government thanks to exposures to toxins that made them sick. The plaintiffs’ attorney repeatedly asked the judge how it is possible to SEE something that doesn’t exist? This doesn’t prove aliens, but it sure makes one question what could be going on there?
As to why they don’t just show up, do we really need to think hard about this? Between Religion and science, we humans have proven we are easily swayed and quick to destroy that which we don’t understand, I wouldn’t show my face either.
We are very frightened and self limiting creatures, in the whole. Adventurers, big thinkers, and trail blazers are really quite rare, rarer than most of us believe them to be.
I know I twice saw things in the skies that defied our known limitations of physics and technology. It doesn’t matter, to me, that others may think my beliefs “out there.” I know what I saw.
The only thing I truly know is I don’t/can’t know everything and even the smartest man on earth has much to learn.
Peace all.
“The Bible … states that angels/lessor gods have come to earth and interacted, even mated, with humans.” ——- TE
No problem with the visitations. But, regarding the mating …
In Mt:22:30 Jesus says — “For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”
I take that to mean angels don’t have weenies or ‘ginnies. Aaaand, once humans get to heaven, they may still have weenies & ‘ginnies BUT THEY AIN’T GONNA BE PUT TO USE.
Also, mankind and angels are two entirely DIFFERENT species. DNA matters. It would be like a man mating with a lobster …. which may be possible only if your name is “bb”.
Just my opinion, and I’m not married to it.