Submitted by Hardscrabble Farmer
NASA footage of the Moon passing in front of the Earth by a satellite called DSCOVR (pronounced “disco-veer”)
According to NASA it was taken 1 million miles from Earth and shows the dark side of the moon as it passes between the Sun and Earth on July 28, 2015.
Can you see any problems with this video or are you completely satisfied that what you are viewing is in fact authentic?
I’ve seen time lapse photos of “earth” from nasa that cover a 24 hour period in which the clouds never move. Do they ever move in this particular span? They don’t appear to…nasa sucks…
Stephanie, do you see the steady glow at the center of the Earth in that NASA footage? What is causing it? When the Moon passes between the source of that light and the planet, what would you imagine would happen? Your image of the Solar eclipse looks to be exactly what I would imagine to be taking place as the Moon makes it’s transit across the sunlit face of the Earth, yet it doesn’t. I’m sure someone is going to explain it to me, but using the two things I have to work with, the NASA footage and my eyes, I can’t come up with any plausible explanation for why it wouldn’t.
Here is a NASA illustration of where the satellite is located in relation to the Moon, the Sun and Earth. It seems pretty self explanatory, yet for some reason, the expected phenomenon does not take place.
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“Maybe, but I am asking reasonable questions.”
You really aren’t.
Agreed, it looks dodgy but I think it probably represents the real deal.
At first blush I would have expected to see The Moon rotate slightly, since our perspective is constant here, unlike our view from earth. But doing some quick and dirty maths, I figure we’re seeing The Moon travel approx. 2 degrees (of its 360 degree orbit) or so. That would be a barely discernible 1/180th of a revolution.
i watched this video dozens of times in slow motion . I swear i saw a Death Ray with a sign that said “Destroy Earth 25 Cents ” .
HSF
I’m calling bullshit. You imply that I have swallowed everything I have been told by government hook line and sinker. What are you trying to do here? I don’t believe everything I read or hear. I think current climate debate is bullshit. Mainly because it has been swept up by government as a way to control people. Scare them! But I have taken upon myself to read about Maunder Minimum and solar cycles. Not because I think of myself as an expert on climate. But because I am a skeptic. But you question everything. For what underlying purpose you won’t say.
Are you a creationist?
But to view everything in world as being false is juvenile. You were dishonest posting this video montage without context. Why should I have to run around with an argument when I am not sure what the parameters are for debate. I didn’t assemble this time lapse. If you have a question about this then you should forward it to NASA. But you are not going to do this. Why. Well that’s obvious. You for some reason think that everyone who works there is part of some conspiracy to mislead you and everyone. How sad for someone writes so well to think like this.
Maggie, this one?
http://www.awi.de/en/expedition/stations/neumayer-station-iii/artikel/webcam.html
I remember it from this essay a few years ago:
http://drsircus.com/medicine/unbelievable-events-antarctica/
“Maybe, but I am asking reasonable questions.”
You really aren’t.
-TPC
So NASA places a satellite between the Sun and the Moon, takes images of it passing directly above the Earth- you can see the sunshine on the surface of the Earth, but it’s unreasonable to ask why it doesn’t cast a shadow?
You lost me.
” You imply that I have swallowed everything I have been told by government hook line and sinker.”
Rob, I’ll take full blame for being inarticulate, but at NO TIM E have I ever suggested any such thing. Okay? You obviously know a great deal more than most of us about your field and I think that’s great, I wish you could share it with a tad less hostility as I have never been anything but helpful and gracious towards you as far as I can recall. I am starting to ask questions TO WHICH I DO NOT HAVE SATISFACTORY ANSWERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MY OWN EDIFICATION. End of message.
I’m not shit stirring, I certainly don’t have a reputation for being anything other than call it like I see it, but I am now in a territory where my questions are provoking almost hysterical responses, the very last thing I would have imagined from science minded folks. Authority doesn’t work on me, I don’t believe any given unless I can replicate it or find a way to make sense of it where it doesn’t contradict what I know to be the truth. Sorry, character flaw I suppose.
I can always go back to writing the other stuff, I thought this was fascinating and worth the discussion. I don’t come here to piss people off and I don’t plan on starting.
Again, its a matter of perspective. I am not saying the video is definitely “real”–and I must use quotes, because, necessarily it would be a digital image (a bunch of ones and zeros) transmit over a million miles of free space then reassembled in a way to make visual sense to our eyes–but this would HAVE to have been taken during a solar eclipse–but clearly one that could only be seen by a few islands in the South Pacific. And the Moon does cast a shadow on the earth. It is just smaller than the Moon itself due tor perspective. A camera can make a beetle look bigger than a barn with the proper perspective. The moon is so much closer to the satellite than the earth and at 93 million miles the sun is a point source of light. The shadow the moon casts is much smaller than the moon itself. Perspective.
HSF: “Stephanie, do you see the steady glow at the center of the Earth in that NASA footage? What is causing it? When the Moon passes between the source of that light and the planet, what would you imagine would happen? Your image of the Solar eclipse looks to be exactly what I would imagine to be taking place as the Moon makes it’s transit across the sunlit face of the Earth, yet it doesn’t. I’m sure someone is going to explain it to me, but using the two things I have to work with, the NASA footage and my eyes, I can’t come up with any plausible explanation for why it wouldn’t.”
It’s not a glow, it’s a shade. It’s dark which makes perfect sense to me considering a few things. It’s very likely the camera is picking up on a faint shadow considering it aligns with the moons movement and 6 weeks later there was a solar eclipse. I would image the camera on the satellite was powerful enough to pick up on the shadow. I can’t be sure because I don’t know the specifics of the camera used.
“So NASA places a satellite between the Sun and the Moon, takes images of it passing directly above the Earth- you can see the sunshine on the surface of the Earth, but it’s unreasonable to ask why it doesn’t cast a shadow?”
Who says the satellite was directly above the moon? It looks to me like there’s an angle of either the satellite or the camera considering it was a crescent moon.
“It’s not a glow, it’s a shade.”
The circular area that is brighter than any other spot for the entire duration of that animation in the center of the globe is not a glow, it’s a shade?
I have no idea what you mean.
HSF: “I’m not shit stirring, I certainly don’t have a reputation for being anything other than call it like I see it, but I am now in a territory where my questions are provoking almost hysterical responses, the very last thing I would have imagined from science minded folks. ”
You getting these “hysterical” responses because you were vague and didn’t post additional information. As well as you’re speculating authenticity before (as DRUD pointed out) perspective. It took 50+ comments before you articulated an actual question of what you were speculating about (again, authenticity over perspective). It took 50 comments of back and forth to answer simple perspective questions about astronomy of how planets move, eclipses, and information about the satellite and camera.
I don’t know why I have to do this but I am. Hopefully the evil person named Rob will get back to me. See it isn’t hard.
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Where are the stars in that clip?
HSF – The moon, sun, and Earth aren’t all orbiting on the same plane, in a straight line. The Moon’s axis is tilted.
Due to this tilt, there are only a couple of distinct points in the moon’s orbit (known as nodes) where the moon eclipses (obstructs) the Earth’s view of the sun, and generates a shadow on the surface of our planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_node
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“The circular area that is brighter than any other spot for the entire duration of that animation in the center of the globe is not a glow, it’s a shade?”
There’s a dark spot (shade) surrounded by a hue (or what you’re calling a glow) and I’m pretty sure it’s not an island. My guess is the camera picked up on a slight amount of shadow cast from the moon due to the alignment of the sun, the angle (and high resolution of the camera) of the satellite, and because the images were taken 6 weeks before a solar eclipse. The 6 weeks prior indicates to me that the camera just picked up on a slight shadow that the naked eye probably wouldn’t be able to see.
I’m hostile because Flat earth and Expanding earth are completely retarded. Invective responded in kind. And I would like to point out that I didn’t become rude until cz accused everyone who didn’t think like him of being sheeple. And you are shit stirring. At least be honest about that.
Posing as “Martha Francis” on another website, hardscrabble farmer discovers that Google Earth is bullshit and fears that Earth probably doesn’t even exist.
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My Dear Ms Shepherd: I said: “I forgot to say the moon should be bright as a headlight but it looks like it is in a shadow.” You said:”Because the image shows the dark side of the moon. The entire point of the images”. ….. In that video, the earth is fully lit and the side of the moon facing the sun (the “Dark Side”) should be fully lit too. In the video, the side of the moon that is facing the earth would be dark. The term “Dark Side of the Moon” does not refer to it’s brilliance/darkness (which depends on whether the “Dark Side” faces the sun and is bright as in the video or 14 days later when the “Dark Side” is facing away from he sun and is dark) but rather to the fact that it is always unseen from earth (dark = mysterious, unknown).
No I am not completely satisfied that it is authentic. Aside from the perspective being hard to grasp, the 5 hour time span shows no cloud formation changes. I would expect a subtle change at minimum.
“In that video, the earth is fully lit and the side of the moon facing the sun (the “Dark Side”) should be fully lit too.”
Do you not get the concept of “dark side of the moon”? It’s not going to be bright. The Earth fully lit as you said because the Earth has a massive amount of water on it’s surface that we call oceans. These oceans reflect light from the Sun.
“You getting these “hysterical” responses because you were vague and didn’t post additional information”
Stephanie,
I didn’t articulate it because A) I wanted to see if anyone else caught it without me having to spell it out B) I haven’t got an explanation for what I’m seeing, it’s completely counter to anything I have ever experienced when it comes to something passing between a light source and another object and C) I was curious after yesterday what the “science” crowd was going to do- yesterday it got fairly hot over what would have been under any other circumstances a enjoyable repartee. All those hours in the lab must pent up a lot of frustration and hostility. If that qualifies as shit stirring, then I guess I’m guilty. If intent comes into it, innocent of all charges.
If the pic was taken in July (not released) then the tilt should be toward the the sun. also the moon appears to travel in a straight line, I am thinking that the moon should look like it is growing as it passes directly in front of the camera.
“And you are shit stirring. At least be honest about that.”
See my post above. Zero intent.
HSF- That glowing area in the center among other things is why I said it looked like a bad animation as this would not make sense.
Indentured Servant is the in-house astronomy expert at TBP. He is usually quick to fall for any smoke and mirrors TPTB dish out but I would still like to hear his opinion.
“I didn’t articulate it because A) I wanted to see if anyone else caught it without me having to spell it out B) I haven’t got an explanation for what I’m seeing, it’s completely counter to anything I have ever experienced when it comes to something passing between a light source and another object and”
I saw it from the beginning and it didn’t strike me as strange because the spot moves as the image moves and isn’t seen when directly above the mood indicating to me a shadow. There is a faint dark spot surrounded by a hue. Which is perfectly reasonable considering the ocean reflects light and accounting for the atmosphere. I really don’t get what your saying isn’t a reasonable explanation. While I don’t have a science degree I did go to art school and have full knowledge of shades, light, hue, and colors. I think your approaching this from too logical of a perspective as oppose to a creative perspective. Play with the image and movement in your mind for awhile. Visualize the movements until you come up with an answer.
YES!!!! Thanks.
If you say so.
HSF I have been respectful towards you in my posts today. Haven’t cursed you because you haven’t cursed me and it will stay that way. I’ll be nice when people are nice to me. Even when you accused me of being gullible for not questioning everything. I’ll let you have that one But I should be allowed to point things out. Just because you are a nice person doesn’t mean I have to agree with you. And I still question your motives.
Now the title of this post is
What’s wrong with this picture.
What are we doing here playing Jeopardy? Then you stand back in shocked disbelief when the train wreck happens. Is your purpose in asking question to advance science or deconstruct it. I have made my opinion clear. You disagree. Fine then. We disagree.
“I fucking quit this thread.”
No, wait Steph. You didn’t even mention my comment yet. Mine was just way more retarded than any of the ones you’re quittin over.
@Ed, you get a special video response.
“I swear i saw a Death Ray with a sign that said “Destroy Earth 25 Cents ” .”
Thank you, Buckhed. I’m glad you mentioned it first because I didn’t want to say anything. You know how they get.
Oh, yeah. I always knew I was special.
Maggie, you are welcome for the antarctica links. Just curious did you get around to digging up rabbit books/info. I may have missed it.
Off topic.
WTF????? For YEARS I’ve been posting Youtube vids by right-clicking on the vid and selecting “Copy Video URL” …. (and then just pasting it in wordpress).
It was there yesterday. Today, that copy function is GONE. Got all kinds of other bullshit options though.
Anyone else? So, how in the fuck do you copy and paste Youtube vids NOW?
fuck shit. Ok lemme try something …
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Comments here are another classic example of this:
Stucky- Try Ctrl+C to copy and Ctrl+V for past instead of using your mouse. You don’t have to right click on the video, you can just highlight the URL address and Ctrl+C to copy it. I didn’t have a problem posting the video above.
Shitwow. That was easy enough! And here I am trying to figure out all these fucking “share” and “embed” codes that google searches said I must do. Fucken cocksuckers!!!
THANKS, Steph!
” Is your purpose in asking question to advance science or deconstruct it.”
Rob, since it’s a NASA vid, I don’t think either effect on science would even be possible. Just sayin. 😉
Anyway … I just thought it would be nice for folks to listen to “Dark Side Of The Moon” ……… while trying to slog through these painful-to-read posts about the dark side of the moon.
Yikes. I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something new…but all I have learned is that some folks don’t like to communicate clearly and directly, and that everyone likes to argue.
Not exactly what I was hoping to learn.
@Stucky,
I had fun. It’s been awhile since I’ve argued in the comments.
Maybe there is a problem with this. This satellite sits between the Sun and the Earth. Should that not mean the tilt of the Earth is in the direction of the Sun? In the vid., the Earth’s tilt is visible through its axis. What I mean is, what we should see is the Earth “straight up and down”, with either both poles showing, or progressing towards winter / summer, with more of one pole than the other showing.
Stephanie & Rob seem to have it. No moon’s shadow on earth is not an issue. The alignment was different by a tiny amount which was enough for the moon to ‘eclipse’ the earth from the satellites point of view but not the suns’. The moon would not appear to rotate through this small arc as it passed in front of the earth even as the earth appears to rotate a lot. No stars and a ‘bright spot’ on the earth are all photographic artifacts. Further, at these relative distances and sizes of the objects, the earth should appear ~2.75 times the moon’s diameter…and best I can measure on the picture, it is. No reason for NASA to fake it anyway.
Thanks Stucky
Serenity now.
Dark side of the moon……….
“No moon’s shadow on Earth is not an issue”
No stars and a “bright spot” on the Earth are all photographic artifacts.
NO reason for NASA to fake it. ______allen
Case closed , it’s all good. allen explained it all………not.
Unsure if this will work. It’s an animation of what I meant.
[img]https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/earth-history-topic/earth-title-topic/p/season-simulator[/img]
The page is at:
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/earth-history-topic/earth-title-topic/p/season-simulator
When a website like this that attracts intelligent thinking people has a question like this posed and the comment section disintegrates into a lot of political and religious infighting how can anyone doubt there is going to be a helluva storm brewing. I suspect it will happen suddenly and most won’t be prepared. I’m never in the most category on anything.