- Job quality decreases, more hours have to be worked to get the same effect.
- Unstable households produce unstable students. Education quality begins to suffer.
- Parents don’t want to imagine they are doing a shitty job, they blame the schools.
- Schools lower their academic demands until any fucking idiot can pass.
STEP ONE – Illegal Aliens
Building a wall is stupid and expensive, the only reason its getting so much hype is because flashy and people have short attention spans. Maintenance on that monstrosity would be ball-breaking.
Instead, kill the problem at the root. Corporations already have to supply proof that they are employing US citizens. Now enforce the fucking rule, and slap companies that knowingly employ illegal aliens with massive fines. Much like how foreign banks won’t touch US citizens with a 10 ft pole due to IRS rules, US companies won’t touch illegal labor with a 10 foot pole.
All of a sudden all of those shitty low level jobs that the unskilled or uninspired once held will be open again. Not only that, but you remove a huge drain on the education system.
STEP TWO – Trade Imbalance
Institute tariffs on all overseas goods produced in nations without labor laws comparable to US Federal regulations. Ya know, OSHA and all that shit. Why? Well, right now we are rewarding shitty countries with fat American contracts while we force our companies to fight blindfolded with one hand tied behind their backs. By enforcing some parity between import and American producers, we encourage manufacturing and other jobs to come back home.
A unilateral harsh tariff leads to stagnancy in the private sector, so the trick here is only to punish the countries that are using what amounts to slave labor to complete the jobs. Punishing Japan for building better cars or Germany for building better instrumentation is stupid. We have to have competition or ingenuity dies, but right now we are cutting our own throats with shitty trade policies.
STEP THREE – Educate first
Kill Common Core. Kill Zero Tolerance. Kill No Child Left Behind.
Honestly, there are a large number of countries around the globe with better educational systems than what we have. I’m not going go into depth here.
One requirement: Children (and parents) must be allowed to fail. Compromising quality for feelings got us here in the first place.
STEP FOUR – Student Loans
- Student loans are dischargeable in bankruptcy. – Punish usury, don’t reward it.
- Public colleges must have entrance requirements. You can’t enter without meeting them. Can’t draw loans without meeting them.
- Currently C and D’s get degrees. Doctors have to pass their boards. Chemists have to pass ACS requirements. Engineers have their own certification. Kill the “Cs and Ds” paradigm, and force students to perform or GTFO.
- Increase funding to schools. Removing funding altogether kills US higher education overnight. Giving away free college to everyone who can stand up, see straight, and hear thunder is also a no-go. Increase federal/state funding to schools, but also make it expensive enough that college students have to pay for the stuff. Similar to what it was like from 60s through 80s.
- Forgive TPC’s and his wife’s student loans. Cuz you like him so much. So friendly and shit.
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Best. Article. Today.
Beat your other one by a country mile.
There’s probably something I should be bitching about and I may find something when I read through it again but for now – well done. Amazing what happens when you just let it fucking fly.
Several contributory things from the 1960s and 1970s: Banks no longer loaned for what were once called “starter houses”. Those were typically one- or two-bedroom houses, one batch, carport. A mobile population meant easier resale for a 3/2/2 with attached garage. Ergo, higher costs of housing.
Then add in the ihflation from LBJ’s guns’n’butter, rising faster that incomes. Another factor was the increased “services” of local and state governments, needing higher taxes and fees (and new taxes and fees).
All of that contributed to the need for man and wife to work, with the resulting “latchkey kids”. Add in the school-busing of school integration. At the college level, the decline in curriculum standards as professorial protest against the Vietnam war, helping poor-grade males to stay enrolled and evade the Draft.
That package created an atmosphere to enlarge the Great Society and morph us into a government of polls and feelings rather than one based on law.
With the advent of improved and efficient use of Madison Avenue language in governmental/leftist propaganda, we’ve come down that slippery slope into today’s degraded America.
TPC – are you a union drone? You feeling the Bern, aren’t you? Increase funding to schools you say? Are you out of your fucking mind? Since when has increasing funding to schools EVER worked? I taught you better than this shit.
Forgive student loans? Hmmm. Let me think about that. Let some dickhead go several hundred grand in debt, come out of school, and declare bankruptcy (all college kids are bankrupt) immediately.
Umm, no. Hell fucking no. Talk about a license to commit fraud on a massive scale.
Shut down funding so only the best and hardest-working go to school. Reintroduce trade schools. Perhaps entice business to create apprenticeships.
Re primary and secondary school, there are no fixes until they get the feral little shits under control. Not to mention, trying to teach to the lowest common dnomnator is doomed to fail.
Kids with IQs of 85 or less need to be separated for the good of the other 75% of kids that can actually learn something. Uh-oh, I just been politically incorrect.
The basic problem with education is it actually lacks education. Now everyone wins, no one fails. Failure is a part of life, and teaches an important lesson: what not to do or to do next time. Every successful person has failed at something.
If students are not allowed to fail, they learn nothing.
Education on the public school level is supposed to do this: teach students how to read and write comprehensively, have basic math skills, and usually also teaches subjective subjects like literature and arts. History is also important, but now it’s skewed and all the important things are left out.
What ends up happening is students are lazy, don’t do their homework, and refuse to participate. This attitude is supported by parents who refuse to believe their kids are lazy and lie.
I was a good student, my brother was not. My parents NEVER believed it was the teacher’s fault that my brother was not passing a class. They knew it was up to him to do the assignments, show up prepared, study, and take the tests.
The teacher was not supposed to follow him around and babysit him, constantly send emails home , or make allowances because he wanted to screw off.
That’s the parents job.
Yes, most households have 2 parents working. Both my parents worked. But guess what? They still were home (at least one of them depending on the job) at night, from the hours of 5pm on. What did they do when they got home? Made sure we did our homework. We didn’t get to watch TV, or play games, or talk on the phone (this was before cell phones of course).
When my son was not passing a class, I knew it was his fault, not the teachers. So I had to stay on it, make sure he did the work. Showed up. Participated.
It’s not complicated. When the people who give birth to these kids refuse to believe or live in total denial about what their child is or is not doing, it doesn’t matter how much money the state or the feds throw at them.
More money is just better lipstick on the pig.
Suppose there were no scholarships, grants, or fellowships. Same cost to everyone, but colleges would have to be competitive to ensure enrollment. In the 1970’s I attended a Midwestern college, working summers and 2 on-campus jobs, graduating with no debt. Found out later that over 75% of the students at that school had some form of financial assistance.
Guess that’s why I still pay list price for new cars…
Would like to see our school facilities (high schools) more Spartan and less Taj Mahal in appearance and cost, school uniforms, and more tech offerings. Let the kids learn how to make a real fortune rehabbing rich folk’s homes.
Thanks for the article, taking the risks, and stirring the pot.
The schools are now the dumb leading the dumb and they cannot fix themselves. Vote for Vouchers.,
@LLPOH – Piece by piece! Here we go!
” Increase funding to schools you say? Are you out of your fucking mind? Since when has increasing funding to schools EVER worked? I taught you better than this shit. “
Schools were started and funded for decades on the back of government money. That history is as old as the Trail of Tears.
In fact, during your own hay-day funding of public schools was
“Forgive student loans?” I never said that. Reading comprehension is your friend.
“Let some dickhead go several hundred grand in debt, come out of school, and declare bankruptcy (all college kids are bankrupt) immediately.”
Straw man, get that bullshit out of here, you are better than this. This is no different than subprime auto or liar loans in the mortgage industry. Issuers of bad loan debt deserve to get crushed, not get bailed out by bad legislation.
Reintroduce trade schools. Perhaps entice business to create apprenticeships.
I 100% agree with this part, and there is a rising trend in “trade/tech” school style programs. Thank fucking god.
“Re primary and secondary school, there are no fixes until they get the feral little shits under control. Not to mention, trying to teach to the lowest common dnomnator is doomed to fail.
Fail them, and toss them out. I covered that up above.
“Kids with IQs of 85 or less need to be separated for the good of the other 75% of kids that can actually learn something. Uh-oh, I just been politically incorrect.”
Killing No Child Left Behind would help with this.
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Glad you stopped by, how is Oz treating you? Get savaged by a drop bear yet?
The public schools have enough money. They simply need to do 2 things.
1) Stop teaching things like Afro LesbianPedophilic Normalcy.
2) Stop trying to turn shit into ice cream.
My best friend is a teacher. He told that once he got a new student half way thru the year. This student had spent the previous several months in jail. This guy sat at back of class and was a total disruption. How does someone learn in a class like that? No child left behind turns into no child gets ahead.
I think just letting guys go get their trades when they are 15 or 16 would be a game changer. When I was in school I went from grade 9 to 10 and about 60 kids from that year went to vocational school. They didnt have to learn Shakespeare but no matter those guys didnt want to anyways. Just my two cents.
Chemist- I agree with you on trade schools. This is a MacDaddy example:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-american-dream-remains-within-reach-in-switzerland-2016-03-11
TPC…..anyone that takes their time/effort to put their thoughts out to the world (TBP in this case) is opening up the gates for differing opinions.
1st Rule – don’t get defensive. I’ve found that other opinions MAY have great value.
NOW: I have heartburn with STEP 4 (and it includes more than student loans). I will only speak to one thing – Increase Funding to Schools. The U.S. spends way more per student than any other nation, developed or not, and we stink on the results. Throwing more money at teacher’s pension and healthcare will not improve the minds of the students, and I have family members retired from teaching.
All of the last step refers to college, and currently funding for college from public funds is at an all time low, a directly inverse relationship with the issuance of monumental quantities of student loans.
Needs more executions, but otherwise fine.
TPC, much better. Let’s review. Border wall, great idea. Mexico is going to pay for it, if we want to, we can make them pay to maintain it. I have a big perimeter, and I’m urban. There is about a mile and a quarter of fence that surrounds my property. When you have to defend a perimeter that big, you have to be nasty, or you will be trespassed every day. Our southern border is the same thing. We have to physically protect ourselves. We aren’t doing that. Hence the chaos. A wall would be a game changer. Instantly
#2 trade deficit. Right on the money. #3 fred Reed says this best. We are organizing our entire society around the inability of blacks to compete. Doomed to failure. #4 nothing to add to llpoh.
TPC, I agree with you about the wall. And you were almost there on how to solve the illegals problem. Ending the welfare state, not just the school portion of it, will do far more to rid both the educational system and society at large of the problem.
You did lose me on the ‘more funding for schools’ part though. All they do is build more giant expensive facilities and hire more useless administrators with titles like ‘diversity officer’ and other such nonsense.
And ya, might as well make the student loan debt dischargable in bankruptcy. Only way that can work though is if the government was barred, completely, from ever involving itself in that business again. Otherwise people will just plan on going to school while racking up as much debt as they want and declaring bankruptcy as soon as they graduate. As far as the current student debt the taxpayer would get the tab for were this to happen, guess what? That’s already going to happen anyway for a very simple reason: that which can’t be paid back, won’t be.
I work in education (useless consultant, not a teacher or administrator). A HUGE issue is how we sacrifice the learning of a whole classroom by allowing one or two disruptive students into the class. This could be the violent or disruptive student who never seems to get expelled (fear of lawyers), or more commonly it’s the special education kids who are being mainstreamed but have mental, emotional, or physical problems that cause major disruptions. Get those kids out of the classroom and you’re halfway to a solution.
And yes, career and technical education (or voc ed, or trade schools, etc.) is awesome, a real bright spot though quality of instruction and experience varies widely
TPC, you are on the right track with economic factors playing a big part in the dumbing down of schools and their transformation into daycare for special snowflakes.
If I were dictator, I would take several measures to solve the mess in education. Tackling the economic problems in this country would go a long way to solving many of our social pathologies. I would start by adding on prohibitive tarriffs to any item produced by American firms which had offshored production; they managed to externalize the costs of their parsimony onto the backs of American taxpayers and should not benefit from their screwing of their fellow Americans.
I would also tax the shit out of automation; if a robot can replace a dozen workers who would otherwise be contributing to the economy and tax base, then the firm which replaced it’s employees with robots should receive no economic benefit from it’s decision to do so. Taxes should be assessed on each robot for the number of workers whose labor it has replaced since it has destroyed that many jobs in the process. Robots do not buy cars or clothes or support families, while workers do.
Along with this, I would eliminate the minimum wage. Creating a need for more American workers by striking at the roots of the offshoring/automation drive, would make room for the low-skilled low-value employee in the workforce and reduce the need for support of underemployed-unemployed from the public purse. An increased need for workers of all kinds would eventually support higher pay across the board and ease the strain on households which compel the need for two-wage earner households in the first place.
Which gets back to my point on how to fix education. Create the economic conditions for single wage households, and mothers will return to the home and begin raising their children again. Parents will actually have the time and inclination to start caring and doing something about the quality of the education of their children. When was the last time you heard of a PTA influencing the policies of a school? My own mother was very active on the PTA when I was young precisely because she had the time and energy to do so because it was not economically necessary for her to work outside the home.
Most people can zero in on the symptoms of the problem, but ignore the causes of low quality graduates and substandard schools. Which is precisely what our masters want and why it will never be fixed short of violent revolution to remove the elites who have blocked any attempt to roll back the economic enserfment of the American worker, while actively pursuing measures to further turn us all into modern-age serfs.
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The Moon is an idiot wants to tax automation.
There you have it folks, the single stupidest comment ever posted on TBP, and all the other dumb comments are in very distant second place.
If Moon’s idiocy were in place a hundred years ago, we would all still be farming by hand and dying at age 35.
If his idiocy became law, within a few short years the US would be behind the likes of North Korea and Zimbabwe.
Ban automation? Seriously, it takes a new kind of stupid to come up with that.
TPC – straw man my ass. My comment goes directly to your idiocy re letting students dump loans via bankruptcy.
Students are by definition bankrupt. No jobs, no wealth, no income, but plenty of debt. If they are allowed to dump their loans, they will en masse. Further, no one will lend to them if they can dump student loans in bankruptcy, because they are already bankrupt.
Even the govt will not loan them money in that situation.
Should the loans be curtailed? Hell yes. But no way should they be able to be written off in bankruptcy.
Also, TPC, your comment re school funding was equally idiotic. My point is throwing money at poor performing schools has never worked, but you are so advocating. Of course I know schools need funds. They just do not need more fucking funds. The answer is not more money. Less money, more quality will do it.
The stupid, it Berns.
Gotta say it again: The Moon guy is the dumbest motherfucker to ever post on this site, and that is saying something. Tax automation. Fuck me dead. We would all still be living in trees if he was in charge.
In response to Life Liberty & Pursuit Of Hubris (LLPOH),
Robots buy lots of widgets do they?
Automation has its uses; namely making widgets which are impossible to make by manual processes, but replacing flesh and blood should not be one of them. Automation destroys far more jobs than it creates, and more importantly, it destroys the customer base for the the widgets it is used to produce.
LLPOH claims we would be tilling the fields by hand and dying by 35 if there was no automation. There is a world of difference between using labor saving devices such as tractors and harvesters operated by men, and computerized, GPS guided million dollar autonomous machines operating without human input and priced beyond the range of the family farm, used by mega farms to harvest the latest GMO crops. The products of these robots are further processed in automated factories where they are turned into wholesome frozen and processed industrial food products with a minimum of human input for consumption by economic serfs with what little time they have between working their three part-time service jobs after losing their good paying factory job to robots and third world sweatshop labor in places like southeast asia & Australia.
One must ask who benefits? The multinational, using labor arbitrage to maximize shareholder profits while externalizing the social costs both in lost jobs and wages certainly does. The family farmer, priced out of the business by corporate farms operating multi-million dollar harvesters harvesting thousands of acres certainly doesn’t. And neither do the small communities which used to provide him and his family and many other local families with services and support. All gone with the wind. Social costs externalized and profits sucked up to further line the pockets of the connected with their Third World sweatshops and factories full of robots instead of humans.
But none of this matters to LLPOH; he is still butt-hurt because someone had the gall to suggest that his hubris, arrogance, and disregard of those who are not as wealthy or high-up the economic food chain as himself, might someday result in him winding up like other arrogant and shortsighted elites like Louie and Marie, at the hands of those who take exception to his economic arrogance.
Ilpoh, I must respectfully differ with you on the matter of forgiveness of student loans.
All debt should be considered equal, and student borrowers should have the same access to bankruptcy protection as mortgage, car loan, and credit card borrowers, who can now bankrupt out of massive mortgage deficiencies and major CC debt extended by careless lenders who did not bother to qualify borrowers.
Notice how college debt vastly expanded after the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 was passed. This happened because lenders now had protection against their own malfeasance and greed.
The act should be repealed, and all federal college (and federally backed home-mortgage) lending should be sharply scaled back, with the idea of ending it, and lenders should no longer receive Sallie Mae protection. If you lend $50,000 to morons to major in Transgender Studies and other such bilge, you are on your own. Watch how fast the E-Z college money dries up when lenders have no more government protection. The immediate effect would be a massive curtailment of private lending for college tuition, with the result that most for-profit diploma mills would fold, and legitimate schools would have to drastically change their ways. Perhaps they could reduce their administrative staffs, which have become unbelievably bloated in recent decades, to the levels considered normal in the 70s and before. In the meantime, there would be a steep reduction in the number of young people racking up gigantic bills for degrees in useless, impractical bullshit.
But lenders would lose the lucrative stream of commissions and fees they make from lending tens of thousands of dollars to dolts, made safe for them by Sallie Mae guarantees.. which will no longer be available. And we can’t have THAT, can we?
“…he [Llpoh] is still butt-hurt because someone had the gall to suggest that his hubris, arrogance, and disregard of those who are not as wealthy or high-up the economic food chain as himself, …”
———- The Moon Dude
Jealous much? Sounds to me like you’re the one who is butt-hurt.
step 1 in fixing education: Kill the bullshit idea that it is a right and/or that its the responsibility of govt or anyone other than the parents of that particular person and the person.
anything that doesn’t include that doesn’t address the root cause; that its someone else’s problem/responsibility or that it takes a fucking village.
” All debt should be considered equal, and student borrowers should have the same access to bankruptcy protection as mortgage, car loan, and credit card borrowers.”
——- Chicago999444
Except that it’s not. Some debt is dischargeable under bankruptcy, others are not. You want to change that law.
OK, but then NO student — or very very very few — would ever get a student loan. Mortgage, car loan, and other credit customers have something students generally don’t; JOBS with sufficient income to repay the debt … and a credit history showing they are willing to repay. Students generally have neither. Lending students money is a total crap shoot in terms of repayment … which is why they are not dischargeable.
Your last paragraph is correct. Banks make huge money in loaning money … regardless of the borrower. But, this is not news. It has ALWAYS been that way. Why would a bank lend money in the first place, if not to make gobs of money? Take that option away also, and NO ONE would ever get a loan.
“Automation destroys far more jobs than it creates, …” ——- The Moon dude
I doubt that. People who made ice and delivered it felt the same way when refrigerators were invented.
One BIG reason why HUMANS are taxed is because we use/demand SERVICES; roads, post office, medical care, police security, military security, social security when we get old, and so on. What services does a robot need?? (Besides an occasional lube job …. which, I suspect, you need as well.)
So you would “tax the shit out of automation”. Really? At what rate? It seems even HIGHER than the human being replaced! Pure nuttery.
Let’s say a human bank teller pays $4000 annually in taxes. So, you would want the bank to pay $4000 in taxes for every ATM machine they install? Are you nuts? What would that do to YOU, the consumer? You would pay MORE for everything!” . But, I guess such things don’t play in your brilliant equations.
Stucky,
Butt-hurt?
Not particularly. Unprovoked, ad hominem attacks from a fellow poster while not addressing the substance of the post tells me it is personal.
Some people are just fun to troll.
“Butt-hurt? Not particularly.” ——- The Moon dude
Not particularly?? That is a wishy-washy response. It is not a “No”!! So, you ARE a bit jealous. Admit it, and cleanse your soul.
I DID address the substance of your post.
Stucky,
The issue is robots replace jobs and add nothing in return except to those who own them. Same as slavery benefitting only the slave-owner. The poor rural farmer didn’t benefit from the system of slavery when he had to compete with those who had a free pool of labor to perform the same job.
Paying $4000 in taxes on each ATM is a red herring. The owner would pay $4000 in taxes on a human employee while that same human would in turn spend the entirety of their income on goods and services, thus contributing to the employment of others. ATMs don’t spend any money on goods and services. Banks charged fees before, when there were still actual tellers, and they charge even higher fees now that they have eliminated most of the telllers.
Automation destroys far more jobs than it creates. Hardly
It makes products easier to buy freeing up labour for other pursuits. Like being a Troll on TBP! Don’t worry I’m one of those trolls. I would argue with the devil about what colour to paint the gates of hell. Give me a bottle of Rum and I’d beat him with experience.
Anyways the reason you are not out in a field somewhere Fucking Sheep is because you can sit at desk with your thumb in your ass like me and blather to the world via the interweb.
Really Moon dude!
Using your logic we would be living in a Utopia all we needed to do was skip the Industrial Revolution.
Stucky, students were far better off when nobody got college loans. They didn’t exist before 1970. Before that, you worked in the summers, went to night school part time, or worked at night to pay your day tuition.
You had a very large incentive to study something that was of practical value. Schools somehow managed to keep their tuition at levels prospective bright students could pay. The top private schools were, of course, out of reach for most unless they scored an academic scholarship, but they are still out of reach for all but a tiny economic elite, and always will be. Students were motivated to keep their living expenses as low as possible, and lived in very spartan conditions, either small, shared dorm rooms on long corridors with common bathrooms, or dumpy apartments shared with a group of other students. No luxury residential halls with apartment suites that have their own private kitchens and baths- only the most affluent lived in the few expensive residential halls, which were pretty spartan compared with today’s typical four-star-hotel setup.
The availability of loan money has been the major force in inflating tuition, and in the creation and obscene profitability of for-profit diploma mills. Beyond enriching lenders, said diploma mills, and school administrators who now make salaries that rival those of CEOs of major corporations, no one else has benefited. It has not resulted in a better-educated population, but the rest of us will pay all the same, both in the mis-allocated capital that could have gone to more productive endeavors, and in the taxes we will pay to guarantee the loans that will never, and could never, be paid back.
Chicago999444
Excellent post.
Your description of the way it was … well, that’s exactly my experience. Went to college from 1975-1979. Never borrowed so much as a penny. Sure, I got the G.I. money but, it wasn’t enough. I saved through four years in the Air Force .. and worked all four years while in school. Lived that Spartan life-style. Chose a major I didn’t particularly enjoy (comp sci), but picked it solely based on the probability of getting a good job immediately after graduating.
Why go through all that shit? Because I absolutely knew that nobody would bail my ass out! I would fail or succeed … the choice was entirely on my shoulders. That’s why.
It would be good and right to go back to that model. But, when — in this country — have we ever gone BACK to what once worked? Never? We replace success with failure … and then bitch when things fail!! And the “fix” is even more failure. It’s an insane country.
Stucky,
I wasn’t addressing you; my ire was directed at llpoh. And yes, you did address the substance of my post.
My point regarding automation is this. At the end of the day, someone has to purchase all those wonderful products which are no longer made by human hands. Who will be left to purchase anything and enrich all those owner’s stock values when everything is created by a robot, and every service is provided by a robot?
The vast majority of people will be completely unemployable by then, and they will still have children to feed. Maybe there will also be robot drones and robot soldiers to quell the food riots and protect the .01 percenters?
Chicago
Absolutely agree with what you said. Government guarantees have distorted the business model for Universities for both Students and those that work there. Tide is going out sooner or later. We are going to find out who still has there pants on.
Moon is an idiot. Fellow poster my ass. Trying to ban automation? No computers. No CNC. No tractors. Etc. Idiot.
“ATMs don’t spend any money on goods and services.” ——– Moon dude
Bingo! That’s exactly my point. Soooo, WHY tax the owner of that “robot”?? You do provide an answer. You say because robots “add nothing in return except to those who own them.”
Oh, c’mon man!! What’s wrong with that? You seriously want to penalize a producer of things for the sin of being more efficient?? You really do want to destroy the economy.
Simple example. Let’s say you’re an old-fashioned woodworker … meaning you make all your furniture by hand, like the Amish, without power tools. Because of this old way of doing things, you need two full-time employers. Combined, they pay $10,000 in taxes. One day you realize you can no longer make a living this way. You need power tools. You buy a power sander, drill, saw, and sprayer. Your output increases four-fold, quality increases … and you no longer need those two employees. Now… tell me with a straight face, that you would be OK with having to pay those $10,000 in taxes for employees you no longer have!
Exactly Llpoh
Moon can’t see the paradox in his/her position. In essence just modern day Luddite. Which is fine but Moon wants to sit at a desk, thumb in ass, and still have a warm dinner tonight.
Fix edumacation?
Get government the fuck out.
No gubbermint run schools.
Stucky,
$10,000 in taxes for two employees is a separate problem. I said in my original post I would also eliminate minimum wage laws too. The decision to utilize robots instead of humans should be revenue neutral in my opinion. It should not be used for the purpose of replacing human labor to get out of taxes.
It is the same as a business owner deciding to move his factory out of the country to a low cost jurisdiction while benefitting from continued access to American markets. Yes, he has increased bis profits and reduced his tax burden, but by externalizing the social costs to the rest of American society. This is the model that Walmart employs; they import cheap widgets from Third World sweatshops and destroy American jobs here in America by undercutting the prices. They also pay their employees shit wages such that many are subsidized by the taxpayer to provide the social safety net that their cheap wages do not provide.
I am most definately not a socialist nutcase in the mold of Bernie Sanders; I am an economic nationalist who believes that America needs to look out for the economic interests of it’s citizens first. “Free” trade is most certainly not free of cost to the American worker, and automation plays a big part in that destruction of the society as well.
Blah bla bla blabbidy blah
atta boy Moon!
Stucky,
I appreciate that you can have a reasoned response to my assertions.
One thing that should be considered is that this is the first time in human history where machines can do the work of men and do it better and faster and without rest. Arguably, machines can also do the thinking of men, and also better and faster and without rest. We belong to the first generations that have had to face this issue, and at some point if we continue on this path, hunans risk irrelevence.
Machines have destroyed craftsmanship and pride in work, along with the years of discipline and training to become a master at a particular task. Who has not handled some old hand tool or finely engraved firearm or heard a violin made by a master luthier, and thought “they don’t make them like that anymore”. Whether one wants to admit it or not, there is most definately a social and arguably, a spiritual cost to the increasing employment of machines to do the work and the thinking of man.
Moon here is some free TBP advice from a veteran STM. You have been punked! Go to penalty box and apply creme in generous amounts. You seem to have much too much butt hurt.
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““Forgive student loans?” I never said that. Reading comprehension is your friend.”
Uh, TPC, old shoe, looky here:
“5. Forgive TPC’s and his wife’s student loans. Cuz you like him so much. So friendly and shit.”
You were kidding, but you said it.
I did some reading last night, and I was right in that schools are receiving a smaller portion of their funding from the fed than ever before. I was also right in that “back in the day” when student loans were no longer “a thing” the schools received a gigantic portion of their paycheck from the fed/state.
But the bloat is also very real. Administrative costs, sports costs, and number of degrees offered have all skyrocketed as well. All of these detract from the overall quality of the school and are completely self-serving.
I want to amend STEP FOUR – Item 4, but am not sure how to do it.
Completely removing all state/federal funding does not fix the problem, there is a reason the voices of the past wanted these things available to the public. Without them most of us would not have higher degrees. My poor farm family would still be a poor farm family.
Furthermore, we are all (mostly) in agreement that the “easy” jobs with decent pay for lower skilled people are a thing of the past. Moon wants to outlaw automation, and my guess is that he’s never worked in manufacturing before. Entire facilities and companies are built around their ability to automate.
We can’t take steps back, automation is here to stay. Advocating its removal is akin to pushing Flat Earth theory.
People will need education to make it happen, and state schools are where they will get that education.
I’ll have to review the numbers some more, maybe I’ll toss up an article on “Higher Educational Funding” in the USA. I’m still convinced I can keep that bullet point at a reasonable length.
PS: Primary/Secondary schools have too much funding, too much bullshit. I’ll wholeheartedly agree with that.
“Machines have destroyed craftsmanship and pride in work, along with the years of discipline and training to become a master at a particular task.”
Not so, Moonie. Craftsmanship still exists, and automation is here to stay. The Luddite movement failed spectacularly, and repeats of it will also fail. Handing bureaucrats and politicians the power to fuck with producers is the wrong way to boost employment.
@Ed – Smartass lol
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