No, Donald, America’s Bridges Are Not Falling Down

Guest Post by David Stockman

Madison County’s Bridges To Nowhere And The Perennial Myth Of Crumbling Infrastructure

There is a good reason why Donald Trump’s campaign has been light on policy details. To wit, it seems that every time he gets specific he manages to serve up a steaming pile of hogwash.

So when he told Fox News that he would double-down on Hillary’s $275 billion infrastructure boondoggle, The Donald was right on cue. And in pulling his new $500 billion infrastructure program straight out from under his comb-over, he also demonstrated he has no idea what he is talking about.

Donald Trump on Tuesday proposed a plan to rebuild U.S. infrastructure that costs “at least double” the amount that Hillary Clinton has floated, in what would amount to a massive new government program……“Well, I would say at least double her numbers, and you’re going to really need more than that. We have bridges that are falling down. I don’t know if you’ve seen the warning charts, but we have many, many bridges that are in danger of falling.”

No, Donald, the bridges of America are not falling down and the nation’s infrastructure—-to the extent that it is any business of Imperial Washington at all—-is not “crumbling”. Actually, Washington’s primary job is maintenance of the Interstate Highway System, and that’s in pretty good shape, including its heavily trafficked bridges.

More importantly, if additional investment is needed in the interstate highway grid, then the users should pay for it with a modest increase in the gasoline tax. Or better still, rescind the earmarks which divert upwards of 67% of the existing $45 billion per year of gas tax revenues to state and local roads, mass transit, bike trails, walking paths, weed removal, transportation museums and countless other diversions. In short order the system would be in tip-top shape.

But that’s not the half of Trump’s wild pitch on this one. Having swallowed the infrastructure myth hook, line and sinker, the GOP candidate went a horrid step further and talked up an “infrastructure bank”—–the Democrats’ favorite backdoor route to further ballooning the nation’s already crushing public debt.

Despite insisting that “I’m doing the biggest tax decrease”, Trump saw no sweat at all in coming up with the half trillion dollar price tag for his latest brainstorm:

“We’ll get a fund. We’ll make a phenomenal deal with the low interest rates,” he said. Who would provide the money? “People, investors. People would put money into the fund. The citizens would put money into the fund,” he said, adding that he’d use “infrastructure bonds from the country, from the United States.”

Here’s the thing. Upwards of 95% of what passes for infrastructure investment—-highways, roads, streets, bridges, airports, seaports, mass transit, water and sewer, the power grid, parks and recreation etc—–are the responsibility of the private sector and should be paid for by users or, arguably, constitute local public goods and amenities. The latter should be managed by state and local governments and funded by local users and taxpayers.

But give the beltway lobbies and racketeers an inch and they will take a mile. After decades of Federal mission creep, there is virtually no aspect of “infrastructure” spending that has not wormed its way into the federal budget.

That’s why the nation has $20 trillion of public debt already, but there is also a larger issue. Namely, what’s the point of Federalism—–and some 89,000 units of state, county and local government—-if these taxpayer funded agencies can’t even provide for farebox revenues on local bus routes, maintenance of secondary highways and streets or water and sewer services to local residents?

When all of this gets Federalized on an ad hoc basis, of course, you end up with the worst of all possible worlds. That is, random redistribution of resources among localities, waste and inefficient pork barrel allocation of funding and a centralization of politics where the permanent governing class always wins and working taxpayers are left out in the cold.

Even in the case of just highways, the extent of mission creep and pork barrel politics is stunning. The 47,000 miles of Interstate Highways constitute only 1.1% of the 4 million miles of streets, roads and highways in the entire nation.

Indeed, the reason we have state, county, municipal and township government in the US is precisely to take care of the 99% of road surfaces that the great Dwight D. Eisenhower said should remain a non-Federal responsibility—-even as he pioneered the Interstate highway system and trust fund.

Yet at the present time less than $15 billion or one-third of the Ike’s trust fund receipts go to the Interstate Highway system he fathered. The rest gets auctioned off by the Congressional politicians to state, county and local roads and to the far-flung array of non-highway purposes mentioned above.

Worst still, at the center of this abuse and corruption-ridden Washington infrastructure spending complex is a tissue of myths, exaggerations and lies which provide a veneer of justification for its inherent plunder, waste and unfairness.

That is to say, when the beltway bandits run low on excuses to run-up the national debt they trot out florid tales of crumbling infrastructure, including dilapidated roads, collapsing bridges, failing water and sewer systems, inadequate rail and public transit and the rest.

This is variously alleged to represent a national disgrace, an impediment to economic growth and a sensible opportunity for fiscal “stimulus”. But most especially it presents a swell opportunity for Washington to create millions of “jobs”.

Moreover, according to the Obama Administration’s latest budgetary gimmick—-and one now apparently embraced by The Donald—-this can all be done in a fiscally responsible manner. Yes, that would be via the issuance of “green ink” bonds by a national infrastructure bank, as opposed to the conventional “red ink” bonds by the US Treasury.

The implication, of course, is that borrowings incurred to repair the nation’s allegedly “collapsing” infrastructure would be a form of “self-liquidating” debt. That is, these “infrastructure” projects would eventually pay for themselves in the form of enhanced national economic growth and efficiency.

Needless to say, that’s what the government of Japan has been saying for the last 25 years. With debt at 235% of GDP, in fact, what is being liquidated is the nation’s taxpayers, not its “construction” bonds.

Besides that, the evidence for dilapidated infrastructure is just bogus beltway propaganda. It is cynically peddled by the construction and builder lobbies and by state and local officials looking to fob the bill onto any taxpayers except their own.

Moreover, the infrastructure that actually does qualify for self-liquidating investment is overwhelmingly local in nature—-urban highways, metropolitan water and sewer systems, airports. These should be funded by users fees and levies on local taxpayers—not financed with Washington issued bonds and pork-barreled through its wasteful labyrinth of earmarks and plunder.

And that gets us to The Donald’s crumbling bridges. The truth, however, is that nowhere is the stark distinction between myth and reality more evident than in the case of the so-called deficient and obsolete bridges.

 To hear the K-Street lobbies tell it—-motorist all across American are at risk for plunging into the drink at any time owing to defective bridges. Even Ronald Reagan fell for that one.

During the long trauma of the 1981-1982 recession the Reagan Administration had stoutly resisted the temptation to implement a Keynesian style fiscal stimulus and jobs program–—-notwithstanding an unemployment rate that peaked in double digits.

But within just a few months of the bottom, along came a Republican Secretary of Transportation, Drew Lewis, with a Presidential briefing on the alleged disrepair of the nation’s highways and bridges. The briefing was accompanied by a Cabinet Room full of easels bearing pictures of dilapidated bridges and roads and a plan to dramatically increase highway spending and the gas tax.

Not surprisingly, DOT Secretary Drew Lewis was a former governor and the top GOP fundraiser of the era. So the Cabinet Room was soon figuratively surrounded by a muscular coalition of road builders, construction machinery suppliers, asphalt and concrete vendors, governors, mayors and legislators and the AFL-CIO building trades department.

And if that wasn’t enough, Lewis had also made deals to line up the highway safety and beautification lobby, bicycle enthusiasts and all the motley array of mass transit interest groups.

They were all singing from the same crumbling infrastructure playbook. As Lewis summarized and Donald Trump is apparently now channeling,

“We have highways and bridges that are falling down around our ears—that’s really the thrust of the program.”

The Gipper soon joined the crowd:

“No, we are opposed to wasteful borrow and spend”, he recalled,” that’s how we got into this mess. But these projects are different. Roads and bridges are a proper responsibility of government, and they have already been paid for by the gas tax”.

By the time a pork-laden highway bill was rammed through a lame duck session of Congress in December 1982, Reagan too had bought on to the crumbling infrastructure gambit.

Explaining why he signed the bill, the scourge of Big Government noted,

“We have 23,000 bridges in need of replacement or rehabilitation; 40 percent of our bridges are over 40 years old.”

So here we are 34-years later, and those very same bridges are purportedly still falling down !

But they aren’t. What we are dealing with can best be described as “The Tale of Madison County Bridges to Nowhere”.

And there could not be a more striking example of why Donald Trump is way off the deep-end with his half trillion dollar infrastructure boondoggle; and also why the principle that local users and taxpayers should fund local infrastructure is such a crucial tenet of both fiscal solvency and honest government.

In this context, the crumbling bridges myth starts with the claim by DOT and the industry lobbies that there are 63,000 bridges across the nation that are “structurally deficient”. This suggests that millions of motorists are at risk for a perilous dive into the drink.

But here’s the thing. Roughly one-third or 20,000 of these purportedly hazardous bridges are located in six rural states in America’s mid-section: Iowa, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota.

The fact that these states account for only 5.9% of the nation’s population seems more than a little incongruous but that isn’t even half the puzzle. It seems that these thinly populated town and country states have a grand total of 118,000 bridges.

That is, one bridge for every 160 citizens. Men, women and children included.

And the biggest bridge state among them is, well, yes, Iowa. The state has 3 million souls and nearly 25,000 bridges–—-one for every 125 people.

So suddenly the picture is crystal clear. These are not the kind of bridges that thousands of cars and heavy duty trucks pass over each day. No, they are mainly the kind Clint Eastwood needed a local farm-wife to locate—so he could take pictures for a National Geographic spread on “covered bridges”.

Stated differently, the overwhelming bulk of the 600,000 so-called “bridges” in America are so little used that they are more often crossed by dogs, cows, cats and tractors than they are by passenger motorists.

These country bridges are essentially no different than local playgrounds and municipal parks. They have nothing to do with interstate commerce, GDP growth or national public infrastructure.

If they are structurally “deficient” as measured by DOT engineering standards that is not exactly startling news to the host village, township and county governments which choose not to upgrade them.

So if Iowa is content to live with 5,000 bridges—one in five of its 25,000 bridges— that are deemed structurally deficient by DOT, why is this a national crisis?

Self-evidently, the electorate and officialdom of Iowa do not consider these bridges to be a public safety hazard or something would have been done long ago.

The evidence for that is in another startling “fun fact” about the nation’s bridges. Compared to the 20,000 so-called “structurally deficient” bridges in the six rural states reviewed here, there are also 19,000 such deficient bridges in another group of 35 states–including Texas, Maryland, Massachusetts,  Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, New Jersey and Wisconsin, among others.

But these states have a combined population of 175 million not 19 million as in the six rural states; and more than 600 citizens per bridge, not 125 as in Iowa. Moreover, only 7% of the bridges in these 35 states are considered to be structurally deficient rather than 21% as in Iowa.

So the long and short of it is self-evident: Iowa still has a lot of one-horse bridges and Massachusetts— with 1,300 citizens per “bridge”— does not. None of this is remotely relevant to a purported national infrastructure crisis today—any more than it was in 1982 when even Ronald Reagan fell for “23,000 bridges in need of replacement or rehabilitation”.

Yes, the few thousands of bridges actually used heavily in commerce and passenger transportation in American do fall into disrepair and need periodic reinvestment. But the proof that even this is an overwhelmingly state and local problem is evident in another list maintained by the DOT.

That list would be a rank ordering called “The Most Travelled Structurally Deficient Bridges”. These are the opposite of the covered bridges of Madison County, but even here there is a cautionary tale.

It seems that of the 100 most heavily traveled bridges in the US by rank order, and which were in need of serious repair in 2013, 80% of them are in California!

Moreover, they were overwhelmingly state highway and municipal road and street bridges located in Los Angeles, Orange County and the Inland Empire. Stated differently, Governor Moonbeam has not miraculously solved California endemic fiscal crisis; he’d just neglected the local infrastructure.

There is no obvious reasons why taxpayers in Indiana or North Carolina need to be fixing California’s bridges—so that the latter can continue to finance its outrageously costly public employee pension system.

And so it goes with the rest of the so-called infrastructure slate. There is almost nothing there that is truly national in scope and little that is in a state of crumbling and crisis.

Indeed, the one national asset—the Interstate Highway System—is generally in such good shape that most of the “shovel ready” projects on it during the Obama stimulus turned out to be resurfacing projects that were not yet needed and would have been done in the ordinary course anyway, and the construction of new over-passes for lightly traveled country roads that have happily been dead-ends for decades.

One thing is clear. There is no case for adding to our staggering $20 trillion national debt in order to replace the bridges of Madison county; or to fix state and local highways or build white elephant high speed rail systems; or to relieve air travelers of paying user fees to upgrade local airports or local taxpayers of their obligation to pay fees and taxes to maintain their water and sewer systems.

At the end of the day, the ballyhooed national infrastructure crisis is a beltway racket of the first order. It has been for decades.

And now even The Donald has taken the bait.


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Maggie
Maggie
August 4, 2016 10:13 am

If I go out today (and more and more I’ve discovered there really is very little that will entice me off this land) I will take a picture of the new bridge on our gravel county road. The other one was in disrepair, but it was many years from falling down.

TC
TC
August 4, 2016 10:21 am

I don’t get Stockman’s sudden boner for Trump. I don’t expect Trump to be a fiscal conservative (which we as a nation are obviously incapable of nominating to be President), but I can fucking guarantee you that Trump will be more fiscally conservative than Hillary.

starfcker
starfcker
  TC
August 4, 2016 11:12 am

TC, it’s simple. $$$$$$$$$

Aquapura
Aquapura
August 4, 2016 10:25 am

Normally I enjoy David Stockman’s writings but it seems as of late he’s on the Trump bashing bandwagon. Sure, he makes some good points on debt and such but as someone who saw a bridge (on an Interstate highway) actually fall down in 2007 I’d challenge him on the assertion our infrastructure is in “tip-top” shape. Are all roads, bridges, electrical grid, water supply, etc. the responsibility of the feds? No and nor shall it be, but investment is surely needed across the board. As for Trump, I’ll give him a pass because I trust him 1000x more than Hildabeast to surround himself with smart people that can and will fix a problem. Details? Meh, what political candidate has ever offered details that 1. were realistic or 2. were followed through on?? I’ll take my details 140 character Twitter style.

Tommy
Tommy
August 4, 2016 10:30 am

WTF? The fiat that’s holding up our way of life – the one that will change regardless of who holds the office (fuck that bitch) will be…..should be, the focus of a piece like this. Does Stockman want to really compare lies and exaggerations from that cunt vs. dickhead Don? We’re fucked either way, but maybe with Trump at the controls we can find a nice green lush pasture to crash instead of a rocky ledge at 11,000 ft. Four more months of this shit …….I don’t know if I’ll make it!

Tom
Tom
August 4, 2016 11:04 am

According to the World Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Report the US was ranked the seventh most competitive country in the world. The US benefits from the sheer size of the economy. However, The US ranked 25th in infrastructure. (http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GlobalCompetitivenessReport_2012-13.pdf)

Furthermore, while it is correct that most of the local infrastructure is owned by and the responsibility of local government, according to the Congressional Budget Office 17% of Federal outlays in 2011 was granted to the states with nearly half for Medicaid. Transportation infrastructure falls into the discretionary category while more than 90% of the spending in health is mandatory. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/43967.

Is it possible that Trump will increase funding while simultaneously increasing the governing of how the federal funds must be employed? Can he demand public bids on any contract in which Federal funds are employed? Can he prevent the unions of the major municipalities from sabotaging a grant to non-union construction firms? Gaining knowledge of the process that undermines efficient disbursement of public funds is not difficult. What is difficult is finding solutions a politician that is willing to break all the rules and not cave in to the status quo. Mr. Stockman presents a straw man argument that the roads are locally owned when speaking of infrastructure as a means to critique Trumps statements. Perhaps he should engage his mental acuity to suggest to Trump how the problems associated with our traditional approach can be solved instead of jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon.

Gayle
Gayle
August 4, 2016 11:25 am

This piece reminds me that the complexity of the entanglement of politics, economics, and culture makes it impossible for the average citizen to sort out the truth on any issue, no matter how big or small, and vote intelligently. How many hours of research and analysis would it take for Joe Sixpack to get to the truth on this one issue, one of hundreds that effect his everyday life? All of the bold lying washes over us in a sea of confusion and then the waves of differing perspectives and power plays pull us down. Does it seem we are drowning? Jezebel throws an anvil at us and The Don tosses a gold life preserver that is of dubious buoyancy.

Keep your head up the best you can.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
August 4, 2016 12:17 pm

Mr. Stockman,
The great Commonwealth of KY has gotten so many new bridges in the last five years it is unbelievable including a fabulous bridge across the Ohio from Louisville to southern Indiana that is a site to behold and looks like something futuristic. Also a tunnel system under the Ohio from the KY side to the Indiana side which is equally mind boggling.

Here is a photo of the new Lincoln Bridge and a photo of the tunnels which are under construction but soon to open:

http://www.eastendcrossing.com

Here is a three year time lapse of the construction of the Lincoln bridge (notice the chemtrails in a large (X) at the end)

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2015/11/30/downtown-bridge-expected-named-today/76555566/

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Bea Lever
August 4, 2016 7:42 pm

Still haven’t figured out how to post pics, Beaver?

Here, I’ll do it for ya…

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Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Rise Up
August 4, 2016 8:56 pm

Thanks Riser, if you looked at my link it was a scroll that also showed the tunnels under construction. Damn nice bridge.

larry morris
larry morris
August 4, 2016 12:54 pm

ill still vote for him

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
August 4, 2016 1:23 pm

Trump has 3 main jobs as president:
Keep the Saracens out
Build the Wall on the US-Mexico border
Protect our sovereignty by stopping TPP

If he has to promise some pork to get elected, big fucking deal.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Iska Waran
August 5, 2016 12:13 am

“If he has to promise some pork to get elected, big fucking deal.”

And therein lies a big part of how we arrived where we find ourselves today. With every (s)election comes another exponential avalanche of pork but hey, if that’s what it takes……..!

The really cool part is how they configure some of the pork (SSI, Medicare, welfare etc) to be self perpetuating to infinity. Big fucking deal! Somebody else can pay for it later!

Just sayin’!

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
August 4, 2016 2:46 pm

Mr. Stockman obviously doesn’t live around here.

There are new bridges here and there; a few have been replaced in the last four years or so. There are newly paved / repaved roads, but many more that obviously need it (winter freeze / thaw cycles are hell on concrete). There are opportunities for new water projects (this area is served by winter snowmelt / spring rains, then a long hot dry summer follows typically) and new infrastructure; we’re going to need a few new powerplants when Obama makes the coal-fired ones shut down because he hates coal for some reason. Other infrastructure (power lines, water lines, sewer lines) seems to be fairly good condition, minor / infrequent failures.

But to say the grid is resilient is to lie; to say we are in good shape overall is stretching it. It would not take much of an earthquake to disrupt rail, road and even airline service (can’t land planes on buckled runways). Stockman thinks his area is typical of all areas. Don’t count on it, David; your perspective is just as limited as everyone else’s.

Homer
Homer
August 4, 2016 4:02 pm

No, America’s Bridges Are Not Falling Down! London Bridge IS. I learned that as a kid.

Homer
Homer
August 4, 2016 4:18 pm

The days of government bonds is slowly coming to an end. To be able to borrow everything you need for survival is not tenable. People will choose either the government’s survival or their own and will choose to spend their resources on themselves and not buy gov bonds. Sorry, Donald, it ain’t gonna work this time around.

Hey! What will work tho is Universal Conscription to save the Motherland. Yes! Work Camps. It will be either a bullet or a shovel, you choose. Of course, it didn’t work in Russia or China, so it will probably be tried here. When you’re broke the only thing you have left to give, is your labor. Of course, the elite and rich will be able to buy their way out of ‘forced labor camps’.

IS it coming to a nation near you? Inquiring minds want to know!

P.S. My understanding is that Venezuela is now creating ‘forced labor camps’. YES, the end result of all Socialist paradises. Where everyone is equal. I love it! Equal in their misery! hahaha

Donald, you want to get the country up and running again just get rid of Socialism. If it comes down to working or starving, somehow people get up off the couch and will opt for the working thing.

Tough medicine, but Socialism is a tough disease. Of course, wages will decline because there will be a glut of labor and ‘Supply and Demand’ will determine wages, but prices will decline too. All the inflation created by expanding credit will deflate and we will go back to where prices and wages were before all the inflation started. Wages will stay low until the job market picks up. Which it will.

Rise Up
Rise Up
August 4, 2016 7:43 pm

Stockman is becoming a blowhard. Guess Trump rubbed off on him.

fear & loathing
fear & loathing
August 4, 2016 8:04 pm

homer hit the mark with his comment

rhs jr
rhs jr
August 4, 2016 8:46 pm

I’d rather pay $1,000 more taxes for infrastructure under Trump and have $100 wasted on some Detroit water system than to pay $1,000 under Harpy and have $100 wasted on infrastructure, $100 grants to the FSA, $100 to transport in more Muslim Terrorist and $700 to wind up in the Clinton Foundation.

Phil from Oz
Phil from Oz
August 4, 2016 9:03 pm

Age per se means (almost) nothing to a well designed and constructed bridge. Europe is FULL of Roman Era, and later Mediaeval bridges that, with care and a modicum of attention, still perform their original purpose safely, and in style. The “Original” Iron Bridge still stands, as do the early examples of “modern” bridge construction, such as Brunel’s classics.

With care and attention, these too will last for a VERY long time, possibly far longer than some “modern” examples.

Roman era –
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Mediaeval era –
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The “Original” Iron Bridge (at Ironbridge – where else!) Erected in 1779 by Abraham Darby.
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Brunel’s Tamar Suspension Bridge – 1859
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And – his Clifton (Bristol) Suspension Bridge – completed not long after, in 1864.
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ALL these bridges are still there, and ALL are still in use. So much for the “40 years old so “must” be replaced” fantasy, unless “modern” construction is very severely lacking . . . .

Homer
Homer
  Phil from Oz
August 5, 2016 12:39 am

In the old days, bridges were built to last. In the modern era bridges are built by competitive bid and social engineering. So, you get the cheapest bridge with the cheapest materials. Cheap has the lifespan of the warranty + one day!

javelin
javelin
August 4, 2016 9:59 pm

Beautiful photos Phil–I hazard to guess that none of those bridges does or ever has had 20,000 vibrating and heavy cars and trucks rumbling across a few dozen at a time for 24 hours a day 365 days a year—or is sprayed with coatings of salt and other chemicals eating constantly into its structure……

These pretty areas in rural to mildly populated regions like southern Ill, Kentucky, etc look very nice. However as we have seen from admin–the streets and infrastructures of the major east coast cities are atrocious.
I visited Maine for 10 days on my vacation 2 weeks ago–I recall thinking as I crawled across the GW bridge in NY and under those mammoth buildings/tunnels how every pylon was crumbling, the base littered with concrete scree, cigarette butts and beer caps. Rusted and pitted I-beams on the underside of railroad trellises with cars passing beneath.
In DC the potholes will swallow your car up to the bumper. Tires, abandoned cars and appliances fill vacant lots, yards and even strew public sidewalks throughout neighborhoods. Abandoned and condemned buildings by the hundreds stand forlornly throughout these dying metropolises–without even the money, effort or dignity to knock them down and remove their shame. Many of the sidewalks in our nation’s capital are just broken pieces- more resembling a gravel path. The curbs are just pieces of shaped rocks and no longer even function as curbs or direct water toward an aged and failing water/sewage system.
Even in the wealthy Washington suburbs, nary a week goes by when a water main does not geyser through a major roadway causing stoppages of traffic for newly sprung rivers.
If you dig a little, nationally there are stories from east to west of contaminated water, eroding and outdated levies…bridges never meant to handle the volume of traffic that they see in a month for a yearly projection 40 years ago.
I haven’t even touched on our outdated fail safes for our nuclear plants, the electric grids stuck with antiquated pre-computer technology, interconnected and at risk for cascading failure. Heck, even our military admits that many of our nuclear missile silos still use floppy discs.
So enjoy your new bridges to nowhere, in the meantime, I’ll try and keep my car from getting swallowed by a pothole on 16th street NW or crushed by a piece of falling cement.

GilbertS
GilbertS
August 4, 2016 11:32 pm

OK, Trump shoots off his mouth without all the facts, but I don’t believe our infrastructure is in that good a condition.

I think the states should be responsible for their own infrastructure upkeep, especially since we don’t need to send our money to the fedgov, only to have it sent back with strings attached. And perhaps without the federal money hanging over potential infrastructure, people would be more thoughtful about what they build and where.

And we’ve seen how some states, i.e. Lousiana, are willing to channel that fed money earmarked for infrastructure into teapot museums or back pockets or whatever (Katrina anyone?).

When I drive around, I see a lot of shitty roads. The bridges in my area ARE falling apart.

I was in DC a while ago and their metro is falling apart, too. There was one stop where I actually saw trees growing in the center between the lines underground. That was odd. I guess they get their light from the underground flood lights and their water from the constant stream of water flowing past the high voltage 3rd rail that powers the trains.

Ever drive in SC? Their highways are cratered like the moon.

I95 is a joke these days, too.

And I seem to remember a bridge in Minnesota that collapsed a couple years ago.

Trump might be FOS, but our infrastructure IS crumbling. Maybe not everywhere, but it is happening. And we’re not too good at rebuilding it, either. I watched a bridge rebuild job in my town-widening a highway overpass from 2 lanes to 4 lanes stretch into over a year of construction. It took forever. Every time I passed by, if there WERE construction goons there, there were, like, 20 of them and 19 stood there watching while 1 used a shovel. It was sad, considering those engineering marvels linked above.

Not long ago, I watched a MD DOT crew that had to go back and redo a road several times because they couldn’t paint it right. They kept having to erase and re-paint the fucked up lines. It was funny to see these random, wavy, drunken lines. A drunken blindfolded guy with Parkinsons could have painted a better line.

I think of the I95 beltway around Richmond, which has been a real mess for years.

And now that I think of it, the construction job on the DC beltway. Every time I passed that way for over 15-20 years, I had to deal with a neverending construction job. I was astonished when I passed by a few years ago and that was finished. They’ll probably be “fixing” it soon enough.

yahsure
yahsure
August 5, 2016 5:34 pm

Didn’t Texas have some big road projects and companies from overseas ended up getting the job? There is only so many jobs associated with bridge and highway work. As a truck driver i was amazed at how many years a certain construction zone would exist. And they are usually milked out for all they are worth.Taking years to complete. I admit many roads could use work.Planning ahead by building for the future would be a good idea.I always thought that some kind of electric commuter train on a platform following the interstate in cities was a good idea.