Who Watches the Watchmen?

Guest Post by Eric Peters

It’s one thing to be told you must obey the law. But what being told to obey a cop who is acting contrary to the law?hero lead

This happens routinely – and (usually) without consequences.

For the cop, that is.

Here are a few examples:

In many states, it is still legal to “open carry” – that is, to openly carry a firearm on one’s hip (in a holster) or a rifle slung over one’s back… and so on. That is the law. Cops are supposed to know the law as well as enforce the law.

And, more to the point, to be bound by the law.

Not infrequently, they enforce their own law with regard to open carry.

Many videos of such interactions may be viewed on YouTube and so on. A citizen open-carrying his firearm and doing absolutely nothing contrary to the law finds himself confronted by a threatening/order-barking cop who has no legal authority to do this.

The law is clear. It does not matter.open carry pic

The cop typically begins by demanding ID. Absent probable cause that a crime has been committed or is about to be committed, the cop is already out of legal bounds. The accosted person has every legal right to simply go about his business; to walk away.

God help him if he does so.

The cop’s claim (as an example) that it is “suspicious” to walk around in public with a pistol on one’s hip – or that the sight of this has “alarmed” someone (a Clover) who then called in hysterically to police about it – is irrelevant as far as the law is concerned.

Unless the person was threatening people with his gun (the mere sight of it being openly carried doesn’t qualify) he is acting within the bounds of the law.

And yet, he finds himself being hassled by the law.

Eventually, after much rigamarole, he is “free to go.”

There are no consequences for the cop who – using threats and intimidation – abused a citizen contrary to the law.

Another example, recently detailed in a video posted by Will Grigg and also made infamous by the infamous Sandra Bland case:

A motorists is pulled over by a cop for a minor traffic infraction. The cop is within the law to do this. What happens next is another matter.

In the Grigg video and the Bland case, the cop orders the driver to put out the cigarette they are smoking. He has no legal authority whatsoever to do this. While it may be against the law to smoke in a bar these days, your car is still your car – and smoking a cigarette in your own car is still (for the moment) legal.

And yet, in the Grigg video and the Bland case, the drivers’ assertion to that effect – that is, their refusal to submit to an unlawful order – resulted in extreme belligerence. In the Grigg video, it initiated a dramatic escalation of the traffic stop – a minor speeding ticket (74 MPH in a 65 MPH zone) became  a cuff-and-stuff, with the utterly harmless, not-“resisting” middle-aged white male driver grossly abused by a state-costumed thug, who “placed the man under arrest” – that is, manacled him and carted him off to jail. In the Bland case, the consequences escalated to lethal. In a pique of rage triggered by Bland’s refusal to submit to the state-sanctioned thug’s unlawful order – to his personal order – Bland was violently dragged from her vehicle, wrestled to the ground and then manacled and taken to jail, where she later died under very sketchy circumstances.

Why are there no consequences for cops who act contrary to the law?

Shouldn’t cops know the law?

Be held to the law?

Of course, but that’s not how it plays out.

If a citizen, who finds himself accosted by a cop, dares to assert the actual law – and seek its protections – it not infrequently is taken as a personal challenge to the law enforcer’s prickly “authoritah” – which these days is the real law on the street. Instead of backing down and – heaven forbid, apologizing to the citizen for having over-stepped his legal authority – the affronted enforcer often will escalate.

You know, to show who’s boss.

Why is this not severely punished, particularly when there is incontrovertible video evidence of it. Of a violation of the law?

Think about that.

A person does something blatantly illegal – accosting an open carrier, ordering a person to not smoke in their car, demanding ID of a person standing on their own private property, having done nothing whatsoever contrary to the law themselves – and there are no repercussions.authoritah

And there are no repercussions because the person violating the law is an official enforcer of the law.

These persons are effectively given sanction to abuse us with impunity, because the law does not apply to them.

Same goes for “speeding” (which they do – and get away with – routinely). Their exemption from “buckle up ” and “distracted” driving statutes.

And they wonder why they are hated by so many.

No matter where you stand on the political-philosophical spectrum, from “law and order” Republican to no harm, no crime Libertarian, all can agree – hopefully – that at bare minimum, the enforcers of the law ought to know the law – and be bound by the law. Just as we are.

Is it too much to ask?

Really?


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Anonymous
Anonymous
August 13, 2016 8:53 am

The only solution to this is lawsuits against the individual officers, for a restraining order to prevent it occurring again or for damages if he acted under color of law and actually tried to arrest, threaten or intimidate you with arrest if he did that.

Legally, it would be no different than if he were stopping and harassing your for wearing a Trump shirt that someone felt threatened by or a Christian carrying the Gospel message near a public school or park (which is something that is actually going on on a fairly regular basis).

kokoda
kokoda
August 13, 2016 9:35 am

“You know, to show who’s boss.”

The actual law doesn’t matter – ego will shoot you in the back.

Ed
Ed
August 13, 2016 9:39 am

Anarchyst will post his essay on this in 3,2,1,…..

kokoda
kokoda
  Ed
August 13, 2016 10:14 am

But it is a very good list and would solve the problem.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
August 13, 2016 10:10 am

To many laws by local legislators violate the bill of rights and local law enforcement personal become the minions of these legislators . Now couple that with combat ready equipment supplied with HOME LAND SECURITY MONEY and you got your self a paramilitary force with an intercontinental ballistic Winnebago crisis command center bullet proof gun ports and automatic weapons all in the hands of Deputy Barney Fife who barley got thru the academy after high school . But he was just doing his job . Catch you on the flip side Barney at Nuremberg where just following orders or doing your job is a piss poor excuse !

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
August 13, 2016 11:28 am

I’m expecting the first case of “cop stops man who kills him and claims fear of execution” defense any day now, if it hasn’t already happened. If the public adopts “don’t go quietly” as an operating procedure, the “thin blue line” will quickly become non-existent.
I’m not rooting for this, by the way; cops take child molesters, thieves, dope dealers, rapists and similar human waste off the streets every day. But if YOU (cops) adopt “every interaction could get you killed, so be pre-emptively violent” as a philosophy, how long until the public does? Or just avoids police entirely to escape death?
Bad training, bad ideas, bad tactics: gotta reverse it before it becomes a spiral.

Veritas
Veritas
August 13, 2016 12:52 pm

More cop hating. Gee going 74 in a 65 mph zone is not a slight infraction. If the cop was out of bounds it really is stupid to escalate the situation, but stupid is as stupid does. Bet the author regularly baited junkyard dogs because he had the law on his side.

Ed
Ed
  Veritas
August 13, 2016 1:36 pm

Fuck you, veritas. Suck a cop’s dick. Kiss my ass. Eat a bag of shit. Fuck off and die.

Love,
Ed

kokoda
kokoda
  Veritas
August 13, 2016 1:36 pm

Veritas….the above post and follow-on comments do not represent cop-hating. The info supplied reflects reality which is clearly evident if you follow the internet. Cops use deadly-force as a first response. Cops shoot citizens in the back (cowards) that do not have a weapon and thus do not represent any danger to the cop.

AND, I’ve asked law enforcement: Where are the good cops. If they represent the majority, why don’t they do something to stop the bad cops. Where are the good cops?

Maggie
Maggie
  Administrator
August 13, 2016 1:49 pm

I HATE that MF’er, Admin. I do NOT get road rage or lose my temper when I see some old senile Fuck who should NOT be driving doing this sort of thing, but when I see some middle aged housefrau in a suit putting along blocking traffice I want to force her off the road and bitchslap her.

I DON’T do it, but I want to.

starfcker
starfcker
  Veritas
August 14, 2016 3:41 am

I totally agree with you, veritas. Open carry people are basically scumbags. That cop was just a guy doing a job, answering a call he got sent on. Open carry laws were meant so rural people could go about there business. You can’t apply it to urban settings. So every gangbanger can walk the street with his AK? The people in the video should be ashamed of themselves. Pure scum. Looking for trouble.

Maggie
Maggie
August 13, 2016 1:45 pm

Good cops are a myth, like Good Fairies.

larry morris
larry morris
August 13, 2016 1:51 pm

they give a iq test fail hired

Rdawg
Rdawg
  larry morris
August 13, 2016 2:35 pm

IQ tests aren’t pass/fail.

General
General
August 13, 2016 6:07 pm

When the cops kill unarmed people, who are no threat to anyone, it gets noticed. Citizens have occasionally shot cops. Right now it’s just a trickle. But if the cops don’t take responsibility for themselves, it will eventually be a flood. While I am not condoning it, I understand it.

For example, I know of two cases of unarmed people in my city, who were killed by cops. One was a raid on an apartment for the tenant selling marijuana. (Medical marijuana is legal in my state BTW.). And the other was of a veteran with PTSD.

indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
August 13, 2016 8:21 pm

I have frie nds who are cops, ex cops, fbi, us marshals. Great guys. But laws are for other people. Not them. They regularly do what ever the fuck they want, laws be damned. No harm no foul. They become, libertarian.